IRC log for #koha, 2015-07-27

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00:28 eythian @wunder nzwn
00:28 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (12:00 PM NZST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
00:28 eythian I wonder when it was last that warm here
00:30 rangi it has  been a while
00:31 Francesca nicer than it was earlier for sure
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01:08 Francesca @wunder wlg
01:08 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (1:00 PM NZST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
01:08 Francesca wahanui botsnack cookie
01:08 wahanui :)
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03:35 * Francesca does a happy dance
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04:52 eythian well that reindex ran about 10× faster than normal.
04:52 eythian I wonder what's wrong with it.
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04:55 mario @later tell cindy Ping me when you get in. Gracias
04:55 huginn` mario: The operation succeeded.
05:09 eythian 'MapperParsingException[mapping [data]]; nested: MapperParsingException[Unknown field [search_analyser]]; '
05:09 eythian ^-- damn you America and your poor excuse for spelling!
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05:36 Francesca @wunder wlg
05:36 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
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06:52 reiveune hello
06:52 wahanui salut, reiveune
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07:00 marcelr hi #koha
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07:01 alex_a bonjour
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07:34 gaetan_B hello
07:34 wahanui bonjour, gaetan_B
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07:36 liw rangi, blog: why I don't use github or facebook
07:36 liw gah
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07:36 liw rangi, I meant to say, I think this might be of interest to you:
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08:42 cait @wunder Konstanz
08:42 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 19.4°C (10:42 AM CEST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
08:44 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk
08:44 huginn` ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 16.9°C (9:40 AM BST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
08:44 cait hi ashimema :)
08:44 ashimema good morning cait
08:44 ashimema back from hols now.. :)
08:44 cait oh nice - where have you been?
08:46 ashimema norfolk broads.
08:46 ashimema was nice.. no wifi or mobile signal so had to stay completely offline for a week..
08:46 ashimema nice.. but the mountain of emails is even wrose than usual this morning ;)
08:47 cait heh
08:47 cait you probably can delete a lot of them *optimistic*
08:48 ashimema one would hope
08:48 ashimema I tend to find if your only away for a week though, that no-one else picks them up for you as things can wait a week usually..
08:49 ashimema if you go away for two.. I often find the email queue is actually clearer ;)
08:54 cait heh - so always leave for 2 weeks!
08:57 ashimema hehe.. indeed
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10:22 Francesca @wunder wlg
10:22 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (10:00 PM NZST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
10:40 nlegrand hey #koha
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10:56 kivilahtio Why aren't we using Moose for Koha::Object?
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11:03 drojf hi #koha
11:38 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
11:38 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 19.0°C (1:20 PM CEST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
11:40 cait kivilahtio: talking about hiding the record - not the items. the code snippet is there on purpose in my understanding
11:41 kivilahtio cait: it is too late to hide it there. It needs to be hidden in the search results, now it just causes misery.
11:41 cait it's the feature as it was written
11:41 cait you can't just change the behaviour
11:41 cait i have a lot of libraries using it BECAUSE it will also hide the record
11:42 cait the other option is to display a nice message, like the feature drojf did for opacsuppression
11:42 cait or make it optional - keeping the behaviour for existing installations
11:45 kivilahtio cait: Ok.
11:46 kivilahtio cait: with my patch I get the text "No physical items for this record"
11:46 kivilahtio cait: what if that text was changed to "No Items currently available"
11:47 kivilahtio cait: this way we can still see the record and tell users that no items are available, instead of no items exists, because the search results listing says items exists.
11:47 kivilahtio this would cause unnecessary complexity to the templates they don't need.
11:47 kivilahtio and it would be better to fix it in the search layer.
11:48 cait kivilahtio: the point is that the bibliographic information shouldn't show either :)
11:48 cait that's the expected behaviou
11:48 cait r
11:48 kivilahtio cait: what if you want to export hte MARC?
11:48 cait some libraries are not really keen on showing any records without item
11:48 kivilahtio ok
11:49 kivilahtio point taken
11:49 cait the expectation is that it's hidden - i am not saying other use cases wouldn't make sense too
11:49 cait just that we can't change the existing behaviur by just deleting the code - we need to make it an option
11:49 kivilahtio cait: I dont want YASP
11:49 cait the surprise if you use that to hide internal stuff and it just reappears on update would not be appreciated i think
11:49 kivilahtio I agree
11:50 kivilahtio I will just let it be like that since we are going to change to ElasticSearch and be done with this Zebra madness
11:50 kivilahtio no point resuscitating it
11:52 drojf i don't think the function will change with elasticsearch, as it is supposed to replace zebra and work how zebra works now… (missed the beginning of your discussion though)
11:55 cait drojf: maybe it filters the records out before they go into the display...
11:55 cait that would fix the issue of holes in the listed results
11:55 cait but i can't even tell if robin has implemented opachiddenitems for elasticsearch yet
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11:59 drojf i suppose it is not his biggest concern at the moment :)
12:03 kivilahtio prolly not :)
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12:38 nlegrand Can't call method "do" on unblessed reference at /home/koha/koha-src/C4/ line 793.
12:38 nlegrand ^ I've read this is because I don't have a KOHA_CONF in my apache2 conf
12:38 kivilahtio nlegrand: you dont have the databse user configured corectly
12:39 nlegrand but, I'm pretty sure I've got one... You don't know any other common issues with this error ?
12:39 nlegrand kivilahtio: argh, that may be possible, thanks
12:39 kivilahtio nlegrand: we get that when the Perl script tries to connect to DB but MariaDB/MySQL permissions are not set
12:39 kivilahtio nlegrand: there definetely should be some other kind of an error notification
12:39 kivilahtio nlegrand: that is actually quite common error to happen
12:40 kivilahtio nlegrand: and remembering why it happens is occasionally a pain.
12:40 kivilahtio nlegrand: you can easily test it by connecting to your MariaDB server from the command line
12:41 nlegrand kivilahtio: found it... I forgot to create the database... It's fixed now, thanks kivilahtio :)
12:41 kivilahtio nlegrand: thanks you!
12:41 kivilahtio nlegrand: we all love your work
12:41 nlegrand mhm
12:42 nlegrand kivilahtio: are you sure i'm the personn you think I am? :)
12:42 nlegrand Cause I've just contributed tiny bits to koha ^^
12:42 kivilahtio nlegrand: I think so, but if not, then somebody somewhere still loves your work
12:43 nlegrand my nick looks a bit like nengard's maybe ^^
12:43 nlegrand kivilahtio: ^^
12:43 kivilahtio nlegrand: that is true
12:43 liw I was told anyone who's contributed even a single bit to Koha is an awesome hero. I think so. (self-promotion aside)
12:43 cait :)
12:43 kivilahtio that is also a good point
12:44 kivilahtio liw: where did you hear that?
12:44 liw kivilahtio, I think from rangi, at the Catalyst offices. My memory may have paraphrased a little.
12:46 * cait wishes once again we had a timestamp on the borrowers table
12:46 kivilahtio liw: have you been to New Zealand?
12:46 kivilahtio cait: we should have timestamps in every table
12:46 kivilahtio cait: last_mod_time
12:47 liw kivilahtio, I was in NZ for a few months in 2010, and worked for Catalyst for a bit, adding Debian packaging to Koha
12:47 cait yep, but borrowers is especially annoying today
12:47 cait and the patron import tool shoudl tell me which duplicate cardnumbers it refused to load... not only the last one :)
12:47 cait so liw totally IS a koha hero :)
12:47 kivilahtio liw: How did you end up there?
12:48 kivilahtio it is a long way from Finland.
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12:48 liw kivilahtio, my gf and I wanted to on an adventure, so we went to NZ. (then got married in England, later)
12:49 kivilahtio liw: wow, sounds like a great trip
12:49 kivilahtio liw: getting married is worth it
12:49 liw kivilahtio, clarification: we lived abroad for five years, getting married happened years after NZ :)
12:49 liw anyway, that's not interesting
12:49 cait hah, borrowernumber = date loaded.... somehow
12:50 kivilahtio haah
12:50 liw cait, I'd give most of the credit to eythian (and others?) who continue to maintain the packaging
12:50 kivilahtio liw: I think travelling is always interesting
12:50 kivilahtio take care
12:50 cait liw: but you got the stone rolling :)
12:50 liw cait, I moved a small pebble and it became an avalanche
12:56 kivilahtio man we're rolling!
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13:14 tcohen morning!
13:14 cait morning tcohen
13:18 drojf mveron++ #lots of signoffs
13:19 tcohen hey, let me shrink my queue damn it
13:19 tcohen :-D
13:19 tcohen hi drojf
13:30 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "cait: look" (77 lines) at
13:35 tcohen @seen Joubu
13:35 huginn` tcohen: Joubu was last seen in #koha 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 35 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <Joubu> I will be off for the next 2 weeks, see you!
13:38 drojf hi tcohen
13:42 tcohen question: what might prevent 'warn' to print on the screen?
13:42 tcohen I introduced one in C4::Circultaion for debugging
13:43 tcohen and cannot get the output
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15:59 gaetan_B bye
16:02 cait tcohen: where did you put the warn?
16:02 cait ah sorry, scrolling was broken
16:02 cait and nothing is int he logs?
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16:12 reiveune bye
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16:58 tcohen I put it at the beggining of
16:59 tcohen the warn worked on the staff interface, but it didn't on the shell
16:59 tcohen I was using kohadevbox with Debian7.8
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19:50 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:50 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 20.6°C (9:49 PM CEST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
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20:10 pianohacker hi cait :)
20:10 pianohacker how are ya?
20:11 rangi morning
20:12 pianohacker hi rangi
20:12 Dyrcona kia ora, rangi.
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20:12 Dyrcona doh! wrong key. ;)
20:12 rangi heh
20:14 cait morning
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22:32 eythian hi
22:40 eythian cait: I haven't implemented opacsupression yet, hiddenitems will probably work anyway as its external to the search process.
22:40 cait eythian: ok
22:41 cait i was mostly trying to explain that we can't change existing behaviour :)
22:44 eythian ah good, I remember having that discussion with someone recently ;)
22:44 cait :P
22:45 cait going to sleep - bye all :)
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22:55 Francesca morning
22:57 eythian wahanui: good morning
22:57 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one
22:57 eythian yeah, that
22:57 wahanui i heard yeah, that was cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha...
22:59 Francesca thats sad wahanui
23:00 Francesca hi eythian
23:08 cdickinson_ I feel dead
23:08 cdickinson_ and apparently, so does my nick
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23:28 Francesca hahaha
23:30 Francesca hey cdickinson if you feel dead, am I now talking to ghost_cdickinson?
23:31 cdickinson that would be cdickinson when cdickinson_ is here
23:31 cdickinson which is too often
23:31 * eythian points out that there is a ghost kill command
23:32 cdickinson yep, know about it
23:32 cdickinson but automating it in XChat is something I don't know how to do yet
23:32 cdickinson as for general deadness, Francesca, you're talking to ghost_cdickinson in spirit, all the time
23:34 Francesca hahaha ok
23:37 cdickinson makes me want to ask the pros whether or not the long nights and taking work home ever ends
23:37 eythian we're contractually obliged not to answer that.
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23:37 cdickinson silenced by the powers that be
23:38 Francesca cdickinson - no matter how much I get done I always end up bringing stuff home regardless
23:38 Francesca (this includes work at uni)
23:43 cdickinson hehe
23:43 cdickinson alright, I'm off, ciao
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