IRC log for #koha, 2015-05-04

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01:45 mtj_ hey #koha, do people prefer the raw or telnet transport flavour, for 3M self-checks?
01:45 rangi neither
01:46 rangi but the 3m machines seem to crash less with raw
01:47 mtj_ a perfect response rangi :)
01:49 mtj_[…]143720332/?type=1
01:49 rangi heh
01:49 mtj_ i love the mahara cupcakes :0)
01:50 rangi you saw the koha ones eh?
01:50 mtj_ hmm,!
01:50 rangi[…]WBX-ayNnFS-qx8CKa
01:52 BobB cool, rangi
01:52 BobB Kristina +1
01:53 mtj_ truuley awesome
01:55 dcook hehe
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03:32 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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04:06 * eythian remembers that if you don't update the changelog, you don't get the right package out the end.
04:07 eythian after getting the wrong versioned package
04:25 mtompset doh! :)
04:35 mtompset eythian: Want to see something ugly? Read C4::Input and look for C4::Context->prepare
04:35 mtompset found that while looking at bug 9006
04:35 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9006 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , autoload in C4::Context is a bad idea
04:37 * eythian wonders what 'infl' is supposed to stand for
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04:39 eythian but yeah, that's some weird code there. It shouldn't have to check the database for existance, that's not the role of a function called that.
04:40 mtompset input field? :)
04:42 eythian I suppose it could be.
04:42 mtompset Anyways, I should sleep. I was rather pleased coming up with a shorter/cleaner way of doing the same thing Joubu did to confirm that intranetdir was the only autoload.
04:42 eythian cool
04:43 mtompset Have a great day, #koha eythian :)
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05:22 * Oak waves
05:23 * cait waves
05:23 Oak hey cait. breakfast done?
05:23 cait not yet
05:23 Oak hmm
05:23 Oak what are you doing now?
05:24 cait waking up mostly :)
05:24 cait bbiab
05:24 Oak :)
05:25 eythian hi cait, hi Oak
05:26 Oak hello Mr. Robin!
05:26 eythian @wunder nzwn
05:26 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on May 04, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling).
05:27 eythian hmm, needs the probability of earthquakes in there too I reckon.
05:27 Oak and sea levels too, perhaps.
05:30 Oak what do i need to read/study/explore to be able to update that wiki page properly? :[…]5-May/042654.html
05:30 Oak I'll read and learn, just need to be pointed in the right direction.
05:31 eythian hmm. Some of the files in the etc directory. I'd grab a keyword out of there like 'Related-periodical' and see which files it shows up in.
05:31 eythian I want to say it's something like, but I might be wrong there.
05:31 eythian dcook is the expert here ;)
05:31 Oak hmm. cool.
05:32 Oak i'll ask him when he
05:32 cait Oak: maybe look at how to add a new index
05:32 Oak 's around.
05:32 cait there are pages for that
05:32 eythian if you find the file, it should become fairly obvious
05:32 Oak hmm. okay cait. i'll check that out.
05:32 cait because some of the index have multiple names - a short form and a long one - you will need to look at 3 files
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05:32 Oak i see. cool.
05:33 cait hm maybe 2 is enough
05:33 Oak i think this will help as well:[…]ng_Zebra_indexing
05:33 Oak it mentions just like eythian said.
05:33 Oak cool.
05:33 cait yes, but don't look at record.abs
05:34 Oak okay.
05:34 cait it's used for grs1 indexing and we have deprecated that
05:34 Oak cool. got it.
05:35 cait you propbably want this one
05:35 cait /etc/koha/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21​/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml
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05:36 Oak ooh yes cait. just opened that file. this looks like it.
05:36 Oak thank you!
05:37 dcook Who, wha?
05:37 dcook Quiet all day then heaps of text :p
05:37 eythian what'd be awesome is having a table that the files are generated from that also generates the documentation.
05:37 Oak hello dcook, the expert dude.
05:38 dcook What's the question?
05:38 wahanui the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
05:38 * dcook thinks wahanui is a jerk
05:40 Oak we should replace him with a cyborg. girl.
05:40 eythian wahanui: boten anna
05:40 wahanui
05:46 Oak :) dcook question was how i update this wiki page http://manual.koha-community.o[…]earchindexes.html properly... where to learn about all the indexed fields. and Mr. Robin and Katrin were helping me with that.
05:47 dcook Oh my...
05:47 Oak Katrin said to look here /etc/koha/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21​/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml and Mr. Robin said about and some files in /etc/ directory
05:47 * dcook ponders
05:47 dcook will probably be your best bet
05:48 Oak cool :)
05:48 dcook Oh... but yeah you'll need to look at  /etc/koha/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21​/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml too
05:48 dcook Actually, I'll just look and tell you rather than guessing myself
05:48 Oak :) got it.
05:49 dcook "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml" will tell you which MARC fields/subfields are mapped to what indexes, which appears to mainly be what you want
05:49 dcook But includes aliases for those indexes, which you'll want to include as well
05:50 dcook bib1.att will show you how the bib1 attributes are mapped to the indexes.
05:51 Oak *now* i get the significance of your earlier "oh my" :)
05:51 Oak dcook++
05:51 dcook hehe
05:51 dcook If I recall correctly, Koha sends CCL queries to Zebra
05:52 dcook Well, it uses a ZOOM perl function to translate CCL to PQF for Zebra
05:52 dcook The bib1 attributes are part of PQF
05:53 * eythian &
05:53 dcook So in you might see something like:
05:53 dcook "Title-uniform 1=Title-uniform"
05:53 dcook later eythian
05:53 dcook "Title-uniform 1=Title-uniform" means...
05:53 Oak hmm
05:54 dcook <Alias> 1=<english index name mapped to bib1 attribute in bib1.att>
05:54 dcook Sorry, that's probably overwhelming
05:54 dcook I'd look at "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml"
05:55 dcook Then ""
05:55 dcook Here's another example
05:55 dcook From "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml":
05:55 dcook <index_leader xmlns="" offset="6" length="1">
05:55 dcook <target_index>rtype:w</target_index>
05:55 dcook </index_leader>
05:55 Oak nah. it's cool. i did not want to interrupt. :)
05:55 cait someon opposed to deleting this file?[…]e3214decd73356823
05:55 dcook So that means it's the 6th character in the leader with a length of 1
05:55 dcook It's indexed in "rtype"
05:56 dcook So on http://manual.koha-community.o[…]earchindexes.html, you might type "leader06" "rtype"
05:56 dcook However, if you look in
05:56 dcook You'll see the following:
05:56 dcook rtype 1=1001
05:56 dcook Record-type rtype
05:56 dcook mc-rtype rtype
05:56 dcook mus rtype
05:56 dcook So really that should be...
05:57 dcook "leader06" "rtype, Record-type, mc-rtype, mus"
05:57 dcook (bib1.att comes into play if you want to double-check that 1001 does in fact map to the "rtype" mentioned in "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml")
05:58 Oak got it.
05:58 dcook \o/
05:58 Oak dcook++
05:58 dcook :)
05:58 Oak \o/ this helps a lot, thank you!
05:58 dcook If you ever want to read Zebra docs, you can also look here: "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml
05:59 dcook Ack
05:59 dcook
05:59 cait we should probably clean the wiki up a bit at some point
05:59 Oak cool. got it.
06:00 dcook I think I wrote a little blog post about it a while ago... but it's possibly wrong and definitely out of date:[…]tes-ccl-and-more/
06:00 dcook I mostly just use that as a little online notepad for myself..
06:01 dcook This can also be useful for understanding
06:01 * Oak copy pasting things dcook said in a text editor
06:01 dcook hehe
06:01 Oak :)
06:01 dcook I keep meaning to do a comprehensive but clear explanation in the wiki one day
06:01 dcook Too many things to do
06:01 dcook For instance, I really should pop around to the post office
06:01 dcook Ciao for now!
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06:02 Oak thanks dcook! see you later.
06:03 * Oak wonders what was the last time he went to a post office....
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06:36 reiveune hello
06:43 * magnuse waves
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06:49 cait bbiab
06:55 magnuse bgkriegel++ for bug 7939!
06:55 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Separate po files for different MARC dialects
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06:59 * magnuse waves again
06:59 alex_a bonjour
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07:03 magnuse @wunder boo
07:03 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on May 04, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
07:04 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:04 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 19.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on May 04, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
07:04 magnuse :-O
07:04 dcook @wunder syd
07:04 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Bardwell Park, Sydney, New South Wales is 19.9°C (5:04 PM AEST on May 04, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
07:04 * dcook waves also
07:04 dcook 81%... no wonder my house is still wet from the storm..
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07:12 magnuse ooh, happy star wars day, #koha!
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07:22 gaetan_B hello
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07:24 marcelr hi #koha
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07:25 cait morning #kha
07:26 cait morning #koha
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07:31 magnuse Oak
07:31 Oak magnuse
07:32 Oak got a light?
07:33 magnuse at least the sun is shining
07:33 kivilahtio Does anybody know if someone has already developed a simple Item editing view with limited permissions.
07:33 cait yes
07:33 kivilahtio We need an interface to rebarcode very quickly a lot of Items, and do some simple operations such as change the collection code and shelving location and notforloan-status
07:33 Oak tch tch. ruined it. i meant like a lighter or match to light a cigarette.
07:34 cait kivilahtio: you can create a new account for that and use the restricted item edit permission
07:34 kivilahtio without giving staff the cataloguing-Zedit_items-permission
07:34 kivilahtio cait: in which version is that?
07:34 cait i think 3.18
07:34 kivilahtio cait: any idea how to find it from bugzilla?
07:34 cait it's a permission + syspref with the fields you are allowed to edit
07:35 kivilahtio but it still lodas the horrendously slow catloguin/edit-interface?
07:35 cait well... yes
07:35 kivilahtio ok :)
07:35 kivilahtio I'll cook another interface then.
07:35 kivilahtio cait: thanks for the tip!
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07:36 cait bug 7673 i think
07:36 kivilahtio the problem is not the interface but the horrible load times on it, it is just silly
07:36 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7673 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , New patron permissions to manage items (edit, batchmod, delete all)
07:36 cait makes sense, you could do a plugin
07:36 kivilahtio hmm
07:36 kivilahtio cait: plugin you say?
07:37 kivilahtio I am not familiar with the plugin system
07:37 cait just thinking that could be a use case for one
07:37 cait and will make it easier for ou to maintain
07:37 cait maybe
07:37 kivilahtio cait: thanks, ill try reading the documentation
07:37 cait i think there is a new page on the wiki
07:37 cait
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07:54 drojf morning #koha
07:59 magnuse Oak: sorry about that. yes, i do have some matches on top of the spice cupboard on the ground floor
08:05 magnuse the wiki should have a "how to write a koha plugin" page...
08:07 drojf magnuse: you got the job :)
08:08 magnuse drojf: thanks
08:08 magnuse ;-)
08:08 magnuse then i just need to figure out how to write them
08:08 magnuse well, i should do that anyway, but no time this side of summer, probably
08:08 cait i think there was some documentation somewhere... maybe in the bug report - or it's 'in the kitchen sink' plugin
08:14 magnuse yeah, i have a hunch there was something somewhere, but i can't really recall
08:14 magnuse i think the kitchen sink plugin was meant to demonstrate everything a plugin could do
08:15 cait @later tell khall - we are looking for documentation on how to write plugins - can yu help us out? :)
08:15 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
08:16 Oak :)
08:21 magnuse ooh, lists a cover flow plugin!
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08:24 magnuse[…]coverflow-plugin/ - how did i miss that?
08:25 mveron Hi #koha
08:28 magnuse hiya mveron
08:29 mveron hiya magnuse
08:29 mveron ...and everybody :-)
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09:03 magnuse tjänare Viktor
09:09 Viktor Hej Magnuse!
09:09 Viktor Möte just nu med xarragon :)
09:12 * cait waves
09:12 magnuse :-)
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09:37 mveron Hi cait :-)  Bug 14128
09:37 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14128 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Capitalization: Guided Reports - step 2 - Build A Report
09:39 magnuse mveron++
10:03 cait i saw :)
10:03 cait you beat me to it ;)
10:07 mveron You can QA it then... :-)
10:09 cait true .)
10:15 * mveron would like to see Bug 13813 moving on, it's signed-off. It is a first step to finally resolve  Bug 12072
10:15 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13813 normal, P3, ---, veron, Signed Off , Remove deprecated module C4::Dates from system
10:15 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12072 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , New dateformat
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10:52 cait mveron: i am only lookign at bugs for now - i think that bigger change is not for 3.20
10:52 cait better to have it early in 3.22 maybe
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11:45 * mveron is back from lunch...
11:46 mveron cait: That's OK, I just wanted to be sur that it moves on...
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12:30 tcohen morning!
12:31 tcohen hi cait
12:32 cait hi tcohen :)
12:32 cait mveron: i am interested in seeing it moving too :)
12:33 mveron European woes...
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12:42 tcohen @seen ashimema
12:42 huginn` tcohen: ashimema was last seen in #koha 3 days, 6 hours, 45 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <ashimema> HBC?
12:42 tcohen @seen akafred
12:42 huginn` tcohen: akafred was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 30 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <akafred> #vote yes
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12:57 huginn` barton: dcook was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 52 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <dcook> 81%... no wonder my house is still wet from the storm..
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14:52 drojf i just did a fresh installation of koha-common and some of the sample data is missing. no news, no libraries, no patrons, no holidays…
14:52 cait drojf: weird
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14:52 cait the german or the english ones?
14:52 drojf english
14:52 cait missing from the installer list of options?
14:53 drojf yes
14:53 drojf and missing afterwards in the instance too, of course
14:53 cait hm weird
14:53 cait the files are there?
14:54 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14011: Make the jQuery selector explicit <[…]ed50257e4b9644e57> / Bug 14011: Triggering slip print with enter key collides with 'barcode submitted' <[…]9751a043666897a95> / Bug 13810: DBRev <[…]eb/?p=koha.git;a=
14:56 drojf cait: you mean the sql files? i think they are there. like /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer​/data/mysql/en/optional/sample_libraries.sql
14:57 cait and the .txt file too?
14:57 drojf yes
14:57 cait ugh no idea then :(
15:00 tcohen hi drojf
15:02 drojf hi tcohen
15:06 drojf after removing the instance, when i try to create another one, i get "Koha requires mpm_itk to be enabled within Apache in order to run. Typically this can be enabled with: sudo a2enmod mpm_itk". nothing like that when i first created an instance
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15:08 * Oak waes
15:08 Oak right
15:12 drojf apparently koha-remove did not remove the symlink in apache2/sites-enabled
15:19 drojf ok what i think has happened is: i logged into the staff client for web installation, accidentally rejected the cookie and after choosing the installation language, had to log in again. i accepted the cookie but somehow this screwed up the web installer.
15:19 drojf it is all there now
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15:48 Mex Hello
15:48 wahanui hi, Mex
15:48 Mex hello wahanui
15:49 Mex excuse me, I have a problem with my Koha system
15:49 wahanui Mex: We need a licensed electrician to replace the light bulbs in the computer room.
15:50 Mex : O
15:50 cait Mex: wahanui is a bot - don't let him scare you away
15:50 cait he reacts to certain keywords
15:50 cait wahanui botsnack cookie
15:50 wahanui thanks cait :)
15:51 Mex ok
15:51 cait i have to go - but someone else might be able to help you
15:51 Mex someone can help me with a problem indexing my Koha
15:51 cait just ask your question, if someone has an idea they usually speak up
15:52 Mex indexing problem
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15:54 reiveune bye
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15:59 Mex Hello
16:03 Oak hello Mex.  what version Koha and and on What flavor of Linux have you installed?
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16:07 Mex ok
16:07 Mex centos 6.6  system koha version 3.16
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16:23 gaetan_B bye!
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17:28 magnuse hei eskaaren
17:28 eskaaren hei magnuse
17:29 magnuse it's nice how many people there are here from the nordic countries now :-)
17:31 magnuse hm, did someone suggest a feature that would make it possible to always see who was the last person to borrow a book?
17:31 cait yes
17:31 cait magnuse: there isa  bug for that from kyle
17:32 cait bug 9011
17:32 wahanui i guess bug 9011 is quite large too
17:32 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add the ability to store the last patron to return an item
17:32 * cait pretends it's friday and is making pizza today
17:34 magnuse thanks cait, i found it too :-)
17:35 magnuse woohoo for pizza!
17:35 cait :)
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18:01 eskaaren about the perl modules listed under "about koha -> perl modules"
18:01 eskaaren Graphics::Magick seems like it is missing on cpan?
18:02 eskaaren Im installing on SLackware and have it working, but that module is not installed..
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18:16 mtompset mveron: *ping*
18:16 mveron pong
18:16 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:17 mtompset So, shall you or I take 14138?
18:17 mveron i mtompset :-)
18:17 mtompset Do you have something ready? :)
18:19 mveron I'm doing some research on it. I think the best way is to have some pre-tests on and generate a error mesage instead of a pdf file.
18:20 mveron While looking at the code I saw that there are problems with e.g., it returns not undef when the Id is not found.
18:20 mtompset Sorry for finding ugliness. :)
18:21 mveron So before doing 14138 I'd like to fix this first, otherwise the pre-tests are not easy to do
18:22 mveron I propose that I do some more research and then comment on the Bug 14138
18:22 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14138 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patroncard: Prevent errors if gets wrong parameters
18:26 mveron Hmm, there is a problem with as well, I deleted all profiles from the datebase and now get crashes when I invoke Manage profiles.
18:27 mtompset At least you're thorough in your testing. :)
18:27 mtompset mveron++ # for your thoroughness. :)
18:27 mveron :-)
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19:01 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10388: Does not display 'null' after editing an item on receiving <[…]7b7c93f02fbcfe2f7> / Bug 12412: Add ability for plugins to convert arbitrary files to MARC from record... <[…]4461ba66a1ca74f3e> / Bug 13421: DBRev <http://git.koha-communi
19:06 tcohen bye #koha
19:07 cait bye tcohen :)
19:42 * chris_n notes we've added a new dep PDF::FromHTML
19:43 cait yes we did
19:43 cait it will be packaged - but isn't yet
19:43 chris_n the web upgrade needs to run the dep checker
19:43 chris_n its probably ok if one is running packages
19:43 cait hm yeah
19:43 chris_n but not if one is running git
19:44 cait could be a nice enh
19:44 chris_n I can't see what added it
19:44 cait also for the remaining tarball users
19:44 chris_n do you know offhand?
19:44 cait discharge
19:44 chris_n there is a mess of different pdf modules
19:55 misilot does anyone use any Z39.50 sources for finding things like calculators, google cardboard, laptops, laptop chargers, HDMI cables, etc? (And will to share? )
19:55 cait we have libraries circulating things like that - but they create the records themselves
19:55 cait I can't really imagine a remote one for those things really
19:56 misilot cait: thanks :) figured it was a longshot, but the worst I can be told usually is no :)
19:56 cait :)
20:04 cait eythian: ping me when you are around please?
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21:04 rangi morning
21:04 cait morning rangi
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21:22 wizzyrea I'm curious why we need all the different pdf modules
21:32 mveron Ha, Bug 14143 took me hours...  For one Line...
21:32 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14143 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron cards: Crash (confusion between table names creator_templates and club_template_enrollment_fields
21:33 cait wow
21:33 cait wonder when that crept in
21:34 wizzyrea mveron: you know what they say, the last thing you try is always the thing that fixes it.
21:34 cait mveron: hm i wonder
21:34 cait is itpossible you only got this table becuase of testing kyle'sfeature?
21:34 cait i think it's not in koha yet
21:35 cait the book club feature
21:35 mveron cait: That's possible...
21:36 mveron It was / is waiting until new tables with _template in their names show up.
21:37 cait yeah
21:39 mveron wizzyrea: ...and then they ask you what you did the whole day...
21:39 wizzyrea I think there is one single thing that annoys me most about bug fixing work - and that is that there is an expectation that you actually know what you're looking for at all times.
21:40 wizzyrea otherwise, I really like tracking down problems
21:40 wizzyrea (and the resultant expectation that you can find and fix any bug quickly)
21:40 mveron Yeah, it is kind of sudoku...
21:53 * mveron says good night / daytime to everybody...
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22:02 eythian hi
22:02 wahanui hola, eythian
22:04 eythian today's fact: monorails were originally horse-drawn.
22:07 * wizzyrea grumbles that the list view doesn't count the 008 in the copyright date sort. 260 only.
22:08 cait ew
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22:42 eythian mtj_: are you going to pull the jessie support patches into 3.16?
23:06 dcook wizzyrea: But the 008 isn't a copyright date O_o
23:07 dcook Actually, maybe in one case it might be
23:07 wizzyrea the sorts for publication/copyright/date
23:07 wizzyrea are all. kinds. of. messed. up.
23:07 wizzyrea because marc is dumb.
23:07 dcook Well, it was also implemented pretty strangely in Koha :S
23:07 dcook But I agree that MARC is dumb
23:08 wizzyrea and because every field but the 008 is freetext.
23:08 dcook Nah, there's also the 000, 006, 007
23:08 dcook :p
23:08 rangi for dates?
23:08 rangi not really
23:08 eythian wahanui: be hal
23:08 wahanui eythian: huh?
23:08 dcook Ah, I meant fixed length
23:08 eythian wahanui: be hal is <reply>The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error.
23:08 wahanui OK, eythian.
23:08 dcook But yeah the dates are weird
23:08 eythian wahanui: be hal
23:08 wahanui The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error.
23:08 rangi you can only reliably sort on 008 for date
23:09 dcook I think MARC21 defaults to putting the publication date in the copyrightdate
23:09 wizzyrea ^^^^^^^^^^
23:09 rangi because like wizzyrea said the rest are full of shit
23:09 dcook Yeah, because 260 is as transcribed
23:09 rangi like c 1990
23:09 rangi 198?
23:09 rangi 1985-
23:09 rangi and other crap
23:09 dcook Actually, the 008 can have crap too
23:09 dcook That could be 198u
23:09 dcook :(
23:09 dcook
23:09 dcook Or 1u80
23:09 * dcook shudders
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23:10 wizzyrea anyway, it's bad, annoying, very not good.
23:10 rangi yep
23:10 * dcook concurs
23:10 rangi and with all the RDA work
23:10 wizzyrea *sobs*
23:10 rangi they just made it worse
23:11 * dcook double concurs
23:11 rangi bibframe will probably end up using emoji for dates
23:11 dcook hehe
23:11 dcook Wait, I'm not sure whether I should laugh or cry...
23:12 wizzyrea[…]ingDrWho.gif.html
23:13 wizzyrea ^ MRW people tell me about date sorting
23:13 dcook hehe
23:13 dcook That's my reaction in regards to all things search
23:14 dcook Especially use of double quotations marks in search queries
23:14 * dcook is going to go have a quick little win to distract himself from the big things
23:14 * wizzyrea needs one of those.
23:15 dcook Local bug tracker?
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23:47 dcook Hmm...
23:48 dcook I don't suppose anyone knows if turning off "noItemTypeImages" breaks the edit item types html page?
23:48 dcook Looking at 3.14.5 and it's a bit of a hot mess
23:48 dcook Will have to try to remember to look at master after I fix the bug at hand..
23:49 wizzyrea I do not know.
23:49 dcook In that case, I'll look later :)
23:49 dcook I'm sure it must be rare for folks to turn off item type images..
23:50 wizzyrea maybe?
23:50 wahanui well, maybe is a momentaneous error

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