IRC log for #koha, 2014-02-12

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01:00 pianohacker google apparently thinks debian is something you can eat; chrome depends on both and .1, but google-talkplugin breaks completely if .0 is installed
01:00 pianohacker google--
01:02 jcamins pianohacker: oh, yeah, it's an uncommon fruit that grows on a small island in the Pacific.
01:02 pianohacker hah!
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01:53 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
01:53 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
01:53 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 25.1°C (10:50 PM ART on February 11, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
01:53 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 25.1°C (10:50 PM ART on February 11, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
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01:56 pianohacker wow, still that warm at 11 PM?
01:57 tcohen yeah
01:57 pianohacker good luck staying cool... night tcohen
02:07 tcohen night #koha, last question, for tomorrow
02:07 tcohen if a cataloguer puts some weird symbols (for instance, HTML entities)
02:08 tcohen should we assume they want exactly that to show on Koha, or they are using that to trick the browser to render data in a specific way?
02:08 jcamins Then the results are undefined.
02:08 tcohen exactly
02:09 jcamins They're probably trying to trick the browser.
02:09 tcohen if we assume they have a book titled " ", we need to make a decision on how to act regarding that data
02:10 jcamins lol
02:10 dcook O_o
02:10 tcohen if we take tricky people into account, then legitimate data will show wrong (double escape)
02:10 dcook Btw, I know durian is a fruit, but debian?
02:10 jcamins dcook: that was a joke.
02:11 tcohen i don't think we have a one-size-fits-all solution
02:11 jcamins tcohen: I don't think there is a solution.
02:11 dcook I should have something witty to say in regards to not understanding jokes sometimes, but all I can think is *chocolate*
02:12 jcamins dcook: yesssssssss, chocoloate.
02:12 jcamins *chocolate
02:12 jcamins I have a chocolate torte in the fridge!
02:12 tcohen night jcamins, #koha
02:12 jcamins Good night.
02:12 wahanui Don't go, jcamins. Stay a while. Stay forever.
02:12 dcook hehe
02:12 dcook night, tcohen
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05:03 mtompset Greetings, cait.
05:04 eythian[…]-reptilian-theory <-- important New Zealand news
05:05 cait morning
05:05 eythian hi cait
05:09 mtompset Greetings, eythian.
05:10 eythian hiya
05:11 mtompset Well, there is likely going to be a big gap before I come back. I hate economic realities. :(
05:11 eythian erk, that sucks
05:12 mtompset As part of ministry, I have to fund raise. My funding dropped below the "you can keep programming" level.
05:12 mtompset So, I'm on the fundraising wagon for the next while.
05:13 eythian ah right
05:14 mtompset And the Koha project I was on is moving from priority project to maintenance -- watch for security updates, version upgrades only -- likely by the time I get enough funds.
05:14 mtompset Just when the signoffs and coding was getting fun. :(
05:15 mtompset Anyone know of projects that allow libraries to operate as independent branches, but have librarians have access to sets of libraries but not be superlibrarians?
05:20 mtompset Well, I should sleep.
05:20 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
05:21 cait tcohen++
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06:52 * magnuse waves
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07:32 reiveune hello
07:32 wahanui hey, reiveune
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07:36 cait good morning #koha
07:36 fridolin hie all
07:36 cait hi fridolin
07:38 fridolin hie cait. Nice weather ? here in Nimes a full blue sky 8-)
07:38 cait not sure yet, but looking a bit like rain here
07:49 magnuse @wunder boo
07:49 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady).
07:53 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:53 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 6.3°C (8:53 AM CET on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
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07:53 ashimema @wunder Stevenage, UK
07:53 huginn` ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 3.6°C (7:50 AM GMT on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Falling).
07:54 alex_a bonjour
07:54 magnuse ashimema: 0.6 degrees warmer than north of the arctic circle :-)
07:56 ashimema yowsers..
07:56 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:56 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.3°C (8:55 AM CET on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
07:56 ashimema good morning all
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08:21 Joubu hi
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09:10 ashimema @wunder Stevenage, UK
09:10 huginn` ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 4.6°C (9:01 AM GMT on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Falling).
09:10 ashimema hmm.. my updated IRC client doesn't like the degree sign.. sure it used to work..
09:10 magnuse @wunder boo
09:10 ashimema oh well
09:10 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 3.0°C (10:00 AM CET on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.41 in 996 hPa (Rising).
09:11 ashimema yikes that's cold magnuse..
09:12 ashimema did realise you were in norway.. always wanted to visit norway
09:13 cait ashimema: you are aware that the 2 of you will meet in person soon? :)
09:13 ashimema s/did/didn't/
09:13 ashimema yup.. bring on hackfest
09:16 cait hackfest!
09:16 wahanui hackfest is[…]ohacon13/Hackfest
09:16 * cait is excited
09:19 magnuse hackfest!
09:19 wahanui hackfest is[…]ohacon13/Hackfest
09:19 magnuse hm, that link might not be that interesting any longer, i guess
09:20 cait forget hackfest
09:20 wahanui cait: I forgot hackfest
09:20 cait hackfest is great fun!
09:20 cait hackfest?
09:20 wahanui it has been said that hackfest is great fun!
09:20 magnuse hackfest is also[…]st-marseille-2014
09:20 wahanui okay, magnuse.
09:20 magnuse hackfest?
09:20 wahanui hackfest is[…]st-marseille-2014
09:20 magnuse hackfest?
09:20 wahanui hackfest is[…]st-marseille-2014
09:20 magnuse hackfest?
09:20 wahanui hackfest is, like,[…]st-marseille-2014
09:20 magnuse hackfest?
09:20 wahanui i guess hackfest is great fun!
09:20 magnuse yay
09:22 ashimema one day i'll learn how wahanue works ;)
09:22 ashimema and how to spell ;)
09:23 cait one day :)
09:33 cait packages?
09:33 wahanui packages is at
09:46 fridolin hackfest is great fun indeed
09:46 fridolin :D
09:46 * dcook looks outside
09:46 dcook When did it get dark? :(
09:47 cait when you forgot to go home? :)
09:50 dcook Working on my Canadian taxes :/
09:50 cait ew
09:50 dcook I think I've finally figured it all out...
09:56 cait Joubu++
09:56 cait bug 11629 - i had missed the things you pointed out :)
09:56 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11629 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add ability to update not for loan status on checkin
10:00 Joubu cait: hi! What do you think about bug 11634? To me it is a bug and the behavior should be changed
10:00 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Allow renewal of item with unfilled holds if other available items can fill those holds
10:00 Joubu cait: it seems khall_away considere it as an enhancement.
10:01 Joubu cait: I think the syspref check should be removed
10:04 cait hm not sure i understand
10:04 cait i think if we change existing behaviour like that, we need to pref
10:04 cait it's a deep change in renewal behaviour for some libraries
10:05 cait but it could be on by default for new installations maybe?
10:05 Joubu cait: yes but if it is a bug, we don't want a pref to choose "do you want a bug or not" :)
10:06 cait @quote get 123
10:06 wahanui
10:06 huginn` cait: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
10:06 cait Joubu: I am not sure every library will agree it's a bug
10:07 dcook night
10:08 cait Joubu: libraries are crazy :) i just tend to be careful :)
10:10 Joubu cait: does it make sense to ask to send an email on koha-devel?
10:11 cait you could, but maybe better [Koha] - more a librarian question
10:11 Joubu cait: ok
10:12 ashimema love that cartoon cait
10:14 ashimema ====================================​====================================​==============================8*--
10:15 cait cat?
10:15 wahanui i heard cat was
10:16 ashimema bhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii​iiiiiiiiiiiiiyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
10:16 ashimema ack.. damn cat again.
10:16 cait it's probably a code
10:16 cait maybe a message for myshkin
10:17 ashimema think he wants more food.. he's being a bloody nuisance this morning
10:17 Joubu khall_away: please, don't hate me.
10:23 * magnuse would be more worried about khall than khall_away ;-)
10:42 Joubu An expression in French is "Don't trust still waters" :)
10:56 cait we have: quiet waters are deep
11:43 fridolin "Don't trust sleeping waters" I'd say
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13:19 oleonard Hi #koha
13:56 druthb o/
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14:03 rhcl @wunder 64507
14:03 huginn` rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -7.6°C (8:03 AM CST on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
14:04 rhcl @wunder boo
14:04 huginn` rhcl: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (2:50 PM CET on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady).
14:04 rhcl Ha! Ten times colder here than balmy Norway.
14:09 oleonard @wunder 45701
14:09 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Windy Ridge, Athens, Ohio is -13.4°C (9:09 AM EST on February 12, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
14:11 oleonard We need a kohadevreactions post for "You just started a 'git-bz attach -e' and someone walks in to talk to you."
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15:07 Oak kia ora #koha
15:12 oleonard Hi Oak
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15:20 Joubu Does somebody know what is the $CGIorganisations variable in circ/ ?
15:21 Joubu it seems related to the memberofinstitution pref
15:21 cait Joubu: sorry, I don't knw
15:21 cait I seem to remember that the original feature is partially broken
15:21 cait so it might be hard to track down how it should work
15:21 Joubu which appears broken since 2011... bug 6712
15:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6712 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, Remove memberofinstitution markup from templates until it can be completed
15:22 cait Joubu: I think it's even older
15:22 Joubu cait: so, shouldn't we remove all the obsolete code?
15:23 cait not sure really, i think someone was not in favour removing
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15:32 Oak hello oleonard :) sorry was with guests.
15:32 Oak hello cait, Joubu, all.
15:38 magnuse Oak
15:38 Oak magnuse
15:39 Oak \o/
15:39 cait hi Oak
15:39 Oak \o\ hello cait
15:39 Oak /o/
15:40 fridolin see you
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15:40 magnuse \o/
15:41 magnuse cait!
15:41 Oak someone else filed the bug report though.
15:41 Oak so cait is at home?
15:42 cait no, kf is still stolen
15:42 Oak oho
15:42 Oak if you registered or linked it to cait you know you can ghost it?
15:43 Oak /nickserv ghost kf and then change your nick
15:43 Oak to kf
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15:46 cait kf was to short to register
15:47 cait not sure how to link
15:47 Oak hmm
15:49 Oak /nickserv enslave
15:50 Oak you can LINK, UNLINK, SET MASTER and ENSLAVE. it might work. not sure.
15:50 cait (16:50:34) NickServ: (notice) Slave nickname kf not registered.  The nickname you want to link to must
15:51 Oak oh yes. got it. won't work.
15:51 Oak just read that part myself as well.
15:52 Oak so i guess we won't see kf much anymore.
15:52 kf ah
15:52 kf nw she is free
15:52 Oak :) cool.
15:52 kf but sometimes in use...
15:53 Oak ok now i will not bother you. can't bother 'kf' you see.
15:53 Oak kidding
15:54 kf :)
15:54 Oak :)
16:01 magnuse huh, didn't eythian report a bug about optimizing the front page, where he referred to some results from nytprofiler?
16:04 Joubu magnuse: bug 11051?
16:04 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11051 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Performance of opac-search
16:07 * oleonard grumbles about there being two different jQuery tree plugins
16:07 jcamins oleonard: where's the other one used?
16:07 oleonard
16:08 magnuse thanks Joubu, that was the one i was thinking of
16:10 Joubu oleonard: bug 11578 upgrades one of them.
16:10 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11578 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Improvement of the funds list view
16:19 oleonard I wonder if there are reasons to choose one over the other...
16:21 oleonard Under what circumstances does the authorities detail page display more than one node in a tree?
16:21 kf oleonard: you can buld hierarchies
16:22 kf i did for testing something like: world - europe - germany - konstanz
16:22 kf i think i have added a screenshot to the bug, but not sure about the bug number
16:22 oleonard Do you know how I would search for it?
16:23 kf trying to
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16:24 oleonard Bug 8523?
16:24 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8523 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC
16:24 kf yep :)
16:24 kf[…]ment.cgi?id=12097
16:26 oleonard I don't know enough about authorities for that to make sense to me :|
16:27 jcamins oleonard: it'll only ever display one tree, but it can go both up and down the hierarchy to generate the tree.
16:33 reiveune bye
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16:41 Oak kf time to go home.
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17:04 francharb Hello #koha
17:09 Oak hello francharb
17:09 magnuse hiya francharb
17:10 francharb o/ Oak magnuse
17:14 magnuse ouch - 203 bugs need signoff
17:14 magnuse plenty to do in marseille...
17:16 oleonard Luckily they'll have plenty of people magnuse
17:16 kf Oak: you are right :)
17:17 * magnuse is going to marseille too :-)
17:18 Oak :)
17:18 kf bye all :)
17:18 * ashimema too
17:18 Oak later kf
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17:26 magnuse @later tell paul_p: i have taken the liberty of starting a new tab called "workshops 2014" in the hackfest spreadsheet - hope you don't mind!
17:26 huginn` magnuse: The operation succeeded.
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18:08 oleonard whee!
18:11 * druthb gets out the duct tape.
18:18 rhcl duct tape, pointy stick and skittles. druthb is just like Kipkay.
18:20 druthb Kipkay, without the righteous beard.
18:28 francharb Any marc21 expert around here?
18:28 francharb Can Koha use authory for series in the 830 field?
18:29 francharb If yes, how should we manage the $v Volume?
18:29 jcamins francharb: you have to manually link the authority, then add the $v.
18:31 francharb jcamins, by manually link, you mean, manage the authid manually in the $9 subfield?
18:32 jcamins I mean, create the authority record, link it using the auth plugin, then add the $v.
18:36 francharb jcamins, if I do this, I can't have BiblioAddsAuthorities  ON or update biblios when I update authorities, or the biblio 830$v will be updated with the authority 130$v, right?
18:36 francharb I feel like I miss something...
18:37 jcamins You have to turn off CatalogingModuleRelink.
18:37 jcamins And turn on LinkerKeepStale.
18:37 jcamins I mostly just consider series authorities in Koha useless and don't bother.
18:39 francharb ahah! you just point out what was actually missing. I do too but sometimes libraries dont share my feeling about series authorities... ;)
18:39 francharb Thanks jcamins !
18:39 francharb jcamins++
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19:31 * magnuse starts the upgrade from 3.12.10 to 3.14.3
19:44 magnuse oops, seems to be quite a number of "unconsistent %s count" in ar-Arab
19:46 cait oh
19:48 pastebot "magnuse" at pasted ""unconsistent %s count" in ar-Arab" (156 lines) at
19:52 cait right, lotsof those
20:03 magnuse upgrade done - packages++
20:04 magnuse have fun, #koha!
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20:46 edveal Barton you might want to check this system pref.  AllowHoldsOnPatronsPossessions
20:46 barton Thanks edveal!
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20:59 bag hey rangi
20:59 bag do you have a bug # for any of that NCIP work?
21:03 cait @seen rangi
21:03 huginn` cait: rangi was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 16 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <rangi> also[…]d08444a4cd6a157a9
21:04 bag heya cait
21:04 cait hi bag
21:04 bag it's what 3 weeks until I get to see you?
21:05 rhcl bag: we had our barcode mis-scan problem reappear briefly yesterday. Seems to have come and gone
21:05 bag oh geeze
21:05 bag is mecury in retrograde?  is that even the right thing that I am thinking of rhcl
21:06 rhcl yea, you got it I think
21:07 cait bag :)
21:07 cait 3-4 i think
21:22 eythian hi
21:22 bag magnuse: you are going to Marseille!
21:22 bag magnuse++
21:22 bag that makes me so excited :)
21:33 * cait is so excited too :)
21:42 eythian[…]product&id_lang=1 <-- trea
21:43 trea ooo
21:43 cait planning next whisky o clock?
21:43 eythian He's been conspicuously absent from the past one or two...
21:43 wizzyrea one!
21:43 trea[…]1qgxdb2o1_500.gif
21:44 wizzyrea hehehe
21:44 trea it is time for a new bottle, afterall
21:45 wizzyrea “Lots of sweet vanilla and honey, spice and oak. Freshly baked apple and cinnamon Danish. Soft and rounded.” sounds appealing
21:46 trea and that's just the moustache.
21:46 cait wizzyrea: definitely better than other descriptions i have seen :)
21:47 wizzyrea oh trea.
21:47 * wizzyrea tries to not be mushy in #koha
21:47 * wizzyrea fails
21:48 wizzyrea he's so funny.
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22:17 JoeLib001 If I didn't know better, I would say they didn't like my question. XD
22:21 wizzyrea wot
22:23 JoeLib001 Hmm..., it looks like bug# 10794 is still a problem. I am running 3.14 and the billing date on the invoice page is not sorted correctly.
22:23 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10794 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sorting on billing date column in invoices table doesn't work
22:25 JoeLib001 My newest February invoice should be sorted to the top, but an older December 2013 invoice is sorted to the top instead.
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22:26 JoeLib001 02/05/2014 vs 12/26/2013
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22:47 dani good afternoon, everyone " papa can you hear me?"
22:47 dani ;)
22:47 dani papa I was wondering if you know of any progress on bug 4222 ?
22:47 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4222 major, P2, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Nonpublic note not appearing in the staff client
22:49 dcook dani: As far as I know, no one is working on that one. It's a surprisingly difficult one, iirc
22:49 dani hi, David
22:49 dcook hey :)
22:50 dani hm.  darn
22:51 dcook Yeah, it's an issue we have on our local tracker as well. I would love to see it resolved, but I can't see it happening any time soon.
22:51 dani well, if there is anything I can do to help things along, let me know
23:00 dcook dani: Alas, I don't know if this one will ever be solved.
23:01 dcook Although now that I think about it...maybe it would be worthwhile if someone opened a new bug and just proposed adding new columns to the items and deleteditems table
23:02 dcook The main blocker, I think, is that the non-public notes have been dealt with differently over the years and between MARC flavours and so on
23:02 dcook So if the columns were in the DB...a sysadmin could make their own decision regarding how to deal with it
23:02 dcook Not ideal but at least somewhat functional...
23:11 dani how hard it is to get thinks added to DB? <--newbie, be gentle
23:12 dcook hehe
23:12 dcook It's a good question
23:12 dcook I'm not really sure anymore.
23:13 dcook The introduction of DBIx::Class has made things more complex, I think. In this case though, I don't think it should be too bad
23:13 dcook I think khall_away is familiar with DBIx::Class too, so he probably would know what to do
23:15 * dani considering opening a new bug
23:16 dcook I don't think it could hurt. Of course, I'm nowhere near as good an authority as say rangi, gmcharlt, or any number of other developers, but personally I find when a bug reaches a certain size, it just stagnates.
23:16 dcook Just reference the old bug and propose a new solution. Feel free to correct me, gmcharlt and others, but I think that's much more manageable..
23:18 dani I may get with khall before I do that, but I am going to consider doing this unless ... someone stops me . . . .
23:20 dcook Sounds reasonable to me
23:21 dani thanks, dcook
23:21 dcook Hope I helped!
23:22 dcook PS you're welcome :)
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23:52 talljoy dcook how are all the mangoes
23:52 talljoy ?
23:54 dcook Delicious :)
23:55 dcook I didn't have one this morning though, talljoy. My alarm didn't go off so in a bit of a rush.
23:55 talljoy i'm so jealous.  i'm  having to settle for mango sorbet from the store today.
23:55 talljoy not quite like a real mango
23:55 dcook Not quite but still tasty
23:55 dcook hehe
23:55 dcook Switcheroo!
23:55 jcamins talljoy: sorbet? It's a bit cold for that.
23:56 talljoy even in TX it is a bit chilly
23:56 jcamins Thoguh back when I was in college, I bought more ice cream when it was cold than when it wasn't...
23:56 jcamins silly meal plans.
23:56 talljoy heh
23:56 dcook Ice cream in the cold is the best!
23:56 talljoy my oldest got braces today, so i thought he'd appreciate something cold and soft for dessert.
23:56 dcook It doesn't melt on you
23:56 dcook Ah, that's sweet, talljoy
23:57 * dcook does not miss the pain from braces
23:57 talljoy poor kid.  just looks uncomfortable.
23:57 dcook Stock up on pain medication me thinks. That's the only way I managed to eat on days when I had them tightened.
23:57 talljoy right.
23:57 * dcook almost never takes pain medication as was that bad
23:57 jcamins The school gave me a use-it-or-lose-it-meal-plan that had way more money on it than I needed, being the weirdo who always ate salad. So I bought lots of ice cream. And lunch for random old people who happened to be eating on-campus.
23:58 dani I used to dream my teeth were falling out when I had my braces tightened.
23:58 talljoy ouch.
23:58 jcamins ("old"... they were my age, I suppose)
23:58 talljoy LOL
23:58 talljoy jcamins indeed.
23:58 dani ha
23:58 talljoy i had to wear this thing called a lip bumper when i had braces.  to push the back teeth back.
23:58 talljoy the ortho promised that noone would notice
23:59 talljoy it looked like i had a wad of chewing tobacco in my lower lip.
23:59 bag let it be known!
23:59 talljoy it was a good look for a chick in the 1980s
23:59 talljoy i was trying to be all valley girl
23:59 talljoy and here i was with a fat lower lip.
23:59 bag yes it destracts from the awful clothes right?
23:59 talljoy hey.  the clothes rocked!

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