IRC log for #koha, 2013-05-14

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00:00 jcamins I observed that. :)
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00:05 dcook So "New Child Record" is part of the "Enhanced workflow"
00:05 jcamins Right.
00:05 dcook And "Analyze Items" and "Link to host item" are EasyAnalytical-related?
00:05 jcamins Right.
00:07 dcook Yeah, "EasyAnalyticals" seems...fishy
00:07 jcamins It's a very cool feature.
00:08 jcamins Provided you understand its limitations, which are numerous.
00:08 jcamins On the other hand, it does work in some situations where the Enhanced workflow does not. If you don't have accession numbers, the Enhanced workflow does not work.
00:09 rangi true
00:09 dcook Mmm, I was wondering how it did the linking
00:09 dcook Your accession numbers being recorded in the 001, yes?
00:09 jcamins Right.
00:10 jcamins Also, if you circulate analytics a lot, the enhanced workflow will not do it for you.
00:10 dcook No?
00:10 wahanui[…]33/collapsing.gif
00:10 jcamins Because people will be expecting the articles to be in, when they are, in fact, checked out.
00:10 jcamins eythian: lol
00:11 jcamins dcook: enhanced analytics has no connection to items.
00:11 jcamins Or whatever they called it.
00:11 jcamins "Enhanced workflow."
00:11 dcook Mmm, makes sense.
00:12 dcook "Enhanced workflow" seems regular old cataloguing but saves you the step of filling out the 773 on the child record (or whatever it's supposed to be called)
00:12 jcamins Now, the code for EasyAnalytics is still disappointing, even with the amount of rewriting I did, but the feature itself does have its place.
00:12 jcamins Exactly.
00:12 jcamins It is an enhanced workflow for bibliographic analysis.
00:12 dcook Cool
00:12 jcamins And therefore also doesn't make a whole lot of sense for synthetic collections.
00:12 dcook Although it relies on the 001 which can be problematic :/
00:13 dcook synthetic collections?
00:13 jcamins Bound-withs that have a volume record.
00:13 jcamins I may have made that term up on the spot.
00:13 jcamins Hard to say.
00:13 dcook haha
00:14 dcook And that's where EasyAnalytics comes in
00:14 jcamins Right.
00:14 jcamins Very different use cases.
00:14 dcook The "Enhanced workflow" seems very librarian-y
00:14 jcamins It is.
00:14 jcamins Which is why I like it better, now that it exists. :P
00:14 dcook hehe
00:15 dcook EasyAnalytics seems like it could be more useful for patrons
00:15 * dcook ponders this
00:16 dcook If the host item showed some details and the status of the linked items...that would be useful
00:16 dcook Hmm, interesting.
00:16 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:18 rangi right google (and other indexing engines) should be able to index now .. ill see how that goes
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00:28 mtompset Hmmm... progress.
00:28 wahanui hmmm... progress is good
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00:56 mtj rangi++ looks good :D
00:57 rangi will take a few days for google to notice
00:57 jcamins What did you change?
00:57 jcamins Just the robots.txt?
00:59 * jcamins glumly contemplates
00:59 rangi yep
00:59 rangi and added a sitemap
00:59 jcamins There is an absurd amount of cruft in that file.
01:00 rangi yup
01:00 jcamins, not the sitemap.
01:03 rangi we should be able to generate sitemaps for koha easily too actually
01:03 rangi using Search::Sitemap
01:03 jcamins fredericd has a script for generating sitemaps.
01:04 rangi *nod*
01:04 rangi now thats a plugin i could get behind
01:06 jcamins Hmmm.
01:07 jcamins UseTablesortForCirc sets whether or not Datatables are used for the checkout tables.
01:07 jcamins Is used.
01:07 jcamins Whichever is proper.
01:07 jcamins I don't think I need to provide the option.
01:08 jcamins I haven't decided which option I'll use, but it's much more straightforward to only have one.
01:50 jcamins bgkriegel++
01:58 eythian[…]&q=atari+breakout
02:03 dcook eythian: you always find all the best stuff
02:07 cjh :o :o :o
02:21 eythian it's mostly a sign that the rest of you need to pick up your game :)
02:23 ibeardslee although I do notice that it was pasted in the our work IRC a couple of minutes before it ended up in here
02:25 eythian I'm not in the work IRC channel. Hah!
02:50 jcamins Oh, hey... bug 9452 and bug 10230 are definitely going into 3.12.0, so it would be nice if someone other than me looked at them before that happened.
02:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9452 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , C4::Letters does not function under Plack
02:50 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10230 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Match points do not work with authorities
02:50 jcamins If anyone on the other side of the planet gets a chance, that'd be appreciated.
02:53 jcamins Sign offs from this side of the planet are good too, of course, but it's 11pm so I figure everyone from this side of the planet is somewhere not on #koha.
02:53 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone.
03:50 mtj anyone planning on hanging about for the wgtn-perlmongers this arvo?
03:51 eythian I probably won't be.
03:52 mtj ah, ok
03:52 mtj i'm trying to talk dennie into sticking about :D
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04:41 * dcook waves to cait
04:41 cait hi dcook
04:42 eythian hi cait
04:43 cait hi eythian
04:43 cait nice new toy
04:45 eythian yeah, it's quite neat. Need to find the development work I started on it earlier in the year and polish it up some.
04:46 * wizzyrea waves
04:52 * cait waves  back
05:47 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:47 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.0°C (7:45 AM CEST on May 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
05:49 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
05:49 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on May 14, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
05:49 wizzyrea hm actually that's pretty nice
05:53 cait bit cool here
05:54 cait we got lots of rain the last few days
05:54 dcook @wunder Sydney, Australia
05:54 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 18.0°C (3:30 PM EST on May 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
05:55 magnuse @wunder boo
05:55 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on May 14, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
05:55 dcook It feels a bit chilly here...I think the air conditioning is on :S
05:55 magnuse woohoo - double digits!
05:55 * magnuse needs breakfast - fast
05:55 wizzyrea coffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffee​coffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffee
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05:57 dcook I think it might be lunch time
05:57 * dcook looks at the clock
05:57 dcook When did 4pm happen...
06:06 * cait just had breakfast
06:06 cait wizzyrea: could I interest you in taking a look at bug 9575?
06:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9575 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Serious Holds Problem with IndependantBranches
06:13 wizzyrea sure
06:13 cait i think i figured it out - superlibraian permissoin makes the difference
06:16 wizzyrea hm.
06:17 cait hm?
06:17 cait i just passed it you can#t tell me now it doesn't work ;)
06:18 wizzyrea oh no, I was finishing an email I haven't started
06:18 cait with no superlibrarian permission and indybranches ON the pull downs showed the correct pickup libraries, but I couldn't change them, which seems right to me
06:18 cait hopefully :)
06:18 wizzyrea so it's still broken with superlibrarian?
06:20 * wizzyrea esploded her laptop (fixably) a couple of weeks ago, but the side effect is that I don't have my git aliases atm
06:21 cait wizzyrea: no it seems to work alright for that
06:21 cait always giving you the full pulldown
06:21 cait to pick
06:21 wizzyrea ah ok
06:23 wizzyrea so all good then?
06:23 cait hopefully yes
06:23 cait with the patch
06:23 cait i must have changed something with my permissions when testing i guess
06:24 wizzyrea i'll test it again anyway
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06:28 cait wizzyrea: won't hurt
06:28 cait wizzyrea: i had to log in again after changing my permissoins to make it work
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06:32 reiveune hello
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06:46 cait br
06:46 cait b
06:58 Joubu hello #koha
07:00 magnuse hiya Joubu
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07:01 alex_a hello
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07:02 christophe_c hello #koha
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07:05 gaetan_B hello
07:06 wizzyrea i've got a weird problem where imported patrons seem to be coming in with expiry dates of 0000-00-00 - irritatingly I can't replicate it
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07:16 wizzyrea no - sorry i meant debarred dates
07:16 wizzyrea i had expiry in my mind.
07:31 rangi evening
07:32 magnuse morning
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07:35 * wizzyrea just settles on "hi"
07:35 rangi heh
07:36 magnuse ooh, very clever wizzyrea :-)
07:36 * magnuse makes a note for future greetings
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07:42 wizzyrea grrrr. Gr!
07:43 rangi ?
07:45 wizzyrea i cannot, for the life of me, make any process I can think of stick 0's in the debarred field. and it's pissing me off.
07:45 wizzyrea sorry, it's irritating.
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07:56 huginn GERMS!!!!
07:56 wahanui germs is, like,
07:57 * wizzyrea goes for water
08:09 magnuse wizzyrea++
08:11 * wizzyrea wonders why freenode isn't connected... hmm
08:11 wizzyrea oh it is, I just didn't join my channels >.< silly.
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08:12 magnuse that would do it...
08:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #120 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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09:13 wizzyrea that thing we're doing, where we put the bug numbers in the db updates - I like it.
09:13 wizzyrea moar of that plox
09:13 wizzyrea :)
09:17 * magnuse thaouht that was in the coding guidelines
09:17 magnuse but it doesn't look like it us
09:17 magnuse s/us/is/
09:18 wizzyrea actually if you ever question whether you should put the bug number in... put it in.
09:18 wizzyrea ;P
09:19 magnuse good rule! :-)
09:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #120: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/120/
09:35 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 10185: Fix update
09:35 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 10185: Add missing columns in update
09:35 jenkins_koha * Christophe Croullebois: Bug 7228: can't add items in an order with Modify
09:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10185 blocker, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , remove all reserves
09:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7228 major, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , can't order more than 1 when importing all from staged file
09:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #314 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #314: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/314/
10:14 jenkins_koha Christophe Croullebois: Bug 7228: can't add items in an order with Modify
10:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7228 major, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , can't order more than 1 when importing all from staged file
10:14 magnuse success! \o/
10:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #315 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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10:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #315: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/315/
10:51 jenkins_koha Christophe Croullebois: Bug 9923 - correction of a bug due to bz 7129
10:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9923 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , correction of a bug due to bz 7129
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11:23 * magnuse wonders if jcamins is planning to work on bug 10240, or if he was just jotting down an idea
11:23 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB
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11:47 drojf hi #koha
11:49 kf hi drojf
11:51 drojf hi kf
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12:03 jcamins magnuse: I'm working on it. That's why I marked it "sponsored."
12:03 magnuse jcamins: very cool!
12:04 magnuse guess i'm not in the habit of looking at the sponsored field
12:04 kf i got asked about that today
12:04 kf offline circ with borrowers etc.
12:05 magnuse jcamins: do you think that work might fix the "issue" viktor was talking about, where staff (want to) scan books faster than koha can respond?
12:05 jcamins magnuse: probably not, no.
12:05 magnuse dang :-)
12:06 magnuse will there be anything ajaxy for getting "cached" operations sent to the server?
12:06 jcamins Yes.
12:06 magnuse kf: isn't there a solution for that, where you create a db of users etc?
12:06 magnuse or did that stop working?
12:06 kf magnuse: yeah, but you have to create them server side
12:06 magnuse jcamins: it might be a good start on the fast-scanning thing, then :-)
12:07 kf with a script
12:07 kf not sure how jcamins is going to solve that: :)
12:07 jcamins kf: I'm going to let magnuse work on it because I don't care. :P
12:08 jcamins None of my clients check out enough for checkouts to be "too fast."
12:08 magnuse :-)
12:11 jcamins kf: you're probably not going to be able to use the offline circ.
12:12 jcamins It involves saving patron information to the desktop.
12:13 kf yeah i know
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12:15 kf hi oleonard
12:15 oleonard Hi
12:15 wahanui privet, oleonard
12:16 jcamins magnuse:[…]eads/bug_html5_oc
12:16 jcamins I'll probably be renaming the branch at some point.
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12:18 jcamins Checkins are fully functional at this point. Checking things out and paying fines is not.
12:24 kf arg
12:24 kf sorry for missing the string changes
12:24 jcamins No problem.
12:24 jcamins That's why I check.
12:24 kf because you don't trust me? ;)
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12:24 kf nah, 4 eyes are better
12:25 jcamins Because it's a good idea to check again.
12:25 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
12:25 mtompset Greetings, kf jcamins. :)
12:25 kf hi mtompset
12:28 jcamins Hello.
12:30 jcamins Oh, hey... bug 9452 and bug 10230 are definitely going into 3.12.0, so if anyone has time it would be nice if someone other than me looked at them before that happened.
12:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9452 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , C4::Letters does not function under Plack
12:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10230 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Match points do not work with authorities
12:35 kf jcamins: i will try to send my mail tonight... things totalyl crazy here
12:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9575' into 3.14-master <[…]6174101c6150e7faf> / Bug 9575 - Serious Holds Problem with IndependantBranches <[…]2f1f69f1c5cabbb96> / Merge branch 'bug_10233' into 3.14-master <[…]=commitdiff;h=9a8
12:38 jcamins Thanks.
12:38 jcamins Oh, that reminds me.
12:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #30 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:41 drojf is there a way to set how long the opac search history is kept?
12:41 jcamins drojf: I don't think so.
12:41 drojf oh. there should be
12:41 jcamins At least, not as a patron.
12:42 magnuse Finns are cool: "[Pocket] Library is a new kind of a service for library patrons. It runs on modern iPhone and Android smartphones. The service expands the traditional notion of checking out materials, making it possible for library users to check out books and other items directly from other users anywhere."[…]ary/pocketlibrary
12:42 drojf i don't think we are allowed to store search history for ever
12:42 drojf but it would be nice to keep the option in general
12:43 drojf kf: do your libraries use opac search history?
12:43 jcamins Poor magnuse... lots of Norwegian still to translate.
12:43 drojf magnuse: are you doing nynorsk and bokmål?
12:43 magnuse nope, only bokmål
12:44 magnuse and i skip everything that is 1. ina ahelp file or 2. only relevant to marc21 and unimarc
12:44 drojf heh
12:44 drojf cheater :P
12:44 jcamins Probably wise.
12:44 magnuse s/ina ahelp/in a help/
12:44 magnuse drojf: i know ;-)
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12:45 magnuse Bug 7934 and bug 7939
12:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7934 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po file for help pages
12:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po files for different MARC dialects
12:46 magnuse more po files?
12:46 magnuse more po files are bug 7934 and bug 7939
12:46 magnuse more po files?
12:46 wahanui more po files are bug 7934 and bug 7939
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12:49 oleonard If I have  DebugLevel set to show no debugging information shouldn't a 500 error in the OPAC trigger the 500 error template instead of a white screen with an error?
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12:50 jcamins oleonard: only if Koha traps the error, which it almost never does.
12:51 oleonard Bad Koha.
12:51 magnuse jcamins: the string count is not as bad as the word count - there are a lot of looong strings in the help files that i am skipping
12:52 jcamins magnuse: hehe.
12:55 jcamins Okay, I announced that as threatened the string freeze is ending on Saturday.
12:56 magnuse yay
12:57 oleonard Interesting... According to Wikipedia Catalan, Czech, and Kurdish Sorani all have about the same number of native speakers.
12:58 druthb @quote random
12:58 huginn druthb: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 02:00 PM, October 07, 2009)
12:58 oleonard Error messages in the OPAC say "Use top menu bar to navigate to another part of Koha." I wonder how long ago that top menu bar went away?
12:58 jcamins Chinese (China) is so close!
12:58 magnuse oleonard: ooh, coincidence?
12:58 wahanui ...or enemy action...
12:58 jcamins oleonard: a long, long time.
12:59 oleonard Should we replace that suggestion with something else, or just take it out?
12:59 oleonard Does the user need to be encouraged to try something else?
12:59 magnuse lol
12:59 jcamins I don't know.
12:59 * jcamins leaves.
13:00 oleonard We could point them back to the OPAC home page, or shorten it to "Navigate to another part of Koha."
13:01 oleonard ...not that any particular catalog might actually be identified to the user as Koha.
13:07 oleonard I'll just change the message to say "Go away."
13:11 oleonard "Oh my god, you killed Koha! You bastard!"
13:15 * druthb blinks.
13:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #30: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/30/
13:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10233 - Toolbar background missing from staff client catalogue page
13:16 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9575 - Serious Holds Problem with IndependantBranches
13:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10233 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Toolbar background missing from staff client catalogue page
13:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9575 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Serious Holds Problem with IndependantBranches
13:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #1171 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1164 7 days 23 hr ago)
13:17 magnuse oleonard++
13:20 oleonard "<!-- begin code Mamata-->" ?
13:21 magnuse ?
13:21 oleonard In one of the SCO templates
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13:23 kf hm customization that slipped in? git blame? :)
13:24 oleonard It has been there all along.
13:24 kf :)
13:25 magnuse easter egg?
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13:50 drojf i am mildly surprised that it is going to rain on the one day i did not bring appropriate clothing
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13:59 tcohen oh, the dates are approaching too fast
14:06 mtompset Kenny and Koha both start with K, but that's about where the similarities end. :P
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14:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1171: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1171/
14:26 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10233 - Toolbar background missing from staff client catalogue page
14:26 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9575 - Serious Holds Problem with IndependantBranches
14:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10233 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Toolbar background missing from staff client catalogue page
14:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9575 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Serious Holds Problem with IndependantBranches
14:29 oleonard hush jenkins_koha & huginn, stop waking me up
14:52 mtompset Who is looking into bug 7593?
14:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7593 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , merging bib records loses connection to order line
14:53 jcamins Mathieu and Jonathan.
14:54 mtompset Okay. Because that seems to be the source of the unstable build.
14:54 jcamins Yes.
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14:55 Joubu mtompset: Yep, I proposed a patch.
14:56 Joubu jcamins: Maybe I should change the status to "passed qa" ?
14:56 jcamins Joubu: yes please. :)
14:58 Joubu jcamins: ok, done
14:58 jcamins Thanks.
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15:03 mtompset So is chris' email to all of us automated, or did he just grab everyone's email from patches pushed since failure?
15:06 reiveune bye
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15:08 kf mtompset: jenkins is whining at you?
15:08 kf the answer is yes
15:08 kf it's automated and it whines at everyone that could be involved (patches pushed since it started failing)
15:09 mtompset But it has chris' email address and name?
15:09 mtompset Oh scratch that... just email address.
15:10 mtompset Okay. It's an automated whine.
15:10 jcamins Still automated.
15:11 jcamins Automated e-mail sending scripts don't have to have their own e-mail address.
15:15 mtompset True enough, but you can always fake the "From" so it would say Jenkins.
15:16 drojf if i wanted to have an option to regularly clear all but the entries of the last x days from search_history, would there be any other option than a cron job?
15:18 drojf (search_history is in sql if that wasn't obvious)
15:19 drojf kf: ping
15:21 drojf err, clear all entries BUT those of the last x days… doesn't matter for the question i guess
15:21 jcamins drojf: no, and that cron job already exists.
15:21 jcamins What you'd need to add is the ability for the patron to specify the length of time.
15:22 drojf jcamins: OH yes, i forgot i wanted to have a look at the cron jobs before asking. then i took a break and had a fight with a vending machine and forgot about it :/
15:23 drojf not sure if we would want the patron to specify that at all. personally i would like to have that option
15:24 jcamins Oh, well, if the patrons can't specify it, the featurea already exists.
15:24 drojf i think that would be enough for my colleague who asked about it. we'll see
15:24 jcamins "Fifty-two percent of the top 100"... wouldn't you usually say 52 of the top 100?
15:25 drojf lol
15:26 drojf i would
15:26 oleonard Or if you're in the U.S. Senate, "Almost a majority of the top 100"
15:26 jcamins lol
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15:30 drojf why is there a "Installation Guide for Configuring a Koha Server to Use a Gmail Account as its SMTP Server" in the cronjobs folder? (
15:30 drojf *an
15:31 * oleonard git-blames chris_n
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15:32 drojf ah yeah i should learn to use git blame :)
15:32 drojf doen't really answer the "why" though
15:32 drojf *doesn't
15:33 gaetan_B bye !
15:34 jcamins drojf: because all the cool kids were using gmail when it first came out, and there was a query to the list nearly daily about how to set it up.
15:34 kf ^^ what he said
15:34 drojf jcamins: but why is it in cronjobs?
15:35 jcamins drojf: no idea.
15:36 drojf i don't find a cronjob related to search history though.
15:36 jcamins It's somewhere...
15:37 jcamins
15:37 drojf i found that but i understand it is not for search history but circulation
15:38 drojf will be a good starting point though
15:38 drojf kf: how do you do that in your libraries?
15:39 drojf kf hates me
15:39 drojf ^^
15:40 kf hm?
15:41 jcamins drojf: I thought it was supposed to do both.
15:41 kf we are probably going to use our own sql scripts
15:41 kf we have user data in so many tables... and there is deletedborrowers... and other things
15:42 kf and it's not only patrons, it's also staff user data
15:42 kf it's fun! ;)
15:44 mtompset drojf: git blame combined with git show is very useful.
15:44 maximep tig is also great to do blames
15:45 mtompset Is tig more bouncy like tigger? ;)
15:45 kf[…]1c6150e7faf#l2837
15:45 kf only old issues, but don't we have the connection still in the logs then?
15:45 drojf jcamins: as far as i can see it does not do both
15:46 drojf oh kf was faster
15:46 kf that's because i hate you ;)
15:46 kf nah
15:46 drojf :(
15:46 * kf hands you a cookie
15:47 kf would I try to find that out if I really did?
15:47 jcamins Maybe.
15:47 drojf yes, to show me how stupid i am
15:47 drojf ^^
15:47 jcamins In order to crush his dreams.
15:47 drojf lol
15:47 kf lol
15:47 drojf thanks for the cookie :)
15:47 jcamins I have a problem. These shelves are too short.
15:48 jcamins Also, there are too many books.
15:48 kf is ther such a think?
15:48 kf thing?
15:48 wahanui thing is I need to find that record
15:48 drojf i had a vending machine steal a snickers and the backup snickers that i only bought to kick the first one out too. i don't like this day
15:48 kf lol
15:48 jcamins kf: there is when your goal is putting all the books on shelves.
15:49 jcamins drojf: you should go home and bake.
15:49 jcamins Hm. But I bet you don't have rice flour yet, do you?
15:49 drojf jcamins: i have a meeting for 2 hours starting in 10 minutes. that is why i wanted a snickers :/
15:49 drojf (and yes, i got them both out with violent rage)
15:49 kf drojf: maybe you could add it here?[…]6174101c6150e7faf
15:50 drojf kf: that looks like a good place
15:50 drojf have to take a deeper look later
15:51 drojf closer look. whatever
15:51 drojf a look.
15:51 drojf ;)
15:51 kf drojf: maybe a new script to do privacy things would not be a bad thing
15:51 drojf kf: a page to tell about privacy things would be nice too. i remember some drojf starting one and never having time to work on it :D
15:52 kf ah that drojf..,.
15:52 drojf the drojf that likes to start things
15:52 * drojf heads to the meeting
15:52 drojf later
15:55 kf jcamins: any opinion about dashes in authorized values?
15:55 kf bug 10237
15:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10237 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Enforce authorized value character limitations
15:55 kf i am looking for more opinions - so anyone feel free to comment :)
15:56 jcamins kf: better a dash than a space, but disallowing dashes might not be a bad idea either.
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15:57 kf I remember someone had E-book e-journal or something and they had wrong results
15:57 kf wish i could rememeber more clearly
15:58 kf bye all
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15:59 * oleonard vaguely remembers what kf is talking about
16:02 oleonard No, what I remember is Bug 7456
16:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7456 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , itypes with similar codes throw off search results
16:03 oleonard "When performing a search for itype "BOOK", items with the itype code of "E-BOOK" appears in the opac search results."
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16:10 gmcharlt @quote random
16:10 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #111: "<thd> kf: Many things can be funded with many people and small amounts." (added by druthb at 12:28 PM, December 15, 2010)
16:39 maximep 2010, that's before kickstarted really started
16:39 maximep now it seems obvious
16:42 oleonard Except now with Kickstarter people fund in small amounts but don't get to share "ownership" of the product.
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16:53 Dyrcona I have seen a few attempts at doing something like Kickstarter for enhancements and development of FOSS, but most have failed.
16:57 oleonard I would think if a FOSS project had the critical mass to fund something they would also have the infrastructure to get the word out on their own.
16:57 oleonard Maybe it's the handling-the-money part that's the hard thing
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17:44 maximep indiegogo would be way better than kickstarter for open source
17:44 maximep as it's more international
17:45 maximep and you can get the money faster
17:45 maximep and iirc you can set it to have the money even if you dont reach the goal
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17:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #31 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:54 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_7593' into 3.14-master <[…]2cba9322bdba0dbac> / Bug 7593: Fix unit tests <[…]14df0bf19cbe0f82b>
18:19 mtompset anyone familiar with simplesamlphp?
18:25 rambutan maximep et al: the reprap people were talking about flattr just now.
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18:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #31: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/31/
18:33 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 7593: Fix unit tests
18:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7593 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , merging bib records loses connection to order line
18:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #1172 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1164 8 days 4 hr ago)
18:40 mtompset How long does a build normally take?
18:41 jcamins An hour?
18:41 wahanui i guess an hour is over, what does this do: find /sbin/init    ?
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18:49 maximep rambutan: isn't flattr more like tipping a blog or something you like ? I guess it can be used as a form of donation
18:49 maximep while indiegogo has goals, prizes for different donations, etc
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19:21 oleonard tcohen: Did you see Bug 10178?
19:21 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10178 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Passed QA , Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21
19:21 tcohen heh, no
19:21 tcohen duplicate maybe
19:21 oleonard Double-check, but I think it is.
19:22 tcohen i swear i searched typo on bz
19:22 oleonard I searched for 008 on Bugzilla and got Bug 8 :)
19:22 huginn Bug[…]show_bug.cgi?id=8 normal, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, TransferLog ErrorLog apache parameters
19:22 tcohen that was my first search actually
19:23 oleonard I just recently realized you can do a search like "summary:008" and have it just search the summary field.
19:24 oleonard Maybe I should have known that for a while
19:24 tcohen confirmed duplicate
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19:30 magnuse to find 008 you can search for "008" :-)
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19:34 rangi[…]sy-ab&​​.12954.​j0j1.31.0...0.0...1c.1.12.psy-ab.v9zLbji-m7​c&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46471029,d​.ZG4&fp=fd20c68869dd0a3b&biw=1276&bih=902
19:34 cait morning rangi
19:34 tcohen hi rangi
19:34 rangi its only just started crawling, but that should become more useful over time
19:34 rangi morning
19:35 * jcamins realizes something kind of cool: the offline circ worked *even though I'm not on a branch that includes the code*.
19:35 rangi[…]  too when it fetches the new robots.txt
19:36 rangi that is kinda cool!
19:36 jcamins Now to make it do more useful things than give me patron information.
19:37 rangi :)
19:37 jcamins Things like, tell me if a patron is blocked.
19:38 jcamins We have a JS function called "validate1"?!?
19:39 cait ?
19:39 cait i think that's probably not the most weird thing we have
19:39 jcamins Hehe.
19:39 jcamins Probably not.
19:39 cait as long as it acutally validates something
19:39 rangi 1
19:39 rangi i hope
19:40 rangi it should validate precisely 1 thing :)
19:40 tcohen "Modified stereographic for Alaska"? C'mon
19:40 maximep Module::Bundled::Files is required to run tests. Should stuff required for tests be required in the koha deps ?
19:41 jcamins Did I push that?
19:41 maximep probably not the only one
19:41 jcamins I think I pushed that. How did I miss that name?
19:41 cait tcohen: translating? ;)
19:41 jcamins maximep: it is required only for db_dependent, right?
19:41 rangi yeah its for the plugins
19:41 maximep t/00-load.t
19:41 drojf evening
19:42 rangi right should fix t/00-load.t to ignore it i think
19:42 tcohen yes cait, i can't belive there's such an specific value for 008
19:42 rangi and/or make it required .. its not really tho, its only if you want to use the plugin thingy (not the cataloguing plugins)
19:42 cait tcohen: have you found manned spaceship yet? :)
19:43 cait it's somewhere in the specifics for maps too...
19:43 maximep but won't the plugins tests fail in that case ? or are the test checking if plugins are enabled
19:43 tcohen OMG, not yet
19:43 jcamins 00-load.t? Hm.
19:43 maximep sry for asking all those questions :p
19:43 maximep were working on adding tests for some stuff
19:44 cait tcohen: probably not in the new plugins, but I remember translating thatin the past
19:45 tcohen cait: in acq, lines stands for credit lines?
19:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1172: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1172/
19:45 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 7593: Fix unit tests
19:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7593 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , merging bib records loses connection to order line
19:46 jcamins Hmmm.
19:46 cait tcohen: hm maybe more order line
19:46 cait but only a guess
19:46 cait you know order lines as single orders in a basket
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19:49 jcamins Okay... now I'm confused.
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19:49 tcohen yes, it refers to the lines (items) in an order
19:49 jcamins Patrons can be restricted (i.e. debarred), in which case the message is "Patron is restricted."
19:50 jcamins Patrons can also be temporarily restricted (i.e. huh?), in which case the message is "Patron is temporarily restricted."
19:50 jcamins Presumably that latter is the date stored in debarred.
19:50 cait hm makes sense so far
19:50 tcohen debarred == permanently restricted == freezed
19:51 jcamins cait: good. Now's where I get confused.
19:51 tcohen temporarily is for fines in days suspensions
19:51 jcamins How can you be permanently restricted if there's no longer a flag for it?
19:51 cait there is
19:51 cait you don't have to give a date i think
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19:52 cait yep i just tested it
19:52 jcamins Oh, now I see.
19:52 cait you don't have to
19:52 cait give a date
19:52 jcamins If the date is 9999-12-31 that is equivalent to "yes."
19:53 * tcohen thinks suspensions/restrictions should be first-class citizens (i.e. have its own class and table)
19:54 jcamins Magic numbers are EVIL!
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19:59 jcamins Why are all my ints quoted in this JSON?
20:00 oleonard If I had a nickel for every time I asked myself that...
20:01 * cait puts the cookie jar in the middle of #koha
20:01 cait brb
20:02 jcamins Hm. Slight problem with the manifest.
20:04 tcohen could anyone tell me what Masses stand for in 008?
20:04 cait hm i think it's music
20:05 tcohen like marches?
20:05 cait i worked with the german marc21 translation for that
20:05 jcamins I think like church.
20:05 cait had the plugin xml open and checked which position and material
20:05 cait jcamins: yeah like that, but it belongs to the music material
20:05 cait s
20:06 oleonard Bye #koha
20:06 jcamins cait: right, a mass is a musical church service.
20:06 jcamins :)
20:06 cait oh right sorry
20:08 tcohen and how would u call it in spanish jcamins? :-P
20:09 jcamins Okay... is there a syspref called MaxFine?
20:10 jcamins There is, and it has nothing to do with maxoutstanding, which is what I wanted.
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20:26 magnuse RFPs--
20:27 jcamins RFPs--
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20:28 cait good night all
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20:30 tcohen bye cait
20:35 tcohen jcamins, what's the difference between 'Map series' and 'Map serial'?
20:35 maximep is mibbit banned on oftc ?
20:36 tcohen usually maximep
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20:37 mtompset Hey. One less error. YAY! :)
20:38 jcamins tcohen: a map series is a set of distinct maps issued to be used together.
20:38 jcamins A map serial is a map that is issued in parts.
20:38 jcamins (in an ongoing fashion)
20:40 bag heya magnuse
20:40 wahanui magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
20:41 fcapovilla khall: I'm looking at bug 9394. It seems that some templates modifications that are needed for this patch to pass QA are in another bug, bug 7710...
20:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9394 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Use reserve_id where possible
20:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , multiple holds per title
20:43 tcohen thanks jcamins, clearly understood!
20:46 * jcamins tests redownloading an entire database on an unreliable wifi connection.
20:47 jcamins 234983 / 5000
20:47 wahanui 46.9966
20:47 jcamins It takes a while.
20:50 drojf 47 days? :)
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20:50 jcamins No, 47 blocks, at ~ 7s/block.
20:50 jcamins 47*7
20:50 jcamins wahanui: 47 * 7
20:50 wahanui 329
20:51 jcamins Five and a half minutes.
20:51 drojf ah ok, that is not really long:)
20:52 jcamins Not compared to other things, no.
20:56 jcamins I really don't want to join biblioitems just for itemtype.
20:57 jcamins Especially since it'll just be the fallback option in a COALESCE.
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21:09 jcamins Now... how do I get UTF-8 out of JSON?
21:10 jcamins Hm.
21:10 jcamins I'm getting UTF-8.
21:10 rangi whats jenkins problem now
21:10 rangi oh same one
21:11 jcamins rangi: yeah, I'm not sure if I'm going to revert or not.
21:12 rangi my current fave opac
21:12 rangi
21:13 jcamins Wow, they added a lot of content on the sidebar!
21:13 wizzyrea those are some massive book covers
21:13 rangi yeah those are from librarything
21:13 wizzyrea but that is a lovely looking library
21:14 rangi good links on the side, nice banner at the top
21:14 maximep the broken image below the banner isn't nice :P
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21:16 jcamins Okay... how do I set the charset?
21:17 jcamins Found it. -charset => 'utf-8'
21:17 rangi for ? yep
21:18 * jcamins redownloads the entire database.
21:23 jcamins And the encoding is still wrong.
21:23 magnuse hiya bag
21:23 * magnuse is not really here
21:23 bag heh
21:24 gmcharlt and yet the absent speak ;)
21:24 jcamins Okay, better.
21:24 jcamins Encoding is right, content-type is wrong.
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21:53 gml Hi everyone
21:53 gml After testing authorities query (, there are some entries which cannot be found in web GUI. how can I correct this?
21:53 gml Those were loaded by using, then I applied and restart zebra and zebraqueue services.
21:53 gml I also verified by looking directly in auth_header table that registers were created.  (invoked URL: /cgi-bin/koha/authorities/auth_finder.p​l?authtypecode=PERSO_NAME&index=tag_100​_subfield_a_633164_506494&value_main= )
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22:06 gml BTW, mibbit is banning and I couldn't access this chatroom in the usual way (for me).
22:18 druthb gml: looks like the other way 'round...mibbit's ip has gotten the banhammer from OFTC.
22:43 trea koha irc logs down?
22:43 gml After testing authorities query (, there are some entries which cannot be found in web GUI. how can I correct this?
22:43 gml Those were loaded by using, then I applied and restart zebra and zebraqueue services.
22:43 gml I also verified by looking directly in auth_header table that registers were created.  (invoked URL: /cgi-bin/koha/authorities/auth_finder.p​l?authtypecode=PERSO_NAME&index=tag_100​_subfield_a_633164_506494&value_main= )
22:44 gml thx beforehand
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23:46 bag trea I was using them yesterday
23:46 bag logs?
23:46 wahanui i heard logs was
23:47 trea ah k. looks like my bookmarks are out of date
23:47 bag ah that's it :D
23:48 trea @bag++
23:48 huginn trea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
23:48 trea bag++
23:48 trea oh huginn, you comedian.
23:48 bag HA RDA is ready huginn
23:48 trea that's a great one dcook
23:49 dcook trea: I hadn't bothered because I'm not much for pop FB stuff, but yep. Pretty darned great :D
23:49 trea i hope someone else makes such great space vids after Chris returns to earth.
23:49 trea iirc his mission ends soon
23:49 dcook Already has :/
23:49 trea bah
23:50 dcook Yesterday or the day before I think
23:50 dcook Or possibly today...
23:50 dcook Living in the future is weird :S
23:50 trea tell me about it
23:51 trea but you get two birthdays, so that's pretty rad. :D
23:51 dcook lol
23:51 dcook I never thought of that
23:51 bag today is trea's birthday here
23:51 bag I guess it's over for him there
23:51 trea oh ya. that reminds me. i need to call my nephew and wish him happy bday. his is today.
23:52 bag or tomorrow?
23:52 wahanui well, tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today.
23:52 trea it's the same day as mine
23:52 trea :D
23:52 bag :D
23:52 dcook Nice!
23:53 dcook Happy birthday, btw!
23:53 dcook Or belated birthday as it were
23:54 trea ty ty
23:57 * dcook really wants to be in Québec for his birthday one day...
23:58 dcook As far as I know, June 24th is only a holiday in Québec. Something I only learned about in recent years. As a child, I noticed the name of the day on the calendar, but nothing is celebrated in the rest of Canada on that day.
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