| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 13:44 |
|
kados |
owen: wow, you've been busy |
| 13:44 |
|
kados |
owen: looking pretty web 2.0 :-) |
| 13:44 |
|
owen |
Just playing around. |
| 13:45 |
|
owen |
I haven't tested yet in anything other than Firefox |
| 13:45 |
|
kados |
right |
| 13:45 |
|
kados |
seems like the facets have changed since yesterday |
| 13:45 |
|
kados |
did you not like the underlined links for them? |
| 13:46 |
|
owen |
I think it was the opac stylesheet switch. I need to go back in and pick up the changes from yesterday |
| 13:46 |
|
kados |
also ... talked to james and tina today ... and neither of them even noticed the search bar that stays resident on the top of the page |
| 13:47 |
|
owen |
:D |
| 13:47 |
|
kados |
I don't know if that's just because they're librarians .... |
| 13:47 |
|
kados |
or whether it's because it's not a focal point of the page |
| 13:47 |
|
owen |
Do you mean just in the new design, or all along? |
| 13:47 |
|
kados |
all along :-) |
| 13:48 |
|
kados |
amazon does a nice job of framing out the search bar within the header |
| 13:48 |
|
kados |
I _think_ at least that it's a focal point |
| 13:48 |
|
kados |
design is bullocks :-) |
| 13:49 |
|
kados |
as many opinions as people :-) |
| 13:49 |
|
kados |
but just thought you might be interested |
| 13:50 |
|
owen |
Then again, I still wonder how people can /not/ use the tab key to go from the username to the password form field! |
| 13:51 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 13:51 |
|
kados |
yea, it really is surprising |
| 13:52 |
|
kados |
I should tell you ... |
| 13:52 |
|
kados |
I'm going to be hiring a prof in texas to do a usability study on the new OPAC |
| 13:53 |
|
kados |
sometime in Sept |
| 13:53 |
|
owen |
Wow, that's cool |
| 13:53 |
|
kados |
she teaches a couple classes at UofT |
| 13:53 |
|
kados |
one is on 'Integrated Library Systems' |
| 13:54 |
|
kados |
and LibLime has set up a bunch of koha installs for her students to learn on :-) |
| 13:54 |
|
kados |
ie, they have to set up a virtual library, etc. |
| 13:54 |
|
kados |
the other class is on usability |
| 13:54 |
|
kados |
and she's gonna use the Koha OPAC as the classes project |
| 13:54 |
|
kados |
so we'll get some pretty nice data from that |
| 13:54 |
|
kados |
and ... |
| 13:55 |
|
kados |
we're planning to co-author an article on OPAC usability |
| 13:55 |
|
kados |
which will also include some info on relavance ranking |
| 13:55 |
|
owen |
Very cool |
| 13:55 |
|
kados |
yea, it should be good |
| 13:56 |
|
kados |
so your work will be under the microscope soon :-) |
| 13:57 |
|
kados |
I'd like to take her recommendations from the study, and incorporate them into the next version |
| 13:57 |
|
kados |
s/like to/plan to/ |
| 14:01 |
|
owen |
If there's any way I can contribute to the process let me know |
| 14:01 |
|
kados |
definitely |
| 14:02 |
|
kados |
I was figuring that probably the class would just be evaluating whatever dev_week ends up looking like when NPL goes live |
| 14:02 |
|
kados |
dev_week OPAC I mean |
| 14:02 |
|
owen |
right |
| 14:02 |
|
kados |
might as well use the new OPAC |
| 14:05 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 14:05 |
|
kados |
I'm tellin ya ... can't beat a macbook :-) |
| 14:06 |
|
kados |
osx, windows, and linux |
| 14:06 |
|
kados |
I reformatted my hd again, no more native windows or linux partitions |
| 14:06 |
|
kados |
the parallels software runs so well ... |
| 14:06 |
|
kados |
I can run them all within OSX and don't need to reboot to use them now |
| 14:34 |
|
Burgwork |
kados, you headed to LWESF? |
| 14:35 |
|
kados |
Burgwork: what's that? |
| 14:37 |
|
Burgwork |
kados, linuxworld san fran |
| 14:37 |
|
kados |
nope |
| 14:38 |
|
Burgwork |
too bad |
| 14:41 |
|
hdl |
owen : are you playing web 2.0 ? |
| 14:41 |
|
kados |
hdl: owen is :-) |
| 14:41 |
|
owen |
I'm all about the gradients, baby! |
| 14:41 |
|
hdl |
can you show me some of your games ? |
| 14:41 |
|
kados |
owen: yea, they rock :-) |
| 14:41 |
|
hdl |
is it in zoompoac ? |
| 14:42 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 14:42 |
|
owen |
Actually, right now I'm trying to evaluate some alternative CSS layouts for use in the OPAC |
| 14:42 |
|
kados |
hdl: it's been shifting quite a bit today |
| 14:42 |
|
owen |
Trying to decide how I feel about CSS hacks... |
| 14:42 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 14:42 |
|
kados |
which ones? |
| 14:42 |
|
kados |
are we in quirks mode? |
| 14:43 |
|
owen |
Have you seen this article? http://www.positioniseverythin[…]es/onetruelayout/ |
| 14:43 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 14:43 |
|
kados |
I was actually gonna point you to it |
| 14:43 |
|
owen |
It's a very flexible layout system, but it seems to use just about every hack imaginable. |
| 14:43 |
|
kados |
a few weeks back |
| 14:43 |
|
kados |
but I forgot |
| 14:43 |
|
kados |
yea, it's pretty nice |
| 14:44 |
|
owen |
The original NPL OPAC template is pretty loose, in part because I avoided hacks in favor of letting things shift around a little bit in different browsers |
| 14:44 |
|
owen |
But if we want to tighten things up... |
| 14:44 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 14:45 |
|
kados |
there's also the yahoo stuff |
| 14:45 |
|
kados |
which is pretty much airtight |
| 14:45 |
|
kados |
some really nice stuff in there |
| 14:45 |
|
owen |
...but oriented towards fixed layouts, as I recall |
| 14:45 |
|
kados |
if anyone had the time to learn how to use it |
| 14:45 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 14:45 |
|
hdl |
oho : refine your serach loses your previous search. |
| 14:45 |
|
kados |
definitely not liquid |
| 14:45 |
|
kados |
hdl: yep |
| 14:45 |
|
kados |
hdl: I'm re-writing the facets again :-) |
| 14:46 |
|
hdl |
oh. |
| 14:46 |
|
kados |
hdl: what took about 100 lines I'm gonna do in about 10 |
| 14:46 |
|
kados |
owen: that's fine ... |
| 14:46 |
|
kados |
I dont' have a strong opinion on the liquid vs fixed |
| 14:46 |
|
kados |
I've seen good designs with both |
| 14:47 |
|
hdl |
Congratulations. |
| 14:47 |
|
kados |
hdl: plus as I did it before it was too proc intensive |
| 14:47 |
|
kados |
hdl: the new way is much cleaner |
| 14:47 |
|
hdl |
I've seen some rss features. |
| 14:47 |
|
hdl |
Cool. |
| 14:47 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 14:48 |
|
hdl |
Is this devweek ? |
| 14:48 |
|
kados |
yes |
| 14:48 |
|
kados |
but the rss isn't committed yet |
| 14:48 |
|
kados |
it's an opensearch->z3950 proxy |
| 14:48 |
|
kados |
not strictly part of Koha, but a side project of LibLime's |
| 14:48 |
|
hdl |
Impressive. |
| 14:48 |
|
kados |
when I get a chance I'll release it |
| 14:50 |
|
chris |
i need to finish my rss feed for items on issue too, and commit that |
| 14:50 |
|
kados |
that'd be sweet |
| 14:50 |
|
kados |
3.0'll have reviews too, right? |
| 14:52 |
|
chris |
yep, reviews are committed to head already |
| 14:53 |
|
chris |
but now i must go to tech meeting |
| 15:39 |
|
kados |
owen: you around? |
| 15:39 |
|
kados |
owen: just finished the new facets builder |
| 15:39 |
|
kados |
owen: wanted to update the template |
| 15:39 |
|
kados |
owen: any objection to me hacking on navigation.inc for a bit? |
| 15:45 |
|
owen |
Go ahead |
| 15:56 |
|
owen |
kados: I'm heading out. I'll read you in the morning. |
| 15:56 |
|
kados |
sounds good |
| 15:56 |
|
kados |
have a good evening |
| 16:10 |
|
kados |
heh ... facets are now done in 35 lines |
| 16:10 |
|
kados |
woot |
| 16:10 |
|
kados |
still some cleanup to do |
| 16:10 |
|
kados |
but first, coffee :-) |
| 16:15 |
|
thd |
kados: are you back from coffee? |
| 16:15 |
|
kados |
yes |
| 16:16 |
|
kados |
thd: you'll be glad to know I laid the groundworks for fully extensible facets |
| 16:22 |
|
thd |
kados: does that mean that you have the groundworks for http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]isions_access_pt1 ? |
| 16:23 |
|
thd |
kados: not that I finished that document. |
| 16:24 |
|
thd |
kados: I worked on making the wiki CSS like the koha,org CSS before switching to frameworks. |
| 16:25 |
|
thd |
a modest task because it has to match the class attribute usage from the wiki |
| 16:26 |
|
thd |
kados: are you still there? |
| 16:42 |
|
thd |
kados: the major point about meta-record indexing is that it should be so efficient if it can be that Karen Coyle who knows and cares much about library system efficiency would say that Koha is using some efficient principles. |
| 16:44 |
|
thd |
kados: I want to ask her ideas about meta-record design as well because she has some and build what tumer proposed 28 years ago without XML. |
| 16:44 |
|
thd |
s/build/built/ |
| 16:47 |
|
johnb |
Good evening everyone! |
| 16:47 |
|
kados |
thd: i agree |
| 16:47 |
|
kados |
hi jon |
| 16:47 |
|
kados |
johnb even :-) |
| 16:47 |
|
kados |
johnb: how's things? |
| 16:47 |
|
johnb |
Good evening everyone |
| 16:48 |
|
johnb |
I have done a rough rough draft for a foundation |
| 16:49 |
|
kados |
cool! |
| 16:49 |
|
johnb |
It is posted under http://www.meadvillelibrary.org/director and is entiled a Modest Proposal |
| 16:49 |
|
kados |
I'll have a look john |
| 16:49 |
|
johnb |
I will try to get the comments working tomorrow so everyone can contribute |
| 16:50 |
|
kados |
johnb: I've got a name recommendation |
| 16:50 |
|
kados |
johnb: the Open Source Library Consortium |
| 16:50 |
|
kados |
johnb: OSLC ;-) |
| 16:50 |
|
kados |
johnb: thought of that one at ALA while being annoyed at OCLC :-) |
| 16:51 |
|
kados |
johnb: what do you think? |
| 16:51 |
|
kados |
I even think we could buy oslc.org as it doesn't seem to be used |
| 16:51 |
|
kados |
(though it is registered ... but I bet we could get it if persistant) |
| 16:54 |
|
johnb |
Kados: I think we will start a list |
| 16:55 |
|
kados |
johnb: we meaning meadville? or meaning you and I :-) |
| 16:55 |
|
kados |
johnb: I could make a list on liblime.com tonight if we wanted |
| 16:58 |
|
Burgwork |
johnb, why limit your foundation to just ils'? what about public computing projects (when I convince my work to opensource DS) |
| 16:59 |
|
johnb |
We can change it to make it more exclusive |
| 16:59 |
|
thd |
Burgwork: what is DS? |
| 16:59 |
|
Burgwork |
thd, DiscoverStation |
| 16:59 |
|
johnb |
Kados: If you want to keep the list please feel free, I am just proposing here |
| 17:00 |
|
thd |
johnb: what list? |
| 17:00 |
|
thd |
list of possible names? |
| 17:02 |
|
thd |
Burgwork: have them put it under GPL V 3 next year with a few optional restrictions to ensure everyone knows that they made it and they should be happy. |
| 17:04 |
|
thd |
Burgwork: do you work for both Userful and Katipo |
| 17:04 |
|
thd |
? |
| 17:12 |
|
Burgwork |
thd, just Userful |
| 17:12 |
|
thd |
Burgwork: what do you do with Koha? |
| 17:13 |
|
Burgwork |
currently just produce hot air. I did a review of the OPAC interface (zoomopac) |
| 17:14 |
|
thd |
Burgwork: do you mean your review posted on koha-devel or some other review? |
| 17:15 |
|
thd |
johnb: would Koha users be reassured by a foundation that did not include Koha in the foundation name? |
| 17:16 |
|
Burgwork |
-devel |
| 17:16 |
|
johnb |
thd: good question. I do not have an answer. |
| 17:17 |
|
thd |
johnb: would you be reassured if you were not directly involved? |
| 17:18 |
|
thd |
johnb: I see no reason that a foundation which includes reference to Koha cannot do other things that do not relate perfectly to what Koha does now. |
| 17:19 |
|
johnb |
thd well the philosophy I am following is to m ake the organization as all inclusive as possible well at the same time allowing everyone to contribute without being threatening |
| 17:20 |
|
thd |
johnb: I definitely like that idea |
| 17:20 |
|
johnb |
thd: the beauty of the apach foundation is that they allow the different communities to run themselves with very very little oversite |
| 17:21 |
|
thd |
johnb: I just want Katipo and HLT, and nervous potential Koha users to be able to see there way to supporting the foundation in future. |
| 17:22 |
|
johnb |
thd: anyone can form there own community, manage the community the way they want to, while still at the same time benefit for being part of a much larger community |
| 17:23 |
|
thd |
johnb: yet, of course we should not be restricted by mistakenly choosing some overly narrow legal statement of the purpose of the foundation. |
| 17:24 |
|
thd |
johnb: what aspects oft OCLC do you find most vexing? |
| 17:25 |
|
kados |
thd: OCLC believes that all data should be in OCLC |
| 17:25 |
|
kados |
thd: they are not _open_ |
| 17:25 |
|
johnb |
thd: We do not use OCLC due to the cost, though they have sent a team here to study our ops |
| 17:26 |
|
thd |
johnb: what vexed you at the ALA convention? |
| 17:26 |
|
kados |
thd: that was me that was vexed :-) |
| 17:27 |
|
johnb |
thd: unclear of question. Did not attend ALA this year, all travel money spent on some trip to France. |
| 17:27 |
|
kados |
johnb: hehe |
| 17:27 |
|
thd |
johnb: I spent all my money completely travelling to Europe |
| 17:29 |
|
thd |
kados: OCLC having all data is not terrible. What is terrible is that they want to claim ownership of almost all the data in their system. |
| 17:29 |
|
kados |
thd: if they shared their data, I'd be fine with them having it all |
| 17:29 |
|
kados |
but once it goes into OCLC, there it stays |
| 17:30 |
|
thd |
kados: do not worry there is better data outside OCLC. I can prove it. |
| 17:30 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 17:31 |
|
thd |
kados: even when the libraries are members of OCLC they often have better more complete records than the ones in OCLC which they have not contributed and never will. |
| 17:34 |
|
thd |
kados: OCLC is overdue for a policy change about records data and suing people for doing fun things with DDC. |
| 17:36 |
|
thd |
kados: they never started with those policies although they did become especially mean soon after they bought Forest press including DDC. |
| 20:05 |
|
thd |
kados: are you still there? |
| 02:28 |
|
toins |
hi all ! |
| 02:34 |
|
hdl |
hi |
| 02:34 |
|
dewey |
what's up, hdl |
| 02:35 |
|
toins |
salut hdl |
| 02:41 |
|
osmoze |
hello #koha |
| 03:48 |
|
paul |
hello osmoze |
| 03:48 |
|
paul |
osmoze, tjs pas de retour de ta machine de tests ? |
| 03:48 |
|
paul |
sinon, je publie un 2.2.6RC3 rien que pour toi... |
| 03:49 |
|
osmoze |
coucou non, je dois avoir l alim mercredi qui arrive |
| 03:49 |
|
paul |
(hdl et kados on fait plusieurs bugfixes sur les périodiques et le bulletinage, et il en reste encore un peu) |
| 03:49 |
|
osmoze |
je la monte mercredi ou jeudi matin et vendredi c est parti |
| 03:50 |
|
paul |
ok, sauf que je serai en congés |
| 03:50 |
|
paul |
donc ca attendra mon retour. |
| 03:50 |
|
Comete |
bonjour à tous |
| 03:50 |
|
paul |
encore que, je diffuserai ptet direct en 2.2.6 officielle, vu que joshua l'a déjà installée aux US |
| 03:51 |
|
paul |
hello st lo |
| 03:51 |
|
osmoze |
ok paul |
| 03:51 |
|
osmoze |
bonjour Comete |
| 03:51 |
|
toins |
que de francais ce matin.... |
| 03:51 |
|
osmoze |
t es en vancances combien de temps ? |
| 03:51 |
|
osmoze |
salut toins |
| 03:51 |
|
toins |
salut osmoze |
| 03:51 |
|
paul |
en tous cas, les pbs principaux dans l'éditeur MARC, dans les acquisitions et dans le bulletinage ont été éradiqués. |
| 03:51 |
|
paul |
vacances 2 semaines. |
| 03:51 |
|
paul |
retour le 28 aout |
| 03:52 |
|
paul |
Tiens, une petite nouvelle, osmoze : la famille poulain va s'agrandir (en février prochain). |
| 03:53 |
|
osmoze |
roh :) ca va faire 4 alors si mes mathematiques primaire sont bonnes |
| 03:53 |
|
paul |
ouaip |
| 03:53 |
|
paul |
et si c'est encore un garcon, ca fera les 4 daltons. |
| 03:53 |
|
osmoze |
lol |
| 03:53 |
|
paul |
du coup, Simon notre ainé espère vraiment une fille |
| 03:53 |
|
paul |
pour éviter d'être averell |
| 03:54 |
|
paul |
:-D |
| 03:54 |
|
osmoze |
tu m etonnes, et toi aussi non ? |
| 03:54 |
|
osmoze |
mdr :) |
| 03:54 |
|
paul |
en fait, non, ca m'est égal : une fille ce serait super, et un garçon, je sais déjà comment ca marche. Donc les 2 seront bien. |
| 03:54 |
|
paul |
une seule chose est sûre : il n'y en n'a qu'un ! |
| 03:55 |
|
osmoze |
il aurait manqué plus que ca ! |
| 03:55 |
|
osmoze |
des doublons... |
| 03:55 |
|
paul |
heu... on appelle ca des jumeaux. les doublons, c'est sur un ordinateur ou dans un catalogue de bibliothèque ;-) |
| 03:56 |
|
Comete |
ou des exemplaires non ? :) |
| 03:58 |
|
osmoze |
déformation professionnelle :) |
| 03:58 |
|
paul |
lol |
| 04:00 |
|
paul |
Comete: je dirai plutot des doublons, puisque dans ce cas, ce serait 2 documents identiques (même titre, même éditeur, même code barre). Par contre, les exemplaires, s'ils sont rattachés à la même notice bibliographique "poulain", ont leurs spécificité (code barre différent : 29/09/95 pour le 1er, 14/09/00 pour le second et 01/10/04 pour le 3eme) |
| 04:00 |
|
paul |
c'est le grand délire aujourd'hui sur #koha !!! |
| 04:07 |
|
osmoze |
:) |
| 04:07 |
|
osmoze |
c est des reeditions |
| 04:07 |
|
osmoze |
va falloir que je m y mette aussi bientot en parlant de ca :/ |
| 04:57 |
|
osmoze |
bye |
| 06:11 |
|
slef |
paul: was it between hammer and anvil? => in English: between the devil and the deep blue, or between a rock and a hard place |
| 06:25 |
|
paul |
slef, yes, hammer & anvil. |
| 06:48 |
|
slef |
paul: it's valid in English, but I've not seen it used in anything later than 1960s. |
| 06:48 |
|
paul |
it's a word to word translation from french. |
| 06:49 |
|
paul |
we uses it even in 2006 ;-) |
| 06:50 |
|
slef |
yeah, backwards Frenchies ;-) |
| 06:51 |
|
paul |
lol |
| 06:51 |
|
paul |
why in english between "devil" & "deep blue" |
| 06:51 |
|
paul |
what is "deep blue" ? |
| 06:51 |
|
slef |
Ah, |
| 06:51 |
|
slef |
deep blue sea |
| 06:52 |
|
paul |
i still don't see the relation between devil & a see... |
| 06:52 |
|
slef |
but that's too long to fit the rhythm |
| 06:52 |
|
paul |
ok ;-) |
| 06:52 |
|
slef |
well, which would you jump into? |
| 06:52 |
|
paul |
ah, ok ! |
| 06:53 |
|
paul |
"hammer & devil" is not a question of choice for frenchies. It's a question of being caught whatever you do (& even if you do nothing). And harmed ! |
| 06:54 |
|
slef |
s/devil/anvil/ ; yes, I think the rock and a hard place one might be more similar, but doesn't sound so pretty ;-) |
| 06:55 |
|
slef |
the "devil" in this phrase is not Old Nick -- it was sailor's slang for a seam around the hull of an old sailing ship, all the way down by the waterline. The seams of wooden ships required periodic caulking with pitch (a tar-like substance) lest they develop leaks, and often this caulking had to be done while the ship was at sea. A sailor lowered over the side to caulk "the devil" found himself in a very precarious position indeed -- "between |
| 06:55 |
|
slef |
http://www.word-detective.com/back-l2.html |
| 06:55 |
|
slef |
It's a nice story, but the problem is that "between the devil and the deep blue sea" was used by landlubbers for at least 200 years before |
| 06:57 |
|
slef |
The most likely origin of this idiom is the episode of Homer's Odyssey in which Odysseus and his crew is caught between Scylla and Charybdis. |
| 06:57 |
|
slef |
So, yet again, English proves that most of its phrases have no known meaning ;-) |
| 07:00 |
|
paul |
;-) |
| 07:56 |
|
paul |
kados around ? |
| 07:57 |
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kados |
paul: yep |
| 07:57 |
|
owen |
Hi paul and kados |
| 07:57 |
|
paul |
"morning to you joshua. |
| 07:57 |
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paul |
hi owen |
| 07:57 |
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paul |
did you see my answers on bugzilla ? |
| 07:57 |
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kados |
looking now |
| 07:57 |
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paul |
all the bugs affected to me have an answer (& waiting for something from you or someone else) |
| 07:57 |
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paul |
(I mean blocking one) |
| 07:59 |
|
kados |
paul: for MARC21 Authorities, I'm afraid they have many fields :( |
| 07:59 |
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kados |
paul: things are similarly logical as with Unimarc |
| 08:00 |
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kados |
paul: but ... you can have in the same record, different types |
| 08:00 |
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paul |
all of them in the same authority category ? really strange (& weird) |
| 08:00 |
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kados |
no ... |
| 08:00 |
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kados |
you can have 'personal name' field, that also includes a 'title' :-) |
| 08:00 |
|
kados |
for instance |
| 08:00 |
|
kados |
but perhaps I should speak with thd about trimming them into discreet types |
| 08:01 |
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kados |
perhaps they could be made smaller |
| 08:01 |
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kados |
thanks for fixing the bug |
| 08:01 |
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kados |
I still don't understand your updatedatabase comment :-) |
| 08:01 |
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paul |
ok, I explain once again : |
| 08:02 |
|
paul |
suppose this morning I create a new table, through updatedatabase. |
| 08:02 |
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kados |
ok |
| 08:02 |
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paul |
you'll get it when updating your cvs copy. and create it through updatedatabase |
| 08:02 |
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paul |
in 2 days, I realize a field is missing. |
| 08:02 |
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paul |
as no official release has been done, I just modify the updatedatabase, in CREATE table part. |
| 08:02 |
|
kados |
right |
| 08:03 |
|
kados |
I understand now |
| 08:03 |
|
paul |
so if you run updatedatabase once again, you'll have nothing done, as the table already exist |
| 08:03 |
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kados |
right |
| 08:03 |
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kados |
ok, thanks for clarification |
| 08:03 |
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paul |
you're welcome |
| 08:03 |
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kados |
I will test the new basket problem |
| 08:03 |
|
kados |
cool :-) |
| 08:04 |
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kados |
did you see the hungarian in npl templates? |
| 08:05 |
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paul |
no, i missed this |
| 08:05 |
|
kados |
I had hoped to have all UN languages for NPL templates too |
| 08:06 |
|
kados |
but WIPO has not finished translating them :( |
| 08:06 |
|
kados |
(and not sure if they still work on this) |
| 08:06 |
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paul |
you mean all the 7 official languages ? |
| 08:06 |
|
kados |
yes |
| 08:06 |
|
paul |
(that would be nice to have npl in french ;-) ) |
| 08:06 |
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kados |
yep :-) |
| 08:07 |
|
paul |
(anna, from CMI would be very happy with this. if it happends, I think I could switch to npl templates for future support of 2.2.x |
| 08:07 |
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paul |
that would ease a lot future versions of 2.2.x |
| 08:08 |
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kados |
in fact, if WIPO won't do it, do you know anyone who would? |
| 08:08 |
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paul |
nope. |
| 08:08 |
|
paul |
but I could investigate a little (after holidays) |
| 08:08 |
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kados |
ok |
| 08:08 |
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kados |
because I have some budget for paying a translator also |
| 08:09 |
|
kados |
but free is better of course :-) |
| 08:10 |
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kados |
toins: are you there? |
| 08:10 |
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kados |
toins: don't work too much on searching in HEAD as I just re-wrote the API (again!) :-) |
| 08:10 |
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toins |
kados, yep |
| 08:11 |
|
toins |
ah... |
| 08:11 |
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kados |
now it's going to be 100% ccl |
| 08:11 |
|
toins |
ok |
| 08:11 |
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kados |
it turns out it's too complex to maintain three query syntaxes with one script :-) |
| 08:11 |
|
kados |
(at least for me :-)) |
| 08:12 |
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kados |
so if we want cql and pqf they will be a separate script |
| 08:12 |
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kados |
hehe |
| 08:12 |
|
toins |
i'll daily syncronize your commit on head.... |
| 08:12 |
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kados |
toins: wait to sync until next week I think |
| 08:12 |
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kados |
toins: as it will be volitile for a while :-) |
| 08:12 |
|
toins |
kados, ok |
| 08:12 |
|
kados |
esp today :-) |
| 08:18 |
|
kados |
brb |
| 08:24 |
|
thd |
kados are you back from coffee? |
| 08:34 |
|
thd |
paul: is the problem that you are seeing with MARC 21 authorities where a personal name authority has 100 $a Someone $d born- $t Some title ? |
| 08:34 |
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paul |
I don't see any problem thd, i just see a very very large authority form. |
| 08:35 |
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paul |
and in UNIMARC such a form is impossible, for the reason I gave in bugzilla. |
| 08:35 |
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thd |
paul: you mentioned titles together with personal names |
| 08:36 |
|
thd |
paul: are you finding that titles together with personal names creates a problem? |
| 08:36 |
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paul |
look at http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1128 |
| 08:37 |
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thd |
paul: yes I have read that bug but it has no example of the MARC 21 authority record which causes the problem |
| 08:37 |
|
paul |
none. it's just that I suggested to remove marc tags to have a lighter form. |
| 08:38 |
|
paul |
in UNIMARC, you can't have 200 & 210 & 230 & 250 on the same authority. |
| 08:38 |
|
paul |
so, when you create your authority framework, you can activate just 1 of them. |
| 08:38 |
|
paul |
that makes really smaller forms ! |
| 08:38 |
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thd |
paul: is it not better to have more robust scripting that can manage to cope with real world records |
| 08:38 |
|
paul |
just, for example, 0xx, 250, 350, 450, 550. |
| 08:39 |
|
paul |
unless i'm mistaken, in unimarc, i'm speaking of real world records ! |
| 08:39 |
|
thd |
paul: yes you are |
| 08:39 |
|
thd |
paul: MARC 21 records can be more complex for authorities |
| 08:39 |
|
paul |
i'm speaking of UNIMARC ;-) |
| 08:40 |
|
thd |
paul: yes, but MARC 21 is similar using 1XX instead of 2XX |
| 08:43 |
|
paul |
so, for marc21 you have very very large forms & it was a bad idea to remove the tab system. We could reintroduce them. |
| 08:44 |
|
paul |
(or use OpenCataloger that will solve this kind of problem ;-) ) |
| 08:44 |
|
thd |
paul: do you have an example of a MARC 21 authority record which is confusing the Koha code does not work for bug # 1128? |
| 08:45 |
|
paul |
any record, when you tried to duplicate a 0xx field. |
| 08:45 |
|
paul |
but it's fixed now. |
| 08:45 |
|
paul |
the rest was just a SUGGESTION, not related to the bug |
| 08:46 |
|
thd |
paul: oh I understood required to avoid the bug :) |
| 10:54 |
|
owen |
Anyone here know where the new patronimages script is expecting to put stuff? |
| 10:54 |
|
owen |
The script says my $destdir = C4::Context->config('intrahtdocs') . "/patronimages"; |
| 10:55 |
|
owen |
intranet-tmpl/patronimages? |
| 10:55 |
|
paul |
owen : if you looked carefully, I said it was not guaranteed to work. |
| 10:55 |
|
owen |
Yes, but I am trying to get it to work |
| 10:56 |
|
paul |
i'm afraid there is a problem with directories, depending on whether you have a CVS or a official directory structure |
| 11:00 |
|
owen |
Does that mean it works for folks who have the official directory structure but not for CVS? |
| 11:01 |
|
paul |
I hope, but am not sure yet |
| 11:25 |
|
toins |
bye world |
