| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 23:54 |
|
indradg |
rach: r u online? |
| 00:05 |
|
rach |
yes |
| 00:05 |
|
indradg |
hi |
| 00:05 |
|
rach |
hi :-) |
| 00:05 |
|
indradg |
got a question for u... is the websites table linked to the Koha interface? |
| 00:06 |
|
rach |
I think so yes |
| 00:06 |
|
indradg |
ok |
| 00:06 |
|
rach |
it's if you want to use the current koha templates that you would need to use it |
| 00:06 |
|
rach |
whereas if you are just going to display the marc using that interface, you wouldn't |
| 00:06 |
|
rach |
does that make sense? |
| 00:06 |
|
indradg |
aah... i'm afraid u lost me there :( |
| 00:07 |
|
rach |
Hokay - now I should confess that I am not a programmer |
| 00:07 |
|
rach |
so I have been known to get a bit confused myself |
| 00:07 |
|
indradg |
i'm not a librarian... just the resident linux tech at our place |
| 00:07 |
|
rach |
but as I understand it |
| 00:07 |
|
indradg |
lol |
| 00:08 |
|
rach |
there are essentially 2 databases and interfaces running at the same time |
| 00:08 |
|
rach |
the simplest is the original "koha" database and interface |
| 00:08 |
|
indradg |
right... i understand that |
| 00:08 |
|
rach |
which has the "nice" displays |
| 00:08 |
|
indradg |
:) |
| 00:08 |
|
rach |
then Paul has given people the ability to actually see the MARC directly as well |
| 00:09 |
|
rach |
and to search it |
| 00:09 |
|
indradg |
and we are using MARC here |
| 00:09 |
|
rach |
so if you were happy to do everything in "MARC mode" (on the catalogue display side of things), you might not need to populate that table |
| 00:09 |
|
rach |
but basically it's pretty ugly to actually display everything that way |
| 00:10 |
|
rach |
does that make more sense? |
| 00:10 |
|
rach |
using MARC is something that everyone does |
| 00:11 |
|
rach |
but not everyone chooses to actually *look* at the MARC |
| 00:11 |
|
rach |
other than to get the data into the system |
| 00:12 |
|
rach |
It doesn't help that the MARC view templates are broken in our version here |
| 00:13 |
|
indradg |
i get u... believe me after from the head lib here and me no one else even wants to know abt MARC :-) |
| 00:13 |
|
rach |
lol |
| 00:13 |
|
indradg |
s/after/apart/ |
| 00:13 |
|
rach |
http://library.katipo.co.nz/cg[…]detail.pl?bib=135 |
| 00:14 |
|
chris |
im pretty sure the websties table is not for cataloguing websites, its for adding links to other |
| 00:14 |
|
chris |
a website is just an itemtype |
| 00:14 |
|
indradg |
u r using the vanilla template there? |
| 00:15 |
|
chris |
but the websites table allows u to associate 1 or many urls with a biblio |
| 00:15 |
|
chris |
ie u can have a book |
| 00:15 |
|
chris |
and then 5 links to reviews |
| 00:15 |
|
chris |
of that book |
| 00:16 |
|
indradg |
ok |
| 00:16 |
|
chris |
its a separate table so that it can handle the 1 to n relationship |
| 00:16 |
|
rach |
urg |
| 00:17 |
|
indradg |
essentially what we are looking for is not just an ILS/OPAC for books, rather we want is catalogue electronic materials we are generating as well as links to online resources |
| 00:17 |
|
chris |
right |
| 00:17 |
|
chris |
those are just different itemtypes |
| 00:18 |
|
chris |
so dont need that table |
| 00:18 |
|
chris |
that table is for linking material about an item |
| 00:18 |
|
indradg |
chris: howdy?? |
| 00:18 |
|
rach |
chris - on our site - http://koha.katipo.co.nz/cgi-b[…]ype=intra&bib=135 |
| 00:18 |
|
rach |
then it's the additional web links? |
| 00:19 |
|
chris |
thats right |
| 00:19 |
|
chris |
its urls "about" the item |
| 00:19 |
|
chris |
rather than the url of the item |
| 00:19 |
|
rach |
all righty |
| 00:19 |
|
chris |
thats the difference |
| 00:19 |
|
chris |
does that make sense indradg? |
| 00:19 |
|
chris |
and howdy :) |
| 00:20 |
|
rach |
so indradg do you know if the MARC tags you mentioned make that distinction? |
| 00:20 |
|
rach |
or is that a useful distinction to you? |
| 00:20 |
|
rach |
I guess it;s like a built in "see also" |
| 00:20 |
|
chris |
thats it rach |
| 00:21 |
|
indradg |
chris: I believe that 856u in repeatable mode cud do the same perhaps |
| 00:22 |
|
indradg |
but I haven't tried it yet with multiple entries |
| 00:23 |
|
chris |
yeah im sure there will be a repeatable field that could do it |
| 00:23 |
|
chris |
i dont know which one tho:-) |
| 00:23 |
|
indradg |
and the marc_subfield_table can prolly hold it |
| 00:23 |
|
indradg |
let me just check it out right now |
| 00:29 |
|
indradg |
urgh... it concats the URLs... |
| 00:29 |
|
chris |
darn |
| 00:29 |
|
indradg |
http://www.wrox.com/%20|%20http://www.wrox1.com/%20|%20http://www.wrox2.com/ |
| 00:38 |
|
chris |
russ: i reran the htdig indexer and apart from it refusing to index pdfs |
| 00:39 |
|
chris |
it worked fine |
| 00:39 |
|
chris |
i dont know why its not running nightly, and i dont know why it wont do pdfs anymore |
| 00:39 |
|
indradg |
ok... apparently the Koha.marc_subfield_table is storing all the three URLs separately, *but* the Koha.biblioitems table stores it in the concated fashion :( |
| 00:40 |
|
chris |
woops wrong # :) |
| 00:40 |
|
indradg |
i was wondering :) |
| 00:41 |
|
chris |
ahh it will be because its not storing them in the right table, biblioitem only has one field for url |
| 00:42 |
|
chris |
so if you had 3 urls (that were items) u should have 3 biblioitems |
| 00:42 |
|
chris |
attached to one biblio |
| 00:42 |
|
indradg |
right-o! |
| 00:42 |
|
indradg |
but there is only one field Koha.biblioitems.url |
| 00:43 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 00:43 |
|
chris |
so say u were cataloguing a website that had 3 urls |
| 00:43 |
|
chris |
u should have 1 biblio "chris's website" and three biblioitems |
| 00:43 |
|
chris |
one for each url |
| 00:44 |
|
indradg |
yep! |
| 00:44 |
|
chris |
u might also have some addiotional urls that are about the website, which would go in the other table |
| 00:44 |
|
indradg |
basically we need a 1:n relation to another table |
| 00:44 |
|
chris |
so i think the marc->koha conversion is doing it wrong |
| 00:44 |
|
indradg |
or can we just use the websites table :) |
| 00:44 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 00:45 |
|
indradg |
its designed for 1:n :D |
| 00:45 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 00:46 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 00:47 |
|
indradg |
been around PHP much of the time |
| 00:47 |
|
indradg |
so reading perl code is OK... but seriously hacking it is another matter :P |
| 00:48 |
|
chris |
i feel the same about php :) |
| 00:48 |
|
indradg |
hahaha |
| 00:51 |
|
indradg |
gotta go |
| 00:52 |
|
indradg |
rachel + chris... thanks :) |
| 00:52 |
|
indradg |
ciao! |
| 03:25 |
|
rach |
evening paul |
| 03:25 |
|
paul |
hi rachel |
| 03:27 |
|
rach |
have you heard any more from Pat? |
| 03:27 |
|
paul |
no. |
| 03:27 |
|
paul |
except one |
| 03:28 |
|
rach |
that one seeing if you want to be Kaitiaki |
| 03:28 |
|
paul |
he sended me a mail to give me the kaitiaki role |
| 03:28 |
|
rach |
yep |
| 03:28 |
|
paul |
but I don't want |
| 03:28 |
|
rach |
:-) |
| 03:28 |
|
rach |
yep |
| 03:28 |
|
paul |
(we already spoke of this didn't we ?) |
| 03:28 |
|
rach |
yes - but it was before you went on holiday :-) |
| 03:28 |
|
rach |
so your mind has been wiped clean, by fresh air |
| 03:29 |
|
paul |
lol |
| 03:29 |
|
paul |
(i remembered speaking of this, but didn't remember with who...) |
| 03:29 |
|
rach |
yes it was me |
| 03:29 |
|
rach |
we are busy planning our talk and stand for the library association conference next month |
| 03:30 |
|
rach |
it is going to feature orange fake fur - we'll make sure we take pictures :-) |
| 03:30 |
|
paul |
(/me remembers better when he saw someone in real life... maybe we would organize a real meeting somewhere in the world ;-) ) |
| 03:30 |
|
paul |
feature orange fake fur ?? |
| 03:32 |
|
rach |
yep |
| 03:32 |
|
paul |
(what does it mean ??) |
| 03:32 |
|
rach |
yes - oh it is Koha's 5th birthday on the 5th of january 2005! |
| 03:32 |
|
rach |
the anniversary of the first day it went into production in a real library |
| 03:33 |
|
paul |
why orange fake fur ? (i don't understand this term at all...) |
| 03:33 |
|
rach |
sorry a disconnected thought |
| 03:33 |
|
rach |
umm - it actually is what you are imagining |
| 03:33 |
|
rach |
orange |
| 03:33 |
|
rach |
material, that looks like fur |
| 03:33 |
|
rach |
it is to draw people into the stand to touch it |
| 03:34 |
|
rach |
and all women like to touch fabric |
| 03:34 |
|
rach |
and then we have a story about Koha being a "small furry mamal - unlike the big dinnosour IILs systems" |
| 03:34 |
|
rach |
it is just something very different, to make Koha "real" - tactile |
| 03:35 |
|
rach |
we have been running tests here, and everyone does indeed come in to touch it |
| 03:35 |
|
rach |
and then you get to talk to them |
| 03:35 |
|
rach |
cheeper than one of those flash back drop print out things |
| 03:37 |
|
rach |
http://www.katipo.co.nz/soluti[…]lianza/index.html |
| 03:43 |
|
paul |
GREAT rach |
| 03:43 |
|
paul |
Just 1 suggestion : Koha don't work well on a machine less that 800MHz |
| 03:43 |
|
paul |
(due to lot of packages to compile at run time : MARC::Record & others |
| 03:44 |
|
paul |
) |
| 03:44 |
|
paul |
so saying "486 & +" is ... a little optimistic imho |
| 03:51 |
|
rach |
ah good call |
| 11:09 |
|
indradg |
paul: around? |
| 11:09 |
|
paul |
yes |
| 11:10 |
|
indradg |
hi |
| 11:10 |
|
paul |
hi |
| 11:10 |
|
paul |
you have a question ? |
| 11:10 |
|
indradg |
i wonder if u can help me out with subject based searching |
| 11:11 |
|
paul |
ask your question. |
| 11:12 |
|
indradg |
when I try to search on subject.. shud it list all the subjects which meet the criteria from the OPAC interface... right? |
| 11:14 |
|
indradg |
or am I assuming wrongly? |
| 11:14 |
|
paul |
1st question : 2.0 or 2.1 ? |
| 11:15 |
|
indradg |
oops! :-P |
| 11:15 |
|
indradg |
2.0 |
| 11:16 |
|
paul |
in the 2.1, i've rewritten a lot of things for subject search. |
| 11:16 |
|
paul |
are you able to look inside mySQL table ? |
| 11:17 |
|
indradg |
yes |
| 11:17 |
|
paul |
is bibliosubject filled ? |
| 11:17 |
|
indradg |
yes |
| 11:17 |
|
paul |
can I access your opac ? |
| 11:18 |
|
indradg |
aah.. no not yet... i am still on internal IP |
| 11:20 |
|
paul |
what do you see when looking at a biblio detail ? |
| 11:20 |
|
paul |
is there some subject ? |
| 11:25 |
|
indradg |
yes.. I can see the subject when I click on a biblio detail |
| 11:25 |
|
paul |
(stay on private chanel) |
| 11:27 |
|
indradg |
ok |
