IRC log for #koha, 2007-07-22

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Time	Nick	Message
13:05	thd`	kados?
13:05	dewey	kados is just a bit tied up
15:58	kados	hiya thd
15:58	thd	hello kados
15:59	thd	so you are inviting me to break head by suggesting new columns now rather than later?
16:00	kados	:-)
16:00	kados	well, weve discussed adding columns to the framework, but I haven't seen a list yet
16:01	kados	I know indicators is one area we could improve in
16:01	thd	kados: given your statement about some code which breaks on reading would that not unnecessarily delay the release?
16:02	thd	kados: the list should obviously start with something for indicator positions similar to what is present for subfields
16:04	kados	right
16:05	thd	kados: should improved support for indicators go where indicators are treated now in the table for the field generally or should they have their own table like subfields?
16:06	thd	kados: adding a new table could not break anything
16:08	thd	kados: are you there?
16:11	kados	yep
16:14	thd	kados: would a new table for adding better support for indicators be necessarily better because it would not break any existing code?
16:16	kados	hmmm
16:16	kados	possibly
16:18	thd	kados: you hesitate?
16:18	kados	no, just haven't thought about it much
16:18	kados	and ... I'm not really a database designer :-)
16:18	kados	so I'm not really the one to ask
16:18	kados	:-)
16:19	thd	kados: just to be clear than the fields and current limited indicator support is defined in one table
16:20	thd	subfields are defined in another
16:20	thd	s/ than/,/
16:22	thd	I will think about my suggestions from a year ago and propose something tomorrow
16:22	thd	kados: I have a couple of other questions
16:22	kados	sure
16:24	thd	kados: I made an extra column version of the the simple frameworks representing various media types but I have been unable to add it to the misc directrory in HEAD
16:25	thd	kados: I have been able to add new files in the past. Have the permissions changed?
16:27	kados	hmmm
16:27	kados	did you do a cvs add?
16:27	kados	cvs add filename
16:27	kados	cvs commit filename
16:28	thd	yes
16:29	thd	kados: the only thing which I did not do was to try adding again while logging the response
16:30	kados	permissions haven't changed
16:30	kados	(can't do that in CVS anyway)
16:31	thd	:)
16:35	thd	kados: I used: cvs -z3 -d thdcvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/sources/koha add marc21_simple_bib_frameworks.sql
16:35	thd	this command was issued from my HEAD checkout directory
16:35	thd	kados: what was wrong with that syntax?
16:36	kados	nothing
16:36	kados	did you add your ssh key to savannah?
16:36	kados	ahh, hang on
16:37	kados	you need:
16:37	kados	cvs -z3 -d ext:thdcvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/sources/koha add marc21_simple_bib_frameworks.sql
16:37	kados	missing the type ext:
16:37	thd	kados: is that something new?
16:38	kados	nope
16:39	thd	kados: when I added that file to rel_2_2 a year ago I did not use that syntax
16:43	thd	kados: my other question is have you seen http://demo.openlibrary.org ?
16:43	kados	yep, I've seen it
16:44	thd	kados: have you looked at how their data is populated and their XML schema?
16:45	kados	not yet
16:47	thd	kados: their XML schema is simpler than Dublin Core
16:48	thd	kados: Karen Coyle has advised them but apparently they have not paid much attention because their XML fields which are populated by LC records do not even have more than one author and many other problems
16:49	thd	s/by/from/
16:50	thd	kados: Koha is a few orders of magnitude better than what they have
16:50	kados	nod
16:51	thd	kados: yet they have the backing of people with real money
16:51	kados	thd: where is the data model defined?
16:53	thd	kados: obviously they have it in the source code which is available under the AGPL 3 license which is still only a first draft with one fatal bug at FSF.
17:00	thd	kados: Karen Coyle's notes on the schema are at http://www.kcoyle.net/temp/PharosSchema .
17:00	kados	heh, they licensed it under a draft of a license?
17:00	kados	that's mental!
17:00	thd	:0
17:00	kados	that link doesn't work for me
17:01	thd	http://www.kcoyle.net/temp/PharosSchema+kc.html
17:03	thd	kados: what they are actually using now is even simpler and anyone can edit the whole record wiki style by just choosing edit or whatever the function is on a record
21:34	thd	kados: are you there?
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