| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:00 |
|
paul |
(& maybe i'll run to 2.4 if i get a customer that want a lot of new features. but Koha is really a complete tool) |
| 12:00 |
|
paul |
(oups, it's 7PM in france...) |
| 12:00 |
|
paul |
i must leave for dinner |
| 12:00 |
|
paul |
(my wife arrives) |
| 12:00 |
|
kados |
take care paul |
| 14:01 |
|
JYL57 |
Hy everybody ! |
| 14:02 |
|
JYL57 |
I'm looking for some advice about two points : 1) our barcode device 2) the breeding farm import functionnality |
| 14:03 |
|
JYL57 |
Ok I'm starting with my first topic, the barcode |
| 14:03 |
|
JYL57 |
the model we've got comes from Taïwan |
| 14:04 |
|
JYL57 |
I've configured it to read ISBN codes and I do get the right digits |
| 14:04 |
|
JYL57 |
But for an unknown reason we don't get the hyphens |
| 14:05 |
|
JYL57 |
Did someone already experience such a problem ? |
| 14:05 |
|
JYL57 |
I've neglected these hyphen at first, but it becomes a potential problem now |
| 14:16 |
|
paul_away |
bonsoir jean yves |
| 14:16 |
|
paul_away |
(JYL57) |
| 14:17 |
|
JYL57 |
Salut Paul |
| 14:17 |
|
paul |
puor les - dans les codes barres, je crois que c'est habituel |
| 14:17 |
|
JYL57 |
As-tu reçu mon message de milieu de semaine ?! |
| 14:17 |
|
paul |
en tous cas, tous les lecteurs que j'ai utilisé/vus font ca |
| 14:17 |
|
paul |
mmm... fouille ses mails |
| 14:18 |
|
paul |
oui, je l'ai, mais je ne l'ai aps encore traité |
| 14:18 |
|
paul |
(absent toute la semaine dernière) |
| 14:18 |
|
JYL57 |
"font ça quoi ?!" ils prennent en compte les tirets ou pas ?! |
| 14:18 |
|
paul |
ils les éliminent |
| 14:18 |
|
JYL57 |
Pour mon mail = pas d'urgence ! |
| 14:18 |
|
paul |
et donc ils n'y sont pas |
| 14:19 |
|
JYL57 |
OK, mon problème c'est la BDP ! |
| 14:19 |
|
JYL57 |
Ils veulent des tirets pour à partir d'un fichier de codes barres aller rechercher les notices... |
| 14:19 |
|
paul |
pour les mails de js joliez et s plaudeix : |
| 14:19 |
|
paul |
je t'envoie un mail tout de suite |
| 14:19 |
|
JYL57 |
Mon client Z3950 ne marche pas encore... |
| 14:20 |
|
JYL57 |
Ok ! Mon challenge c'est ce vendredi ou je rencontre l'équipe pour faire un point sur l'informatisation de la bib |
| 14:21 |
|
paul |
le daemon z3950 est bien en marche ? |
| 14:21 |
|
paul |
pour les - dans les ISBN, quel est l'outil qui les impose ? tous ceux que je connais acceptent les isbn avec OU sans - |
| 14:22 |
|
JYL57 |
Non ! because j'ai pas tous les packages PERL requis... |
| 14:22 |
|
paul |
mmm... bizarre ca... tu as pu faire l'installq uand même ? |
| 14:22 |
|
JYL57 |
Je crois qu'aucun outil ne les impose ! |
| 14:22 |
|
paul |
on est d'accord, alors ou est le pb ? |
| 14:22 |
|
JYL57 |
Yes ! j'ai eu un warning, mais il est passé ! en 2.0 |
| 14:23 |
|
paul |
c'est yaz ? |
| 14:23 |
|
JYL57 |
oui, yaz ! |
| 14:23 |
|
paul |
il suffit de le télécharger, de le compiler. Ca passe sans pb sur un linux standard |
| 14:23 |
|
JYL57 |
Mon problème doit ressembler à ce que tu vis à longueur de journée = convaincre que ça fonctionne ! |
| 14:23 |
|
paul |
(c'est du C, donc il faut un gcc) |
| 14:24 |
|
JYL57 |
Je sais que ça va marcher, j'ai juste pas assez de temps... |
| 14:24 |
|
JYL57 |
La bibliothécaire que nous avons recruté est novice et ne comprends pas bien l'anglais... |
| 14:25 |
|
JYL57 |
Je dois trouver le temps de lui traduire l'essentiel et de la former |
| 14:25 |
|
paul |
peut etre qu'elle devrait appeler s plaudeix |
| 14:25 |
|
paul |
pour la formation, je mets, pour ce qui me concerne, 2 jours complets. |
| 14:25 |
|
JYL57 |
Pour sûr !! |
| 14:25 |
|
JYL57 |
Aie !! |
| 14:25 |
|
paul |
pourquoi ? |
| 14:25 |
|
paul |
aie ? |
| 14:25 |
|
JYL57 |
J'espérais ne pas devoir prendre autant de temps... |
| 14:26 |
|
JYL57 |
Pendant que tu es là, peut-on importer en masse sans rescanner l'ensemble des bouquins ?! |
| 14:26 |
|
paul |
bien sûr. |
| 14:26 |
|
paul |
misc/bulkmarcimport.pl est ton ami |
| 14:26 |
|
JYL57 |
Yes ! |
| 14:27 |
|
JYL57 |
Mais j'ai démarré "Learn PERL in 21 days" seulement il y a 3 jours !!LOL |
| 14:27 |
|
paul |
:-D |
| 14:28 |
|
paul |
si ton fichier est propre, ca marche sans modification particulière |
| 14:28 |
|
JYL57 |
Bon où en êtes-vous sur la 2.2 ?! |
| 14:28 |
|
paul |
le misc/dumpmarc.pl est aussi utile pour "analyser" un fichier iso2709 |
| 14:28 |
|
paul |
je suis en train de faire un mail avec tous les bugs recencés sur la 2.2 |
| 14:28 |
|
paul |
je corrige et on release. |
| 14:28 |
|
paul |
j'ai installé l'EMN la semaine dernière, ils sont satisfaits |
| 14:28 |
|
paul |
du niveau fonctionnel |
| 14:29 |
|
JYL57 |
Oui ! j'ai trouvé un équivalent qui lit le fichier Unimarc et le rend lisible (MARC.EXE sous Windows) |
| 14:29 |
|
paul |
il ne manque que les bugs à corriger |
| 14:29 |
|
JYL57 |
Donc à ton avis, il vaut mieux avancer sur la 2.2 |
| 14:30 |
|
JYL57 |
Nous pensons ouvrir au public dans quelques semaines... |
| 14:31 |
|
paul |
"quelques", ca fait combien ? |
| 14:31 |
|
paul |
2 => tro pcourt |
| 14:31 |
|
paul |
5 => ca devrait le faire |
| 14:31 |
|
JYL57 |
OK ! Je vais essayer de gagner ce temps ! |
| 14:31 |
|
paul |
je répète et rappelle que ma femme accouche d'ici 2 semaines, donc je serais moins présent pendant 2 ou 3 semaines |
| 14:31 |
|
paul |
et inutile de me demander de me déplacer loin de Marseille... |
| 14:31 |
|
JYL57 |
Ha super ! c'est ton premier ! |
| 14:32 |
|
paul |
que nenni. |
| 14:32 |
|
paul |
le 3 eme enfant |
| 14:32 |
|
paul |
le 3eme garçon |
| 14:32 |
|
JYL57 |
Comme moi ! |
| 14:32 |
|
paul |
le 3eme accouchement en septembre ! |
| 14:32 |
|
paul |
(c'est involontaire pour le mois ;-) ) |
| 14:32 |
|
JYL57 |
mes moi, j'ai deux filles ! ;-) |
| 14:32 |
|
paul |
(en + des 3 garçons ?) |
| 14:33 |
|
JYL57 |
NON, trois en tout ! ça fait déjà pas mal... |
| 14:33 |
|
paul |
certes, certes. |
| 14:33 |
|
JYL57 |
Pour aller + loin, il faut que je change d'épouse ! |
| 14:33 |
|
paul |
mais tout le monde dit que le 3eme s'élève tout seul ! |
| 14:33 |
|
paul |
mmm... pas forcément une bonne idée... |
| 14:33 |
|
paul |
(bientôt 10 ans de mariage pour moi. Maintenant que je suis habitué à ma femme, j'ai pas envie de changer :-D ) |
| 14:33 |
|
JYL57 |
T'as raison ! Plus ça va, plus c'est facile (c'est toujours les mecs qui disent ça !) |
| 14:34 |
|
JYL57 |
Moi non plus je ne veux pas changer ! |
| 14:34 |
|
JYL57 |
Pour tes interventions, je pense qu'une assistance à distance nous suffirait ! |
| 14:34 |
|
JYL57 |
Avec un accès OpenSSh sur notre serveur si besoin est ! |
| 14:35 |
|
JYL57 |
J'en ai marre moi aussi des déplacements professionnels ! |
| 14:35 |
|
paul |
probablement, surtout si tu es là en 1er déffrichage |
| 14:35 |
|
paul |
pour le contrat, inutile de contacter doXulting, c'est pas leur métier |
| 14:35 |
|
paul |
leur métier, c'est AVANT l'installation du logiciel |
| 14:35 |
|
JYL57 |
Ouais, je suis là jusqu'aux prochaines élections, mais plus après si Koha merde ! :-D |
| 14:36 |
|
paul |
inutile de contacter Linagora, ils sont hors de vos tarifs à priori |
| 14:36 |
|
JYL57 |
Ok ! |
| 14:36 |
|
paul |
pas de panique, Koha ne merdera pas ;-) |
| 14:36 |
|
paul |
surtout si je jette un oeil avant mise en production.. |
| 14:36 |
|
JYL57 |
Ok ! again |
| 14:36 |
|
paul |
le vrai problème, c'est la documentation, je pense; |
| 14:36 |
|
paul |
on n'a rien de décent en fait |
| 14:37 |
|
paul |
ni en Fr ni en En |
| 14:37 |
|
JYL57 |
Ouais, ça craint ! |
| 14:37 |
|
JYL57 |
Il faut relancer une doc en anglais ! |
| 14:37 |
|
paul |
héhé... ce n'est pas à moi d'écrire la doc |
| 14:37 |
|
paul |
je ferais un truc illisible & pas utilisable |
| 14:38 |
|
paul |
donc il faut un/des volontaires. |
| 14:38 |
|
paul |
et ca ne court pas les rues. |
| 14:38 |
|
JYL57 |
Etape 1 = un document avec l'arborescence des menus et des copies d'écran |
| 14:38 |
|
JYL57 |
Est-ce que vous bougez encore beaucoup l'interface ?! |
| 14:39 |
|
JYL57 |
Stephen Hedge fait du bon boulot avec l'aide en ligne !! |
| 14:40 |
|
JYL57 |
Ok Paul, je retourne à mes occupations Serveur |
| 14:41 |
|
paul |
a bientôt |
| 14:41 |
|
JYL57 |
Merci pour les @ mails |
| 14:41 |
|
paul |
pour l'interface, ca ne bougera plus |
| 14:41 |
|
paul |
ou très peu |
| 14:41 |
|
JYL57 |
A bientôt et bon courage pour la chasse aux bugs ! |
| 14:41 |
|
paul |
merci |
| 16:28 |
|
rach |
hello |
| 16:52 |
|
rosa |
morning |
| 02:20 |
|
chris |
hi paul |
| 02:20 |
|
paul |
hi chris |
| 02:21 |
|
chris |
hows things over there? the storm gone? |
| 02:21 |
|
paul |
the storm ? which one ? |
| 02:23 |
|
chris |
i think on saturday ur time |
| 02:23 |
|
chris |
apparently it damaged the Team NZ yacht |
| 02:23 |
|
paul |
ah, ok. I understand why you know we had a storm a few days ago ;-) |
| 02:23 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 02:23 |
|
paul |
in fact, it was not like Ivan in Cuba today |
| 02:24 |
|
paul |
but it's true I was awaken by the ligthnings |
| 02:24 |
|
chris |
yeah that was amazing 300+ kmph winds |
| 02:30 |
|
chris |
i worked out i can install koha 2.0.1 in 8 minutes the other day |
| 02:30 |
|
chris |
(did fifteen installs) |
| 02:30 |
|
paul |
installing 2.2 will be faster : you have an option to get parameters from a file ;-) |
| 02:30 |
|
chris |
ahh excellent |
| 02:30 |
|
paul |
with uninstall.pl, it's highly easier to test releases ! |
| 02:31 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 02:31 |
|
chris |
i think we might have a new QA person |
| 02:31 |
|
chris |
which would be good |
| 02:31 |
|
paul |
GOOD new |
| 02:31 |
|
paul |
GREAT news in fact. |
| 02:32 |
|
paul |
who is it? |
| 02:32 |
|
chris |
one of the katipo project managers |
| 02:32 |
|
chris |
russel |
| 02:32 |
|
paul |
Great, really great. |
| 02:32 |
|
paul |
I think our future will be : |
| 02:32 |
|
paul |
* Argentina team 2.4 release manager (i didn't ask them yet) |
| 02:32 |
|
paul |
* me release maintainer for 2.2 |
| 02:33 |
|
paul |
* Russel QA manager |
| 02:33 |
|
chris |
yeah, they are doing some nea things |
| 02:33 |
|
paul |
* ?? kaitiaki |
| 02:33 |
|
chris |
neat |
| 02:33 |
|
paul |
* ?? doc manager |
| 02:33 |
|
chris |
rachel was talking about being kaitiaki |
| 02:33 |
|
paul |
yes, i remember. |
| 02:33 |
|
chris |
as i dont think anyone else wants to |
| 02:33 |
|
chris |
(its too hard a job for me :-)) |
| 02:33 |
|
paul |
so, we just lack a doc manager that can work really on the doc. |
| 02:34 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 02:34 |
|
paul |
i'm trying to do something for french documentation. |
| 02:34 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 02:34 |
|
chris |
i wonder if regula might want to do it |
| 02:34 |
|
chris |
she would be good because she speaks some german, i think is quite fluent in french, and is very fluent in english |
| 02:35 |
|
chris |
plus is a librarian |
| 02:35 |
|
paul |
i've met a company that sells doc platforms. it's the company that helps mandrake doing their doc |
| 02:36 |
|
chris |
ahh |
| 02:36 |
|
paul |
it would cost some money, but will be a professional help (tech & writing) |
| 02:36 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 02:36 |
|
paul |
I'll speak of this soon. |
| 02:36 |
|
chris |
that might be what we need |
| 02:36 |
|
paul |
maybe we could organise an IRC meeting in a few days/weeks. |
| 02:36 |
|
chris |
sounds like a good idea |
| 02:36 |
|
paul |
could you ask for this pls ? |
| 02:37 |
|
chris |
sometime before the 26th |
| 02:37 |
|
chris |
yep, ill do that |
| 02:37 |
|
paul |
(on sep, 29, my 3rd son is planned to birth) |
| 02:37 |
|
chris |
congrats |
| 02:37 |
|
chris |
october 10 im getting married |
| 02:38 |
|
paul |
(so i'm always at home, i don't want to miss this event ;-) ) |
| 02:38 |
|
paul |
yes, i remember. |
| 02:38 |
|
chris |
so sep 26th we are off to the us |
| 02:38 |
|
paul |
we spoke of this a few months ago |
| 02:38 |
|
chris |
right |
| 02:38 |
|
chris |
i hope to catch up with the npl ppl |
| 02:38 |
|
chris |
again |
| 02:38 |
|
paul |
could you remember me who is the wife ? |
| 02:38 |
|
chris |
laurel |
| 02:39 |
|
chris |
she is an art teacher here in new zealand, who emigrated from the usa |
| 02:39 |
|
paul |
don't forget to put pictures of the wedding ceremony on the net ;-) |
| 02:39 |
|
chris |
will do :-) |
| 02:39 |
|
paul |
art teacher. With a computer scientist ! |
| 02:39 |
|
paul |
wow ! |
| 02:39 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 02:39 |
|
chris |
programming is art :-) |
| 02:39 |
|
paul |
childrens may be very intelligent ;-) |
| 02:40 |
|
chris |
i tease her, and say its all just mathematics |
| 02:40 |
|
chris |
i was thinking next year might be time for a koha conference :-) |
| 02:41 |
|
paul |
yes. just need to define in which country... |
| 02:41 |
|
chris |
yeah, probably in europe i think |
| 02:41 |
|
chris |
its quite inexpensive from the US to europe |
| 02:42 |
|
chris |
or maybe south america we could all go to argentina :-) |
| 02:42 |
|
chris |
i think nz would be nice, but too expensive to fly here for most people |
| 02:42 |
|
paul |
yes, right for NZ |
| 02:43 |
|
paul |
argentina may be possible. |
| 02:43 |
|
chris |
i wonder if nz or france are touring argentina for rugby ? :-) |
| 02:44 |
|
paul |
mmm... something like 1000Euros for france=> buenos aires |
| 02:44 |
|
chris |
hmm thats quite expensive |
| 02:45 |
|
paul |
(on phone) |
| 02:45 |
|
chris |
maybe we can sponsored :-) |
| 02:46 |
|
chris |
maybe we can get sponsored i mean |
| 07:36 |
|
paul |
hi emiliano |
| 07:36 |
|
emiliano |
Hi everybody |
| 07:36 |
|
paul |
good morning |
| 07:36 |
|
paul |
(i'm alone) |
| 07:36 |
|
emiliano |
good morning! |
| 07:37 |
|
paul |
(no, good evening for me ;-) ) |
| 07:37 |
|
emiliano |
what time is it in France? |
| 07:37 |
|
emiliano |
oh yes! |
| 07:37 |
|
paul |
(mm... afternoon is better : 3PM here) |
| 07:37 |
|
emiliano |
ok |
| 07:37 |
|
emiliano |
did you receive my mail paul? |
| 07:37 |
|
paul |
I think you should read IRC logs from yesterday & today |
| 07:37 |
|
emiliano |
ups |
| 07:37 |
|
emiliano |
something important? |
| 07:38 |
|
paul |
yep. I didn't had time to give your a try to your code |
| 07:38 |
|
paul |
but i still plan to include it for official release |
| 07:38 |
|
emiliano |
ok |
| 07:38 |
|
paul |
yes, something important. At least I think |
| 07:38 |
|
paul |
(yesterday when I spoke with kados, today with chris) |
| 07:39 |
|
emiliano |
URL of logs? |
| 07:39 |
|
emiliano |
www.koha.org something |
| 07:39 |
|
paul |
www.koha.org/irc iirc |
| 07:39 |
|
emiliano |
ok |
| 07:41 |
|
emiliano |
jajajajaj!!!! Argetina for a conference |
| 07:41 |
|
emiliano |
is great!! |
| 07:41 |
|
paul |
I was not speaking of this.. |
| 07:41 |
|
paul |
continue reading ;-) |
| 07:43 |
|
paul |
(what is "strange" is that Argentina may be the world center for Koha project => same distance for most of the ppl involved in the project) |
| 07:43 |
|
paul |
(France / US / NZ / Australia) |
| 07:43 |
|
emiliano |
ok |
| 07:45 |
|
emiliano |
(I'm still reading...) |
| 07:45 |
|
paul |
search for 2.4 release manager proposal |
| 07:47 |
|
emiliano |
ok, I will propose to our authorities |
| 07:47 |
|
emiliano |
purpose |
| 07:47 |
|
emiliano |
could you send me an email? |
| 07:47 |
|
paul |
what kind of email ? |
| 07:48 |
|
emiliano |
the proposal is that our team could be the 2.4 manager? |
| 07:49 |
|
paul |
could you explain what you would do with such a mail ? |
| 07:49 |
|
emiliano |
to present to our authorities |
| 07:50 |
|
emiliano |
our project has 14 month |
| 07:50 |
|
paul |
but is it to ask for a "OK, I agree", or to say "hey, look, we are the best and you were right to fund us" ? |
| 07:50 |
|
emiliano |
jajaja |
| 07:50 |
|
paul |
the mail wouldn't be the same. |
| 07:50 |
|
emiliano |
no, I work for the National Ministry of Education also |
| 07:50 |
|
emiliano |
here in Argentina |
| 07:51 |
|
paul |
(i'm not joking, i'm asking. political things are very important) |
| 07:51 |
|
emiliano |
I will not "use" it |
| 07:51 |
|
emiliano |
I will propose to take a major involvement |
| 07:52 |
|
emiliano |
3 babies 3 sons 3erd in Sept |
| 07:52 |
|
emiliano |
jajajaja |
| 07:52 |
|
emiliano |
! |
| 07:52 |
|
emiliano |
congratulations! |
| 07:52 |
|
paul |
thanks |
| 07:53 |
|
emiliano |
I have informed that you cannot to come to Argentina because you're waiting |
| 07:53 |
|
emiliano |
for a child |
| 07:53 |
|
emiliano |
my boss is a woman |
| 07:53 |
|
emiliano |
and you wantos to help your wife |
| 07:54 |
|
emiliano |
my boss has told: aaaaaahhhh, he's adorable! |
| 07:57 |
|
emiliano |
ok. I've read it all |
| 07:57 |
|
emiliano |
if you can send me an email I will purpose to be the R2.4 manager to my boss |
| 08:22 |
|
emiliano |
paul are you there? |
| 08:22 |
|
paul |
yes |
| 08:22 |
|
emiliano |
here |
| 08:22 |
|
emiliano |
ok |
| 08:22 |
|
emiliano |
when will it be the irc meeting? |
| 08:22 |
|
emiliano |
has been defined? |
| 08:22 |
|
paul |
still to be decided. |
| 08:22 |
|
emiliano |
ah ok |
| 08:22 |
|
paul |
chris will send a mail about this |
| 08:22 |
|
paul |
on koha-devel |
| 08:22 |
|
emiliano |
ok ok |
| 08:23 |
|
emiliano |
I leave. Regards paul |
| 08:23 |
|
paul |
but should occur soon |
| 08:23 |
|
paul |
(the irc meeting) |
| 08:23 |
|
paul |
bye |
| 08:23 |
|
emiliano |
If need something from matias write him |
| 08:23 |
|
paul |
ko |
| 08:23 |
|
paul |
ok |
| 08:24 |
|
emiliano |
good bye |
| 09:41 |
|
emiliano |
I'm again |
| 09:41 |
|
emiliano |
paul are you here? |
| 09:41 |
|
paul |
yep |
| 09:41 |
|
emiliano |
should I download from R_2-1 |
| 09:41 |
|
emiliano |
or simply koha tag |
| 09:42 |
|
emiliano |
from cvs |
| 09:42 |
|
emiliano |
to remain updated? |
| 09:42 |
|
paul |
simply from HEAD |
| 09:42 |
|
emiliano |
ok |
| 09:42 |
|
paul |
so, without any tags |
| 09:45 |
|
emiliano |
in this week will try to merge our changes and upload to R_2-4 |
| 09:45 |
|
paul |
nice news |
| 09:45 |
|
emiliano |
our add-ons |
| 09:46 |
|
paul |
did you write a 2.4 roamap ? |
| 09:46 |
|
paul |
on the wiki |
| 09:46 |
|
emiliano |
no, my fault |
| 09:46 |
|
emiliano |
could we post it in our site and link from wiki |
| 09:46 |
|
paul |
if it's in english & can be modified by anyone, no problems |
| 09:47 |
|
emiliano |
ok |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
i'll complete with my ideas, so anyone needs to be able to do modifs |
| 09:48 |
|
emiliano |
ok |
| 11:51 |
|
tim |
Hey owen |
| 11:51 |
|
owen |
Hi tim |
| 11:51 |
|
tim |
I was wondering how long it was between the time you started you Koha project to the time you started using it. |
| 11:52 |
|
owen |
Well, it's hard to say, because when we started looking at Koha originally (at least two years ago), it wasn't really ready for use--it didn't have MARC support yet. |
| 11:53 |
|
owen |
We probably spent a few months at least figuring out how to get our data out of our old system and into Koha. |
| 11:54 |
|
tim |
I've spent more than that on it. |
| 11:54 |
|
tim |
When it comes to this stuff there is no 'we' here. |
| 11:55 |
|
owen |
We had two people working (although not full-time) on getting Koha's back end going, and one person (me) working on completely overhauling the front end. |
| 11:56 |
|
tim |
It's just me working on it here and I'm learning along the way. |
| 11:56 |
|
owen |
We'd still be waiting if it had just been me! |
| 11:58 |
|
tim |
It's almost time to pay the yearly fee on our current system and they want results on this project. I think they'll need to go another year. |
| 11:59 |
|
owen |
That's a tough choice--one that we faced as well. But we were determined to make the switch. Having gotten the data migrated was really the clincher. If we hadn't gotten that done, we would have been stuck. |
