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reiveune |
hello |
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Joubu |
@later tell dcook answered on the pad about the token passed in the response. |
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Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
ping mtj |
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cait |
missed you again, sorry! |
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paulderscheid[m] |
morning #koha |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Just read that catalyst contributed a comprehensive guide to 2FA in the manual. catalyst++ |
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paulderscheid[m] |
But Authy is EOL, we need to change that in the string w/ the recommendations. |
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cait |
submit a patch :) |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Yetp |
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paulderscheid[m] |
yep |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Nevermind, I misread. It's just the desktop app for Authy. |
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cait |
ah |
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mtj |
Hi cait, about now 🍩 |
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cait |
mtj: still there? |
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cait |
mtj: I was wondering about your availability for building the release this month - but I think we might still have some missing pieces maybe |
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mtj |
Hiya. yep |
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mtj |
No probs.. I'm about 🙆 |
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cait |
what is the best way to reach you? are you following the release-maintainer email threads? |
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mtj |
Signal is good |
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mtj |
And yes, Im following the email threads |
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mtj |
. |
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mtj |
Cait. I messaged you via signal |
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mtj |
The matrix bridge seems to be a bit glitch, lately |
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mtj |
Element app on my fone, seems to miss some alerts 🤔 |
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mtj |
Signal seems nice tho.. 🐴 |
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oleonard-away |
mtj has all the emojis today 😄⚗️🛶 |
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cait |
yeah and my emojis are broken :( |
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cait |
need to finally fix that |
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cait |
mtj: got your message, thx! |
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cait |
we've had other reports aobut the bridge not being reliable... I am still old school IRC |
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cait |
Koha IRC meeting now! :) |
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cait |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_28_February_2024 |
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thd |
pauldersheild[m]: Did you configure at least 2 GiB of swap for testing Discourse? Updates are reported to fail without at least 2 GiB of RAM and 2 GiB RAM. |
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cait |
quick heads up, anyone around for he meeting? :) |
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thd |
s/and 2 GiB RAM/and 2 GiB swap/ |
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cait |
I'll give it soem more time, but alone in the jitsi for now |
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cait |
#startmeeting Development IRC meeting 28 February 2024 |
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huginn` |
Meeting started Wed Feb 28 12:07:37 2024 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn` |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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huginn` |
The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_28_february_2024' |
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cait |
#topic Introductions |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
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tcohen |
Good morning! |
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cait |
come join us on Jitsi please! |
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tcohen |
#info Tomas Cohen Arazi |
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kidclamp |
#info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
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cait |
so we are only a small group, please feel free to join uns anytime! |
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cait |
#topic Announcements |
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kidclamp |
https://annuel.framapad.org/p/[…]a_34478_remaining |
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cait |
#info Patches for bug 34478 will be pushed soon - be prepared to have some breakages, report bugs and help with fixing. |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34478 is not accessible. |
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cait |
#info Register for hackfest in Marseille if you plan on coming! (second week of April) |
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cait |
#topic Updates from the Release manager (24.05) |
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cait |
#info No big updates apart from bug 34478 |
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cait |
#info Updates to Jenkins: including takss for the security branches, cleaned up all users and permissions etc. |
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cait |
#info Jenkins deployment issues with the nodes have been resolved - hopefully giving us less failures |
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cait |
#topic Updates from Release Maintainers |
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cait |
#info We will have a coordinated security release this month, stay tuned |
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cait |
#topic Updates from the QA team |
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ashimema |
sorry.. in another meeting right now |
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cait |
#info QA has been delayed, because of the master freeze and work on the big bug - working to resolve that soon |
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cait |
#topic Status of roadmap proejcts |
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cait |
#info tcohen: work continues on record locking and sources |
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cait |
#info cait: master to main has been discussed and we have a list wit todos - need to agree on a date, lots of scripts will need to be adjusted as well |
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cait |
#info kidclamp: bookings and REST API for item display are next |
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cait |
#info thd/paulderscheid: work on test instances happened |
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cait |
#info paulderscheid: still working on cities on Vue, work on Discourse instance |
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cait |
@action thd to add ask about testing discourse backups to Taiga |
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cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
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cait |
#topic Actions from last meeting |
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cait |
#info No actions from last meeting |
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paulderscheid[m] |
#info Paul Derscheid, LMSCloud GmbH, Germany |
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cait |
#topic General development discussion |
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cait |
#info No comments |
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cait |
#topic Review of coding guidelines |
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cait |
#action thd to add task about testing discourse backups to Taiga |
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cait |
#action all add coding guideline for CSRF protection on forms |
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cait |
#topic Set time of next meeting |
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cait |
#info Next meeting: 6 March 2024, 13 UTC |
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cait |
#endmeeting |
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Meeting ended Wed Feb 28 12:34:04 2024 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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huginn` |
Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-02-28-12.07.html |
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huginn` |
Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]4-02-28-12.07.txt |
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Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]28-12.07.log.html |
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thd |
tcohen: |
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cait |
Bug 34963 |
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tcohen |
thd: hola |
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thd |
tcohen: I still have one significant Traefik question. If you have separate Docker projects, do you give them each an instance of Traefik? |
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tcohen |
o |
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tcohen |
no |
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tcohen |
you have a traefik network in which a single traefik instance is listening on |
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tcohen |
and each project will have it's own (internal) network |
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tcohen |
but the front-end requiring traefik on each project, will also join the traefik network |
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tcohen |
that's what we have in the wiki server |
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tcohen |
a single traefik and two wikis |
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tcohen |
(and jenkins, etc) |
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thd |
tcohen: Do separate networks avoid the error for reusing the same label with separate Docker compose files? |
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tcohen |
I can show you any time |
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tcohen |
no |
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tcohen |
there's no way to avoid that human error |
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tcohen |
each compose file should have it's own router name, middleware name, etc |
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thd |
One seemed fundamental ... [finding it but maybe it could be reidentified checking ] |
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thd |
tcohen: - traefik.enable=true is in every container in the same Docker compose file but if in an additional Docker compose file triggers a duplicate lablel. |
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thd |
tcohen: This label is used universally in examples of using Docker compose for some service with Traefik as a service lablel for the particular container. |
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tcohen |
hmm |
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tcohen |
have you checked how we did it in portainer for the wikis? |
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tcohen |
because it is certainly working |
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thd |
I will check. A permissions problem for my access to that may have developed. You were too busy at the time to check. |
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thd |
My credentials for that have been somewhat disused in consequence. |
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tcohen |
I can check of course |
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tcohen |
gimme a minute |
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tcohen |
can you zoom or smth? |
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tcohen |
are you you |
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thd |
My camera crashes but I may have microphone without rebooting. |
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thd |
Changing the kernal did nothing for the problem it seems to be a poorly supported chipset issue in several old Dell Lattitude models which I like for being highly repairable and very low priced second hand. |
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thd |
M icrophone may work though. |
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Joubu |
kidclamp, cait: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]idelines#Security |
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cait |
in meeting, will check in a bit! |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Hey thd, you were right to point that out! W/ the current specs of the instance this could have led to a problem. Please add it to taiga anyway. |
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Joubu |
saving wiki page I am getting: "The server did not respond within the expected time." |
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Joubu |
thd, tcohen: $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_NONE; |
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Joubu |
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki[…]:Wxox117jvgchxhah |
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Joubu |
why CACHE_NONE? |
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Joubu |
thd, tcohen: opened https://tree.taiga.io/project/koha-ils/us/250 |
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thd |
Maybe the container just needs a restart. How slow is slow? |
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Joubu |
30s-1min then it timeouts |
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Joubu |
I don't know but CACHE_NONE vs CACHE_ACCEL... Why do we have NONE? |
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thd |
Lack of cache could be a config issue remaining from migration to avoid the risk of serving the previous content state where the cache might not been updated soon enough. If caching was not used, then caching problems could not be the source of previous content persisting. Code for what is updated in the cache seemed to be aimed at keeping Wikipedia served quickly not ensuring the latest changes are displayed. The container is supposed to ma |
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thd |
nage the caching automatically. Formerly caching was run directly on the VPS explicitly.. |
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* thd |
will check the config. |
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Joubu |
@later tell tcohen can you have a look at 36177#c4 please? |
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Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
mtj: did you actually roll another release for stables with 36034 2 weeks ago? |
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lukeg |
hi |
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Joubu |
...or are all the servers of the world running an "up-to-date" version of Koha have their disks full of silly row in the sessions table...? |
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cait |
Joubu: I think it's a great start, thank you (wiki). Maybe we could add some code snippes, like a cud example so people don't have to look throught he huge bug once we have pushed the code |
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cait |
Joubu: maybe most people not using binlogs or so? |
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cait |
I was wondering too |
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imagines binlogs are logs that go straight into the bin |
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Joubu |
it's not related to binlog |
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Joubu |
it's the sessions table full of DBIC schema object |
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cait |
ah ok; i misread that |
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cait |
Iam not sure really, my inner fear is that people have not updated to security release |
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reiveune |
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thd |
tcohen: Prior to migration, running MediaWiki directly on the host system we would have had in current syntax $wgMemCachedServers = [ 'localhost' ] . |
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thd |
tcohen: I am not certain that localhost will resolve to the container. We could use the container IP address but I do not see that it is currently persistent. |
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thd |
tcohen: Nevermind, I seem to now understand that localhost will point to the container itself. I know that it does not point to the host system localhost outside the container. |
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caroline |
Is it possible to get this "charge" amount in the ISSUESLIP with TT? https://snipboard.io/BHP6j1.jpg |
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caroline |
It's the item's itemtype's rentalcharge minus the discount? |
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tcohen |
thd: I think canasta runs a memcached server, locally inside the container |
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tcohen |
the syntax change is part of the upgrade I think, we had to change some bits until we got rid of all the errors |
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thd |
Yes, MediaWiki still needs to access it. I think that localhost works fine as a value. |
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thd |
The current syntax was there. During the migration testing old syntax had been replaced or commented out. |
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thd |
We still had configuration errors but not generally over syntax. |
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thd |
I had $wgMemCachedServers = [ ] for disabling MediaWiki use of MemCacheD. |
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thd |
Old syntax was array ( 'array_value1', 'array value2', 'etc') |
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thd |
new syntax is [ 'array_value1', 'array_value2', 'etc' ] |
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thd |
My concern had been about localhost as a value in the container to ensure that it was pointing at the container. |
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thd |
All the caching for MediaWiki for which MemCacheD is merely a component is now turned on for the wiki. It had always been on before migration. The disadvantage is that the cache may be behind actual changes and may not have the current state. I had turned off caching for debugging purposes during migration testing and it did not seem slow to me. |
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thd |
Joubu, tcohen: I cannot post the LocalSettings.php values which I changed to Taiga. Is that because my user is not currently in the koha-ils team? |
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aude_c[m] |
Documentation meeting starting in 2min https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_28_February_2024 |
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davidnind |
#startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 28 February 2024 |
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Meeting started Wed Feb 28 19:01:24 2024 UTC. The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn` |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_28_february_2024' |
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davidnind |
#chair aude_c |
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huginn` |
Warning: Nick not in channel: aude_c |
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huginn` |
Current chairs: aude_c davidnind |
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davidnind |
#chair aude_c |
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huginn` |
Current chairs: aude_c davidnind |
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aude_c[m] |
#chair marie-luce |
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davidnind |
#chair marie-luce |
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huginn` |
Current chairs: aude_c davidnind marie-luce |
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davidnind |
#info Agenda https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_28_February_2024 |
| 19:04 |
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marie-luce |
#topic Introductions |
| 19:04 |
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davidnind |
#topic Introductions |
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aude_c[m] |
#info Aude Charillon, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 19:04 |
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marie-luce |
#info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inlibro, Montreal, Québecc, Canada |
| 19:04 |
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davidnind |
#info David Nind, New Zealand |
| 19:05 |
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krimsonkharne[m] |
#info Philip Orr, LMSCloud, Germany |
| 19:07 |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 19:07 |
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caroline |
#info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, Québec, Canada |
| 19:08 |
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marie-luce |
the current meeting is also in a virtual meeting |
| 19:08 |
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marie-luce |
#link https://meet.jit.si/KohaDocumentationMeeting |
| 19:08 |
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davidnind |
#topic Review of action points |
| 19:16 |
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davidnind |
#infor Philip to set dates and times for workshop session https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Drop-in_sessions |
| 19:18 |
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marie-luce |
#topic Automated screenshots (Caroline, Aude) |
| 19:18 |
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davidnind |
#info Automated screenshot project guidelines - still to be done |
| 19:18 |
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marie-luce |
#link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34076 |
| 19:18 |
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huginn` |
Bug 34076: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , [ALTERNATE] [DOCS] Automated screenshots using Cypress.io testing framework |
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marie-luce |
#info This project is still ongoing, but there is not much so say at the moment. |
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marie-luce |
#topic Re-organising the manual (David Nind) |
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marie-luce |
#link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32391 |
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huginn` |
Bug 32391: enhancement, P1 - high, ---, david, ASSIGNED , [DOCS] Reorganise the manual contents |
| 19:24 |
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davidnind |
#info davidnind hopes to make the merge request with the changes by the end of the week |
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davidnind |
#info Google developer documentation style guide https://developers.google.com/style |
| 19:35 |
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davidnind |
#agreed Use the Google developer documentation style guide as a preference, with differences discussed and agreed at the documentation meeting |
| 19:38 |
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marie-luce |
#info We consider an accessibility guidelines to improve readability (e.g. background colour and text contrast). |
| 19:39 |
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davidnind |
#info WAVE Web Accessibility Evaluation Tools https://wave.webaim.org/ |
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krimsonkharne[m] |
#action Philip to check the Koha Manual with accessibility in mind (screenreaders, contrast ratios... etc.) |
| 19:43 |
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marie-luce |
#topic FAQ page |
| 19:44 |
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marie-luce |
#info The whole page seems updated |
| 19:57 |
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davidnind |
#action davidnind to add section to content development guide about approach for FAQs: incorporate into manual sections, update with date last reviewed, add bug to review and update, link to manual sections, use Wiki for configuration examples such as printers |
| 19:57 |
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davidnind |
#topic Next meeting |
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davidnind |
#agreed to move next meeting 27 March 2024 14:00 UTC |
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davidnind |
#nextmeeting Next meeting: 27 March 2024, 14:00 UTC |
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davidnind |
#info Next meeting: 27 March 2024, 14:00 UTC |
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davidnind |
#endmeeting |
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huginn` |
Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-02-28-19.01.html |
| 19:59 |
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huginn` |
Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]4-02-28-19.01.txt |
| 19:59 |
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huginn` |
Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]28-19.01.log.html |
| 20:01 |
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aude_c[m] |
davidnind++ |
| 20:01 |
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aude_c[m] |
marie-luce++ |
| 20:01 |
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marie-luce |
davidnind++ |
| 20:01 |
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caroline |
aude_c++ davidnind++ marie-luce++ krimsonkharne++ |
| 20:01 |
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krimsonkharne[m] |
aude_c++ :) |
| 20:01 |
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davidnind |
caroline++ |
| 20:02 |
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marie-luce |
aude_c++ krimsonkharne++ |
| 20:02 |
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caroline |
any MARC nerds around? h2h2 maybe? |
| 20:03 |
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caroline |
I'm wondering if biblio 654 should be linked to an authority record |
| 20:12 |
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thd |
caroline: Yes, 654 $0 should link to an authority record or multiple authority records for the same topic with as $0 is repeatable with the Subject thesaurus code, such as FAST, given in 654 $2. |
| 20:13 |
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hammat |
Hello everyone, |
| 20:13 |
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hammat |
I'm currently facing an issue with a new Z3950 authority server integrated with ElasticSearch that I'm trying to set up. My basic searches are functioning properly, but when I attempt to use @attr attributes, it doesn't seem to work. Interestingly, attribute 1=1 (personal name) works fine. I've attempted to address this by adding the attributes in the /etc/z3950/attribute_mappings.yaml file, but unfortunately, that hasn't resolved the issue. |
| 20:13 |
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hammat |
This situation has led me to question whether it's possible, with ElasticSearch for authorities, to perform a search on a specific field, such as a title by adding @attr 1=4 on yaz-client command line. In contrast, I haven't encountered this problem with an authority server under ZEBRA. For example, when I use @attr 1=4, it works seamlessly, but with ElasticSearch, it's not functioning as expected. |
| 20:13 |
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caroline |
thanks thd! |
| 20:15 |
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thd |
I am not certain of actual practise for repeating subfield $0 in this case. It has been a point of a little controversy where some preferred to use an additional 654 for the same topic, which may be DNB practise. |
| 20:18 |
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thd |
hammat: The Elastic Search implementation has not had extensive review from a library cataloguing perspective. It will probably need to be extensively revised over time. |
| 20:23 |
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thd |
YAZ has had extensive exposure to library systems over decades. Koha's own ElasticSearch implementation is something new from a small community of developers who generally do not have an expert cataloguer critique available for development. Given a somewhat working implementation bugs in implementation can be fixed over time. Sometimes a very long time for very obvious bugs. |
| 20:25 |
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thd |
Yet libraries are pleased to adopt systems which have the library science completely wrong but which help with discovery. We can have both good library science and good discovery with much extra work. |
| 20:37 |
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thd |
caroline: To avoid breaking some system somewhere, FAST is lowercase fast when used in $2 for Subject Heading and Term Source Code. We may normalise everthing in uppercase on the backend. Computer cataloguing practise starts with lower case norms perhaps because they are easier to type. |
| 20:57 |
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caroline |
link_bibs_to_authorities.pl doesn't seem to link 654 |
| 21:09 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
how can we add Salutation to the dropdown when creating patrons |
| 21:09 |
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caroline |
JasonGreene[m], in the system preference BorrowersTitles |
| 21:11 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
found it.. thanks |
| 21:30 |
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thd |
caroline: Previously, I had been answering for standard MARC 21 cataloguing practise. link_bibs_to_authorities.pl creates Koha specific makeshift authority records from a subset of authority controlled fields where normative authority records are not present if I understand correctly or certainly that was past behaviour. Such makeshift records allow normative searches by authority controlled strings but do not have all the value of full autho |
| 21:30 |
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thd |
rity records. |
| 21:32 |
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thd |
caroline: If you supply the argument -g 654 to link_bibs_to_authorities.pl what happens? |
| 21:33 |
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caroline |
I'll try |
| 21:33 |
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caroline |
it does nothing it seems |
| 21:57 |
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thd |
caroline: I interpreted too much into a recent bug fix. When you build the Koha something like authority records using link_bibs_to_authorities.pl for 650 it should also build them for all related 6XX including 654. |
| 21:58 |
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cait |
It looks like we hardcode the headings, I tracked it through the code a bit and ended here: https://git.koha-community.org[…]ing/MARC21.pm#L49 |
| 22:02 |
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cait |
654 is not in the list, I tihnk that's why it's failing |
| 22:02 |
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cait |
adding it for a test might work |
| 22:03 |
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thd |
I may be responsible for this bug. |
| 22:08 |
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thd |
When asked long ago, I may have said that link_bibs_to_authorities.pl is the wrong way to build pre-coordinated authority records such as Library of Congress Subject Headings. However, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl is the extra wrong way to build faceted subject headings and then 654 was not added in consequence of my statement. Having 654 there would be helpful but link_bibs_to_authorities.pl generated authority records are never proper author |
| 22:08 |
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thd |
ity records. |
| 22:09 |
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caroline |
I didn't know link_bibs_to_authorities created authorities. I thought it only linked them |
| 22:09 |
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thd |
Currently, it is much easier to acquire real authority records than it had been in the past. |
| 22:09 |
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thd |
caroline You are right. |
| 22:10 |
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caroline |
Ok I added a line for 654 in C4/Heading/MARC21.pm and it worked |
| 22:10 |
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caroline |
So that is where it comes from. I still don't know if it SHOULD, but it CAN |
| 22:10 |
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thd |
I may be conflating a different script build_marc_authorities.pl or some such script. |
| 22:12 |
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caroline |
not sure which one that is. We have an in-house one that I use for migrations |
| 22:13 |
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* dcook |
looks at scrollback |
| 22:14 |
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thd |
Still, the config file which cait identified shows how only very partially informed by library standards Koha is. |
| 22:15 |
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thd |
A proper script for 654 faceted subject heading should use only authority records from an authority database matching the thesaurus specified in 654 $2. |
| 22:16 |
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thd |
FAST is popular and derived from LCSH but OCLC charges real money for FAST records. |
| 22:17 |
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caroline |
I think there was a fix for the $2 thesaurus recently (it broke things catastrophically, but they fixed it) |
| 22:18 |
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caroline |
not sure if it applies to 654 |
| 22:18 |
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| 22:18 |
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caroline |
syspref LinkerConsiderThesaurus |
| 22:19 |
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thd |
LCSH records can be obtained without charge for a complete set a few years old and then updated or added to with some consortium contacts. |
| 22:20 |
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thd |
FAST records are presumably controlled by distribution contacts and more difficult to obtain. |
| 22:25 |
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caroline |
good night everyone! |
| 22:27 |
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thd |
caroline: I see that there is some code in MARC21.pm for doing something with $2 but maybe not enough. |
| 22:27 |
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thd |
caroline: good night |
| 23:02 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
I imported 250 users , is there a way I can remove all of them in one action? |
| 23:03 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
actually, I did it 3 times so I need to remove 750 |
| 23:03 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
opps |
| 23:07 |
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thd |
JasonGreene[m]: I only know about reverting to a previous database backup for such cases. I do not have relevant expertise on patron management. You could write an SQL script to revert things but you would need to know which tables are affected by importing users to avoid partially removing them and creating problems for inconsistencies between tables. |
| 23:08 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
i found this Batch patron deletion and anonymization |
| 23:09 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
i'll try it |
| 23:09 |
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thd |
JasonGreene[m]: Presumably that will correct all the relevant tables and relations. |
| 23:11 |
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dcook |
@later tell Joubu I've replied on the pad, and realized that the Vue.js apps might experience issues with token expiry over time |
| 23:11 |
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huginn` |
dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:12 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
Not sure what anonymization means |
| 23:13 |
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thd |
Anonymization is intended to disguise the true origin of the data but preserve things like circulation statistics without identifying who the borrower is for example. |
| 23:14 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
ok |
| 23:15 |
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thd |
Anonymization can be a weak disguise because if in your community you know that only person X would have an interest in borrowing Y to your knowledge. There is a good chance that you can identify person X and everything else which person X borrowed. |
| 23:18 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
The Batch patron deletion won't remove the koha.admin" account will it? |
| 23:18 |
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thd |
For anonymization to really work well against behavioral data inspection more would need to be done than what Koha probably does to merely remove identifying information. |
| 23:19 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
I just want to remove my mistake of 3xuser acconts |
| 23:19 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
without getting into the sql |
| 23:20 |
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thd |
I assume that the admin is more than a super patron. However, I do not know how the admin is defined. |
| 23:21 |
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thd |
You should read the script documentation for how it is intended to work so that you do not remove more than intended. |
| 23:22 |
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thd |
For example, perhaps it removes all patron IDs between a particular set of values. |
| 23:23 |
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thd |
You should discover what patron IDs you just imported in that case and start from the first mistakenly imported ID. |
| 23:24 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
it is a new system and the IDs are the "stock" ones that came with the install and mine... all the other were just added |
| 23:25 |
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thd |
I do not know that the batch processing script takes a parameter for patron IDs, but if it does then using them may be helpful. |
| 23:27 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
it has this option ... whose patron category is (drop-down) this looks good |
| 23:28 |
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thd |
That should help you exclude the admin account ;) |
| 23:29 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
yes |
| 23:31 |
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thd |
There is also a wiki page with example SQL queries for the reports function which could help you discover something about existing and recently added patrons, https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]L_Reports_Patrons . |
| 23:32 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
thanks |
| 23:38 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
Batch patron deletion and anonymization and whose patron category worked |
| 23:42 |
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JasonGreene[m] |
Is there a Batch card creator for patrons with no card number? |
