IRC log for #koha, 2015-10-21

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01:58 wizzyrea
02:00 tcohen excellent song!
02:00 wizzyrea ^.^
02:00 * tcohen loves bjork
02:00 wizzyrea yeah same
02:00 wizzyrea just very quiet in here :)
02:02 tcohen who would start another big riot?
02:02 wizzyrea bjork, of course :D
02:02 eythian I kinda went off björk when I heard her music.
02:03 wizzyrea yeah, that doesn't seem like it would be your thing so much.
02:03 wizzyrea :D
02:04 wizzyrea I had a roommate in uni that was simply obsessed with bjork. Since she was one of my favourite people ever, I ended up rather liking bjork.
02:05 tcohen hahahaha
02:06 ibeardslee she (well as part of sugarcubes?) had a song I quite liked .. but damned if I can work out what it was.
02:08 wizzyrea what was it about?
02:09 wizzyrea i.e. what do you remember about it
02:11 tcohen human behaviour
02:42 eythian <-- interesting stuff on Catmandu
02:56 wizzyrea hey I know that person from twitter.
03:09 mtj .
03:09 mtj oops
03:12 mtj ibeardslee:
03:12 mtj ^ thats a really great sugarcubes album
03:13 mtj[…]SQWAFJTZDnZX1RxYp
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04:37 mveron Good morning / daytime #koha
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06:02 ashimema .
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06:24 cait oh martin
06:24 cait ashimema: ...
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06:27 * magnuse waves
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06:34 eythian well, I think I have roughly 1/4th of my talk written
06:34 eythian time to go home
06:45 cait later eythian
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06:50 magnuse have fun eythian
06:51 cait bbiab
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06:52 reiveune hello
06:52 wahanui kia ora, reiveune
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06:54 alex_a hello
06:59 magnuse @wunder boo
06:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 21, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling).
06:59 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 10.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on October 21, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
06:59 magnuse ooh, not a big difference
07:08 magnuse gah! all those strings beginning with %s%s%sKoha online%s catalog &rsaquo; ...
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07:23 Francesca hi
07:23 wahanui que tal, Francesca
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07:31 gaetan_B hello
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07:48 glen Can anyone tell me what the login and password are for the koha314-demo VM ?  Have just installed under ESX but doesn't seem to be any docs.
07:49 ashimema 314... we're on 320 with 322 just around the corner.. why are you trying out 314?
07:49 ashimema no idea about vm passwords I'm afriad
07:50 glen I run Fedora 20 and 22 and needed to try it out.  If there is a VM of 320, where can I get it.  I got 314 from the download site
07:51 glen I have attempted to do an install gro tar file onto Fedora but there are too many dependencies that I can't resolve in a shared webserver environmnet
07:52 glen Am prepared to build a Debian VM but it would be an orphan in our environment so was hoping for a shortcut :-)
07:54 ashimema ah.. I see
07:54 ashimema wow.. you must have had to search hard to find that vm
07:54 ashimema it's not been supported since 2013 I'm afriad
07:55 ashimema In general the vast majority of us are using debian and packages are the recommended install route for simplicity
07:55 ashimema However, I am aware of a few people running on redhat and suse.. so you 'should' be able to run on fedora..
07:55 ashimema but as you say, if you're on a hosting that's locked down you will be unlikely to manage to install all the dependancies.
07:55 ashimema :(
07:56 glen It was easy to find
07:56 ashimema Is this your first foray into koha?
07:57 glen Yes, I am a hosting providier and have been asked by a customer to host for them.  I was hoping to run on one of our shared platforms but it may be I'll just roll a webserver just for them.
07:58 ashimema @later tell wizzyrea any chance we could hide the vm koha (314) a bit better from the downloads page on koha-community.. it's a tad misleading
07:58 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
07:58 glen Hence my wnting a shortcut and reluctance to have an orphan OS
07:59 ashimema understandable.. though your customer would likely get a less than wonderful experience using a koha that's no longer supported.. having said that it 'should' be trivial to update the koha in place on the vm
07:59 ashimema what details are you lacking.. the os logins, or the koha app logins?
08:00 ashimema if you have console access.. which of course you should.. you should be able to find the koha admin login details in the config file
08:00 glen They are a not-for-profit and have a very small library and few subscribers.  They had KOHA recommended to them by someone else.
08:01 ashimema if it's a package based install (i have no idea at this point what that vm was built as) then /etc/koha/sites/whatever/koha-conf.xml is your friend.
08:01 glen Yep have console access and it asks for a user and password, not suer if that is for the OS or is running the ap already.
08:02 glen My preferred install is probably from a tar file on a Fedora 20 webserver, so I might clone one of our platforms so that I can add extar dependencies without impacting other users
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08:03 ashimema that sounds like the optimal solution for you to be honest..
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08:03 ashimema I'm currently searching through a few years of mail to see if I can dig out those login details for you
08:04 ashimema but I'm not feeling very hopeful I'm afriad
08:04 glen Cool, no problem starting again, just an hour or so omf my time :-(
08:05 glen Thanks for your comments.  If you do find anything can you email me, I may still have a go at the 'appliance approach'
08:06 glen lo
08:06 ashimema sure thing
08:06 ashimema sorry I couldn't be of much help :(
08:07 glen Nice to know there is a community out there though :-)
08:12 * cait waves
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08:20 * cait waves
08:24 * magnuse waves
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08:40 magnuse woohoo - batch checkout!
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08:43 andreashm woot
08:44 magnuse :-)
08:45 andreashm anyone know if there has been any progress on the base for the restful api, if it will make it into 3.22?
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08:46 ashimema 'tis on todays hit list for me
08:46 magnuse bug 13799
08:46 wahanui somebody said bug 13799 was ready to go in master, if nobody complains about it
08:46 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Add base for building RESTful API
08:46 andreashm ashimema: sounds great!
08:47 magnuse go ashimema go!
08:49 cait ashimema++
08:49 cait i distracted him with another bug question *hides*
08:50 andreashm caaaaait! =)
08:51 * cait makes herself invisible
08:52 andreashm cait: while I'm at it, how's it going with (Viktors) bugs related to overdues/notises? =)
08:52 cait i am trying to work throuhg the qa list best i can this week - going by age a bit
08:53 cait there is lots of good stuff in there, but probably nt all will make it before monday :(
08:53 * magnuse gives cait the rest of the week off work
08:53 cait hah
08:53 cait that would be great :)
08:53 * andreashm too
08:54 andreashm tell your boss I said so! =)
08:54 * magnuse too!
08:54 andreashm "Scandinavia said I can take the week off"
08:54 cait we have a go live next week too... so
08:54 andreashm bah.
08:54 andreashm =)
08:54 cait yeah, full month :)
08:55 andreashm this fall has been crazy busy, every month since coming back from summer vacation.
08:56 andreashm so much so that we haven't had time to test the OAI harvester, so it won't make it into 3.22. =(
08:56 magnuse gah, the item edit form for biblios is subtly different from the form you get when you receive a serial issue and add an item...
08:57 cait i feel with you... pretty much the same problem here
08:57 cait i almost had working order emails... but never got to finish them really :(
08:58 cait there will still be a lot of nice things in this release
08:58 cait like the enh for the on-site checouts
08:58 cait batch checkouts sound intersting too
08:58 cait a lot of things i can remember right now as well :)
09:00 cait can't remember...
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09:04 andreashm REST API! =)
09:05 magnuse git shortlog 22a6d3fe2ef8f4aad8b689c577bf347954301481..HEAD :-)
09:10 magnuse or git log --oneline 22a6d3fe2ef8f4aad8b689c577bf347954301481..HEAD
09:10 andreashm how does Koha check for duplicates (matching records)? Are there set rules, or can you configure this?
09:11 magnuse i thnk there are two different ways - if you enter a new record it compares the title and maybe author. if you do a batch import you can set up matching rules
09:11 magnuse i think...
09:14 magnuse ah yes Home › Administration › Record matching rules
09:14 * ashimema goes for tea.. upon return it time to think swagger
09:17 andreashm Tea and Swagger! Tea and Swagger!
09:18 * andreashm just thought it sounded funny. Disregard.
09:19 andreashm Does Koha care if imported records with ISBN number have dashes in them or not? I.e. would it affect searches/matching for duplicates etc.?
09:22 andreashm like, for batch exports, should we strip ISBN:s to numbers only for Koha's matching rules to work?
09:22 andreashm batch imports, I mean
09:23 magnuse i think it used to matter, but i am not sure if it has been fixed
09:23 magnuse it uses the zebra indexes
09:23 * andreashm has a scambled barin today. Was up a lot during the night with Ruby.
09:23 magnuse not the programming language, i presume?
09:23 andreashm magnuse: did you look at that for ftp2koha?
09:24 andreashm or did you leave it up to Halland to make sure its setting from LIBRIS would work with the matching rules?
09:26 magnuse hm, i don't think i thought about it...
09:28 magnuse or did i?
09:29 magnuse btw bug 13528, but "this only works if UseQueryParser is disabled"
09:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13528 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Ability to search on the different isbn variations
09:31 magnuse andreashm: doesn't look like we do any matching:[…]/ i have a faint memory telling me that might be how they wanted it
09:35 cait andreashm: what doy ou want to do?
09:35 cait we have a matching rule on 001 for example - that's the identifier from our union catalog for us
09:38 Joubu hello
09:38 cait morning Joubu :)
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09:42 drojf hi #koha
09:51 cait hi drojf
09:56 drojf hi cait
09:56 drojf just finished the german translation for the staff client. looks like the server exploded at the last one
09:57 drojf no, it just said i reached the end, but the popup was out if the screen
09:58 drojf and now it is not all finished. thats funny
10:00 cait drojf: thx a lot for taking care of it
10:00 cait i will focus on qa this week
10:00 cait :)
10:00 cait and... all the other things
10:00 cait lunch! bbl
10:13 Joubu @later tell tcohen why haven't you pushed the last patch on bug 8417?
10:13 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:21 Joubu @later tell tcohen jenkins conf files for master u14 and d7 are not in sync (3 t/db_dependent/www/* entries are missing for d7). And they fail because KOHA_INTRANET_URL is not defined
10:21 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:23 Joubu @later tell pianohacker as futur MM for the admin area, bugs 14828, 14836 and 14889 might interest you
10:23 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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10:37 andreashm back. reading the log.
10:39 andreashm cait: we might end up going with batch importing (magnuse's ftp2koha work: if OAI harvesting is not complete when we go live.
10:41 andreashm one export parameter from LIBRIS is how to handle ISBN (depending on matching rules in the local systems). but we should be able to match 001 (LIBRIS Id) as well.
10:57 cait andreashm: that's what we currently do - a nightly import using the staged marc import from command line
10:57 cait there are scripts to do that -just a little hidden
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10:58 andreashm cait: ok, thanks
11:01 cait it seems to work quite well... if that is helpful to know :)
11:03 drojf cait: team german done :)
11:04 drojf wasn't much really
11:04 drojf but i have not tested yet
11:04 cait great - thx!
11:04 cait drojf++
11:08 magnuse drojf: wanna do the nb-NO intranet one too?
11:10 drojf magnuse: not dure if my norwegian is enough :D
11:11 drojf sure
11:15 magnuse oh well, i tried... ;-)
11:18 magnuse ooh, look at bug 15042, all ready to be signed off
11:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15042 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Barcode <branchcode>yymm0001 does not work when receiving serials
11:21 cait khall: just saw your follow up - i think there will be a conflict with the patch for the grace period (both go in smart-rules) so probably willl need to rebase one of those
11:21 khall yeah, I bet you are right!
11:22 khall cait: do you recall that bug number?
11:22 drojf cait: tried the translation files on a 3.20.4, no errors
11:22 khall 13590
11:22 khall cait: you're referring to bug 13590 right?
11:22 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13590 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add ability to charge fines at start of charge period
11:23 cait khall: not pushed yet, but one will be the first... and then the other will need a little love i think
11:23 cait yep
11:23 khall right, I'm going to make 9129 depend on 13590 and resolve the conflicts
11:24 cait not sure what works best - leaving it to you
11:24 cait just noticed it could get a problem
11:25 drojf @later tell mveron de-DE is done (if you want to use it for de-CH)
11:25 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
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11:30 khall cait: can you qa 15043 quick? It's the easiest qa you'll ever do ; )
11:31 magnuse bug 15043
11:31 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15043 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Bottom table header row for circulation rules missing a column
11:33 Joubu khall: I have already submitted a patch for that
11:33 khall Joubu: excellent! I'll close mine out
11:33 khall Joubu: what's the bug number?
11:34 Joubu I have added it on bug 14045 actually
11:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14045 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add specific quotas to on-site checkout
11:34 Joubu I thought Tomas would have pushed it directly
11:34 khall nope
11:35 Joubu @later tell tcohen, please push the followup on bug 14045
11:35 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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11:37 magnuse talk of the rm...
11:39 Joubu tcohen: hi :)
11:40 khall mornin tcohen!
11:42 tcohen hi Joubu
11:42 tcohen hi khall
11:43 tcohen Joubu: I forgot about 8417 followup
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11:43 Joubu tcohen: and 14045 too :)
11:43 tcohen and it is possible that not all nodes have the apahe confguration
11:44 * tcohen makes notes for when he reaches the office (having breakfast now)
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11:45 tcohen hi fridolin
11:45 magnuse on my plack install i had koha set to store sessions in memcached, but no memcached. i installed memcached and restarted my instance, but koha is still creating cgisess_* files in /tmp. anything particular i need to do to get that to work?
11:45 fridolin hie tcohen
11:45 * andreashm waves
11:46 tcohen hi andreashm
11:46 fridolin magnuse: there are memcache env vars in Apache config I know
11:46 magnuse yup, those should be ok
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11:47 tcohen whatsup magnuse?
11:48 tcohen ah
11:48 andreashm is there a way to send a notice when a book is marked as lost, currently?
11:48 tcohen magnuse: you need to restart plack, once things are loaded, they remain in memory
11:49 magnuse tcohen: with "sudo koha-plack --restart <instance>" or something else?
11:49 tcohen magnuse: exactly
11:49 magnuse i already did that...
11:49 tcohen so it is not working?
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11:51 magnuse hm, maybe it's working now...
11:51 magnuse nope, still getting new cgisess files
12:13 cait @later tell Viktor ping!
12:13 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
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12:24 tcohen hi
12:24 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
12:30 magnuse what are the usernames/passwords for the plack demo from bywater again?
12:31 magnuse found it, soory!
12:31 Joubu magnuse: test_xxx / test_xxx with 1 <= xxx <= 100
12:36 magnuse Joubu: thanks!
12:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14045: Add missing th in tfoot <[…]8cf6a92aa463454fb> / Bug 8417: Fix test <[…]bc360643a5daa205d>
12:39 Joubu khall: thanks for your comment on bug 12768! :)
12:39 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12768 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maxime.beaulieu, In Discussion , Replacement cost and processing fee management
12:39 khall np!
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12:56 andreashm Ah, 12768 - I still hope it can make it in 3.22, if they manage to fix it in time.
12:56 cait close call now
12:56 cait hope they are aware of the deadline
12:57 magnuse bug 12768
12:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12768 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maxime.beaulieu, In Discussion , Replacement cost and processing fee management
12:57 magnuse in discussion? not good...
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12:58 Joubu magnuse: "in discussion" is good, when a discussion exists :)
12:59 Joubu magnuse: and the discussion is just starting, feel free to comment if you have any opinion
12:59 magnuse true :-)
12:59 andreashm cait: I'm sure they are, but I saw that Viktor is sick apparently (got an auto reply when I sent him an email today)
13:00 andreashm don't know if any of the devlopers are watching.
13:00 cait oh noes
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13:01 andreashm but Eivin is on the cc, at least.
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13:28 tcohen Joubu++ # jenkins back to stable
13:29 Joubu \o/
13:31 cait Joubu++
13:32 tcohen jenkins fixed?
13:32 wahanui well, jenkins fixed is
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13:33 * tcohen wanted to make an akira reference but is not really good at that
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13:36 magnuse ooh weirdness. under plack, if you are logged out, go to http://intranet/cgi-bin/koha/ and log in, you end up on http://intranet/intranet/ which is 404
13:36 Joubu tcohen: will you watch rugby on sunday?
13:36 tcohen probably :-D
13:37 drojf can i escape things in the patron import tool? it explodes with records that have " or , in a field
13:37 tcohen magnuse, that's not in master
13:37 tcohen right?
13:37 Joubu I hope you will play All Blacks in final :)
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13:38 magnuse tcohen: no, 3.20.x with a backport of your koha-plack stuff
13:38 tcohen magnuse: exactly :-D
13:38 tcohen you need
13:39 tcohen bug 15005
13:39 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15005 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , (Plack) Use of SCRIPT_NAME makes Koha generate wrong URIs
13:39 drojf also the encoding in the report after patron import is broken
13:40 cait drojf: hmm, i think there was something about using multiple "" or so...
13:40 cait and your import file need to be utf-8 without bom
13:40 drojf no the encoding is fine. just the report is wrong
13:40 cait report it :)
13:40 drojf i'll make a screenshot if it comes again. yes
13:41 Joubu drojf: Are you sure it's plack related?
13:41 drojf Joubu: not at all
13:41 Joubu drojf: it's certainly not
13:41 drojf there is no plack here atm ;)
13:41 drojf sorry for the confusion
13:41 Joubu actually I thought I have already fixed it, but I don't find a bug report
13:41 tcohen Joubu: i'm bisecting the search bug
13:42 tcohen search tests problem
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13:48 magnuse ah, thanks tcohen
14:00 tcohen khall: 12c82427550a4a53e2148d9bf479db3425fef8fd
14:00 khall lol
14:01 tcohen a sec
14:01 tcohen
14:02 Joubu what does
14:02 tcohen KOHA_USER=kohaadmin KOHA_PASS=katikoan KOHA_INTRANET_URL=http://koha_master:8080 PERL5LIB=. KOHA_CONF="/home/jenkins/koh​a_master/etc/koha-conf.xml" prove t/db_dependent/www/auth_values_input_www.t > /dev/null 2>&1
14:03 tcohen koha_master points to localhost in /etc/hosts
14:03 * tcohen will now patch kohadevbox so it sets those ENV variables for koha-shell kohadev
14:04 tcohen khall, Joubu: I'm sure some layout changed so the tests need to be fixed to match the page structure
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14:15 fridolin tcohen: where could we find the new features that will come into 3.22 ?
14:16 Joubu nowhere
14:16 fridolin does it even exist ?
14:16 Joubu no
14:16 tcohen there are no features frido
14:16 tcohen .-P
14:16 Joubu feature slush is not passed yet
14:16 tcohen i can build them for you, later
14:16 fridolin tcohen: heuuu new big enhancements
14:16 Joubu git log origin/master ?
14:17 fridolin oki
14:17 fridolin :D
14:17 tcohen or you can build the release notes the same way you did for 3.14
14:17 Joubu using bugzilla, search for feature/enhancement with status=pushed to master
14:17 tcohen but for master
14:17 fridolin Joubu: oki I whas thinking about that
14:17 fridolin thanks
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14:46 reiveune bye
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14:52 Joubu @later tell tcohen see last patch on bug 10363
14:52 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:52 Joubu @later tell tcohen did you apply 15021 on the plack test server?
14:52 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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15:10 Joubu bye
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15:24 cait bug 10363
15:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10363 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is no package for authorised values.
15:48 gaetan_B bye
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16:02 pianohacker good
16:02 pianohacker morning
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16:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14900: Add ability to pay all fees at once from circulation screen <[…]5bb41a78f2e5a516a> / Bug 14154: 608$9 defined twice in UNIMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml <[…]e0c13e3ec5e41a142> / Bug 14871: Extend the patrons search to search like %$term% (checkout
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17:20 * cait waves
17:21 * pianohacker waves at cait
17:21 cait hello :)
17:22 pianohacker @seen wnickc
17:22 huginn pianohacker: wnickc was last seen in #koha 4 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <wnickc> bye all
17:23 pianohacker dangit me wants a rancor signoff
17:23 pianohacker wantsssssss
17:25 cait that would be nice
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19:01 IceCube Hello all, I was here a few days ago working on moving a databse from an old server to a new one.
19:01 IceCube That migration had some problems so I'm trying it again with a fresh install of everything
19:02 IceCube I have a question about importing the db
19:02 cait what is it?
19:02 wahanui it is something we could get funding for (hint, hint). =) so what would you think is needed more than adding a triple-store for Koha to be able to harvest records from LIBRIS (if we also develop the harvester to handle RDF)? Any ideas?
19:02 IceCube hi cait
19:02 IceCube well I followed the directions on the "Koha on Debian" guide
19:03 cait can you give me the link?
19:03 IceCube I'm at the point of accessing the web interface but I haven't done that yet
19:03 IceCube[…]bian#Install_Koha
19:03 IceCube Should I import the databse first and then go to the web interface, or vice versa
19:03 cait hm
19:03 cait i'd import the db now
19:03 cait while it's empty
19:03 cait and then the web installer will probably prompt you for updates
19:04 IceCube ok
19:04 cait i assume the db is an older version?
19:04 IceCube I'll give that a try
19:04 IceCube thanks, cait
19:04 cait keeping fingers crosseed
19:04 IceCube haha yeahhh....
19:04 IceCube this time I'm making a clone of the vm before I move on!  Last time I had to start over with a new one because something got corrupted along the way
19:05 cait a clone never hurts
19:05 cait but improting the db should cause no problems
19:05 IceCube I am Irish and I am subject to Murphy's law
19:05 IceCube so it seems, anyways.
19:05 cait aren't we all? i think he doesn't care about natoinality
19:06 IceCube Well the Irish have spread all over the world so I guess they took him with them!
19:06 cait germs?
19:06 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
19:06 cait ...
19:08 cait ;)
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19:14 * cait waves
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20:22 tcohen hi
20:24 tcohen @later tell Joubu no and no
20:24 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
20:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10363: (QA followups) Fix tests <[…]df75d4ea2bd3091c8>
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20:46 wizzyrea me being back means that is back ;)
20:46 wizzyrea ashimema: sure.
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20:48 jcamins wizzyrea: we missed you! 45 minutes with no wizzyrea!
20:48 tcohen hi ashimema, any news on the REST guidelines?
20:49 wizzyrea :) I may drop off again
20:49 wizzyrea because since everyone thinks that kc might be down, I think I might take the upgrade to kvm from xen
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20:49 wizzyrea which will take ~6m
20:52 tcohen hi jcamins
20:53 jcamins Hello.
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20:55 wizzyrea all done!
20:55 tcohen wizzyrea++
20:56 wizzyrea haha 9:49-9:55, 6m indeed.
20:58 * tcohen suspects that's too accurate, even for wizzyrea
20:59 wizzyrea ^.^
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21:15 tcohen @later tell Joubu now is yes and yes
21:15 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
21:19 pianohacker now?
21:19 wahanui hey now now, sing this corrosion to me
21:19 pianohacker now?
21:19 wahanui hey now now, sing this corrosion to me
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21:37 jcamins @later tell tcohen Yeah, I know people who use Zebra with TEI.
21:37 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
21:40 cait hm ok
21:40 cait what is this trying to tell me?
21:40 cait Dumping manual schema for Koha::Schema to directory ./ ...
21:40 cait DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader::make_schema_at(): Checksum mismatch in './/Koha/Schema/Result/', the auto-generated part of the file has been modified outside of this loader.  Aborting.
21:40 cait If you want to overwrite these modifications, set the 'overwrite_modifications' loader option.
21:45 tcohen that means you modified the file outside the place it can be done
21:47 cait hm
21:47 cait tcohen: could you take a quick glance at 9129=
21:47 cait ?
21:47 cait it happens when I try to test this
21:48 cait and there are also some strange warns when running the test
21:50 tcohen oh
21:50 tcohen he should have left the schema update patch out of the first patch
21:50 tcohen so you can regenerate it on your own
21:51 cait he made it dependent on the other patch - maybe he fixed a conflict... and then this is what is causing hte problem now
21:51 cait ?
21:51 tcohen because you cannot just merge it, because the schema generator will notice the hash doesn't match the file
21:51 tcohen cait: probably
21:52 tcohen maybe if you manage to strip that out of the patch?
21:53 cait did you see my last commen t- is that cuased by the first problem or another problem?
21:53 cait it's late here, so I will ask kyle to fix
21:54 tcohen he has fixed some conflict, for sure
21:54 tcohen merged something
21:54 cait yeah probably
21:54 cait i pointed out to him that his 2 patches would be in conflict
21:54 cait once in your queue
21:54 cait because both add new options to issuingrules
21:54 cait so he tried to prevent that by making htem dependent on each other
21:54 tcohen it always happens with dbix updates...
21:55 tcohen he should have provided separate DBIx patches, for people without the knowledge to be able to test his patches
21:55 tcohen but expecting them to be regenerated on QA or when being pushed
21:56 cait i am asking him to make them separate
21:56 tcohen because any change to the table he is changing will make his own changes useless
21:56 tcohen because git will try to merge, and the hash won't be valid anymore
21:58 eythian hi
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22:02 * andreashm waves
22:04 * cait waves back
22:04 cait ruby?
22:04 wahanui i heard ruby was easy to install. Any > 1.8.7 works fine
22:05 andreashm sleeping
22:05 andreashm I should be too.
22:05 eythian wahanui: that is a lie
22:05 wahanui OK, eythian.
22:05 andreashm but am annoyed I can't get a SRU server to work in Koha
22:06 drojf evening
22:06 andreashm hi
22:06 drojf what is the problem with sru?
22:07 andreashm don't know. I can access it through the browser, but can't make it work in Koha
22:07 cait do you want to download in koha or activate koha's sru?
22:07 andreashm this one:
22:07 andreashm cait: I want to test downloading for ctaloging
22:07 andreashm cataloging
22:08 andreashm I guess I'm filling out the SRU form wrong somehow.
22:08 cait can you share how you set it up?
22:08 cait it's a bit tricky
22:08 cait i still have to really read the specs you sent too :(
22:08 * cait needs more time in a day
22:11 andreashm sure
22:11 andreashm cait: who doesn't? :)
22:15 pastebot "andreashm" at pasted "SRU" (18 lines) at
22:16 andreashm not sure that's readable. I could take a screenshot instead.
22:19 cait drojf: still around?
22:19 drojf yes
22:19 cait do you have the dnb sru at hand to compare maybe?
22:19 drojf looking for my sru notes
22:19 drojf heh
22:19 cait yeah mine are at work :)
22:20 drojf i have a blogpost that i kind of forgot to ever post about it. lol
22:20 cait andreashm: you might be missing something in the sru options thing
22:20 cait can you share the page with the data you are tying to use too?
22:22 andreashm I have just tried searching for author: strindberg
22:23 andreashm if anyone has an actual SRU server setup that works, I'd like to see it yeah. =)
22:23 andreashm but right now I think its time for bed.
22:23 andreashm can look at it again tomorrow.
22:23 cait try the keyword search first
22:23 andreashm might help when people are at work
22:24 cait andreashm: i promised viktor notes about the dnb one - can send to you as wlel
22:24 cait hopefully tomorrow... but no promises
22:24 andreashm cait: thanks, that would be great
22:24 andreashm hehe
22:24 andreashm nope, nothing with keywords.
22:25 cait hm i remember i got one working for another union catalog here
22:25 cait i will check what i have
22:25 andreashm thanks a bunch
22:27 drojf works for me
22:27 cait drojf might have better notes for the dnb one tho :)
22:27 cait andreashm: check for additional spaces
22:27 drojf i have the kb one running
22:27 andreashm drojf: what does?
22:27 cait at the end of url and such
22:27 * wnickc waves
22:27 * cait had that break things
22:27 cait hi wnickc
22:28 wnickc hi cait
22:28 andreashm drojf: oh really?
22:28 wahanui really is more trouble than she's worth.
22:28 cait drojf+
22:28 drojf will upload a screenshot, mom
22:28 cait drojf++ even
22:28 andreashm drojf++
22:30 cait btw... i need a sign off for 14246 as a dependency for things in my queue...
22:30 cait (wonder how they got there without that patch... but...)
22:30 cait bug 14246
22:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14246 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, xarragon, Needs Signoff , Add borrowernumber to koha_news
22:31 drojf would have been faster to type it. lol
22:32 cait oh
22:32 cait sru/libris in database
22:33 cait and the get
22:33 andreashm hehe
22:33 andreashm thanks a lot drojf!!
22:34 cait drojf: i use Shutter for screenshots and it can directly upload via ftp and let's you directly paste the url - it's really helpful
22:35 andreashm I had sru/libris in database for a while, and tried sru=get, but I think the main thing was that I used as hostname and not
22:35 cait drojf++ again :)
22:36 andreashm cait: that's a useful tip
22:36 andreashm cait++
22:36 andreashm drojf++
22:36 cait link works :)
22:36 drojf andreashm: you can find that in the info of the server
22:36 cait i will point Viktor there instead of using my own confusing notes :)
22:36 drojf andreashm: shows the server info
22:37 andreashm drojf: yeah, I saw that, but went with the name/link from KB:s webiste instead. stupid me. =)
22:37 drojf but i thoink the other works too
22:37 drojf i only tried in yaz client, it works there
22:37 andreashm alright, I'm of to bed. thanks again!
22:37 cait wow
22:37 drojf but sru is always weird. it took me ages to get the dnb working
22:37 cait long post!
22:38 drojf cait: i wrote that months ago and forgot
22:38 drojf and thought we should probably fix the bug with the ~
22:38 drojf ;)
22:38 cait tops the notes i had form the library :)
22:38 cait did you file it? :P
22:39 drojf no, i wanted to look into it and then 100 other things happened :D
22:39 cait if you get bored... see if 10612 does delete borrowers with checkouts correctly for you?
22:39 pianohacker bug 10612
22:39 wahanui hmmm... bug 10612 is weird
22:39 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Add ability to delete patrons with batch patron deletion tool
22:40 pianohacker cait: is that correctly deletes or correctly does not delete?
22:40 cait i had a lot of bad and strange things happen on my database testing htis
22:40 cait like... it said it deleted but then i had  an entry for the same patron in borrowers and deletedborrowers
22:40 cait ... which is... wel
22:40 cait l
22:40 pianohacker that's a thing, yeah
22:40 cait jonathan says it works for him
22:40 cait so we have a pat
22:41 cait hm draw?
22:41 cait whatever
22:41 wahanui and ever, amen.
22:41 eythian that's what transactions are for
22:41 eythian do the move in a transaction and it either totally succeeds or totally fails
22:41 eythian no half-way state
22:42 eythian it's the whole point of the A in ACID
22:43 pianohacker one question I've always had about designing APIs around that; do you shove the commit logic in the controllers? You can't put it in the model, really, as there may be multiple model calls per logical operation
22:48 eythian well
22:48 eythian that's a tricky problem
22:48 eythian if it really needs to be atomic, I think you're better doing it in one call.
22:48 eythian either that or have a structure that lets you wrap multiple calls in a transaction.
22:48 eythian passing in a list of subs or something
22:49 pianohacker yeah, that's where the controller/model divide gets... weird
22:49 pianohacker there's stuff that belongs in the gaps between them
22:49 eythian but, if the call to the model is "delete user", then the model should know to "start transaction, write user to deleted_users, delete user from users, commit transaction"
22:49 eythian because that's what deleting a user really is
22:50 eythian but that's not always possible
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22:51 pianohacker but then you get into issues like, say, merging borrowers
22:52 pianohacker where the whole higher level operation of "transfer history/checkouts/etc., delete original" needs to be one transaction
22:52 eythian yep
22:52 pianohacker it's one of those problems that you always feel should have been solved 10 years ago but any google search leads to "have fun writing it yourself!"
22:53 eythian there's probably a design pattern for it :)
22:53 pianohacker is this just lowercase design pattern or design pattern with a capital Java?
22:53 eythian probably both, but I was thinking of the latter
22:54 eythian actually, your request managing system could create a transaction for the request
22:54 eythian so the whole thing succeeds or fails
22:54 eythian it's basically pushing the problem outwards
22:55 eythian though, there probably are situations where a failure is OK because you check for it and you don't want to abort the whole transaction
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22:55 eythian I dunno, ask papa, I bet he knows
22:56 drojf good night #koha
22:56 eythian hi drojf
22:56 eythian bye drojf
22:56 drojf hibye eythian
22:56 eythian see, one transaction!
22:57 pianohacker hahahaha
22:58 pianohacker I dunno, drojf's response seemed to have autocommit on...
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23:01 eythian[…]56798423878799360
23:02 wizzyrea teehee
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23:20 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
23:21 mtompset eythian++ # bug 14884
23:21 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14884 critical, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , [3.20.X] Test failure from Bug 14470
23:22 mtompset Joubu++ # bug 14884
23:34 papa sorry, what was the question?
23:34 mtompset are you asking me? :)
23:34 mtompset I was wondering about conflict markers ages back, eythian and Joubu fixed it.
23:35 eythian[…]5-10-21#i_1744878 <-- papa, starting here
23:36 pianohacker Holy crap!
23:36 * wahanui blesses crap
23:36 pianohacker AaaaaaaaaaaaA!
23:36 pianohacker bug 11559
23:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Professional cataloger's interface
23:36 pianohacker woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo​oooooooooooooooooooooooooooha!
23:36 eythian signed off?!
23:36 wahanui i heard signed off was the queue the QA team should watch
23:36 eythian surely that's an accident!
23:36 pianohacker nope! :D
23:36 * pianohacker dances on the ceiling
23:36 eythian oh great, now we have to clean the footprints off the ceiling
23:37 eythian also, someone turn the gravity back on
23:37 pianohacker *thump* ow!
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23:38 wnickc mtompsett are you testing 14246?
23:38 wnickc mtompset:^^
23:39 mtompset Yes, working on it.
23:39 wnickc cause I was too, so I'll let you sign off
23:39 wnickc it works according to me :-)
23:39 mtompset Multiple sign offs is good.
23:40 wnickc fair point
23:40 papa well, without reading carefully I can tell you what I do most of the times: I do two layers - an atomic one, and then (controller) calls transaction wrapper with a sub that does atomic calls
23:40 mtompset
23:40 papa but that's just my pref
23:40 mtompset (Dancing on the ceiling by Lionel Richie)
23:41 pianohacker I knew I was referencing something
23:44 wnickc pianohacker: you do realize if it gets in you are going to be simultaneously praised and attacked by catalogers?
23:45 pianohacker wnickc: oh, trust me, I know
23:45 wnickc with DEMANDS for new features! and workflows you can't comprehend
23:45 pianohacker I'm asking for qa testing from a group of people the library industry calls detail oriented
23:46 pianohacker catalogers++ ;)
23:46 wnickc pianohacker++ rancor++
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23:59 pianohacker bye all
23:59 pianohacker wnickc++

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