| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 13:10 |
|
Ryanbisd |
what kind of marc records does follett use? |
| 13:21 |
|
Ryanbisd |
or, if Im going to import them, do I choose a Marc record type during the initial install? |
| 13:22 |
|
kados |
Ryanbisd: probably USMARC (aka MARC21 aka iso2709) |
| 13:22 |
|
kados |
probably not UNIMARC |
| 13:22 |
|
kados |
which is mainly used in France |
| 13:26 |
|
Ryanbisd |
man, everything is @ss backwards here... I dont even know where the marc records are stored for the campusus.. |
| 13:26 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 13:26 |
|
kados |
there's probably a sabatoged marc export utility somewhere |
| 13:26 |
|
kados |
and you'll need to pay follett a few thousand dollars to remove one garbage line somewhere that cripples the utility |
| 13:27 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 13:30 |
|
Ryanbisd |
haha... really? |
| 13:31 |
|
thd |
kados: you should have the email now |
| 13:32 |
|
Ryanbisd |
where did you send it/ |
| 13:32 |
|
kados |
thd: thanks! |
| 13:33 |
|
kados |
Ryanbisd: ? |
| 13:33 |
|
Ryanbisd |
nevermind... |
| 13:33 |
|
thd |
kados: good luck |
| 13:33 |
|
Ryanbisd |
im being retarded |
| 13:34 |
|
kados |
thd: thanks :-) |
| 14:23 |
|
Ryanbisd |
how do i get to the admin part of koha? |
| 14:28 |
|
shaun |
Parameters in the intranet? or am i thinking of a different admin? |
| 14:30 |
|
Ryanbisd |
yes.. |
| 14:30 |
|
Ryanbisd |
to edit koha... |
| 14:30 |
|
Ryanbisd |
or, is that all command line? |
| 14:31 |
|
shaun |
what do you mean, to edit koha? |
| 14:31 |
|
Ryanbisd |
to change the different options and such. |
| 14:32 |
|
Ryanbisd |
is there not just a general Koha Admin screen or anything? |
| 14:32 |
|
kados |
Ryanbisd: yes |
| 14:32 |
|
kados |
Ryanbisd: go to the intranet |
| 14:32 |
|
Ryanbisd |
there |
| 14:32 |
|
kados |
Ryanbisd: you'll see the admin link |
| 14:32 |
|
Ryanbisd |
dont see it.. |
| 14:33 |
|
Ryanbisd |
I see the librian screen |
| 14:33 |
|
shaun |
Preferences? Koha Administration? Parameters? Settings? that's what they are in the templates |
| 14:35 |
|
Ryanbisd |
Im not in the right place. |
| 14:35 |
|
owen |
Are you in the OPAC right now? |
| 14:36 |
|
Ryanbisd |
no. |
| 14:36 |
|
kados |
Ryanbisd: using default templates? |
| 14:36 |
|
Ryanbisd |
yeah |
| 14:36 |
|
Ryanbisd |
is the opac the studens side? |
| 14:36 |
|
Ryanbisd |
or, the users side? |
| 14:36 |
|
Ryanbisd |
ok.. wait.. |
| 14:36 |
|
owen |
OPAC is the public side |
| 14:36 |
|
Ryanbisd |
I am at the opac-main |
| 14:37 |
|
owen |
intranet is the librarian's side |
| 14:37 |
|
owen |
You're looking for something like http://your-koha-installation:[…]/koha/mainpage.pl |
| 14:42 |
|
Ryanbisd |
im there |
| 14:43 |
|
owen |
You want the Parameters link |
| 14:43 |
|
Ryanbisd |
sure. |
| 14:43 |
|
slef |
ping |
| 14:43 |
|
Ryanbisd |
BTW... you I wanna thank you guys in advance for helpin me out.. im pretty rough around the edges |
| 14:43 |
|
Ryanbisd |
I am at the login screen |
| 14:44 |
|
slef |
town |
| 14:45 |
|
owen |
Ryanbisd: log in ;) |
| 14:46 |
|
Ryanbisd |
alright.... |
| 14:46 |
|
Ryanbisd |
I suspose I have to create a login |
| 14:48 |
|
owen |
Should have happened during the install process, I think |
| 14:51 |
|
shaun |
you can find the un/pw to use in /etc/koha.conf |
| 15:09 |
|
owen |
Any luck, Ryanbisd? |
| 15:10 |
|
Ryanbisd |
yup... |
| 15:10 |
|
Ryanbisd |
Now, I just have to find out where are current marc records, and barcodes are located |
| 15:10 |
|
Ryanbisd |
which no one seems to know |
| 15:12 |
|
owen |
kados wasn't kidding when he said Follett may charge you to get them out |
| 15:39 |
|
Ryanbisd |
what aboiut if I get them out with marc magician? |
| 15:39 |
|
Ryanbisd |
or, have them generated with Marc Magician |
| 15:40 |
|
Ryanbisd |
the librarian said she can export them with that program |
| 15:44 |
|
Ryanbisd |
hello? |
| 15:45 |
|
shaun |
if you can get marc data out, koha will be able to import it with a bulkmarcimport |
| 15:46 |
|
Ryanbisd |
awesome... |
| 15:46 |
|
Ryanbisd |
an that has the barcode included... |
| 15:46 |
|
shaun |
that's a script, which gets all your marc data from a file and imports it - assuming the data is in one of the two marc formats koha supports |
| 15:46 |
|
Ryanbisd |
marc32 |
| 15:47 |
|
Ryanbisd |
barcode included? |
| 15:48 |
|
shaun |
marc32 - are you sure? i have googled a bit for that but can't find it - sure it's not MARC21 as kados suggested earlier? |
| 15:48 |
|
Ryanbisd |
thats what I meant |
| 15:48 |
|
Ryanbisd |
Im just brain fried today... |
| 15:48 |
|
Ryanbisd |
sorry |
| 15:50 |
|
owen |
Ryanbisd, barcode may not be included with MARC records, because barcodes are often classified as item information |
| 15:50 |
|
shaun |
anybody else around who can help with that? i'm not sure about how koha manages barcodes in bulkmarcimport |
| 15:53 |
|
Ryanbisd |
the librarian was saying that they were done by follett.... |
| 15:53 |
|
Ryanbisd |
but when she exports it thru marc magician, it still has it. |
| 15:55 |
|
Ryanbisd |
as soon as she sends me some marc records, I can let you guys look at them |
| 15:56 |
|
Ryanbisd |
another question I have... which really is more important later, is... how do I seperate each school..... so when a book is looked up, it says what school has what |
| 15:56 |
|
owen |
You have to set up branches in Parameters |
| 15:56 |
|
shaun |
branches - one of koha's specialities |
| 15:57 |
|
Ryanbisd |
will I have to do that with each individual book? |
| 15:57 |
|
owen |
You'll have to map the branch information in your current database to the branches you set up in Koha |
| 16:04 |
|
Ryanbisd |
each branch is its own seperate entity |
| 16:05 |
|
shaun |
not entirely - the branches share the database of resources, but you can change the location of the resources |
| 16:06 |
|
Ryanbisd |
no, what im saying is... .right now.. .each individual school is seperate |
| 16:06 |
|
shaun |
ah i see what you mean, sorry |
| 16:06 |
|
Ryanbisd |
we are wanting to use koha to make them combined, but seperate |
| 16:07 |
|
owen |
separate in what way? |
| 16:07 |
|
Ryanbisd |
like what koha does... |
| 16:07 |
|
Ryanbisd |
seperate, in how it can seperate what books and how many are at the different schools |
| 16:08 |
|
Ryanbisd |
but, its centrally maintained |
| 16:08 |
|
Ryanbisd |
where in the parameters menu do I setup branches? |
| 16:09 |
|
owen |
/cgi-bin/koha/admin/branches.pl |
| 16:11 |
|
Ryanbisd |
so, when I get the marc records from the highschool... how do i load those just into the HS part? |
| 16:18 |
|
Ryanbisd |
will be back on later... |
| 16:18 |
|
Ryanbisd |
thanks for all your help. |
| 16:22 |
|
rach |
hello |
| 16:26 |
|
thd- |
:) |
| 16:27 |
|
rach |
and now I'm off out again - back in a couple of hours |
| 16:52 |
|
owen |
now I'm off again - back in 15 hours |
| 17:03 |
|
ryanbisd |
Hey guys, Im back.. and i have some marc records for you guys to look at if you can |
| 17:09 |
|
kados |
hi rach |
| 17:12 |
|
ryanbisd |
http://lib-intra.burlesonisd.ne |
| 17:12 |
|
ryanbisd |
lib.burlesonisd.net |
| 17:12 |
|
ryanbisd |
woohoo! |
| 17:22 |
|
chris |
woo hoo ryan |
| 17:26 |
|
ryanbisd |
can somone look at the marc records that I have, and see if they are compatable? |
| 17:28 |
|
chris |
hmm |
| 17:28 |
|
chris |
you could post a sample of it to the koha-devel list, im sure someone on there could tell you |
| 17:28 |
|
ryanbisd |
is that on the website? |
| 17:29 |
|
kados |
ryanbisd I'll take a look |
| 17:29 |
|
chris |
ahh good man kados :) |
| 17:29 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 17:29 |
|
ryanbisd |
send them to the email for the irc? |
| 17:30 |
|
kados |
no |
| 17:30 |
|
kados |
send them to me |
| 17:30 |
|
kados |
jmf at liblime.com |
| 17:30 |
|
kados |
ryanbisd: but really ... what you should do |
| 17:30 |
|
kados |
ryanbisd: is try to run bulkmarcimport |
| 17:30 |
|
kados |
and see if your records import right |
| 17:31 |
|
kados |
it's in misc/migration_tools iirc |
| 17:32 |
|
ryanbisd |
I sent them to you.. |
| 17:32 |
|
ryanbisd |
I dont have access to the server right now, but will try and get access tonight or tomorrow... |
| 17:32 |
|
ryanbisd |
she just sent me a few marc records... |
| 17:33 |
|
kados |
yep ... those are marc records ;-) |
| 17:33 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 17:33 |
|
ryanbisd |
so they will work.... |
| 17:33 |
|
ryanbisd |
can you tell if it has |
| 17:33 |
|
ryanbisd |
the barcodes? |
| 17:34 |
|
kados |
ryanbisd: if they aren't importable via bulkmarcimport (and theyshould be by the looks of them) you can use MARC::Lint to clean them up |
| 17:34 |
|
kados |
lemme check |
| 17:34 |
|
kados |
_pT0005903 |
| 17:35 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
| 17:35 |
|
kados |
85040382 |
| 17:35 |
|
kados |
that could be a barcode |
| 17:35 |
|
ryanbisd |
possibly... Im not sure. |
| 17:36 |
|
kados |
yea ... usually barcodes are somewhere in 900s |
| 17:36 |
|
kados |
952, 942 |
| 17:36 |
|
kados |
thing to do is |
| 17:36 |
|
kados |
search on your catalog |
| 17:36 |
|
kados |
(the follett one) |
| 17:36 |
|
kados |
find a few barcodes that you have marc records for |
| 17:37 |
|
kados |
then see if you can match the barcode string in the marc record |
| 17:37 |
|
kados |
(or you could just get a marc editor ;-)) |
| 17:37 |
|
kados |
but basically the 952 tag subfields (where barcodes will usually be) |
| 17:38 |
|
kados |
are repeatable |
| 17:38 |
|
kados |
so you'll find multiple barcodes if you have multiple items fora given record |
| 17:38 |
|
kados |
etc etc. |
| 18:21 |
|
kados |
bug 1000 is up for grabs ;-) |
| 19:47 |
|
Genji |
is there a maximum length for a 3 of 9 barcode? |
| 19:51 |
|
ryanbisd |
kados, do you work 24/7? |
| 20:12 |
|
kados |
ryanbisd: retty much |
| 20:12 |
|
kados |
pretty much even |
| 20:19 |
|
ryanbisd |
haah... |
| 20:19 |
|
ryanbisd |
thats cool, me too.... but, mine is more self imposed |
| 20:20 |
|
ryanbisd |
trying to learn as much as possible |
| 20:23 |
|
russ |
hi |
| 20:30 |
|
ryanbisd |
would this be the same russ I emailed? |
| 20:30 |
|
russ |
hi ryan |
| 20:30 |
|
russ |
yes it is |
| 20:30 |
|
russ |
i flicked your email onto chris to have a look at |
| 20:32 |
|
russ |
ryan - can you tell me where you got my email addy from please? just interested to know |
| 20:33 |
|
ryanbisd |
thats cool.. I found this place soon after, so I asked in here. |
| 20:33 |
|
ryanbisd |
but, thats cool that you are the same guy. |
| 20:37 |
|
chris |
we kinda covered the email on irc already |
| 20:37 |
|
russ |
cool |
| 20:43 |
|
ryanbisd |
yeah... you guys are gonna turn the IRC channel off, thats how many questions I can forsee me asking |
| 20:44 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 20:46 |
|
rach |
we could set up the infobot, see if he can answer them for ya :-) |
| 20:46 |
|
ryanbisd |
hahah |
| 01:39 |
|
osmoze |
hello |
| 01:41 |
|
rach |
hello |
| 04:19 |
|
osmoze |
bonjour paul |
| 04:21 |
|
osmoze |
une question, lors de l installation de la 2.0 si lors des demandes de l installateur on modifie en effacant, ca mets par la suite dans les conf de koha par exemple des symboles tout bizarre |
| 04:22 |
|
osmoze |
du type 'B[ |
| 04:22 |
|
paul |
salut js. |
| 04:22 |
|
osmoze |
etc etc, il y a pas quelque chose pour que cela ne prennent pas en compte l effacement |
| 04:22 |
|
paul |
c'est un pb de shell |
| 04:22 |
|
osmoze |
il faut utiliser quoi ? |
| 04:22 |
|
osmoze |
zsh ? |
| 04:22 |
|
osmoze |
ou un autre ? |
| 04:23 |
|
paul |
bash fonctionne bie d'hab |
| 04:23 |
|
paul |
(bien) |
| 04:24 |
|
osmoze |
hum... |
| 04:24 |
|
osmoze |
GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 04:24 |
|
osmoze |
je vais essayer de voir avec une nouvelle version, c est peut etre ma version, ou ma conf :( |
| 05:22 |
|
sylvain |
hi |
| 08:33 |
|
hdl |
hi owen. |
| 08:33 |
|
hdl |
many thx |
| 08:33 |
|
owen |
Hi |
| 08:33 |
|
hdl |
for changing topic. |
| 08:34 |
|
owen |
No problem. |
| 09:12 |
|
owen |
Hi paul |
| 09:12 |
|
paul |
hello owen |
| 09:15 |
|
ryanbisd |
good morning! |
| 09:16 |
|
owen |
Uh oh, it's ryanbisd! Everyone look busy!! |
| 09:16 |
|
owen |
;) |
| 09:16 |
|
ryanbisd |
`ha... |
| 09:17 |
|
ryanbisd |
Not at work today... |
| 09:17 |
|
ryanbisd |
so, no questions really.... just bowsing. |
| 09:18 |
|
ryanbisd |
actually... I do have a question, but its about tar.... |
| 09:20 |
|
kados |
shoot away |
| 09:21 |
|
ryanbisd |
is there a way to tar a whole dir, and its sub dirs... but, as its creating the tar file, it deletes the original files and dirs? |
| 09:22 |
|
ryanbisd |
to save HD space more or less.. |
| 09:25 |
|
kados |
sure is |
| 09:25 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 09:26 |
|
kados |
there's a --remove-files option |
| 09:27 |
|
kados |
so probably something like |
| 09:27 |
|
kados |
ar -cvzf --remove-files foo.tgz directoryname |
| 09:27 |
|
kados |
tar even ;-) |
| 09:27 |
|
kados |
oughta do the trick |
| 09:28 |
|
ryanbisd |
so, it would be "tar -cvz /dir > dir.tgz --remove-files |
| 09:28 |
|
ryanbisd |
oh... |
| 09:29 |
|
kados |
hmmm ... |
| 09:29 |
|
kados |
that's not the default tar syntax IIRC |
| 09:29 |
|
kados |
but it might work with your shell |
| 09:32 |
|
osmoze |
++ |
| 09:33 |
|
ryanbisd |
alrght... so, the syntax I used worked, but... does it delete them as its making the .tar, or after? |
| 09:34 |
|
ryanbisd |
reason being.. I set up a small file server on a computer, but the files are 9 gigs, and I only used a small 10 gig HD so if I tar it up.. it will exceed disk space |
| 09:35 |
|
ryanbisd |
I want to them up, and put them on the new file server... |
| 09:35 |
|
ryanbisd |
insert "tar" |
| 09:35 |
|
kados |
ryanbisd: right ... well you'd have to look at the docs ... but I suspect it does them at the same time as it archives them |
| 09:35 |
|
kados |
try the man pages |
| 09:35 |
|
ryanbisd |
cool.. |
| 09:36 |
|
ryanbisd |
Now... can I move that one .tar file between the systems without ftp? like thru ssh? |
| 09:36 |
|
kados |
yea |
| 09:36 |
|
kados |
scp is what you're looking for |
| 09:37 |
|
ryanbisd |
thanks |
| 09:55 |
|
thd |
kados: you had briefly suggested that the MARC record would be stored as a single entity for Zebra. Wouldn't you still need a data model that dealt properly with all the record fields, indicators, and subfields for editing a record and creating a new record? |
| 09:55 |
|
kados |
thd: yep ... any suggestions? |
| 09:57 |
|
thd |
kados: no, but there is some work at the University of North Texas, they have a $200,000 grant. |
| 09:57 |
|
kados |
thd: they have a 200K grant to work on Koha? |
| 09:58 |
|
thd |
:) |
| 09:58 |
|
kados |
thd: or on a data model for dealing with marc? |
| 09:58 |
|
kados |
thd: :-) |
| 09:58 |
|
kados |
thd: isn't north texas the site that recently went with indexdata's keystone instead of webfeat? |
| 09:59 |
|
thd |
kados: they are studying the usage of MARC fields and have a mapping of MARC in MYSQL |
| 09:59 |
|
kados |
interesting ... |
| 09:59 |
|
kados |
but we're actually moving away from the model |
| 09:59 |
|
kados |
s/the/that/ |
| 10:00 |
|
kados |
SQL isn't really good at dealing with textual data |
| 10:00 |
|
kados |
it's much better at factual data |
| 10:00 |
|
kados |
statuses and such |
| 10:00 |
|
thd |
kados: yes but the catalog module needs to work with data parsed in some fashion |
| 10:01 |
|
kados |
thd: MARC::Record ;-) |
| 10:03 |
|
thd |
kados: oh yes, insert delete, etc. on the record itself. :) |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
thd: yep |
| 10:03 |
|
thd |
kados: I am happy now :-] |
| 10:07 |
|
thd |
kados: before there were tools like MARC::Record or even MARC-SGML if you remember that I had to write my own equivalent to MODS and found that much preferable as a text model to using a relational database. |
| 10:11 |
|
thd |
thd: I quickly discovered the limit of MODS type mappings, lacking an element to element correspondence with MARC. Using MARC::Record will be fantastic though. I am very happy, indeed :] |
| 10:12 |
|
thd |
kados: I do not know about keystone vs. webfeat at UNT |
| 10:21 |
|
thd |
kados: What time frame did you discuss with Index Data? |
| 10:23 |
|
kados |
thd: timeframe for what? |
| 10:24 |
|
thd |
kados: having Zebra fully integrated into Koha |
| 10:25 |
|
kados |
thd: well that's something that indexdata's not doing for us ... they are more of a consultant on how to do it best |
| 10:26 |
|
kados |
thd: I'm doing an announcement tomorrow about it |
| 10:26 |
|
kados |
thd: so stay tuned |
| 10:26 |
|
thd |
thd holds breath until tomorrow |
| 10:47 |
|
owen |
Can anyone tell me how the 'link' function works in opac-MARCdetail? |
| 10:47 |
|
paul |
yes, I can. |
| 10:47 |
|
owen |
Please! |
| 10:48 |
|
paul |
if you want to have a small glass before the field value, just enter something here. It means "do a search on this value on the (marc) field in <link>" |
| 10:48 |
|
paul |
for example : |
| 10:48 |
|
paul |
in unimarc, publisher is in 210$a |
| 10:48 |
|
paul |
if you put a '210a' in link |
| 10:49 |
|
paul |
then, when you clic on the glass, you search for all biblios from this publisher |
| 10:49 |
|
paul |
sometimes you can find interesting to search on a field that is not 'himself'. |
| 10:50 |
|
owen |
? |
| 10:50 |
|
paul |
for example, for libraries that have authors as subject. |
| 10:50 |
|
owen |
Where do you enter the link? |
| 10:50 |
|
paul |
'victor hugo' is the subject of the book, but when you clic on 'victor hugo', if you have put '200f' in link, you search for book FROM victor hugo |
| 10:51 |
|
paul |
in marcsubfieldstructure.pl |
| 10:51 |
|
paul |
(default template) |
| 10:52 |
|
sylvain |
paul, what's the difference with thesaurus ? |
| 10:52 |
|
owen |
Hmm... I'm still a little confused |
| 10:52 |
|
sylvain |
(autorités) |
| 10:52 |
|
owen |
So, say you have an author... |
| 10:52 |
|
owen |
You edit the link for the author tag, and link it to another kind of search, like a subject search? |
| 10:52 |
|
paul |
yes. |
| 10:52 |
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owen |
Can you put more than one tag in the link? |
| 10:53 |
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paul |
(but that's not a common use I agree) |
| 10:53 |
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paul |
sylvain : the most common use is with thesaurus. But it does not rely on thesaurus |
| 10:53 |
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paul |
(sylvain : bonjour) |
| 10:54 |
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paul |
it also works without. |
| 10:54 |
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sylvain |
bonjour paul en effet |
| 10:54 |
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sylvain |
yes paul but when there's a thesaurus, isn't it a "double-emploi" ? |
| 10:54 |
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owen |
Not a common use? What would you consider a common use? The subject -> author link you described? |
| 10:55 |
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sylvain |
but I must admit that I 'haven't tried this function so maybe I dismiss |
| 11:05 |
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hdl |
sylvain : the difference is that it can be used on simple 200f MARC field for instance. |
| 11:06 |
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hdl |
If you would like to get all the books that one person has collaborate to, you can with clicking on this glass. |
| 11:07 |
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hdl |
IF the fields link and seealso are well informed. |
| 11:07 |
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sylvain |
yes hdl but if the person is an authority you can also :) |
| 11:07 |
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sylvain |
but it's sure that's it's easier not to have to define autorities |
| 11:07 |
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hdl |
Sure, But If you want only Richard Bachmann books, how can you make it out ? |
| 11:08 |
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hdl |
This will do the job |
| 11:08 |
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hdl |
;) |
| 11:08 |
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hdl |
Richard Bachmann is also known as Stephen King... |
| 11:08 |
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sylvain |
I really must look this new function ;) |
| 11:10 |
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sylvain |
what about the user manueal projet ? When is it previewed to be released ? |
