IRC log for #koha, 2015-01-07

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00:01 dcook eythian:
00:01 cait hm also 6760
00:01 cait bug 6760
00:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, priyanka.nk, ASSIGNED , Generate new card number on renewals and duplicate card issuance
00:03 cait never mind, i just added a note
00:05 * cait stops now
00:10 cait we still got 2159 open bugs... and enhancements in bugzilla
00:11 cait the bugs are down by 17 from last march... and the total up by a bit over 100... so more enhancements less bugs? :)
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00:21 aline Hi
00:21 aline and happy new year
00:22 cait happy new year
00:22 cait good night #koha
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00:39 aline I have a question about how install a local instance of koha
00:40 aline I use linux mint
00:41 aline someone can help?
00:42 aline anyone? well, i wonder if it's a mistake if I put in the conf file the local ip address
00:42 aline
00:44 aline I don't know i f have to replace the apache conf file
00:44 eythian aline: how are you installing koha?
00:46 aline i ve installed koha from debian packages
00:47 aline i don't if i use the right terminology
00:48 eythian yep. So what are you trying to do?
00:49 aline I follow the step 3.0 :[…]Web_Install_Setup
00:50 aline but we don't have our own domain name right know and don't have a server
00:50 aline that can be always connected
00:50 aline so, we decide to have first a local instance
00:50 aline using apache but locally
00:51 eythian ah OK
00:51 aline so I have ton configure the conf file to address locally the instance of our not web opac but local opac
00:52 eythian in that case, you probably want them each on a different port.
00:52 aline that is to say....
00:53 aline what each?
00:53 aline I don't if we are going to have a web opac right know because we are kind of poor
00:54 eythian well, it's common to put the OPAC on port 80, and the staff client on port 8080, for example.
00:54 aline can I configure with localhost 127 0 0 1 as domain name?
00:54 eythian that way you can access them without needing DNS set up.
00:55 eythian I probably wouldn't do that.
00:55 aline ok
00:55 eythian if you set them up to just work on different ports, then you can just use the IP to access them directly.
00:57 aline when you say them to what exactly do you refer (I'm not sure)
00:57 aline ?
00:58 eythian to access the OPAC and the staff client
00:59 aline actually we just have one computer.
01:00 eythian yes, that's fine. They both run from the same server.
01:02 aline I'm sorry I don't understand
01:03 eythian Koha has two interfaces: OPAC and staff client. Both of these are websites running from the same computer. If you don't have DNS, then usually you run the OPAC from port 80 and the staff client from port 8080 so that you can still access them by IP address.
01:04 aline ok
01:05 aline so I ignore all the lines about DNS
01:05 aline and follow these instructions :[…]A:_Named-based_vs._IP-based_installations
01:05 aline ?
01:05 eythian yes
01:07 aline ok
01:08 aline thank you. I'm going to modify and add the information into the conf file. it can be seemed trivial but...
01:08 eythian you may also have to do some extra configuration to apache to make it work, but it won't be too complicated.
01:11 aline ok
01:13 aline I ve modified koha conf, just changed one of the ports by 8080
01:14 aline intraport 8080
01:17 aline I had problem messages when I have just installed mysql-server
01:17 aline Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :  libapache2-mpm-itk  apache2-mpm-itk  koha-common  koha  koha-deps
01:17 aline why ?
01:17 eythian that's a known bug, easy to fix
01:17 aline ok
01:17 eythian I'll find the link
01:18 aline do I have to do that first?
01:18 eythian[…]untu_happens_here
01:18 eythian also, you shouldn't install the koha package
01:18 eythian just koha-common
01:19 eythian the koha package shouldn't even be in the repository
01:20 aline oooh
01:21 aline I deleted it ok
01:21 aline thank you
01:22 eythian you also don't need koha-deps, but it won't cause you any problems.
01:22 aline ok but apach2 fails to restart
01:22 aline don't know why
01:23 eythian what does it say?
01:23 aline fail
01:23 eythian no error messages?
01:24 aline no
01:24 aline dira@dira-desktop ~ $ service apache2 restart  * Restarting web server apache2                            [fail]
01:24 aline dira@dira-desktop ~ $ sudo a2dismod mpm_event Module mpm_event already disabled
01:25 eythian have a look in the error logs in /var/log/apache2
01:25 aline is it the response I shoud receive?
01:25 eythian also, did you do the 'apt-get install -f' bit?
01:26 aline no not yet
01:26 aline should I?
01:26 eythian do that now, see if it helps
01:27 aline ok
01:28 aline no error messages
01:28 aline sudo apt-get install -f Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait Construction de l'arbre des dépendances        Lecture des informations d'état... Fait 0 mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 0 non mis à jour.
01:29 eythian hmm OK, then have a look in the log files, there should be a clue in there.
01:31 aline ok
01:34 aline [Mon Jan 05 21:59:52.837053 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 24917:tid 3074280064] AH00489: Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming normal operations [Mon Jan 05 21:59:52.837177 2015] [core:notice] [pid 24917:tid 3074280064] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' [Mon Jan 05 22:09:56.121046 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 24917:tid 3074280064] AH00491: caught SIGTERM, shutting down [Tue Jan 06 18:32:04.296640 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid
01:35 eythian There might be other logs around there that contain something useful.
01:35 eythian wait
01:35 eythian what command are you using to restart it?
01:36 aline the one explains
01:36 eythian There was ten minutes between startup and shutdown there, that indicates that it worked fine, unless you're missing some log messages.
01:36 aline service apache2 restarts
01:36 eythian use for pasting things, IRC isn't good for long messages.
01:36 aline ok
01:38 pastebot "aline" at pasted "logs apache" (4 lines) at
01:39 eythian that's just access logs, you're looking for someting that says why apache isn't restarting.
01:41 aline the other file is empty
01:41 aline the other log file is empty
01:42 eythian but you pasted part of it just aboce
01:42 eythian above
01:42 aline I pasted what appear in the terminal
01:43 eythian <aline> [Mon Jan 05 21:59:52.837053 2015] [mpm_event:notice] ...
01:43 eythian that looks like part of a log file
01:43 pastebot "aline" at pasted "lines from terminal" (2 lines) at
01:46 pastebot "aline" at pasted "apache 2 restart apparently ok" (2 lines) at
01:48 aline I ve put sudo su before and executed the command service apache2 restart again
01:48 eythian if it's saying fail, it's probably not OK.
01:48 eythian I wouldn't expect that to make any difference.
01:48 eythian it'll be logging the error in the error log file, I would expect.
01:49 pastebot "aline" at pasted "apache 2 restart apparently ok" (4 lines) at
01:49 eythian ah
01:49 eythian yeah, that looks promising
01:49 aline yes sorry
01:49 aline for my mistake
01:50 aline do I have go over the past instructions again?
01:50 aline have to go
01:50 aline or could I go for creating a koha instance?
01:51 eythian You can probably just create an instance now
01:51 aline yes! :)
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01:52 aline ooooh :(
01:52 aline failed to load external entity "/etc/koha/sites/bibliothequedira/koha-conf.xml"
01:53 eythian that is an unexpected error
01:53 eythian though, your instance name is too long also
01:53 eythian I don't know if that's what is causing that though
01:54 aline ok
01:54 eythian we really really need to put length checks in for that
01:55 aline doesn't work with a shorter name
01:55 aline same answer
01:55 eythian at what point is it saying that?
01:56 eythian and are there any other messages?
01:56 aline as a response to the command line
01:56 aline sudo koha-create ''dira''
01:56 eythian oh
01:56 eythian sudo koha-create --create-db dira
01:57 aline ah i thought it was a comment
01:57 aline I got confused with marks sometimes in the different codes
01:57 eythian I don't even know what it does if you don't put anything there.
01:58 eythian apparently nothing sensible, anyway...
01:58 aline anyways
01:58 aline it failed to do it :)
01:59 aline do i have to put dira between quotemarks?
01:59 eythian no
01:59 eythian oh
02:00 eythian someone's changed that on the page and the quotes are showing up when they shouldn't be
02:01 aline weel doesn't work either
02:01 aline well
02:01 eythian same error?
02:01 pastebot "aline" at pasted "apache 2 restart apparently ok" (4 lines) at
02:01 pastebot "aline" at pasted "apache 2 restart apparently ok" (3 lines) at
02:02 eythian what does that translate to?
02:03 aline ah it says that it is impossible to create the directory into /var1log/koha/dira : no such file or folder
02:03 aline not into
02:03 eythian hmm. maybe /var/log/koha doesn't exist. That would explain it, but I don't know why it wouldn't exist.
02:04 aline the directory dira into /var/log/koha
02:04 aline ahaha
02:04 aline good question.
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02:04 aline you're right
02:05 aline no koha directory
02:05 aline in var/log
02:05 aline should I create one?
02:05 eythian yeah
02:11 pastebot "aline" at pasted "apres la creation dira2 response" (6 lines) at
02:12 eythian that looks good
02:12 aline isnt'it
02:14 aline well, so next step
02:14 aline If I want access to the opac
02:15 aline the web interface
02:15 wahanui the web interface is working right this moment?
02:15 eythian then you should be able to access it via IP address
02:15 eythian see what happens.
02:16 aline no
02:17 aline is the ip adress
02:18 eythian yes
02:18 eythian assuming you're doing it on a local computer
02:19 aline yes ad it links to apache
02:19 eythian disable your default site
02:20 eythian sudo a2dissite 000-default
02:20 eythian most likely
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02:25 aline apparently it works but ti is offline
02:26 aline it
02:26 eythian yeah, you need to go to the staff client and set it up
02:27 aline ok
02:30 aline i m looking for the documentations
02:31 aline where are the instruction to set up the staff client
02:31 aline ?
02:31 eythian can you access the staff client?
02:31 aline how ?
02:31 eythian
02:32 eythian it's probable you need to add 'Listen 8080' to /etc/apache2/ports.conf and restart apache.
02:33 aline Do I have to follow the instructions from there :[…]QL_Security_Tweak
02:35 eythian I don't know, I usually manually configure mysql.
02:35 eythian it's probably a good idea
02:35 aline yeah! ''welcome to the koha web installer''
02:36 eythian there you go :)
02:39 aline I'm in the ckoha conf xml file
02:40 aline koha-conf-site. xml
02:40 aline to be precise
02:40 aline and
02:40 eythian you want to look in /etc/koha/sites/whateveritis/koha-conf.xml
02:40 aline ah
02:41 eythian[…]the_web_interface
02:41 eythian or use the commands there.
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02:47 aline thx
02:50 aline roh misere de misere I shouldn't have change the pasword
02:50 aline because it says : Software error:  Access denied for user 'koha_dira2'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 785.  For help, please send mail to the webmaster ([no address given]), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
02:51 eythian just change the password in koha-conf.xml so it matches
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02:55 dcook Hmmm... anyone remember what "OpacMainUserBlockMobile" was for?
02:55 dcook Ah CCSR I think
02:57 eythian I think so, yeah
02:57 dcook Found Owen's bugs where he removes them :)
02:57 dcook In 3.18 it seems
03:05 aline eythian: it doesn't work
03:06 eythian in what way doesn't it work?
03:06 aline I'm trying with the two commands again
03:06 aline It may works
03:07 aline it may work.
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03:21 aline it doesn't
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03:22 aline I've changed the âssword for the user in the file koha-conf.xml /etc/koha/sites/dira2
03:23 eythian oh
03:23 aline but when I tried to log in with those it doesn't work
03:24 eythian so, that password is there because it needs to be the same as the password to access the database.
03:24 eythian So when you change it, it's no longer going to work for the database.
03:24 aline crap
03:25 aline I knew I shoudn't do it
03:25 aline wel
03:25 aline where is the file conf for the database
03:25 aline is it in mysql?
03:26 eythian yeah
03:26 eythian I don't know where mysql stores it
03:26 aline ok
03:27 eythian you can tell mysql to change the password
03:27 aline oh yeah?
03:27 aline how
03:27 eythian though, it can be tricky, and I'm never sure that I get it right
03:27 aline oh
03:27 dcook O_o
03:27 eythian You're best to look that up, it's not something I do often at all.
03:27 aline but may be, at this point
03:28 dcook aline, what are you trying to do?
03:29 eythian dcook: he's change the password in koha-conf from the one that the packages generated, and now it can't talk to the database.
03:29 dcook Ahh
03:29 eythian because the password is wrong
03:29 dcook hate when that happens
03:29 dcook Yeah, I'd log in to MySQL as root
03:30 dcook Then... "select Host,User from mysql.user where User = 'kohauser'"
03:30 aline nothing
03:30 dcook I don't know what host(s) the packages use when creating a user
03:30 dcook Localhost and '%' I think...
03:30 aline I understood you answered to dcook
03:30 dcook aline: nothing?
03:30 wahanui nothing is, like, a requirement, we have guidelines though
03:31 dcook SET PASSWORD FOR 'kohauser'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('cleartext password');
03:31 dcook SET PASSWORD FOR 'kohauser'@'%' = PASSWORD('cleartext password');
03:31 dcook done :)
03:31 aline yes
03:31 aline excuse me dcook
03:31 wahanui aline: According to Microsoft, it's by design
03:32 aline I'm actually lost into the conversation
03:32 aline sorrym so dcook it seems you have a solution
03:33 dcook Sorry, I shouldn't have confused the conversation :)
03:33 aline wahanui: I don't follow
03:33 wahanui aline: sorry...
03:33 dcook wahanui is just a bot ;)
03:33 aline ach
03:34 aline ok
03:35 aline so I have change the password for the accomodation of the enduser here in the koha-conf.xml file of my koha instance
03:35 aline but as eythian said,this password doesn't work anymore
03:35 eythian you have to have the mysql password and the password in koha-conf.xml be the same thing.
03:36 dcook ^
03:36 aline with the one used to access the database
03:36 aline yes I understand
03:36 eythian you need to change one of them to match the other
03:36 rangi and then never change it again, because it is only used long enough for you to set up koha, and make a real user in koha
03:36 rangi you should not use it to access koha once you have done that
03:38 dcook ^
03:38 aline yes I did a mistake.
03:38 dcook And aline doesn't know the MySQL root password
03:39 rangi ahh
03:39 dcook I'm thinking maybe peak in /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf
03:39 dcook and use the debian-sys-maint sneakily
03:40 aline I think i'm gonna give up for today
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03:48 dcook Now that I think about it... the easiest thing to do would probably be to use koha-create to make a new instance...
03:48 dcook and koha-remove to drop the instance with the incorrect password...
03:48 aline oui?
03:49 aline ok
03:49 eythian probably yes
03:50 aline ok
03:51 aline do I start by removing the actual instance or should I create the next one and then remove the previous one?
03:52 dcook Do you have anything in the current instance?
03:52 aline no
03:52 aline nothing
03:52 dcook Then it doesn't matter :)
03:52 aline ok
03:58 dcook Have you tried that?
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04:20 dcook Interesting... in 3.14.5, the self-registration makes you have email as a mandatory field
04:20 dcook Even if you use emailpro instead
04:21 dcook I guess that's the whole "primary email" thing slowly coming about..
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05:37 dcook Huh... never noticed C4::Context::boolean_preference before...
06:19 dcook rangi: are you still around?
06:24 * mtompset waves good day.
06:24 mtompset Have a great day, #koha dcook. :)
06:24 mtompset eythian. :)
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07:04 mrenvoize Morning koha
07:05 mrenvoize Wow, I've not signed in as this used for a while... Biggin just have me a 34 week old message
07:05 _ashimema That's better
07:12 _ashimema Too early or too late for people this fine morning.. This very quiet
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07:45 reiveune hello
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07:49 ashimema_ is it just me or have google snuck in https support for their covers service of late?
07:54 cait morning brb
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08:10 Boom_IT hi
08:11 Boom_IT need assistant
08:14 ashimema_ Hope i've not gone over the top with the academy keywords rangi..
08:15 ashimema_ been trying to find relatively straightforward looking bugs for you whilst doing a bit of a bugzilla audit the past few days.  Hpe i've not misjudged too many ;)
08:15 ashimema_ What's up Boom_IT
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08:16 BOOM_IT_ hi
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08:29 ashimema_ cait you back yet?
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08:30 gaetan_B hello
08:30 ashimema_ ooh.. she's actually completely logged off.. silly me.
08:30 ashimema_ Morning gaetan_B
08:30 ashimema_ morning fridolin
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08:59 cait hi #kha
08:59 cait hi #koha
09:04 ashimema hi cait
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09:24 cait hi akafred
09:24 cait sorry, bit slow this morning
10:53 cait splitter++ Joubu++ - used it yesterday to find another bug that touched the same file
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11:16 kivilahtio Has there been any discussion about a centralized unit testing mock object library?
11:17 kivilahtio The problem with testing all these modules, is creating varied testing data
11:17 kivilahtio and taking into account all the myriad cases, like handling a checkout using a SIP server for a borrower with and undefinite debarrment
11:17 kivilahtio we can test for checkout or checkin for a normal case sure, but going through all the different permutations is really painfull.
11:18 kivilahtio and the separate "mock" objects for various features are all scattered around in their respective test scripts
11:19 kivilahtio if we had all the borrowers with all various states under one "library". It would be much easier to make more exhaustive unit tests
11:21 kivilahtio Joubu: cait: jcamins: rambutan: wahanui: Do you remember anyone having this discussion?
11:22 kivilahtio I would like to work on this interesting challenge, but unfortunately we are just adding our first big library group to our Koha installation and that might be quite time-consuming :)
11:24 Joubu kivilahtio: have a look at bug 10337 and bug 12603
11:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , UT: The unit tests cannot be launched by everyone
11:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12603 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Passed QA , TestBuilder - Module to simplify the writing of tests
11:25 kivilahtio Thanks a lot!
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12:16 jcamins kivilahtio: what Joubu said. Also, I tried salted licorice on Monday.
12:17 * jcamins is not one of the people who loves it. :)
12:20 kivilahtio jcamins: salted licorice :)
12:20 kivilahtio jcamins: congratulations! Did you throw up?
12:28 jcamins lol
12:28 jcamins No.
12:28 jcamins It wasn't *quite* that bad.
12:29 jcamins I even finished the piece I tried!
12:29 jcamins Granted, it was only two bites.
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12:41 kivilahtio jcamins: In Finland we swim in salted liquorice, so bad that it will melt mountains!
12:45 oleonard cait++ # for bug-wrangling
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12:47 marcelr hi #koha
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13:03 cait Joubu: around?
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13:19 cait oleonard++ too :)
13:19 cait hope i didn't just spam everyone's inboxes
13:20 * oleonard never considers bug-wrangling to be spam
13:23 marcelr thx Joubu #13068
13:24 marcelr Joubu++
13:27 Joubu marcelr: thanks to you, I am waiting this behavior for 3 years now :) (RIP 7167)
13:27 marcelr some things take some time ;)
13:28 * cait waves
13:28 marcelr and others take even more time :)
13:28 marcelr hi cait
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14:35 tcohen morning
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14:52 oleonard Hi tcohen
14:52 cait hi tcohen
14:52 tcohen hi oleonard cait
14:55 cait marcelr++
14:55 marcelr hi tcohen
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15:36 cait marcelr: just a quick question - how do you determine which is the oldest bug? last changed or soemthing more specific?
15:37 cait I have beenwondering if there is a better way
15:37 marcelr last changed works often but sometimes you know that there are older ones; a better way would need peeking in to the bugzilla db
15:38 marcelr and even then we should exclude rebase only stuff
15:39 marcelr so very hard to do
15:41 Joubu cait, marcelr: on the dashboard, the "10 oldest" are based on the status, not the last change
15:42 Joubu so the 10 oldest are the 10 oldest with the signed off unchanged status
15:42 marcelr that is helpful but may be incomplete too
15:43 marcelr depends on what is added after it reached SO
15:43 Joubu but more complete :)
15:43 marcelr probably true
15:43 marcelr even most probably :)
15:46 cait probably using a combination of both will be good
15:46 cait trying to pick the oldest at least :)
15:47 cait right now the queue is in 'ok' shape - so it's easier, will get harder again at some point ok
15:47 cait some point i guess...
15:57 ashimema oooh. awesome.. Joubu++
15:57 ashimema marcelr++
15:57 cait hm question.... is accountoffsets used?
15:57 cait talking about the table
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15:59 cait hm no docs in kohastructure.sql
16:12 cait seeems to be related to refunds for lost items
16:15 slef hi
16:17 cait hi slef - happy new year :)
16:18 slef Happy new year to you. Mine isn't being so happy today :/
16:20 slef I've got the notorious "Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)" on one server after an upgrade and the usual tricks (merging in changes to the configuration) doesn't seem to have worked. 090$c in exported_records looks OK to me.  Any tips on curing this or am I doomed to dump and rebuild? :(
16:22 cait so the biblionumber is stored in 090 instead of 999?
16:22 cait did you update the koha-conf.xml?
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16:22 cait is there something showing on the about page / system information tab?
16:25 slef cait: biblionumber is in 090$c by default on marc21 I think.  I've updated koha-conf.xml
16:28 slef cait: hrm, a few ambers and two non-bold red which I think won't be relevant (Test::DBIx::Class and HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench)
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16:32 cait the system information tab
16:33 cait and no, 090$c isn ot standard i am afrid
16:33 cait maybe in real old versions
16:34 slef where is biblionumber these days?  I can move it in system administration can't I?
16:35 slef things show in the server information tab but nothing particularly unusual-looking there
16:35 slef oh and the system information tab
16:35 jcamins slef: biblionumber hasn't been in 090$c since 2008.
16:36 jcamins (for MARC21)
16:36 slef there's a warning that I'm using the administrative superuser
16:36 slef because it was the first login I had
16:36 slef nothing else
16:36 slef why do we have two tabs with rather similar names anyway? ;)
16:36 jcamins You'll need to change all the Zebra configuration and the frameworks.
16:36 slef jcamins: do you know where it is now?
16:37 jcamins 999$c, biblioitemnumber is 999$d. I think.
16:37 slef jcamins: shouldn't upgrading the package have done this?
16:43 jcamins No, that was never automated.
16:44 jcamins And the weird Zebra configurations predate the packages by a sizable margin.
16:46 slef hmmm so what's the best route out?  Update the frameworks and mappings to match the zebra configuration from the new version?
16:48 jcamins That would be my recommendation.
16:48 slef and I wonder why this suddenly broke with 3.18 when it worked until now. I guess I should check what the previous version was, but once their catalogue is back on.
16:48 jcamins And change your records to use 999$c.
16:48 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right
16:52 tcohen slef: in DOM, 999$c has been hardcoded for a while, and used as record id for indexing
16:52 tcohen maybe a grs-1 setup of yours had its own definition
16:52 jcamins tcohen: since always in DOM, and since almost always in GRS-1.
16:55 slef yay, we have search results again
16:56 slef Now it's near 5pm I think I'll email the librarian and go work on the bicycle some more.
16:56 slef Thanks jcamins cait tcohen
16:56 slef @karma cait
16:56 huginn slef: Karma for "cait" has been increased 184 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 184.
16:56 slef jcamins++ cait++ tcohen++
16:56 slef @karma cait
16:56 huginn slef: Karma for "cait" has been increased 185 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 185.
16:56 slef cool I can do multiples
16:57 tcohen she works 36 hours a day, that's unfair
16:57 slef I'll mop up the rest tomorrow
16:59 cait i got called away - but see you figured it out - yay :)
17:01 cait hm ok
17:01 cait tags_approval says:
17:01 cait CONSTRAINT `tags_approval_borrowers_fk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`approved_by`)
17:01 cait 2278         REFERENCES `borrowers` (`borrowernumber`) ON DELETE CASCADE ON UPDATE CASCADE
17:01 cait does that mean... when we delete the staff user who approved the tags - we delete the tags?
17:02 * cait turns the database upside down these days
17:02 cait[…]d96aa9c4d1a#l2268
17:09 cait can someone tell me if i read that wrong?
17:09 cait before i embarass myself with a bug report? :)
17:11 cait nooone?
17:16 sophie_m cait : i think you're right
17:17 cait sophie_m: thx
17:17 cait it just doesn't seem to make sense...
17:19 bag hi there cait
17:19 bag happy new year
17:20 cait happy new year bag
17:21 cait hm more fun... i tested it
17:22 cait it remains in tags_all - but is no longer visible in the tags list
17:22 cait gone from display too
17:29 slef cait: good spot :-(
17:29 cait bug 13534
17:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13534 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Deleting staff member who moderated a tag removes tags imcompletely
17:30 slef cait: deleting staff should transfer their tags and any similar things?
17:30 cait i think stet to null would work there
17:30 cait or should
17:30 cait but not sure if we'd also need to adjust the code
17:38 cait bug 13535
17:38 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13535 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Table alert is missing FK and not deleted with the patron
17:38 cait more fun stuff
17:48 cait time to go before i find more ;)
17:48 cait bye all
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17:58 gaetan_B bye
18:01 kivilahtio good night
18:01 wahanui I watch you sleep.
18:01 kivilahtio I love you wahanui
18:02 liw kivilahtio, hyvää yötä
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20:11 * cait waves
20:14 tcohen hi cait
20:14 cait hi tcohen
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21:25 p_willie Looking into Koha for a small church library.
21:30 p_willie Would prefer not to run my own server, but wonder if Koha can be installed on a subscription Apache host like HostGator or Chase.
21:31 p_willie Do these host services allow command line access for installing Koha?
21:31 cait p_willie: you will need a server with full root access so you can install things
21:32 cait i am not sure what hostGator provides
21:33 p_willie Needn't be HostGator necessarily - just wonder if there are any hosts that would offer root access.  Does anyone know?  Is anyone here already doing it - or are you running your own server?
21:35 cait you can certainly rent a server - but I am not the right person for details there :)
21:36 p_willie Good point.  Thanks.  Will do some more digging.
21:37 wnickc p_willie:  I would try posting this to the Koha list, would be useful to see responses and post them on the wiki somewhere imho
21:37 wnickc some googling suggest it was possible on dreamhost at some point in history:
21:38 p_willie That's helpful.  Thanks, wnickc!
21:45 eythian p_willie: most VPS providers give you root access
21:45 eythian there will probably be some providers in whatever country you're in.
21:46 p_willie Yes.  One quoted me a minimum of $1800/year.  Waiting to hear from another.
21:47 eythian er
21:47 eythian that's a bit much
21:47 p_willie Have not asked LibLime yet.
21:47 rangi Liblime dont do koha
21:47 p_willie You're telling me.
21:47 eythian I have one in the US that costs me...US$10/mo or something like that.
21:47 eythian that kinda ballpark
21:48 rangi that 1800 a year im assuming was for a koha install and maintenance etc
21:48 rangi not just a barebones server so you could install it yourself
21:48 eythian ah yeah, that's quite likely
21:48 rangi have a look at linode
21:48 rangi
21:49 rangi if you are wanting a linux box you have full control over
21:49 p_willie eythian - is that a Koha host - or an Apache host that you are managing the software on?
21:49 rangi but there are hundreds of other companies that will rent you a linux box with root access
21:49 eythian p_willie: it's a plain old Linux server that you can do whatever you like with. It does require having someone know how to maintain Linux though.
21:51 p_willie Do they do any Apache/PHP/MySQL updates - or do you have to do that?
21:51 rangi you have to do that
21:51 rangi its your linux server
21:52 rangi and koha doesnt use php, so you probably dont want that running/installed
21:52 p_willie Hm.  Might be worth playing on, but I'm worried it's out of my depth.
21:54 rangi yep thats what you are paying for when you pay for someone to host/maintain a koha instance for your, their knowledge about koha, and linux and to do security updates etc, hence when its more than just the cost of a box you maintain
21:56 p_willie Right.  Was just hoping for an entrepreneurial sort who might offer "instance hosting" for a small library of < 2000 titles - at an affordable rate.
21:57 eythian there are plenty of support companies out there, have you had a look on the list on the Koha website?
21:57 eythian wahanui: support companies
21:57 wahanui eythian: sorry...
21:57 eythian hmm
21:57 p_willie Yes.
21:57 rangi unfortunatelythe size of the library has no bearing on how much it costs to maintain
21:58 rangi (or very little anyway unless the size is HUGE)
21:58 p_willie Understood.
21:58 eythian wahanui: support companies is <reply>[…]-support/country/
21:58 wahanui OK, eythian.
21:58 eythian wahanui: support companies
21:58 wahanui[…]-support/country/
21:58 eythian there :)
21:59 p_willie Yes.  Have tried the list.  That's where I got one $1800/yr quote.  Awaiting another.  Other North American hosts listed go to expired domains - or one completely in French.
22:00 eythian wizzyrea: the Libéo entry on the support list should probably be checked, it's 404ing
22:01 p_willie Equinox Software lists "Koha on Demand" instance hosting for small libraries, but I haven't received a quote from them yet.
22:01 eythian gmcharlt: y'about?
22:02 p_willie[…]on-demand/#sthash.bGMSKv7s.dpbs
22:04 p_willie Thanks for your input, guys and gals!
22:08 p_willie Looking at Linode plans - what is the minimum SSD storage I should get for running Koha?
22:08 p_willie Cheapest plan is 24 GB, is that enough?
22:08 eythian for a small library, I'd go ~20GB
22:08 eythian yeah
22:08 eythian you'll have plenty of room to move in there.
22:09 p_willie That helps, thanks!
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23:13 M_Sic Hi all - I'm new to Koha and am running into an issue that google-fu doesn't seem to be able to solve. Can I ask a simple question here or should I shoot for the mailing lists? Mahalo!
23:14 eythian wahanui: ask
23:14 wahanui Don't ask to ask, just ask.
23:16 M_Sic haha, okay; thanks. I'm at the web installer but when putting in the username/password from the koha-conf.xml file the page just refreshes. No errors listed in the koha-error log and apache log has a few lines similar to : Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 580.
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23:19 eythian hrm
23:19 eythian so, it just asks for your password again?
23:20 M_Sic Correct - regardless of whether I use the correct username/password or nothing
23:20 eythian are you sure you're using the right un/password from the koha-conf.xml file? There are a few in there. You want the ones inside the 'config' section, towards the bottom.
23:21 * eythian has to go track down lunch
23:21 * tcohen updates PDF::Reuse on his box
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23:27 dcook mmm lunch
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23:29 M_Sic Just wanted to say thanks! I was using a different user from the xml file; thought the one I'm supposed to use was just for the db.
23:30 rangi you should only use that to run the installer/upgrader and then to set up a real user in koha, and then dont use it again (koha will warn you about this)
23:32 M_Sic Yep; will do
23:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13407: Bumping required version of PDF::Reuse <[…]9247c915f2346acf0> / Bug 13407: Removing depricated code included in PDF::Reuse <[…]2271ecbb0f3a80d05> / Bug 11872 - Lost overdue items should not generate fines <
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