IRC log for #koha, 2018-03-07

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06:53 cait waking up to no working internet is no fun :(
06:54 paxed @wunder joensuu
06:54 huginn paxed: Joensuu, Finland :: Clear :: -9F/-23C | Wednesday: A mix of clouds and sun early followed by cloudy skies this afternoon. High 14F. Winds ESE at 5 to 10 mph. Wednesday Night: Cloudy skies. Low 1F. Winds SE at 5 to 10 mph.
06:54 paxed such skies, much sunny
06:59 BobB cait:[…]ld-it-possibly-be
07:00 BobB sorry, you have to know how bad Australia's NBN is to appreciate that one
07:00 josef_moravec morning #koha
07:00 cait :)
07:00 BobB National Broadband Network
07:00 cait BobB: cost me my QA time thi smorning :( but ok, we are back, hopefully stays that way
07:00 cait :)
07:01 BobB :)
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07:37 magnuse @later tell bag would you consider adding 2 factor auth for the staff client to ? i'd be happy to chip in! SO bug 14319
07:37 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
07:38 * magnuse waves
07:38 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway
07:38 huginn magnuse: Bodo, Norway :: Clear :: 19F/-7C | Wind Chill: 1F/-17C | Wednesday: A mix of clouds and sun with gusty winds. High 23F. Winds E at 25 to 35 mph. Wednesday Night: Clear. Windy this evening. Low near 15F. Winds E at 20 to 30 mph.
07:39 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz
07:39 huginn LibraryClaire: Konstanz, Germany :: Overcast :: 42F/6C | Wind Chill: 36F/2C | Wednesday: Cloudy skies. Slight chance of a rain shower. High around 45F. Winds WSW at 10 to 15 mph. Wednesday Night: Mainly cloudy. Low 33F. Winds WSW at 10 to 15 mph.
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07:40 reiveune hello
07:47 magnuse bonjour reiveune
07:48 reiveune salut magnuse
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07:53 alex_a bonjour
08:00 magnuse hiya alex_a
08:01 * LibraryClaire waves
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08:18 cait hi #koha
08:18 eythian hi cait
08:19 eythian if that's even your real name
08:22 cait suddenly so doubtful?
08:23 eythian I heard that suspicion is healthy
08:23 * paxed hands eythian some tin foil
08:24 eythian I'm on to you, paxed:[…]-thoughts/262998/
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08:55 paxed eythian: oh dang
09:39 magnuse huh, anyone ever tried to password protect the intranet with apache basic auth? it's... weird
09:43 oha magnuse: how weird?
09:44 oha it "should" be fairly transparent. unless you hit some caching issue
09:45 magnuse once i log into the basic auth koha does not ask me for a username/password
09:45 magnuse and it says i am the database user
09:45 magnuse my basic auth username is displayed in the top right corner
09:46 oha apache sends some headers, maybe koha "honors" them?
09:46 oha let me check
09:46 magnuse yeah, that must be what is happening
09:47 magnuse on the admin homepage i only see lists, authorities and "About Koha"
09:48 oha it does: if ( !$shib and defined( $ENV{'REMOTE_USER'} ) and $ENV{'REMOTE_USER'} ne '' and $userid = $ENV{'REMOTE_USER'} ) {
09:49 oha i think this might be exploited easily
09:52 magnuse as in security vulnerability?
09:52 magnuse if so, would you mind reporting it at https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]t=Koha%20security ? i couldn't explain the problem properly, i think
09:53 magnuse and better not talk too much more about it here ;-)
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09:56 oha i'm trying to replicate it, then i will
09:56 magnuse oha++
09:59 oha with plack it seems safe, probably apache wipe it in front
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10:19 oha magnuse: it is safe. apache always intercept those headers. but it isn't if you run it on plack "alone"
10:19 oha or if you use another frontend
10:20 magnuse ah
10:23 oha but it is meant to work that way, delegating apache for the authentication
10:23 oha it should be conditional tho
10:24 oha you could try to set X-Remote-User to an empty string, and avoid the "feature"
10:24 oha or patch C4/ and set it to undefined
10:26 magnuse thanks!
10:57 clrh hi
10:57 clrh (am reading the gdpr log meetting)
10:58 clrh is there a way in bugzilla to classify the bugs rely on the gdpr ? (keywords ?)
10:59 josef_moravec clrh:
10:59 josef_moravec there is an omnibus bug for gdpr
11:00 josef_moravec bug 18081
11:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18081 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , [omnibus] GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation)
11:00 clrh great soryy josef_moravec :)
11:00 josef_moravec clrh: some work need to be done, another meeting will be held ;)
11:01 clrh great josef_moravec - maybe a discussion in hackfest next week will see
11:02 josef_moravec i think it will be, but I will not attend to Marseille unfortunately :(
11:02 clrh if something happenned you should see it in bz or wiki :)
11:03 josef_moravec Yes! ;)
11:18 khall @later tell LeeJ take a look at the links on bug 17489. I can POC something in the KitchenSink plugin if you want me to.
11:18 huginn khall: The operation succeeded.
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12:13 magnuse bug 17489
12:13 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17489 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Allow Koha plugins to have translations
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12:32 clrh cait: hello, I see the wiki page "Use of cookies" and the "Improve data gpdr page", is there other existing related pages ? what do you think of creating a category ?
12:34 clrh if nobody has objection I do it ...
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12:42 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:53 LibraryClaire hi oleonard
13:08 clrh out/4
13:09 clrh oups
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13:11 oleonard *:・゚✧(=✪ ᆺ ✪=)*:・゚✧
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13:14 cait wow
13:14 cait clrh: i don't know how that works, but i am not against it :)
13:14 cait clrh: if you know how, please feel free to add it. I still need to do a lot of documenting there, help also appreciated
13:17 clrh cait:  same ... ok I do it and ping it with the link
13:17 clrh (I will)
13:18 clrh I would be glad to have a small talk about it next week cait :)
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13:43 clrh cait: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]iki/Category:GDPR
13:43 clrh done
13:44 magnuse clrh++
13:44 clrh (that's nothing, a lot more to do...)
13:46 tcohen morning
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13:53 cait clrh: sure!
13:53 cait clrh++
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14:01 oleonard Is there supposed to be a meeting now?
14:01 clrh I think you're right oleonard :)
14:02 * thd thinks so.
14:02 oleonard I guess it's on the calendar but not on the wiki
14:02 thd It is in the wiki.
14:03 thd But maybe not all the possible wiki pages.
14:03 oleonard Okay, it's not on *this* page of the wiki https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]IRC_Meetings#2018
14:03 thd I never check that page :)
14:04 thd https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_7_March_2018
14:04 tcohen next meeting?
14:05 thd I did not check to see if there was a reminder to the mailing list.
14:05 tcohen https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings
14:06 tcohen ^^^ that's the page to check
14:07 * oleonard sets fire to the IRC_Meetings page
14:07 thd Yes, tcohen has the best page.  The other list is an archive of links.
14:08 thd oleonard: The archive page is good for find past meetings but it has been a long time since I filled in gaps on that page.
14:08 * tcohen would set fire to all the wiki with those categories
14:08 tcohen its too complicated to browser
14:08 tcohen s/r$//
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14:11 thd tcohen: One long term task I have in mind is to fix alpha sort for meeting pages so that the category finds meetings chronologically.  That would be a big page renaming project which is about last in importance of things to fix.
14:11 thd Independently, of notice and wiki pages, are there enough people here for the meeting to hold one?
14:11 tcohen the best option is to just drop the automatic sorting using categories and such, and have a normal wiki, then improve
14:12 thd tcohen: What is a 'normal' wiki?
14:12 tcohen a browseable one
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14:13 tcohen check this page and tell me how do you feel in front of it: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]egory:Development
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14:14 tcohen the data is there, but just complicated to read
14:14 tcohen a manually crafted TOC would do better I think
14:15 thd By automatic sorting I meant by date in ISO format.  Something like Meeting_2018-03-07_General_IRC_Meeting not General_IRC_meeting_7_March_2018.
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14:17 thd Yes, I intend to create a manual TOC when I have time to work on Koha again.  Right now I have no time to sleep even while filling in for someone out of the country.
14:17 thd Meanwhile, anyone else may create a manual TOC.
14:18 thd Independently, of wiki pages, and mailing list notices, do we have enough people here to conduct a meeting?
14:19 oleonard Is the wiki still running on a really old version of MediaWiki?
14:20 thd oleonard: Yes, the reason is that to move it off Postgres to MySQL may only work for an old version.
14:20 thd oleonard: If we upgrade we may be stuck with Postgres which is insufficiently well supported by MediaWiki.
14:21 thd The only migration scripts are even older than the version we are on.
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14:22 thd Postgres was chosen in haste as a generally good database choice without enough research when the old wiki was shutdown.
14:23 thd Doing things in haste always creates problems and I had not seen the MediaWiki page if it existed at the time listing bugs and other reasons not to use Postgres.
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14:25 thd For planning to fix the wiki I linked to migrating to MySQL as the next most important step.
14:26 thd I should have time to go back to working on that this summer.  Meanwhile, others are welcome to try.
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14:28 thd[…]PostgresqlToMysql
14:29 oleonard thd you're in NYC aren't you?
14:29 thd Yes.
14:29 oleonard What do you think of the advisability of using a 6-hour layover in Newark to take a train to NYC and look around?
14:30 thd oleonard: I have not taken the train to Newark in a few years so my information may be out of date.
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14:33 thd Infrequent train service and delays in the two trains previously needed had left me worrying that I needed 3 hours to be safe for travelling between Newark Airport and NYC.
14:34 oleonard Sounds like I'll be writing Koha patches from an airport lounge then
14:35 thd Maybe 3 trains.  The terminal shuttle train.  The train or bus between Newark Airport and the Path Train.  Path Train to NYC.
14:36 thd oleonard: Schedule a 24 hour layover.  Maybe I can find you a place to stay for free.
14:36 oleonard Thanks thd :) It'll have to be next time
14:37 thd So is the meeting now abandoned?
14:38 oleonard We had a very productive wiki discussion and then one about trains. wahanui, please compile the logs for us.
14:40 * thd needs more sleep between the time he has to return to continue filling in for someone who is out of country.
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14:41 oleonard I love it when a patch starts magically working. I'd better put that in the test plan.
14:48 thd oleonard: The most important thing to understand about the current travails of the wiki is that use of MediaWiki was meant to be one of multiple experimental tests for consideration as an alternative to the then implementation of Dokuwiki.  When the Koha Dokuwiki was turned off as a silly tit-for-tat response to putting up a copy of Bugzilla run by the community, then suddenly the only experiment running became the wiki to which people started ad
14:48 thd ding content and time testing, planning, correcting implementation blunders was gone.
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14:51 * thd tries to get some sleep before too many more long hours at work.
14:56 oleonard Surely there's a way to export [im]portable data from MediaWiki...
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15:37 oleonard @wunder marseille france
15:37 huginn oleonard: Marseille, France :: Clear :: 55F/13C | Wednesday: Clear and windy. Lows overnight in the low 40s. Wednesday Night: Clear. Gusty winds diminishing after midnight. Low around 40F. NW winds at 20 to 30 mph, decreasing to 5 to 10 mph. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph.
15:37 oleonard @wunder 45701
15:37 huginn oleonard: Athens, OH :: Overcast :: 36F/2C | Wind Chill: 28F/-2C | Wednesday: Cloudy with rain and snow showers early changing to mainly rain showers for the afternoon. High 42F. Winds W at 15 to 25 mph. Chance of rain 60%. Wednesday Night: Partly to mostly cloudy. A few flurries or snow showers possible. Low near 25F. Winds WNW at 5 to 10 mph.
15:38 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz
15:38 huginn LibraryClaire: Konstanz, Germany :: Mostly Cloudy :: 42F/6C | Wind Chill: 36F/2C | Wednesday: Showers ending early. Lows overnight in the low 30s. Wednesday Night: Rain showers this evening with mostly cloudy conditions overnight. Low 33F. Winds WSW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 40%.
15:39 LibraryClaire I like that "wind chill" isn't mentioned for Marseille
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16:00 * fridolin sorry i was too buzy for the meeting
16:01 fridolin see u
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16:17 reiveune bye
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16:27 cait sorry missed the meeting because of a meeting...
16:27 oleonard We assigned you all the work cait.
16:29 cait ah, that's what happens
16:30 cait oleonard: talking about patches - you slowed down ;)
16:30 cait when do you leave for Marseille?
16:30 oleonard Tomorrow
16:30 cait oh!
16:31 cait pm:)
16:38 oleonard cait: I picked all the "low-hanging fruit" in my JS-to-footer and Bootstrap grid projects
16:39 oleonard I hoped that Bug 19474 would get moving so that I could build on that. Maybe during Hackfest.
16:39 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19474 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert staff client CSS to SCSS
16:39 cait i hope you can explain to me at the hackfest :)
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17:13 mtompset #koha.
17:13 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
17:13 mtompset @seen kidclamp
17:13 huginn mtompset: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 21 hours, 53 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <kidclamp> I usually just hardcord it into the script honestly :-)
17:13 * mtompset cringes.
17:13 * kidclamp is lazy
17:13 mtompset I understand.
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17:20 kivilahtio I anybody using an external logistics optimization system?
17:21 mtompset I recognize those words, but is that English? :)
17:21 kivilahtio mtompset: no idea.
17:21 kivilahtio mtompset: But I hope you also recognize what I am after?
17:22 cait can you give an example? i have no idea :)
17:22 mtompset Sadly, no. Hence, my less than useful comment.
17:23 kivilahtio We are trying to cut down transportation costs, by instead of satisfying the topmost hold in the queue, looking a bit deeper into the holds queue and satisfying the most cheapest transfers to fulfill first
17:23 cait ah
17:23 cait that woudl be similar to the transportcostmatrix but also changing the order of holds?
17:24 kivilahtio also we are looking at implementing more intelligent transport logics together with a university specializing in logistics
17:24 cait there is something to give local holds (same library) priority already
17:24 cait but nothing else messing with the sequence I think
17:24 kivilahtio like deeply analyzing "demand" for a particular biblio on a transport route and moving items there pre-emptively to satisfy the predicted/known demand
17:26 kivilahtio cait: pretty much so, transportcostmatrix and order of holds. Maybe we will build or use an external system to run simulations on different algorithms to see how they work with our production data.
17:26 mtompset Sounds like you want a tool to analyze issues and holds and then change the items homebranch.
17:26 kivilahtio mtompset: good idea
17:26 mtompset Sounds like a plugin might be in order.
17:28 kivilahtio But at the first phase I would need a system to run simulations on different algorithms. Planning should we develop it in-house or if anybody is using somekind of a logistics optimization system?
17:28 kivilahtio Simulations would be important so we can have some confidence that the proposed algorithms actually help
17:29 kivilahtio There are a lot of ideas how to improve the logistics, but this project is strictly about developing an algorith to more aggressively optimize the holds queue.
17:35 cait kivilahtio: can't help it but seems unfair :)
17:35 cait everything that messes with the sequence seems a bit fishy to me
17:35 kivilahtio cait: in a way it is unfair
17:35 kivilahtio cait: but it will make the average waiting time for a reserve to be fulfilled shorter
17:36 kivilahtio so the organization performs better in that aspect, also less time for items spent travelling == less costs
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19:39 mtompset @seen joubu
19:39 huginn mtompset: joubu was last seen in #koha 6 days, 0 hours, 42 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Joubu> that's why we should improve the manual instead
19:39 mtompset Joubu++ # Praises for suggesting manual improvements. :)
19:40 mtompset Anyone else able to process through qa test tool updates? :)
19:40 mtompset kidclamp highlighted a test case that wasn't covered. :)
19:41 kidclamp thanksm
19:41 kidclamp thanks mtompset
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22:57 mtompset @seen cait
22:57 huginn mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 22 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <cait> everything that messes with the sequence seems a bit fishy to me
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23:02 Abigail in which table the additional user attributes are stored, thanks for your help
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23:12 mtj Abigail: borrower_attributes , i think
23:13 mtj
23:13 mtj Abigail:  ^ that may be helpful for you
23:14 mtj
23:14 mtj http://schema.koha-community.o[…]es/borrowers.html
23:14 mtj http://schema.koha-community.o[…]r_attributes.html
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