| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:37 |
|
indradg |
kados, around? |
| 13:17 |
|
owen |
I haven't seen kados this afternoon. |
| 13:24 |
|
kados |
indradg: I"m here now ... what's up? |
| 14:54 |
|
owen |
kados: are you still around? |
| 15:02 |
|
owen |
The new permissions sytem seems to work great, but I'm confused about how the flags settings work in the scripts |
| 15:02 |
|
owen |
The admin-home page, for instance, has this: |
| 15:02 |
|
owen |
authnotrequired => 0, |
| 15:02 |
|
owen |
flagsrequired => {parameters => 1, management => 1, tools => 1}, |
| 15:03 |
|
owen |
It's not that you have to have all those flags set to access the page, it seems like that's listing what flags are /checked/ on the page. |
| 15:04 |
|
owen |
Is that correct? |
| 15:04 |
|
owen |
If so, it would mean you'd have to specify *every* flag in every script, since the site-wide navigation needs to be customized based on permissions |
| 15:05 |
|
owen |
(well, almost every flag) |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
owen: I'm not sure about that |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
I wonder if it defaults to certain values if you don't specify |
| 15:16 |
|
indradg |
kados, remember I spoke to u abt my corrupted marc_words table... well i did a REPAIR table, the table is back but some of the data is missing |
| 15:17 |
|
kados |
hmmm, do you have a bakup? |
| 15:17 |
|
kados |
backup even? |
| 15:17 |
|
indradg |
chris suggested that I try dropping the marc_* tables and re-run koha2marc.pl to rebuild the marc_* tables |
| 15:18 |
|
kados |
yep you could do that ... there's actually a script written by me in misc that builds it for you thou ;-) |
| 15:18 |
|
kados |
and it optimizes it along the way ;-) |
| 15:18 |
|
indradg |
and that would be? |
| 15:18 |
|
kados |
build_marcword or something |
| 15:18 |
|
kados |
lemme look |
| 15:19 |
|
kados |
yea build_marc_word.pl ;-) |
| 15:19 |
|
kados |
in misc |
| 15:19 |
|
kados |
you have marc21 right? |
| 15:19 |
|
indradg |
right |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
ok ... and double check the holdings tag for your library ... |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
I think the script uses 942k |
| 15:20 |
|
indradg |
ok |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
if your library doesn't use that you'll need to replace '942k' with whatever your library uses |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
other than that it should work ... |
| 15:21 |
|
indradg |
holdings tag...that would the item specific stuff like barcodes et al ? |
| 15:24 |
|
indradg |
aah... i see... reading code always helps :P |
| 15:24 |
|
indradg |
sorry for the cluebie q :P |
| 15:25 |
|
indradg |
kados, u rock! thanks a ton! :) |
| 15:28 |
|
kados |
;-) np |
| 15:29 |
|
owen |
Hmm... I must be wrong about the flags. It looks like you don't have to specify the flags in each script. |
| 15:29 |
|
kados |
that's a relief ;-) |
| 15:29 |
|
owen |
(that certainly makes more sense) |
| 15:30 |
|
owen |
I'm not sure why admin-home.pl has the code it does |
| 15:46 |
|
mike_here |
<i>michael</i> will have to wait too... until May 9 to meet Paul again ;-) |
| 15:46 |
|
michael |
hi everyone |
| 15:47 |
|
michael |
anyone have news from Nelsonville these last few days ?... hum... must be exciting to leave his country like Paul does :-@ |
| 15:48 |
|
michael |
just back home for me... i send a msg to russell @ kapito not long ago... is he came here sometimes ? |
| 15:48 |
|
michael |
thanx |
| 15:48 |
|
owen |
We had a very enjoyable and informative meeting with Paul and his travelling companions |
| 15:50 |
|
michael |
cool ;-) |
| 15:50 |
|
michael |
did Paul and his companions still "travel" around Nelsonville ? or is he already on the way home ??? |
| 15:51 |
|
michael |
you know : i'm curious and very big fan of "PaulPoul" |
| 15:53 |
|
michael |
or "tipaul" if you prefer this nickname... my girlfriend Marilyne is already "sick" about "PaulPoul" because i sometimes speak too much of him and his great msg on the french list |
| 15:53 |
|
michael |
she said i'll be decieved when i meet him again in May... but i guess she's wrong and a little jalous too ;-) |
| 15:53 |
|
owen |
They're probably at the airport in Columbus, OH right now |
| 15:54 |
|
owen |
They'll be on the plane in another couple of hours |
| 15:54 |
|
michael |
i rather think i 'm "in love with" Marilyne but also "found of" PaulPoul... she tells me i'im crazy... |
| 15:54 |
|
michael |
OH... i guess i will dreamt of PaulPoul this night :-| in the plane to go back home... |
| 15:55 |
|
owen |
Yes, so he probably won't be here in #koha tonight ;) |
| 15:56 |
|
michael |
... hum... is it true that some libraries in Canada or Québec (french Canada) are, as far as i heard, are interested in Koha ??? |
| 15:56 |
|
michael |
Marilyne (who's not in my appartment right now) had tripped to Quebec... |
| 15:57 |
|
michael |
oh :-/ bye owen... |
| 15:57 |
|
michael |
see u next time... |
| 15:57 |
|
michael |
oki... so am i... i'll go to zzzleeeppsoon... |
| 15:57 |
|
kados |
michael: take care ;-) |
| 15:57 |
|
michael |
thanx |
| 15:58 |
|
michael |
so do you |
| 16:04 |
|
michael |
hum i think i sleep well... Ohio's not so far from Canada... when you see this map on the Internet http://freepages.genealogy.roo[…]ed_States_Map.jpg |
| 16:04 |
|
michael |
so there is still hope that maybe somedays Marilyne will go again in Canada... and maybe with a kind of new family this time... |
| 16:04 |
|
michael |
sorry i dream awake on IRC... guess go really sleep |
| 16:04 |
|
michael |
bye ;-) |
| 16:34 |
|
rach |
hello |
| 16:53 |
|
kados |
hi rach |
| 16:59 |
|
rach |
hi, lib lime is looking good |
| 17:10 |
|
kados |
thanks! |
| 17:49 |
|
kados |
chris: I've a search idea ... like some feedback |
| 17:49 |
|
kados |
so currently we've got a marc_word table |
| 17:50 |
|
kados |
every marc word every time it appears |
| 17:50 |
|
kados |
paul's brilliant idea was to have marc_words |
| 17:50 |
|
kados |
where every marc word only appears once per tagsubfield |
| 17:51 |
|
kados |
and a there is a 'itemnumbers' column for all the items that have that word (in csv) |
| 17:51 |
|
kados |
but that's problematic for updating eh? |
| 17:51 |
|
kados |
so here's the idea |
| 17:52 |
|
kados |
we have instead an identifier for each word |
| 17:52 |
|
kados |
then another table with the itemnumbers and ids |
| 17:52 |
|
kados |
AND the complete display for the OPAC/Intranet |
| 17:52 |
|
kados |
so there are two queries ... |
| 17:53 |
|
kados |
one to get the id for the words |
| 17:53 |
|
kados |
and one to get everything else |
| 17:53 |
|
kados |
what do you think? |
| 17:55 |
|
chris |
hmmm |
| 17:56 |
|
rach |
but IANAP :-) |
| 17:57 |
|
chris |
itll depend on how fast you can get those queries going |
| 17:58 |
|
chris |
and making sure that all updates modify all the tables |
| 18:02 |
|
kados |
right ... if I were to test this theoretically I would probably set it up as a script to run nightly |
| 18:03 |
|
kados |
to rebuild the marc_words and marc_words_display tables |
| 18:03 |
|
chris |
yeah ... which would mean that potentially during the day you will be returning wrong results |
| 18:04 |
|
kados |
could be |
| 18:04 |
|
kados |
as far as speed goes here's an initial table estimate: |
| 18:04 |
|
kados |
select count(*) from marc_word: |
| 18:04 |
|
kados |
4630390 |
| 18:05 |
|
kados |
select count(distinct word, tagsubfield) from marc_word: |
| 18:05 |
|
kados |
543767 |
| 18:05 |
|
kados |
quite a difference |
| 18:05 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 18:06 |
|
kados |
rach: if you think this sounds slow you should see what we're doing now ;-) |
| 18:07 |
|
kados |
and the good news is that it levels out when your database grows |
| 18:07 |
|
kados |
cause all the words are already in there ;-) |
| 18:07 |
|
kados |
and you can do nifty ranking too (if a word occurs in more than one tagsubfield it has a higher ranking) |
| 18:08 |
|
chris |
true |
| 18:16 |
|
rach |
to see if she can convince anyone else it's a good plan :-) |
| 21:00 |
|
miklZzzzz |
i got an idea though i'm sleepy mind kados but it's EXPERIMENTAL |
| 21:01 |
|
miklZzzzz |
in informagik it's possible to do i suppose but what librarians will think of it and users too, i don't know : EXPERIMENTAL as i say, do you want to here it ??? or read i mean ??? |
| 21:02 |
|
miklZzzzz |
anyone here wants to here ? it's about moving books and people the same way with Koha ??? anyone ?? |
| 21:04 |
|
michael |
maybe i'll make a flop because its not "new at all" but if i don't share this idea soon i guess i will forget it one day... |
| 21:04 |
|
kados |
well ... ? |
| 21:04 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 21:04 |
|
michael |
so : imagine you have several branches |
| 21:05 |
|
michael |
let's name take 2 : TOTORO and NAUSICAA |
| 21:06 |
|
michael |
or more, that's not the key point... |
| 21:06 |
|
michael |
so the books of NAUSICAA branches are borrowed in NAUSICAA but the borrower like also to go in TOTORO |
| 21:07 |
|
kados |
so is this a consortia you're talking about? |
| 21:07 |
|
michael |
when the NAUSICAA books are "bipped" or scanner in TOTORO branch, the localisation changes "en temps réel" in real time |
| 21:07 |
|
michael |
this books are no localised in TOTORO branches and it changes it on the OPAC |
| 21:08 |
|
kados |
interesting |
| 21:08 |
|
kados |
I think paul may have a solution for that |
| 21:08 |
|
kados |
you should ask him when he is back |
| 21:08 |
|
michael |
users of NAUSICAA used to finds a book in particular in they local library dont find it anymore IF and ONLY IF the user themselves MAKE THE BOOKS MOVE |
| 21:09 |
|
michael |
in a way, PEOPLE are ACTIVE in the CIRCULATION of the BOOKS they borrowed... |
| 21:09 |
|
michael |
you follow ? |
| 21:09 |
|
kados |
yea ... that's neat |
| 21:10 |
|
kados |
but I doubt libraries would go for it ;-) |
| 21:10 |
|
kados |
they like to control the books ;-) |
| 21:10 |
|
michael |
YES because of the "poussiérieuse" notion of COLLECTION and PLACES we have when you learn this work... |
| 21:10 |
|
michael |
oki ;-) |
| 21:11 |
|
michael |
poussière = dust |
| 21:11 |
|
michael |
you say "dusty" ??? |
| 21:11 |
|
michael |
good night kados ;-) |
| 21:13 |
|
michael |
i stay and will concentrate on this shadoks' idea by reading a book :-) |
| 21:59 |
|
mkl_read |
rach, what kind of pictures u need ?? |
| 21:59 |
|
mkl_read |
drawning ? |
| 22:09 |
|
michael |
mkl_read |
| 22:22 |
|
rach |
hey, oh yes I need to draw some pictures to get it straight in my head |
