IRC log for #koha, 2013-12-05

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00:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1536: SUCCESS in 2 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1536/
00:07 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 11341: fix XSS bug in opac-search.pl (facets)
00:07 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11341 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , XSS attack vendor in facets in OPAC - prog theme
00:20 eythian holy crap, returning a single item causes 148,140 calls into DateTime.pm
00:21 eythian # spent 437ms (18.8+419) within DateTime::compare which was called 5968 times, avg 73µs/call:
00:22 * wizzyrea blinks
00:22 eythian # spent 457ms (19.6+437) within DateTime::_compare_overload which was called 5965 times, avg 77µs/call: # 1182 times (3.64ms+85.5ms) by Set::Infinite::Basic::_simple_spaceship at line 202 of Set/Infinite/Basic.pm, avg 75µs/call
00:22 eythian heh simple spaceship
00:23 eythian I think it's doing some sorting or something
00:23 eythian whereas you could probably shave that 0.5s off by pre-processing and sorting on ints.
00:23 wizzyrea some timey wimey stuff goin on there.
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01:14 dcook dbs++
01:14 dcook Just trying out File_MARC for PHP
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01:16 cait wizzyrea: can you help me with something? :) I want to send a patch for bug 11228
01:16 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11228 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Explanation on 'patron notification' is not quite right
01:18 cait hm, thinking about a correct english sentence to replace the exsting hint with
01:20 cait Select a notice to allow patrons to subscribe to email notifications about newly arrived issues in the OPAC. ?
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02:11 dbs dcook: hey, happy it works for you :)
02:12 dcook dbs: Thanks for keeping it up :). We have a few scripts that use PHP instead of Perl, so it's nice to get ahold of a library that lends similar functionality.
02:13 dcook I was getting to a point of writing up my own class for it but I figured there had to be a better way, and voila
02:13 dcook Still need to get PEAR installed on the actual servers and not just my computer though :p
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02:16 dbs Heh. I hear Composer is the new hotness, maybe I should add a composer.json file...
02:18 dbs The only PEAR code it actually uses is PEAR::Exception, and that's just because that was a requirement of being a PEAR library.
02:19 jcamins dbs: you should leapfrog the new hotness, and use antmavengruntcomposer.
02:20 dbs jcamins++ # you have to use gradle to build that, right?
02:22 jcamins dbs: no, you use gradlegem.
02:22 jcamins Common point of confusion.
02:22 * dbs greps through yeobower to see if that's handled there
02:24 jcamins XML--
02:25 jcamins Who thought "I know, let's develop a format that is outrageously slow to parse"?
02:28 dcook The slowness is rather annoying :/
02:29 jcamins "Rather"?
02:29 eythian I propose we make everything in Koha use ISO2709.
02:30 jcamins eythian: actually, though slow, MARCXML isn't that bad.
02:31 jcamins Some of the cockamamie schemata used by others *cough*ERIC*cough*...
02:33 dcook dbs: Have you thought about using regex like MARC::Record for the "getFields" method?
02:34 dcook Or maybe it is there and I'm doing something wrong..
02:34 dcook 24. seems to get the 245 but 50. gets the 050
02:34 dcook Mmm, there is regex there..
02:35 dcook Ah, perhaps there is a flag I'm missing..
02:35 dcook Drp
02:35 dcook Ok, nevermind me
02:35 * dcook is so not used to using the docs on PEAR yet...
02:36 jcamins There's got to be a way to make parsing the ERIC data files faster.
02:36 dcook Gin would probably make it "seem" like they're being parsed faster
02:37 jcamins lol
02:37 dcook It's after 5 there ;)
02:37 jcamins Good call.
02:38 jcamins I've got a suspicion that there's some sort of semaphore in the library I'm using.
02:39 jcamins 11m for 3835 records.
02:40 eythian that seems longer than just parsing
02:40 jcamins eythian: oh, yeah, I'm loading and transforming them.
02:40 jcamins But loading and transforming records from JSON takes half that time.
02:40 dcook That's still pretty slow.
02:40 jcamins Really slow.
02:40 dcook 5-6 records per second?
02:40 dbs dcook: I don't mind :)
02:41 eythian I like perl -MDevel::NYTProf
02:41 eythian it'll tell you where it's really taking time
02:41 dcook Intriguing..
02:41 jcamins Yeah, profiling would probably be a good idea.
02:41 * dcook should do that with the OAI stuff at some point
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03:01 eythian @wunder nzwn
03:01 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 23.0°C (3:30 PM NZDT on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
03:02 eythian I wouldn't say "clear"
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03:26 joels68 'sup, Koha people?
03:46 mtompset eythian: How did you get those profiling numbers you were mentioning about 3 hours ago?
03:46 eythian Devel::NYTProf
03:48 jcamins Right...
03:48 jcamins the profile says that parsing the XML takes obscenely long, but still under ten seconds.
03:49 mtompset did you somehow get apache to call perl with a -d:NYTProf option?
03:49 mtompset Or was this just with some of the command line tools?
03:50 eythian mtompset: -MDevel::NYTProf and it spits out a file into cwd that you give to nytprofhtml
03:50 eythian http://debian.koha-community.org/~robin/nytprof/ <-- mtompset, it does this
03:52 * dcook assumes red is bad
03:53 jcamins Indeed.
03:54 brendan_ looks green to me
03:54 brendan_ :P
03:55 dcook Darned colour coding, eh?
03:56 brendan_ heh
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03:57 mtompset ARG. stupid network.
03:58 mtompset I was noticing that an optimization I put into GetHiddenItemNumbers (or something like that) isn't there. Which version is this profiled?
03:58 mtompset Which version is this a profile of, eythian?
03:59 eythian I think 3.12 or so
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04:09 Oak Ahoy #koha
04:09 Oak Good night mtompset :)
04:10 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
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04:16 jcamins Okay, looks like parsing XML takes two minutes during the full import.
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04:52 mtompset Well, that's it. Have a great day #koha.
05:16 mtj hey peeps, how do people feel about a 'reset forgotten password' feature, for Koha?
05:17 mtj afaik, it's still a feature that Koha does not have, yeah?
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06:24 rangi if its done properly and securely seems fine to me
06:25 rangi (with a one time token, to the email address on file)
06:25 dcook ^^
06:26 dcook I actually do this in PHP for some of our clients, so I'm all for Blou's work on this in Perl
06:27 dcook I just pretty much copied the functionality of what Twitter does for me everytime I forget my password :p
06:27 rangi and as long as its an option the library can turn on, with the understanding that it does come with some risk
06:27 dcook Mhm
06:27 dcook I wonder if it's an idea to restrict it by patron category
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06:28 dcook And maybe not allow it for library staff (although maybe that's just paranoid)
06:28 rangi dcook: i think it would be prudent to not allow it for borrowers with elevated permissions (not categorycode that doesnt actually matter)
06:28 rangi at least on the opac
06:28 dcook Mmm, good one
06:28 dcook That makes way more sense
06:29 dcook I think it's a feature that a lot of libraries would probably appreciate
06:30 dcook So long as we're not storing their passwords in plain text and showing it in the browser when they "forget their password" (like some library systems), I'm sure it'll meet the needs of most libraries
06:30 dcook Wasn't drojf doing work to encrypt Koha emails as well?
06:30 * dcook says realizing that he hasn't seen drojf around in a really long time...
06:31 mtj heya rangi, dcook
06:31 rangi dcook: yep the code for that is all there
06:31 rangi hes been trying to finish his thesis
06:32 dcook Mmm, that would do it
06:32 dcook hey mtj
06:34 dcook Speaking of stressful writing, I should head off for the night
06:34 dcook Cheers, mtj, rangi, et al
06:42 mtj i'll have to ask dcook about his PHP feature, next time...
06:42 mtj i'm curious how the one-time tokens are stored
06:48 rangi @wunder nzwn
06:48 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 22.0°C (7:30 PM NZDT on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
06:50 rangi mtj: this looks useful http://search.cpan.org/~fracta[…]/Session/Token.pm
06:51 rangi create one, stick it a table + email address, then email it
06:51 rangi and probably a timestamp
06:52 rangi then compare the token to the one stored, and if its within the acceptable time (2 hours, 3 hours .. whatever we decide)
06:52 rangi they get the reset page
06:53 * magnuse waves
06:53 mtj rangi, looks good :)
06:54 mtj yeah, thats how i was imagining the table too
06:54 mtj magnuse, lookin' good too :p
06:55 magnuse aww shucks, hiya mtj
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07:03 magnuse bonjour laurence
07:03 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:03 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is -3.2°C (8:03 AM CET on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
07:03 magnuse huh?!?
07:03 magnuse @wunder boo
07:03 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (7:50 AM CET on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 28.80 in 975 hPa (Rising).
07:03 laurence hello magnuse
07:03 magnuse muharharhar!
07:03 laurence :)
07:03 magnuse bet you don't have 20 cm of snow, though...
07:04 laurence no
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07:45 reiveune hello
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07:56 alex_a bonjour
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10:07 * cait waves
10:15 * magnuse waves to cait
10:18 cait :)
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12:33 tcohen morning #koha
12:50 cait hi tcohen :)
12:51 tcohen hi cait
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12:56 francharb good morning!
13:02 magnuse hiya tcohen and francharb
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13:02 magnuse bgkriegel++ for working on bug 7934, btw
13:02 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7934 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , Separate po file for help pages
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13:24 magnuse khall++ for working on bug 6254
13:24 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6254 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , can't set patron privacy by default
13:24 cait bgkriegel++
13:24 cait bug 11330
13:24 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11330 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Inconsistent field/subfield descriptions on MARC21 bibliographic frameworks
13:25 khall thanks magnuse!
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13:38 drojf hi #koha
13:41 cait hi drojf
13:43 barton good morning, all.
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13:51 tcohen bug 10908
13:51 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10908 blocker, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Fix broken auth_by_bind LDAP mode
13:51 tcohen is it present in 3.12.x?
13:57 drojf hi cait
13:57 drojf how is the storm thing going?
13:58 * drojf goes to get something to eat
13:59 cait storm thing?
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14:16 drojf cait: no storm in southern germany?
14:16 cait not yet
14:16 cait sun
14:17 drojf sun? so jealous. it's dark here already
14:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #138 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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14:25 tcohen is fridolin around?
14:25 cait haven't seen him on irc
14:25 tcohen i've been pushing several stuff to 3.12.x
14:25 tcohen and marking as pushed to stable
14:25 tcohen and then realised I should be following him instead
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14:34 Modest I am importing MARC records to Koha.  The MARC records have some additional fields which are not in the default Koha template.  For example, the Title field (245) has three subfields (811, 812, 813).  I have tried to add the subfields, but after I click Save the subfield doesnt seem to be saved.  If I proceed to import the MARC records, the three subfields are not imported.  Any idea what is going wrong?
14:34 jcamins Modest: when you say it has the subfields 811, 812, and 813, what do you mean?
14:35 jcamins Subfields are *part* of a field, and have one-character labels.
14:35 cait tcohen: i think gmcharlt was in contact with him
14:35 Modest I am here: Home › Administration › MARC frameworks › BKS framework structure › Tag 245 Subfield structure
14:35 jcamins Modest: right, I'm trying to understand what it is you're calling subfields.
14:36 cait 811 wouldn't be a subfield
14:36 Modest I then try to add three new subfields that have the code 811, 812,813 using the New tab
14:36 cait yes, those are not subfields
14:36 cait subfields are 1 character
14:36 cait those would be fields
14:36 Modest In my MARC record it says like this:  =245  \\$813$ajūyonhiki no asagohan.
14:36 cait $8 is the subfield
14:36 jcamins That's subfield 8.
14:36 cait 13 is the content
14:36 cait lol sorry jcamins
14:37 jcamins cait: no problem.
14:37 Modest Ah, you mean the 8 is ignored and its 11, 12, 13.  got it
14:37 jcamins No, the subfield is 8.
14:37 jcamins The value of subfield 8 is 13 in that example.
14:38 Modest Bare with my slow brain a little.
14:38 jcamins marc?
14:38 wahanui http://marc-must-die.info
14:38 jcamins marc?
14:38 wahanui The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here.
14:38 cait like $a and juyonhiki no asagohan is the value
14:38 jcamins ^^ you might find that useful.
14:38 Modest These are the three lines from the MARC I want to import:
14:38 jcamins understanding marc?
14:39 Modest =260 \\$811$a東京 :$b童心社,$c1983.7.
14:39 jcamins wahanui: understanding marc is http://www.loc.gov/marc/umb/ and a horrifying thing to have to do.
14:39 wahanui OK, jcamins.
14:39 Modest =260  \\$812$aトウキョウ :$bドウシンシャ.
14:39 Modest =260  \\$813$atōkyō :$bdōshinsha.
14:39 Modest Currently, only the first one (11) is imported
14:39 Modest How to get 12, 13 also imported?
14:40 cait @marc 260
14:40 huginn cait: Information relating to the publication, printing, distribution, issue, release, or production of a work. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,e,f,g,3,6,8]
14:40 cait why do you think it wasn't imported?
14:41 Modest When I view the MARC record it doesnt have 12, 13 data
14:41 jcamins Do you have an older version?
14:41 jcamins (of Koha)
14:41 Modest no, latest one
14:42 cait can you give us the version number?
14:42 Modest 3.14
14:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #138: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/138/
14:43 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11015: add copyright headers to some files
14:43 jenkins_koha * raewyn adams: Bug 11100: make label for Topics facet easily CSS selectable
14:43 jenkins_koha * Sue Tunnicliff: Bug 11107: make label for authors facet easily CSS selectable
14:43 jenkins_koha * Katherine Chisholm: Bug 11106: make label for Item types facet easily CSS selectable
14:43 jenkins_koha * Gab Hikaka: Bug 11102: fixed bug in Label in Staff Client - places on facets not easily css selectable
14:43 jenkins_koha * Andrew Lockett: Bug 11098: fixed bug in label in opac - topics on facets not easily css selectable
14:43 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11015 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Copyright headers are missing in some packages
14:43 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11070: fix typo in UNIMARC 115a plugin
14:43 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11100 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Label in staff client - Topics on facets not easily css selectable
14:43 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 11070: followup to correct tabs
14:43 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 11058: fix compilation warning in C4::Record
14:43 cait there shoudl be no need to edit the frameworks
14:43 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11107 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, sue.tunnicliff, Pushed to Stable , Label  in staff client - authors on facets not easily accessible
14:44 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11106 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Label item type facet in staff client
14:44 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11102 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Label in Staff Client - places on facets not easily css selectable
14:44 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11098 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrewlockettnz, Pushed to Stable , Label in Opac - topics on facets not easily css selectable
14:44 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11070 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , typo in UNIMARC 115a plugin
14:44 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11058 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Compile time warning issued by C4/Record.pm
14:45 Modest I think something is quite wrong with the import, because this line should go into 245 but actually went into 260 (a):
14:45 Modest =245  \\$813$ajūyonhiki no asagohan.
14:47 cait the other lines you copied were saying 260
14:47 Modest yes they didnt go into 260 at all
14:47 Modest some bits and pieces from the 245 lines went into both 245 and 260
14:48 Modest e.g. 260 (a) is "jūyonhiki no as" in Koha.  That has come from this line in the MARC, somehow:
14:48 Modest =245  \\$813$ajūyonhiki no asagohan.
14:49 jcamins It sounds like your problem is bad data. Can you try importing a different record that has both romanized and original script?
14:49 cait paste?
14:49 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org
14:49 jcamins Also, how are you importing the record?
14:50 Modest I import with this: Home › Tools › Stage MARC records for import
14:51 jcamins Okay.
14:52 Modest I imported 4 records that way but they all have the same problem
14:52 tcohen jcamins: do we index field 400 for authorities?
14:53 jcamins tcohen: yes, as see-from.
14:53 tcohen a search on the authorities form should get those results?
14:54 jcamins I think only keyword.
14:54 Modest This is the original Marc record by the way: http://wine.wul.waseda.ac.jp:2[…]19X/9662465/1/1/1
14:55 jcamins @marc 245
14:55 huginn jcamins: The title and statement of responsibility area of the bibliographic description of a work. [a,b,c,f,g,h,k,n,p,s,6,8]
14:56 jcamins That's not a valid MARC record.
14:56 jcamins 245 is not repeatable.
14:56 jcamins Well... it's not valid MARC21.
14:56 jcamins I'm sure it's valid something.
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14:57 Modest Ideally I want to import all three, its not possible to configure?
14:58 jcamins You'd probably need to define a new MARC flavor.
14:58 Modest sounds hardcore
14:59 jcamins Yeah, Koha doesn't have built-in support for JAPAN/MARC (http://www.ndl.go.jp/jp/library/data_make.html ... maybe).
14:59 Modest If difficult I can accept to just import only one of the three titles, however that also seems to be broken as I explained above where text from the 245 line was imported to 260 in koha.
15:00 jcamins Could you please share the MARCXML for your record in paste.koha-community.org?
15:03 pastebot "Modest" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "MARCXML" (56 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/17
15:03 jcamins Oddly that record doesn't match what I think I'm seeing in the JAPAN/MARC manual.
15:04 jcamins Sorry, I meant the pre-Koha MARCXML.
15:04 Modest it looks like the japanese text has been changed the htmlentities
15:04 jcamins Since I don't read Japanese, that's okay. ;)
15:04 jcamins I'm just comparing the field layouts.
15:06 Modest This data comes from Waseda Uni which seems to be the only one offering z39.50 lookup.  There is another uni but they dont seem to offer ISBN lookup so its not usable for us.  So I dont have an alternate data source which might use a better format.
15:07 jcamins Right, I mean I need the MARCXML from Waseda.
15:07 jcamins form xml
15:07 Modest ok i will try to find it now
15:07 jcamins Actually, how are you searching for it over Z39.50?
15:07 Modest http://wine.wul.waseda.ac.jp/s[…]34004627&1%2C1%2C
15:08 Modest I got the data with MarcEdit client
15:08 jcamins Using what search?
15:08 Modest z39.50 to waseda
15:09 jcamins Right, but you must have done a search to find the record. Remember, I can't read Japanese at all so I need to be told "enter this text in this box."
15:09 Modest I searched for the ISBN: 4834004627
15:10 jcamins Okay. Thanks.
15:10 Modest the URL above should take you directly the MARC record online at waseda opac
15:10 jcamins It did, but I need to see the actual record, not their rendering of it.
15:11 Modest I dont know how I can get the actual record.  I got mine via MarcEdit and z39.50
15:12 Modest I can give the connectino details for the z39.50 at waseda if it helps
15:13 jcamins I have them.
15:13 jcamins These records don't match at all.
15:13 Modest which records dont match?
15:13 jcamins The record that you shared and the record I get from Waseda.
15:14 jcamins They are entirely different works.
15:14 Modest ok maybe my bad, let me check again
15:14 jcamins I think that's the problem. Koha is correctly importing the data, but MarcEdit is giving it something else.
15:14 Modest http://wine.wul.waseda.ac.jp/s[…]igarg=i4834004627
15:15 jcamins Yeah, the record you pasted imported correctly.
15:15 Modest Sorry, I used the wrong ISBN number. It should be 449400619X
15:15 jcamins I mean, it's still not valid MARC21, but all the data was imported.
15:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #139 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:15 Modest Ok, well that is a start!
15:16 Modest So I just need to find a way to import the MARC records using another client?
15:16 jcamins I'd just use Koha's built in Z39.50 copy cataloging.
15:16 Modest One we have scanned the barcodes, we will have 3000 records to fetch the MARC records for.
15:16 Modest Well, I tried using Kohas z39.50 but it didnt work so started looking at other clients.
15:17 jcamins There's probably a way to get MarcEdit to give you the records you want, too.
15:17 jcamins Not using MarcEdit, I can't advise you on that, though.
15:18 Modest The Marc record displays the Japanese incorrectly in koha z39.50 lookup
15:18 jcamins And I should probably point out that since the records aren't valid MARC21, they're probably not going to display the way you might wish.
15:18 jcamins gmcharlt was just talking about Japanese encoding over Z39.50. He might know how to set the encoding to work.
15:19 Modest Ive contacted MarcEdit author today about it.  I also posted about the Koha z39.50 issues on the mailing list but no response yet.
15:19 jcamins Modest: looks like gmcharlt responded asking for more information.
15:19 gmcharlt Modest: I think we emailed yesterday? to reiterate what I said, I'm working on a patch for MARC::Charset that will resolve it, at least for the character involved in that example
15:19 gmcharlt it will be available later today
15:20 Modest Yes I was in touch off list with gmcharlt
15:20 Modest Ok great, hopefully that will work then.  It would be ideal to just use koha instead of marcedit.
15:20 gmcharlt yep, that will be doable
15:21 Modest all fingers and toes and eyes are crossed.
15:22 Modest Thanks all for your help and hopefully I wont have to bug you anymore.
15:24 druthb @quote random
15:24 huginn druthb: Quote #266: "<pianohacker> dpkg is a wonderful thing once you coax it out from within its grumpy shell" (added by druthb at 07:49 PM, June 28, 2013)
15:33 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11077: Correct more warnings in C4/Auth.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]20fff5e2e39e10803> / Bug 11077: remove uninitialized value $pki_field warning <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bc8287fdcbd0dd3c5>
15:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #251 for job master_maria (previous build: FIXED)
15:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #1537 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:38 * cait waves
15:38 druthb o/
15:39 drojf druthb!
15:39 drojf cait!
15:39 druthb drojf!
15:39 druthb @wunder 77098
15:39 huginn druthb: The current temperature in WEST UNIVERSITY, HOUSTON, Texas is 24.4°C (9:39 AM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
15:39 druthb @wunder berlin
15:39 huginn druthb: Error: No such location could be found.
15:39 druthb :-O
15:39 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
15:39 cait drojf! druthb!
15:39 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 4.3°C (4:12 PM CET on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling).
15:40 druthb brr.  We're gonna be down that cold by the weekend, they're sayin'.
15:40 francharb @wunder montreal, quebec
15:40 huginn francharb: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 1.0°C (10:15 AM EST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
15:40 drojf i wonder if i should leave already. don't know how long that storm thing is supposed to last
15:40 cait @wunder Konstanz
15:40 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.3°C (4:40 PM CET on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Falling).
15:40 jcamins @wunder 11375
15:40 druthb brr!
15:40 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 11.9°C (10:25 AM EST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Steady). Dense fog advisory in effect until noon EST today...
15:40 cait drojf: seems the storm is only in north germany :( just watched the news,that looks bad
15:40 druthb @wunder mcmurdo
15:40 huginn druthb: The current temperature in McMurdo, Antarctica is -1.0°C (4:00 AM NZDT on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.01 in 982 hPa (Rising).
15:40 drojf cait: it sounds very windy here now
15:41 druthb hrm.
15:41 cait go home
15:41 druthb @wunder fargo, nd
15:41 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Fargo, North Dakota is -18.0°C (8:53 AM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -22.0°C. Windchill: -30.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until noon CST Saturday...
15:41 druthb yep.  Big time col.
15:41 druthb cold, even
15:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #139: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/139/
15:41 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11003: fix JS error on the staff cart page
15:41 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11002: simplify patron mandatory field validation
15:41 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11002: (follow-up) use jQuery validator plugin
15:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11003 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , JS error on the cart page
15:41 jenkins_koha * Jonet Moore: Bug 11099: fixed bug in Label in Staff Client - series on facets not easily css selectable
15:41 jenkins_koha * Frédéric Demians: Bug 10982: fix link to IFLA UNIMARC documentation in Cataloging
15:41 jenkins_koha * Ketan Kulkarni: Bug 10785: change 'Dropbox' labels to 'Book drop'
15:41 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10785: (follow-up) fix one last bit of capitalization
15:41 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10954: ensure that payment receipt displays the payment made
15:41 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11097 - Hide duplicate patron button if logged in user lacks CAN_user_borrowers permission
15:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11002 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Mandatory fields are not translatable
15:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11099 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonetem, Pushed to Stable , Label in Staff Client - series on facets not easily css selectable
15:41 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10889: fix comment describing biblioitems.serial
15:41 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 11034: remove incorrect return for BiblioAutoLink
15:41 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9192: let UNIMARC_sync_date_created_with_marc_biblio.pl create fields if needed
15:41 jenkins_koha * Martin Renvoize: Bug 10829: fix browsing across pages breaks for OPAC bibs-linked-to-authority searches
15:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10982 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , Link to IFLA UNIMARC documentation in Cataloging
15:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10785 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ketan, Pushed to Stable , dropbox should be book drop
15:41 * druthb thinks.
15:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10954 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Payment receipt does not display the payment made
15:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11097 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Hide duplicate patron button if logged in user lacks CAN_user_borrowers permission
15:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10889 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , wrong description for a column of biblio table in kohastructure.sql
15:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11034 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , BiblioAutoLink has incorrect return in addbiblio.pl
15:41 druthb @wunder amarillo, TX
15:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9192 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , UNIMARC_sync_date_created_with_marc_biblio.pl field creation
15:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10829 trivial, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Stable , Browse across pages breaks for authority searches
15:41 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Oliver-Eakle, Amarillo, Texas is -8.4°C (9:41 AM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -15.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 9 am CST Friday...
15:41 druthb yikes!
15:42 drojf oh, the heating is working again. that's not bad ^^
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15:46 druthb Wonder how far the cold front has gotten...
15:46 druthb @wunder lubbock, TX
15:46 huginn druthb: The current temperature in WT_Meso Lubbock 3W, Lubbock, Texas is -6.7°C (8:55 AM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Freezing Rain. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am CST Friday...
15:46 druthb @wunder abilene, TX
15:46 huginn druthb: The current temperature in ABI 5mi. true N, Abilene, Texas is -2.1°C (9:46 AM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: -14.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect from noon today to noon CST Friday...
15:47 druthb @wunder austin, tx
15:47 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Waller Beach, Austin, Texas is 6.7°C (9:36 AM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from midnight tonight to noon CST Friday...
15:47 druthb @wunder fredericksburg, tx
15:47 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Stehling Hill US 87 North, Fredericksburg, Texas is 1.1°C (9:47 AM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from midnight tonight to noon CST Friday...
15:47 druthb @wunder san antonio, tx
15:47 huginn druthb: The current temperature in HornLofts, San Antonio, Texas is 10.4°C (9:47 AM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
15:47 druthb mhm
15:47 druthb @wunder corsicana, tx
15:47 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Carol Ave, Corsicana, Texas is 2.7°C (9:44 AM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 6 am to 6 PM CST Friday...
15:47 druthb @wunder huntsville, tx
15:47 huginn druthb: The current temperature in RAWS HUNTSVILLE TX US, Huntsville, Texas is 8.3°C (9:06 AM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
15:48 * druthb reaches for her parka.
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16:03 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11104: Wraps series label in a span for CSS selectability. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a8586f2ac15757f4e> / Bug 11111: (follow-up) fix column sorting on parcels page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4e60e91506cc0b231> / Bug 11111: UT: SearchOrders returns keys basketgroupid and basketgroupname <http://git.k
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16:13 reiveune bye
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16:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11101: add CSS selector to item types facet label in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3835e9ed1db02bed7> / Bug 11091: (follow-up) perltidy on serials/subscription-bib-search.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6eda0b2d0b455ab36> / Bug 11091: revamp search limit options for new subscription bib search form <
16:24 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #251: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/251/
16:24 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11077: remove uninitialized value $pki_field warning
16:24 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: Bug 11077: Correct more warnings in C4/Auth.pm
16:24 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11077 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Correct silent warnings in C4/Auth.pm
16:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #252 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
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16:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2310: display tooltips explaining why patron menu items are disabled <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fddfccb1087b4dbce>
16:45 cait 2!310
16:45 cait that's an old one
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17:14 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #252: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/252/
17:14 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11111: display the basket group name on the parcel page
17:15 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11111: UT: SearchOrders returns keys basketgroupid and basketgroupname
17:15 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11111: (follow-up) fix column sorting on parcels page
17:15 jenkins_koha * Tim Hannah: Bug 11104: Wraps series label in a span for CSS selectability.
17:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11111 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The basket group is not displayed on the parcel page
17:15 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11091: revamp search limit options for new subscription bib search form
17:15 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11091: (follow-up) perltidy on serials/subscription-bib-search.pl
17:15 jenkins_koha * Claire Stent: Bug 11101: add CSS selector to item types facet label in OPAC
17:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11104 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, timdhannah, Pushed to Master , Label in opac topics in facets not easily css selectable
17:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11091 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , limits in catalog search when creating subscription
17:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11101 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, claire.stent, Pushed to Master , Item Type label in OPAC not easily css selectable.
17:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #253 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1537: SUCCESS in 2 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1537/
17:36 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11077: remove uninitialized value $pki_field warning
17:36 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: Bug 11077: Correct more warnings in C4/Auth.pm
17:36 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11077 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Correct silent warnings in C4/Auth.pm
17:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #1538 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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17:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #399: SUCCESS in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/399/
17:51 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: clear up the patron registration section
18:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #29 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #29: SUCCESS in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.12.x/29/
18:04 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: clear up the patron registration section
18:04 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update patron self registration further
18:04 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #253: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/253/
18:04 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 2310: display tooltips explaining why patron menu items are disabled
18:04 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2310 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Delete grayed out w/out explanation
18:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #400 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #400: SUCCESS in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/400/
18:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update patron self registration further
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18:07 tcohen @later tell eythian will adding a suggested dependency make an upgrade of koha-common get hold?
18:07 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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18:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #401: SUCCESS in 14 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/401/
18:21 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update self registration verbiage
18:21 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix wording
18:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #140 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #30 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #30: SUCCESS in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.12.x/30/
18:34 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update self registration verbiage
18:34 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix wording
18:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #254 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #140: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/140/
18:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 3934 - move test prediction pattern button
18:49 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11108: fix duplicate display of basket whose receipt has just been cancelled
18:49 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10750: Correct capitalization on suggestion form in OPAC
18:49 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10271: regression test for search using indexes containing 'ns'
18:49 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10271: fix searching using an index containing "ns" or "nb"
18:49 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10271: (follow-up) correct tabs
18:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3934 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , move test prediction pattern button
18:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11108 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , undoing receiving does not appear to work (but actually does)
18:49 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11086: Fixing some grammatical mistakes in member-flags and tools-home
18:49 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11086: (follow-up) editing the database files also
18:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Correct capitalization on suggestion form in OPAC
18:49 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10243: prevent holds queue from making transfer requests that contradict library holds policy
18:49 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10243: (follow-up) add unit tests
18:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10271 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , An index containing ns or nb does not work
18:49 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10243: (follow-up) prevent TransportCostMatrix from overriding library holds policy
18:49 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10283: Hide "many items" on second tab when using OpacSeparateHoldings
18:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11086 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Koha Tools Upload Patron Images text description change
18:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10243 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Holds queue is making transfer requests that contradict the branch holds policy
18:49 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10974: make OAI-PMH resumption tokens handle time correctly
18:49 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10445: make SIP Server respect maxoutstanding system preference
18:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10283 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Hide "many items" on second tab when using OpacSeparateHoldings
18:49 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10445: (follow-up) fix error
18:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10974 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , OAI-PMH Resumption Tokens Do Not Handle Time
18:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10445 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , SIP Server doesn't respect maxoutstanding system preference
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18:50 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2546: DBRev 3.15.00.003 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4dd227b40c88302c9> / Bug 2546: make description of standard fine types translatable <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0c88ec03adf65e3c7>
18:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #141 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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19:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11265: ensure current locale is selected when editing a subscription <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6f5225a3a1c14c6ea>
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19:22 edveal Any XSLT experts around right now?
19:23 edveal I am trying to get the control number (001) field to show in the staff normal view. Any thoughts or suggestions?
19:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #141: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/141/
19:24 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: Bug 10776: fix awkward wording in subscription notification screen
19:24 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9218: fix intranet cart email for non english templates
19:24 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9374: Only 0.00 prices must have class error in basket.tt
19:24 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9374: The color should manage all zero format.
19:24 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9374: (follow-up) add FIXME suggesting that use of a regexp is not the long-term solution
19:24 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10776 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Subscription notification screen has awkward wording
19:24 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9218 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , intranet cart email broken for non english templates
19:24 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9374 minor, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , In baskets, prices between 0 and 1 are displayed in red
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19:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1538: SUCCESS in 1 hr 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1538/
19:35 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11111: display the basket group name on the parcel page
19:35 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11111: UT: SearchOrders returns keys basketgroupid and basketgroupname
19:35 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11111: (follow-up) fix column sorting on parcels page
19:35 jenkins_koha * Tim Hannah: Bug 11104: Wraps series label in a span for CSS selectability.
19:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11111 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The basket group is not displayed on the parcel page
19:35 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11091: revamp search limit options for new subscription bib search form
19:35 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11091: (follow-up) perltidy on serials/subscription-bib-search.pl
19:35 jenkins_koha * Claire Stent: Bug 11101: add CSS selector to item types facet label in OPAC
19:35 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 2310: display tooltips explaining why patron menu items are disabled
19:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11104 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, timdhannah, Pushed to Master , Label in opac topics in facets not easily css selectable
19:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11091 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , limits in catalog search when creating subscription
19:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11101 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, claire.stent, Pushed to Master , Item Type label in OPAC not easily css selectable.
19:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2310 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Delete grayed out w/out explanation
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19:38 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 2546: make description of standard fine types translatable
19:38 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 2546: DBRev 3.15.00.003
19:38 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2546 major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Description of charges: string hardcoded
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19:43 rangi morning
19:44 rangi @later tell tcohen there were a litle flurry of xss issues recently, im sure you will have noticed, but they all are applicable to 3.12, 3.10 and 3.8 too
19:44 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:45 cait good morning rangi :)
19:54 mtompset Greetings, rangi, cait.
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19:59 cait hi mtompset
20:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #402 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
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20:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add new serials info
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20:21 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: reorganized serials info
20:22 * wizzyrea waves
20:22 wizzyrea and yes, cait I could help you with that.
20:22 cait oh hello wizzyrea :)
20:22 cait can oyu help me phrase a nice hint?
20:23 wizzyrea sure
20:23 wizzyrea that one has been bothering me for a while actually
20:25 cait yep me too
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20:25 cait trying to catch up a bit with those annoying little things i have on my list this vacation
20:25 cait good morning kathryn :)
20:25 kathryn morning everyone
20:25 kathryn doh!
20:25 cait :P
20:25 kathryn cait I was trying to beat you!
20:25 cait you failed :)
20:25 kathryn well, race you :)
20:25 cait hehe maybe monday :)
20:25 cait i am slow on mondays
20:26 kathryn noted :)
20:27 wizzyrea Selecting a notice will send email to (patrons, borrowers) who have requested notification of new issues
20:27 wizzyrea or something.
20:27 wahanui it has been said that something is sketchy
20:27 wizzyrea pft.
20:27 cait hm i was thinking maybe we could say subscribed in opac
20:27 cait so people know how patrons can request
20:28 wizzyrea really we ought to add the ability to add borrowers to the staff client
20:28 cait Selecting a notice will send out an email to patrons who have subscribed to notifications of new issues
20:28 cait true
20:28 wizzyrea ...add borrowers to the subscription notify lists
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20:28 wizzyrea and a way to view them
20:28 cait but a bit out of the scope of my bug :)
20:28 wizzyrea hm that might actually exist.
20:28 wizzyrea well yes.
20:28 cait ah you can view
20:29 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #255: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/255/
20:29 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 11265: ensure current locale is selected when editing a subscription
20:29 cait there is a subsscribers link on the subscription detail page
20:29 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11265 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Problems with locale saving/editing on serial subscriptions
20:29 wizzyrea right yea
20:29 cait lots ofpushing tonight :)
20:29 cait gmcharlt++ tcohen++
20:29 cait would the sentence I wrote above work?
20:31 joels68 Everyone would enjoy lots of pushing tonight:P
20:31 wizzyrea yep, I think so
20:31 joels68 Hi cait
20:31 * wizzyrea waffles a bit about "send out an email" because it's very wordy, but it's probably fine and just a matter of my minimalist taste.
20:32 wizzyrea (so don't change it, yours is fine)
20:32 wizzyrea I'm the one who really loves William Carlos Williams because of the way he says so much in so few words
20:33 cait don't know him :)
20:33 wizzyrea http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/22828
20:33 cait german is very wordy
20:33 cait so english always seems shorter to me :)
20:34 wizzyrea well and entire sentences in one word.
20:34 wizzyrea ^.^
20:34 wizzyrea german is cool like that
20:34 wizzyrea http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15535
20:35 wizzyrea ^ probably a better example
20:35 cait :)
20:36 francharb Hey all
20:36 cait hi francharb
20:36 francharb hi cait
20:36 * cait thinks we should order pizza as it's friday
20:37 francharb not yet in canada
20:37 cait well neither it's here...
20:37 cait but we could still have pizza :)
20:37 francharb i just realised it
20:37 francharb sure
20:37 francharb its always pizza time somewhere
20:38 francharb hey cait, have you ever experienced trouble with issueslips printing?
20:38 wizzyrea what kind of trouble?
20:38 francharb in html format, if we put <br/> at the end of the notice
20:38 francharb they are not printed
20:39 francharb wel, you cant see the space where brs are
20:39 wizzyrea not shown, or just not printed?
20:39 * cait is confused too
20:39 francharb it seems they are not printed
20:40 wizzyrea I suspect the printer would just dump off those.
20:40 wizzyrea dump those off*
20:40 cait francharb: you could try using a div and a margin bottom
20:40 cait i think i have done it like that
20:40 francharb yep
20:40 wizzyrea what's the problem you're trying to solve? Receipts that hug the bottom too close?
20:40 cait but i got no feedback form the libraries yet
20:40 francharb thats what I was about to tell
20:40 francharb or maybe try a &nsbp;
20:40 cait we just switched to 3.12 and i  configured some standard slips for most of them
20:40 francharb wizzyrea, exactly
20:41 wizzyrea right, in firefox, you can set the margins
20:41 francharb wizzyrea, with the slipcss syspref, right?
20:42 wizzyrea no, in firefox itself
20:42 cait francharb: you could add the css directly with a style="" too
20:42 francharb right!
20:42 cait but trying out liz' idea sounds good
20:42 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "margins in firefox" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/19
20:43 wizzyrea you probably want something besides 0, it's in CSS order so just put some px in for the bottom 0
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20:45 francharb great!
20:45 francharb thank you wizzyrea!
20:45 francharb thanks cait!
20:48 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "also, you may be able to get at them from about:config, if you can't find the margin settings" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/20
20:48 wizzyrea (I'm on linux, it's a bit different on mine)
20:50 rambutan @wunder 64507
20:50 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -7.2°C (2:50 PM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Falling).
20:50 * cait waves at joels68
20:50 cait sorry missed your hi earlier!
20:51 rambutan -7.2 C, that's like -59.8 F
20:52 joels68 @wunder 56187
20:52 huginn joels68: The current temperature in Worthington, Minnesota is -16.0°C (2:35 PM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -28.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa. Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 6 PM CST Friday...
20:54 joels68 Thor's blowin' in some cold winds this weekend. -14 F or -25 C.
20:55 joels68 Cold....
20:57 wizzyrea that is righteously cold.
20:57 rambutan wow, that's downright cold
20:57 cait -25!
20:57 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:57 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.1°C (9:55 PM CET on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
21:02 joels68 4 C? That's thong weather compared to MN.:-[
21:03 cait heh
21:04 cait it's quite windy!
21:05 cait wizzyrea: Selecting a notice will allow patrons to subsribe to notifications of new issues.
21:05 cait (as you can't subscribe when no notice is selected at all)
21:06 cait or.... to notifications when a new issue is received.
21:08 wizzyrea Selecting a notice will allow patrons to subscribe to notifications to notifications when a new issue is received
21:08 wizzyrea yea, I think that seems right.
21:09 cait Selecting a notice will allow patrons to subscribe to notifications when a new issue is received
21:09 cait well it will be more right than before :)
21:10 cait bug 11228
21:10 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11228 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Explanation on 'patron notification' is not quite right
21:13 cait @later tell drojf - could you please take a look at bug 11260?
21:13 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
21:24 nengard is opacsmallimage unused in bootstrap?
21:24 nengard seems that way to my tests
21:24 nengard and i want to update the manual
21:26 wizzyrea it's in the template.
21:27 wizzyrea oh but it's commented out
21:27 wizzyrea I wonder if that's intentional.
21:28 jcamins I'd guess so, because the required specifications have changed. In order to customize the logo at the top corner, you would use CSS to change the background of #logo.
21:28 wizzyrea that seems like a bug.
21:28 wizzyrea (if it's not intentional, I mean)
21:29 wizzyrea uncommenting it has unpleasant effects on the theme.
21:29 wizzyrea put it on the list of things to deprecate when the other themes are removed I guess.
21:29 jcamins Yeah, that's my guess.
21:30 wizzyrea so nengard, the answer is: it is deprecated in the bootstrap theme, but still in use for the other themes.
21:31 nengard up
21:31 nengard yup
21:31 nengard thanks!!
21:31 nengard I'll word it that way
21:33 wizzyrea gmcharlt - too soon to make a bug for deprecating the prog and ccsr themes? Maybe just to keep track of known things that will need to be done?
21:34 gmcharlt wizzyrea: planning_for_the_future++
21:34 gmcharlt IOW, go for it
21:34 wizzyrea cool
21:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1539: SUCCESS in 1 hr 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1539/
21:35 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 2546: make description of standard fine types translatable
21:35 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 2546: DBRev 3.15.00.003
21:35 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11265: ensure current locale is selected when editing a subscription
21:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2546 major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Description of charges: string hardcoded
21:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11265 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Problems with locale saving/editing on serial subscriptions
21:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #404 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
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21:36 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update opacsmallimage to note it's not in bootstrap
21:37 jenkins_koha Starting build #1540 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:38 wizzyrea gmcharlt - the proposal from the list is kind of the public announcement of intent, yeah?
21:38 gmcharlt yes, you can use that language
21:38 wizzyrea cool
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21:42 peggy Good afternoon!
21:43 wizzyrea hi peggy :)
21:43 nengard hi peggy
21:43 peggy I have just set up a sandbox to do some testing, but the patrons can't put anything on hold.  It says they have too many items on hold, but they don't have any
21:44 cait hi peggy
21:44 peggy I remember this when we set up our real system too.
21:44 nengard the circ rules probably say 0 holds
21:44 cait peggy: try adding a circulation rule
21:44 cait for all libraries all itemtypes all categories
21:45 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "gmcharlt - ok?" (28 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/21
21:45 wizzyrea yep you probably need an All-All-All default rule
21:45 gmcharlt wizzyrea: yes
21:46 wizzyrea cool ty
21:49 wizzyrea bug 11346
21:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11346 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Deprecate the PROG and CCSR themes
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21:50 wizzyrea (and the also relevant 11347)
21:52 gmcharlt wizzyrea++
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21:52 peggy Thanks all!  That works fine.
21:53 wizzyrea yay!
21:58 francharb cait, still around here?
21:58 cait yep
21:58 francharb :)
21:58 francharb do you have a library that use hourly loan?
21:59 cait no
21:59 francharb :)
21:59 francharb ok thanks
21:59 cait and glad :)
21:59 francharb ahah
21:59 cait but sorry to be of no help there
21:59 francharb no worries
21:59 francharb any way, i think it a feature
22:00 francharb related question
22:00 francharb ;)
22:00 francharb one of our library print issue slips for hourly loan
22:01 francharb but the date due printed doesent give the hour
22:01 cait hm
22:01 francharb but the info is in the database
22:01 cait i thought it used to - have you checked bugzilla?
22:01 francharb so I guess the hour is stripped somewhere
22:01 francharb nope, I will
22:01 francharb thanks!
22:02 francharb cait, isn't is kind of late in germany?
22:02 cait a bit 11
22:02 francharb not that late
22:02 francharb but still
22:02 cait yeah it's not too bad :)
22:02 francharb are you still working?
22:02 cait no work tomorrow - i get to say up as late as i want :)
22:03 francharb hehe
22:04 francharb cait, you were right
22:04 cait hm?
22:04 francharb there is already something in bugzilla
22:04 francharb http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9725
22:04 huginn Bug 9725: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add support to notices for hourly loans
22:04 cait ah, but is that for the issue slips?
22:05 francharb it says "component : notices"
22:05 francharb so I guess, it's also for issue slips
22:05 francharb ebegin, ^
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22:10 cait maybe bug 9014
22:10 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9014 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Add time due to slips
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23:15 dcook I must say that I'm digging the Australian-style licorice
23:17 cait hm?
23:18 dcook Well, it's very different from North American licorice.
23:18 dcook Perhaps closest to...nibbs?
23:18 * dcook tries to remember if nibbs is a word..
23:19 dcook Nibs
23:20 jcamins Yup.
23:23 dcook They're Australian style is longer than Nibs (but shorter than twizzlers), and very soft and full of flavour
23:23 dcook I don't know if I could eat another twizzler
23:25 wizzyrea twizzlers are gross.
23:25 wizzyrea have you had RJ's licorice?
23:25 cait mmh yum
23:25 wizzyrea idk if they sell it in oz
23:25 dcook RJ's? Doesn't sound familiar
23:26 wizzyrea anyway, if you see RJ's licorice with chocolate inside - buy it. :)
23:26 dcook O_O
23:26 dcook That sounds amazing
23:26 * dcook just finished eating his chocolate
23:26 jcamins Mmmm. Chocolate.
23:26 dcook All I have are phone accessories and kleenex in my bag. Neither looks edible...
23:26 bag ears perk up at hearing bag :P
23:26 dcook hehe
23:27 dcook Care to comment on candy preferences?
23:27 * dcook still can't refer to all candy as lollies
23:27 dcook I guess it's my refusing to assimilate
23:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1540: SUCCESS in 2 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1540/
23:36 * wizzyrea will happily refer to lollies
23:36 wizzyrea and rubbish
23:38 * cait closes really old bugs
23:38 cait wegot over 900open bugs (without counting enh)
23:38 dcook cait++
23:39 dcook Rubbish is a pretty good term
23:39 dcook Lollies just doesn't make sense to me...
23:40 wizzyrea the one I can't get
23:40 wizzyrea is biscuits for cookies
23:41 wizzyrea i can pretty happily call fries chips.
23:41 wizzyrea and ketchup, tomato sauce
23:41 wizzyrea but biscuits are not cookies.
23:41 * jcamins can't call ketchup tomato sauce.
23:42 wizzyrea unless it's a very specific kind of cookie.
23:42 cait youall are really confusing this non native speaker:)
23:42 wizzyrea sorry cait
23:42 dcook sorry cait
23:42 * dcook agrees about the biscuit thing though
23:43 dcook jcamins: If it helps, I've been told (unreliably) that ketchup has more sugar than tomato sauce
23:43 dcook Some places in Sydney will say ketchup and fries.
23:43 jcamins dcook: that is very true.
23:43 dcook Mind you, they might just be saying that to sound more North American...
23:43 jcamins Tomato sauce shouldn't have more than a few tablespoons.
23:43 dcook Aussies have a weird relationship with America.
23:43 wizzyrea tomato sauce in nz is not at all like either ketchup or tomato sauce that you get in the states.
23:44 wizzyrea tomato sauce = tomato puree
23:44 wizzyrea ^ in the states
23:44 wizzyrea ^ in NZ
23:44 dcook I don't know if I've seen tomato puree...tomato paste?
23:44 dcook Sorry cait
23:44 wizzyrea nope, that's pasty.
23:44 jcamins wizzyrea: I don't think that tomato sauce means the same thing to you as to me.
23:44 dcook ;)
23:45 jcamins Tomato puree is a thing in my world, and tomato sauce is very different.
23:45 rambutan All those things are clearly labeled in the store.
23:45 * wizzyrea thinks of the stuff that comes out of the can, and is slightly more runny than tomato paste
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23:45 wizzyrea "tomato sauce" in the states.
23:45 jcamins wizzyrea: that's tomato puree.
23:45 wizzyrea that's tomato puree here too.
23:46 wizzyrea in kansas, that's tomato sauce.
23:46 wizzyrea (that's what it says on the can)
23:46 wizzyrea ingredients: tomato puree.
23:46 wahanui tomato puree is probably a thing in jcamins's world, and tomato sauce is very different.
23:46 * dcook hopes the NSA is watching this
23:46 jcamins Really?
23:46 jcamins Weird.
23:46 wizzyrea yep
23:47 wizzyrea http://static.caloriecount.abo[…]to-sauce-7504.jpg
23:48 cait wizzyrea: how long till beer o'clock? :)
23:48 wizzyrea too long.
23:48 dcook Mmm beer o'clock
23:48 dcook I so need a beer today
23:48 rambutan http://tinyurl.com/mryfuyk
23:49 wizzyrea http://nzstore.biz/146-thickbo[…]-tomato-sauce.jpg < nz tomato sauce
23:49 rambutan http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p[…]38815_500X500.jpg
23:49 wizzyrea http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XU9x[…]tchup_preview.jpg < ketchup
23:50 rambutan http://www.doma-italian-market[…]uree_TO-89017.gif
23:50 wizzyrea yup rambutan feels me
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23:50 dcook http://ecx.images-amazon.com/i[…]_SL500_AA280_.jpg
23:50 jcamins wizzyrea: that's so weird.
23:51 rambutan http://www.delmonte.com/media/[…]uct_photo_365.png
23:51 wizzyrea hehehhe
23:51 wizzyrea or the difference between chopped, and diced tomatoes
23:52 * dcook thinks chopped refers to large chunks?
23:52 wizzyrea you know it's bad when you can spend more than 5 minutes just looking for the kind of tomato in a can you want.
23:52 rambutan http://files.doobybrain.com/wp[…]tles-compared.jpg
23:52 * dcook just always gets tomato paste
23:52 dcook Actually, I guess we do get...canned tomatos...
23:52 jcamins wizzyrea: never seen diced potatoes in a can.
23:52 dcook ^^
23:52 rambutan http://www.abetterbagofgroceri[…]iced-tomatoes.jpg
23:53 jcamins Huh.
23:53 jcamins And now I have.
23:53 dcook huh
23:53 dcook ditto
23:53 dcook You're crazy fast with those links, rambutan ;)
23:53 cait jcamins: dito
23:54 rambutan http://www.ruggierosmarket.com[…]/products/282.gif
23:54 cait oh tomatos yes, but not potatos
23:54 rambutan last one. should all be clear now
23:54 * jcamins meant tomatoes.
23:54 cait hm 916 bugs
23:54 jcamins Sorry, watching Chopped.
23:54 rambutan chopped bugs?
23:55 * wizzyrea has seen diced potatos in a can
23:55 dcook hehe
23:55 wizzyrea (in kansas)
23:55 rambutan most certainly
23:55 jcamins I've always avoided seeing potatoes in cans.
23:55 * dcook had frog's legs once when he was a kid in Saskatchewan
23:55 wizzyrea potatoes, I guess.
23:55 cait dcook: heh, i had them in marseille :)
23:55 dcook I have no idea why we had frog's legs in a tiny remote rural village, but..
23:55 dcook cait: Oh yeah? Did you like them?
23:56 wizzyrea I had those in Kansas a few times. Stringy.
23:56 cait like chicken
23:56 rambutan http://www.delmonte.com/media/[…]uct_photo_417.png
23:56 dcook I recall them being just like chicken too
23:56 wizzyrea oh you'll love this one
23:56 dcook ebegin should host a kohacon so that folks can have poutine ;)
23:56 jcamins wizzyrea: e is optional.
23:57 wizzyrea in nz - you can get chips at a chippie, but you can't get chippies at a chippie.
23:57 dcook O_o
23:57 dcook What are chippies?
23:57 wizzyrea you get chippies at the dairy.
23:57 wizzyrea potato chips
23:57 dcook Mmm
23:57 dcook And you get them at the dairy?
23:57 * wizzyrea thanks kathryn for that first week lesson (from last year)
23:58 wizzyrea yes.
23:58 wizzyrea you get them at the dairy.
23:58 kathryn hehe

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