| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 13:58 |
|
paul |
kados around ? |
| 06:56 |
|
paul |
et hop, une nouvelle version de Koha publiée... |
| 06:56 |
|
paul |
2.2.8 |
| 07:07 |
|
kados |
paul++ |
| 07:07 |
|
kados |
paul: were modifs made to 2.2.8 that aren't in rel_2_2? |
| 07:07 |
|
paul |
hi kados |
| 07:07 |
|
paul |
no, unless i'm silly |
| 07:07 |
|
kados |
paul: congratulations on the new member of the family :-) |
| 07:08 |
|
paul |
thanks. |
| 07:08 |
|
kados |
paul: is Mathew (spelling?) home now? |
| 07:08 |
|
paul |
Matthieu in french? |
| 07:08 |
|
kados |
thx |
| 07:08 |
|
paul |
and yes, he's at home : they were back 3 days after the birth |
| 07:08 |
|
kados |
great |
| 07:08 |
|
kados |
so all the kids have been cooing over him I'm sure :-) |
| 07:08 |
|
paul |
not so great : a little bit too early according to sandrine... |
| 07:09 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 07:09 |
|
paul |
the nice things is that's it holiday for childrens last week and this one |
| 07:09 |
|
paul |
so we have everybody home. |
| 07:09 |
|
kados |
very nice |
| 07:09 |
|
paul |
fortunatly, sandrine mother is here for those 2 weeks. |
| 07:10 |
|
paul |
that's why I can work ;-) |
| 07:10 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 07:10 |
|
paul |
do you (LL) have something to commit on rel_3_0 ? |
| 07:11 |
|
paul |
did you see my question on koha-devel, about the move to HEAD ? |
| 07:11 |
|
kados |
yes, I did |
| 07:11 |
|
kados |
and it's a great idea |
| 07:11 |
|
paul |
(/me posted a lot of things on koha-devel yesterday...) |
| 07:11 |
|
kados |
we have some testing results |
| 07:11 |
|
kados |
but nothing is ready to commit yet besides what we already committed |
| 07:11 |
|
kados |
so feel free to move it |
| 07:12 |
|
paul |
OK, i'll do it tomorrow I think |
| 07:12 |
|
kados |
paul++ |
| 07:12 |
|
paul |
something to look at :http://o9.bureau.paulpoulain.com/ui/main.xul |
| 07:12 |
|
paul |
OpenCataloger v0.2 ;-) |
| 07:12 |
|
kados |
wow, nice |
| 07:12 |
|
kados |
wow, very nice :-) |
| 07:13 |
|
paul |
(encoding problem + save does not work. otherwise, it should work at least enough to be considered as beta stage) |
| 07:13 |
|
paul |
about 3.0 : are you happy with the tests you did ? |
| 07:13 |
|
paul |
(the result of the tests ;-) ) |
| 07:13 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 07:13 |
|
kados |
some things we are very happy about |
| 07:14 |
|
kados |
others may need some tweaks |
| 07:14 |
|
paul |
only "tweaks" ? it's a very good news... |
| 07:14 |
|
kados |
there are two major problems with rel_3_0 for our customers |
| 07:14 |
|
kados |
1. NZ customers want de-duplicated records like Koha 1.0 |
| 07:15 |
|
paul |
de-duplicated ? |
| 07:15 |
|
kados |
2. US customers need item-level circulation rules |
| 07:15 |
|
kados |
meaning biblio, biblioitem, item |
| 07:15 |
|
kados |
(point 1) |
| 07:15 |
|
paul |
ah, ok. this is a very very large problem i'm afraid. |
| 07:15 |
|
paul |
and, to say the truth, I don't know how to achieve this... |
| 07:15 |
|
kados |
I think point #1 will have to wait for the metarecord |
| 07:15 |
|
paul |
point 2 will be from far easier... |
| 07:16 |
|
paul |
kados: ++ |
| 07:16 |
|
kados |
so hopefully it's an add-on for 3.2 or something |
| 07:16 |
|
kados |
but point #2 is critical for US customers |
| 07:16 |
|
paul |
do you know how to solve it ? |
| 07:16 |
|
kados |
and it's the first thing chris will be working on April 1 |
| 07:16 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 07:16 |
|
paul |
(i have ideas) |
| 07:17 |
|
kados |
we have a poor solution for dev_week |
| 07:17 |
|
kados |
I would prefer a better implementation for 3.0 |
| 07:17 |
|
paul |
- issuing rules can be defined for itemtypes + freely (for each borrower category) |
| 07:18 |
|
paul |
- default issuing rules for an item is the actual itemtype depending rule |
| 07:18 |
|
paul |
- a new field (items.specificissuingrule) can be attached to any item |
| 07:18 |
|
paul |
thus, libraries that don't need item level issuing rules have nothing to do |
| 07:18 |
|
paul |
and libraries that want just have to activate the "specificissuingrule" field in MARC editor. |
| 07:18 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
| 07:19 |
|
kados |
that doesn't quite capture the expectation in the US i think |
| 07:19 |
|
paul |
(the last question being where do we store the specificissuingrule in MARC...) |
| 07:19 |
|
paul |
what does they expect ? |
| 07:19 |
|
kados |
I think in the US they expect to have 'circulationcode' at the item level |
| 07:19 |
|
kados |
so you have a biblio: |
| 07:19 |
|
kados |
Harry Potter |
| 07:20 |
|
kados |
with itemtype at the record level that says 'material type', maybe 'content' and 'audience' |
| 07:20 |
|
kados |
then, at the item level you have a circulation code that says 'rules for circ' |
| 07:20 |
|
kados |
this is how 99% of US ILSes work |
| 07:21 |
|
kados |
and it's been a big problem for NPL since they switched to Koha |
| 07:21 |
|
paul |
yes, that's what i propose (or I missed something...) |
| 07:21 |
|
kados |
esp since they want to have 1 biblio that has circulating and reference records attached |
| 07:22 |
|
kados |
but I think we need a new matrix |
| 07:22 |
|
kados |
besides itemtype one |
| 07:22 |
|
paul |
yep, that's what I meaned for : issuing rules can be defined for itemtypes + freely (for each borrower category) |
| 07:22 |
|
kados |
what do you mean by 'freely' |
| 07:23 |
|
paul |
I think having a biblio-level issuing rule is still interesting for simplicity. |
| 07:23 |
|
kados |
sure |
| 07:23 |
|
paul |
having a itemlevel issuing rule is interesting for completness |
| 07:23 |
|
paul |
thus, having both is interesting... |
| 07:23 |
|
kados |
right |
| 07:24 |
|
paul |
if an issuing rule is defined for a given itemtype => it applies by default for every item |
| 07:24 |
|
kados |
so will they both use itemtypes table? or will we create a new table for circcodes? |
| 07:24 |
|
paul |
we will create a new table. that CAN contain itemtype codes |
| 07:26 |
|
kados |
it can contain itemtype codes? |
| 07:26 |
|
kados |
why not contain only its own codes? |
| 07:27 |
|
kados |
I think the typical expectation is that itemtypes are for searching and ccodes are for circ (noone will want to search by ccode) |
| 07:27 |
|
paul |
To keep the possibility to have itemtype level issuing rules |
| 07:28 |
|
paul |
(on phone) |
| 07:30 |
|
kados |
paul: http://kados.org/stuff/ccodes_itemtypes.sql |
| 07:30 |
|
kados |
paul: is that what you mean to have? |
| 07:44 |
|
paul |
kados : back. |
| 07:45 |
|
paul |
what i'm thinking could be : |
| 07:45 |
|
paul |
issuingrules table : |
| 07:45 |
|
paul |
- issuingcode char(10) |
| 07:45 |
|
paul |
- borrowercategory char(10) |
| 07:45 |
|
paul |
- days int |
| 07:45 |
|
paul |
- quantity int |
| 07:45 |
|
paul |
in the issuingprocess : |
| 07:45 |
|
chris |
i think we need lower than days paul |
| 07:46 |
|
paul |
hi chris. ok for hours if you prefer ;-) |
| 07:46 |
|
paul |
in items table a new row : issuingrule |
| 07:46 |
|
chris |
yeah i think lots of academic libraries do hourly periods |
| 07:46 |
|
paul |
during issuing process : |
| 07:46 |
|
kados |
yep, good point chris |
| 07:47 |
|
paul |
- is there an items.issuingrule ? |
| 07:47 |
|
paul |
yes => OK, get it |
| 07:47 |
|
paul |
no => is there a issuincode = itemtype of this item ? |
| 07:47 |
|
paul |
yes => use is |
| 07:47 |
|
paul |
s/is/it/ |
| 07:47 |
|
paul |
no => we have a problem, impossible to know what to do |
| 07:47 |
|
paul |
does that sound more clear ? |
| 07:48 |
|
paul |
that would change strictly nothing for actual behaviour |
| 07:48 |
|
paul |
and add an item level behaviour |
| 07:49 |
|
kados |
so both biblioitems.itemtype and items.issuingrule would use itemtypes table? |
| 07:49 |
|
kados |
for values I mean |
| 07:49 |
|
kados |
? |
| 07:50 |
|
paul |
no, items.issuingrules would use only issuingrules.issuingcode |
| 07:51 |
|
paul |
the issuingrules.issuingcode field contains any value (itemtype or not. actually it's only itemtype) |
| 07:51 |
|
paul |
if the issuincode = itemtype => it's an itemtype level rule |
| 07:51 |
|
paul |
otherwise => it's an item level rule |
| 07:52 |
|
chris |
well its nearly midnight here, and ill need to wake up again in a few hours to feed kahurangi, so i might head to bed |
| 07:53 |
|
chris |
ill read the log in the morning |
| 07:53 |
|
paul |
the item level rule having priority to itemlevel |
| 07:53 |
|
chris |
cya's |
| 07:53 |
|
paul |
the item level rule having priority to itemtype |
| 07:53 |
|
paul |
cya's |
| 07:53 |
|
kados |
chris: night |
| 07:53 |
|
paul |
good night |
| 07:53 |
|
kados |
paul: I will give it some thought |
| 07:53 |
|
kados |
paul: perhaps we can discuss it again soon |
| 07:53 |
|
paul |
ok |
| 07:54 |
|
paul |
good night too |
| 07:54 |
|
kados |
g'night |
