| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:36 |
|
owen |
Hi shaun |
| 12:37 |
|
shaun |
owen: h |
| 12:37 |
|
shaun |
i |
| 12:54 |
|
thd |
kados: are you present? |
| 12:56 |
|
owen |
I think kados is out for the day |
| 13:10 |
|
thd |
owen: I have seen his changes to barcodeGenerator.pl which had not appeared to be on CVS last night when I checked. |
| 13:23 |
|
hdl |
owen : did you happen to receive orders ? |
| 13:23 |
|
owen |
hdl: I don't understand |
| 13:24 |
|
hdl |
I wonder if you have ever used Acquisitions. |
| 13:24 |
|
hdl |
And especially recieve items. |
| 13:24 |
|
owen |
I've only used it to test functionality. I've never used it in the 'real world' |
| 13:25 |
|
hdl |
I wonder how people do to receive multiple items to provide barcodes. |
| 13:25 |
|
hdl |
Is there a hidden sep... That I don't know of. |
| 13:26 |
|
owen |
I'm afraid I don't know |
| 13:29 |
|
thd |
hdl: What do you mean by receiving multiple items. Only one Item at a time can be received currently. |
| 13:30 |
|
hdl |
But you can say I received <MoreThan1> Books :) |
| 13:31 |
|
thd |
hdl: If only saying things would implement them in Koha :) |
| 13:32 |
|
hdl |
In account details, you have a box : quantity received !!! |
| 13:32 |
|
hdl |
So I thought you could receive more than 1 item at a time. |
| 13:32 |
|
hdl |
;) |
| 13:33 |
|
hdl |
OK. |
| 13:33 |
|
hdl |
Time for my darling |
| 13:33 |
|
thd |
hdl: really I will look. You can certainly order multiples in normal acquisitions. |
| 13:35 |
|
hdl_away |
thx |
| 13:45 |
|
thd |
hdl_away: you wrote of a normal acquisitions function. Normal acquisitions has been broken since 1.2.3 chris is fixing it for 2.2.3 for some prospective 2.2.3 users he has. |
| 13:48 |
|
thd |
hdl_away: He expects to have normal acquisitions working for 2.2.3 by the end of the month. I suspect that the worst issues breaking normal acquisitions are template problems. |
| 13:55 |
|
kados |
thd: am now |
| 13:56 |
|
thd |
kados: I looked at the changes you made to the barcodeGenerator.pl. |
| 13:56 |
|
kados |
ok |
| 13:56 |
|
kados |
did you try it out? |
| 13:57 |
|
thd |
kados: To really try it I would need a working scanner at hand. |
| 13:57 |
|
kados |
ahh ;-) |
| 13:57 |
|
thd |
kados: I sold my scanner when I had needed some money :{ |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 13:59 |
|
thd |
kados: I do have some CueCat scanners but neutering them without breaking them takes a fair amount of time. |
| 14:00 |
|
thd |
at least with the tools that I have. |
| 14:01 |
|
thd |
kados: Have you tried it? I can still read the source. |
| 14:02 |
|
thd |
kados: The code is actually somewhat confused since Paul changed the generated code from EAN-13 to code 128 in November while the number going in seems to still be designed as basically EAN-13. |
| 14:07 |
|
thd |
kados: the code still supplies a country code for EAN-13. If it is code 128, I believe that there should be an option for no country code. That would fix the leading '00' problem for the US if your scanner is returning it. |
| 14:11 |
|
thd |
kados: your changes do nothing to the actual code generated or better to the code returned by the scanner in Koha. Was your problem essentially that your scanner returned the generated code as is which caused a problem for interpreting in Koha with the country code prefixed and the check digit appended? |
| 14:12 |
|
thd |
kados: Are you still there? |
| 15:24 |
|
thd |
owen: kados had referred to a radio button for setting exact search last week when he was communicating to you about the function not working. I did not see a radio button in the NPL catalogue templates. I did see the 'Is equal to' setting in the drop down list for MARC field searching in the intranet catalogue. |
| 15:25 |
|
owen |
That's all I see too. I don't know what kados was referring to. |
| 15:25 |
|
owen |
The radio button is in an older version of Koha, not the current one. |
| 15:26 |
|
thd |
owen: Oh, I thought kados only played with the current versions. When was the radio button removed? |
| 15:27 |
|
owen |
kados was talking about the current version, but I'm not sure what he was referring to--whether it was the 'is equal to' option or something else. |
| 15:27 |
|
owen |
The radio button was in an older version that searched the biblio table instead of the MARC tables |
| 15:28 |
|
owen |
http://opac.library.org.nz/cgi[…]ha/opac-search.pl |
| 15:28 |
|
kados |
yea but it's there on the Intranet MARC search |
| 15:28 |
|
kados |
and it works like a charm! |
| 15:29 |
|
kados |
it's really the only way to search for 'C.S. Lewis" |
| 15:31 |
|
thd |
kados: Is the MARC search not in the OPAC because it is appallingly slow? |
| 15:32 |
|
owen |
the OPAC uses a MARC search, just not the advanced features available in the intranet |
| 15:32 |
|
owen |
No patron should be expected to use an interface that requires them to know what information is in what MARC tag |
| 15:33 |
|
thd |
owen: Is it not also appallingly slow when there are as many biblios as NPL has? |
| 15:34 |
|
owen |
I'll try it again now, since I hardly ever use it |
| 15:35 |
|
owen |
Heh.... It doesn't even seem to be working on our site. I guess no one else uses it either! |
| 15:36 |
|
thd |
owen: I remember some very old discussion, possibly from koha-devel, about some searches being very slow at NPL. |
| 15:36 |
|
owen |
Trying it out on our test server (which has an identical database), it seems fine. No speed issues compared to normal searches |
| 15:37 |
|
thd |
owen: I had thought that one part of the issue was lack of indexing. Perhaps you would need to search some nonstandard fields/subfields that were not indexed. |
| 15:38 |
|
thd |
unless that problem had been fixed. |
| 15:40 |
|
owen |
I tried searching for all books that were 214 pages long, and it was very speedy |
| 15:42 |
|
thd |
owen: there are semantic labels on the form value lists so that it has greater accessibility than a form which merely had '245 $a' instead of '245a title' as it has now. |
| 15:43 |
|
owen |
Hunh? |
| 15:44 |
|
thd |
owen: you said that the OPAC user should not be expected to know where to search for information in a MARC search form. |
| 15:45 |
|
thd |
owen: That is true, but there are at least names instead of merely codes on this form. |
| 15:45 |
|
owen |
The main thing the advanced MARC search offers is the ability to use and, not, starts with, contains etc. |
| 15:46 |
|
owen |
(the main thing it could offer the public, that is) |
| 15:46 |
|
thd |
owen: And also other fields such as extent. |
| 15:47 |
|
owen |
So that a high-schooler can come in and say, "Give me any books on WWII that are shorter than 100 pages" ? :) |
| 15:47 |
|
thd |
owen: searching on pagination could be very valuable in a large collection. |
| 15:48 |
|
thd |
own: my searches would be for greater than 200 pages with an index. |
| 15:50 |
|
thd |
owen: the problem with searching for pagination is that it is not the only information stored in the extent field. |
| 15:52 |
|
thd |
owen: It would need to be separately indexed in a local use field or otherwise to work well so that it did not always match or always fail. |
| 15:55 |
|
owen |
kados: I'm still not sure we're talking about the same thing with the exact search. Are you talking about the 'is equal to' option in the MARC fields search? |
| 16:07 |
|
thd |
owen: pagination is frequently given as xvi, 234 p. for example. Some script would need to extract the digits in advance else the comparison would be done on the coded value of everything. In some instances there are multiple numbers for pagination, and then of course volumisation is substituted for pagination for multi-volume sets. |
| 16:10 |
|
thd |
owen: can I just use quotes around a set of search terms in the OPAC form for a phrase search? |
| 16:11 |
|
owen |
No, I don't think that works anywhere in Koha |
| 16:13 |
|
thd |
owen: does 'is equal to' match only the whole field or any phrase anywhere within the field? |
| 16:13 |
|
owen |
It should match the whole field, if it works as expected |
| 16:18 |
|
thd |
owen: It requires even trailing punctuation. It is an exact string match. |
| 16:18 |
|
owen |
That's how the old 'exact' option worked. You had to be exact to the letter. Not very useful in most cases. |
| 16:18 |
|
thd |
owen: just as labelled. Very precise :) |
| 16:19 |
|
thd |
owen: Is there a new exact option? :) |
| 16:19 |
|
owen |
You're soaking in it. |
| 16:20 |
|
kados |
it would be trivial to take out punctuation |
| 16:20 |
|
kados |
I was talking about the 'is equal to' |
| 16:20 |
|
kados |
it works very well for certain applications |
| 16:20 |
|
kados |
like finding 'Lewis, C.S.' |
| 16:20 |
|
kados |
where Koha currently mucks things up quite a bit |
| 16:20 |
|
thd |
kados: If you take out the punctuation the match would fail. |
| 16:21 |
|
kados |
right ... because it's in marc_subfield_table |
| 16:21 |
|
kados |
good point |
| 16:22 |
|
thd |
kados: It would be easier if the search would match 'Lewis C S' but not 'Lewis C Stanley'. |
| 16:23 |
|
kados |
yea |
| 16:23 |
|
kados |
that's quite tough to actually program in SQL though |
| 16:23 |
|
kados |
really, this conversation should be happening |
| 16:23 |
|
kados |
because every time we had it up until we learned about textual databases |
| 16:23 |
|
kados |
we couldn't come up with a solution that would solve every case |
| 16:24 |
|
kados |
the textual route is the way to go ... |
| 16:25 |
|
thd |
kados: Textual databases are nothing new. It is those SQL databases that are a strange recent fashion :) |
| 16:25 |
|
thd |
kados: Have you tested the barcodes? |
| 16:26 |
|
kados |
thd: with my eyes ;-) |
| 16:26 |
|
kados |
thd: I've got a barcode scanner but no printer |
| 16:27 |
|
thd |
kados: The code is actually somewhat confused since Paul changed the generated code from EAN-13 to code 128 in November while the number going in seems to still be designed as basically EAN-13. |
| 16:28 |
|
thd |
kados: no one but the Argentines have been using this successfully if they are. |
| 16:34 |
|
thd |
kados: paul's users do not even use it. There is some extra code required to process the full captured barcode with prefix and check digit appended. If the code is not in a routine called every time a barcode is input in Koha, then it must be in the scanner, given a scanner with that capability. |
| 03:21 |
|
thd |
good morning hdl |
| 03:22 |
|
hdl |
evening thd. |
| 03:24 |
|
thd |
hdl: The advantage of adding books to reading lists that the library does not own is to include reading form bookshops, other libraries, etc. and to promote them in a public reading list. |
| 03:25 |
|
thd |
s/reading list/virtual bookshelf/ # if you prefer. |
| 03:30 |
|
thd |
hdl: Unfortunately, there is no facility for adding notes for comments, a review. or whatever as can be done with ordering suggestions; encouraging or discouraging others form reading a book, in a public virtual bookshelf. Furthermore, to see any public or free virtual bookshelf a user must have bothered to log in so there is a slightly more than casual requirement to view them. Otherwise a very nice feature :) |
| 03:32 |
|
hdl |
thd : this virtual bookshelf on not owned should be a peculiar type of bookshelf. process would be different. |
| 03:33 |
|
hdl |
But yes, would be a nice fature for 3.0 .... |
| 03:33 |
|
thd |
hdl: Did you see my comment from yesterday shortly after you had marked yourself away about how normal acquisitions being broken in since version 1.2.3. chris has been fixing it now for end of the month. |
| 03:34 |
|
hdl |
thd : yep thx. |
| 03:36 |
|
thd |
hdl: If you can manage to receiving anything in Koha, you have been able to do more than I have without getting an error. I even tried cheating in SQL to fill values that the templates had discarded :) |
| 03:40 |
|
thd |
hdl: Templates discarded my invoice numbers and then the orders could not be found if the shopping basket was closed, but filling them in SQL was insufficient for the full receiving process. |
| 09:48 |
|
hdl |
hi owen. |
| 09:48 |
|
owen |
Hi hdl |
| 10:56 |
|
paul |
hi owen. |
| 10:56 |
|
owen |
Hi paul |
| 10:56 |
|
paul |
owen, a quick question : what is PROG template status ? |
| 10:57 |
|
paul |
10% done ? 90% done ? |
| 10:57 |
|
owen |
Sorry I haven't responded on the list to your question |
| 10:57 |
|
kados |
paul: owen is waiting for me to finish configuring 3.0 |
| 10:57 |
|
paul |
something between ? |
| 10:57 |
|
kados |
paul: so you can blame me ;-) |
| 10:57 |
|
paul |
hi joshua |
| 10:57 |
|
kados |
g'day |
| 10:57 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 10:57 |
|
paul |
... but nothing happends ... |
| 10:57 |
|
owen |
80% done. I need to test on a "working" HEAD installation |
| 10:57 |
|
paul |
so that's useless ... |
| 10:57 |
|
kados |
I will have time after today to work on it |
| 10:58 |
|
paul |
note that i'll be off next 2 weeks. |
| 10:58 |
|
owen |
When will you release 2.2.4? |
| 10:58 |
|
kados |
dates? |
| 10:58 |
|
paul |
1 week teaching koha, with some internet access, but no time |
| 10:58 |
|
paul |
1 week in burkina faso, to speak of "developpement durable" and "bibliotheque numerique" and "logiciels libres" |
| 10:58 |
|
paul |
i'm a little bit late on 2.2.4 i'm afraid ! |
| 10:59 |
|
paul |
I have to release a 2.2.4 RC1 (at least for hdl & me) because we have to set it on 2 libraries :-( |
| 10:59 |
|
paul |
) |
| 10:59 |
|
paul |
but there are still some problems to solve ! |
| 10:59 |
|
paul |
(minor ones) |
| 11:00 |
|
paul |
one less problem : the leader works for joshua as well as for me ;-) |
| 11:00 |
|
kados |
paul I recently discovered a possible bug ... if an itemtype is set to 'notforloan' a patron can still reserve it |
| 11:00 |
|
paul |
didn't we fix this last week ? |
| 11:01 |
|
kados |
paul: +1 now :/ |
| 11:01 |
|
kados |
ahh ... perhaps |
| 11:01 |
|
kados |
no ... |
| 11:01 |
|
kados |
one difference |
| 11:01 |
|
paul |
(the ->{notforloan} || ->{itemnotforloan} change |
| 11:01 |
|
paul |
) |
| 11:01 |
|
kados |
no ... that just helps with display |
| 11:01 |
|
kados |
not with pre-crafted reserve CGI |
| 11:01 |
|
kados |
to reserve the non-reservable item |
| 11:02 |
|
kados |
in other words, even though a patron does not see that she can reserve an item, if you substitute the bibid in the link Koha will not prevent it |
| 11:02 |
|
kados |
I will investigate why though |
| 11:02 |
|
kados |
so you don't need to ;-) |
| 11:02 |
|
kados |
paul: when do you leave? |
| 11:03 |
|
kados |
(I have some news btw. An Ohio University class will work with NPL to design a new cataloging component for Koha: a Z39.50 web-based front end (based at first on Net::Z3950 and then on Perl-ZOOM) and an integrated MARC editor) |
| 11:04 |
|
kados |
(here is the draft of the project proposal: http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh[…]atalogingproject) |
| 11:04 |
|
kados |
(I will meet with the class tomorrow to talk about questions they have) |
| 11:07 |
|
paul |
I love your 1st tech requirement :-D |
| 11:07 |
|
paul |
100% free software ? we?re open-source nuts and won?t settle for anything less than 100% free. |
| 11:07 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 11:08 |
|
paul |
feel free to add this irc channel, i'll be happy to give some help where needed |
| 11:08 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 11:08 |
|
kados |
also, please feel free to edit the wiki page |
| 11:08 |
|
paul |
(in fact i already had some ideas on this subject, but, as usual, no time to investigate it deeper !) |
| 11:08 |
|
kados |
if you see something missing ;-) |
| 11:09 |
|
kados |
we need more programmers ;-) |
| 11:09 |
|
paul |
grrrr... stupid sprintf sub... |
| 11:09 |
|
paul |
that add space BEFORE and not AFTER a string ... |
| 11:09 |
|
paul |
when %24s, leader() |
| 11:10 |
|
paul |
if the leader is less than 24 char, spaces are added before, breaking everything... |
| 11:10 |
|
paul |
1 less problem to understand ! |
| 11:11 |
|
paul |
ok, problem fixed |
| 11:11 |
|
paul |
%-24s instead of %24s does what we need ! |
| 11:13 |
|
kados |
paul: to you knowledge do we have problems if 008 field contains any '|' ? |
| 11:23 |
|
paul |
mmm... we could. |
| 11:23 |
|
paul |
as I consider | as separator for repeated values. |
| 11:23 |
|
paul |
(although 008 has no subfield so i'm not sure we have the problem) |
| 11:23 |
|
paul |
let me know ;-) |
| 11:26 |
|
kados |
paul: i will |
| 11:28 |
|
paul |
leaving now, read you tomorrow |
| 11:29 |
|
tim |
kados: You wouldn't happen to be thinking of our records? |
| 11:29 |
|
kados |
tim: sure am ;-) |
| 11:29 |
|
tim |
Sagebrush left a wonderful mess in there. |
| 11:29 |
|
kados |
tim: don't worry ... we'll clean it up realy nice ;-) |
| 11:30 |
|
tim |
I started working on a script to replace 'em with spaces. |
| 11:31 |
|
kados |
tim: that's what I'm planning to do |
| 11:31 |
|
kados |
tim: any other 'gotchas' that you know about? |
| 11:31 |
|
kados |
tim: we'll have to talk about locations and itemtypes |
| 11:31 |
|
kados |
tim: as I think you'll want those normalized |
| 11:32 |
|
tim |
None that I can think of at the moment. I was trying to work our the problems before I exported. |
| 11:33 |
|
tim |
I forgot to mention the 008 problem to you, but remember talking about it in here before. |
| 11:33 |
|
kados |
tim: since I've got you here |
| 11:33 |
|
tim |
Don't remember if it was you was talking to. |
| 11:34 |
|
kados |
tim: could you just brief me on all the files, etc in the jmf home directory |
| 11:34 |
|
tim |
I'll take a look... |
| 11:34 |
|
kados |
in the Athena\ Database I see: |
| 11:34 |
|
kados |
CURRCIRC.DBF HISTCIRC.DBF PATSUMM.DBF athena.mrc FINEDET.DBF OVERDET.DBF RESDET.DBF |
| 11:34 |
|
kados |
well ... there's a 09012005 |
| 11:35 |
|
kados |
directory with another Athena\ Database dir |
| 11:35 |
|
kados |
then we've got a few .sql files |
| 11:35 |
|
kados |
and a changemarc.pl (which I assume is your MARC repair script) |
| 11:35 |
|
tim |
the 09012005 directory is the updated directory. The one that was up to date on your starting day. |
| 11:36 |
|
kados |
ok ... and Athena.tgz is just a tgz of that dir |
