IRC log for #koha, 2013-05-07

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00:00 dcook As for the short stories...I don't think I've read any except Minority Report
00:00 dcook Also...not a big fan of Ubik :p
00:00 dcook The Man in the High Castle though...
00:01 dcook I wonder if the first Matrix film would even exist if it weren't for PKD
00:01 dcook </rant>
00:01 cjh I started by picking  up a copy of "Human is?" which is a collection of his short stories, the goal to read 'all' his books still continues.
00:01 dcook :D
00:01 cjh havent read Ubik, I loved electric sheep :)
00:01 dcook Mmm, same
00:02 dcook Fortunately, I got to read it in a class where we read the book then watched Blade Runner and chatted about it for hours
00:02 cjh IIRC quite a few of his short stories are on project gutenberg
00:02 dcook Oooh..
00:02 cjh
00:03 cjh beyond lies the wub was his first published, and it is still quite fun :)
00:04 cjh for me it is probably the most memorable
00:04 dcook I'll have to give it a read :)
00:05 dcook Just picked up Alex Garland's The Beach, so I might have to re-visit PKD for a catch up when I'm done
00:08 * cjh adds The Beach to goodreads list
00:09 dcook Just added Human Is? :D
00:09 cjh :)
00:09 dcook What's the book at #1 on the list?
00:09 dcook Dune, lol
00:10 dcook Still need to read 1Q84...
00:10 dcook I'm only about 100 pages in..
00:10 dcook Not sure that I'm digging Murakami, but willing to give him a chance
00:11 jcamins I love Dune.
00:12 cjh I seem to be failing to find their most popular list, I can only find it by month or year.
00:12 cjh jcamins: did you read any of the later books in the series?
00:12 jcamins cjh: all the ones written by Frank Herbert, and a few by his successors.
00:12 cjh xD
00:12 jcamins It was painful.
00:13 jcamins I kept on telling myself "surely the next one will be good."
00:13 jcamins (hint: no)
00:13 dcook hehe
00:13 dcook Yeah, I had a middle school friend who read a few by the successors. I think I would stop after the originals
00:13 cjh jcamins: so none compare to the first?
00:13 jcamins cjh: nope.
00:14 cjh I really want to try finish the 3rd and 4th, but it is starting to feel like a chore so they may end up on the 'some day' (hint: never) list.
00:16 wizzyrea ... a untarred folder owned by koha in / causes an upgrade.
00:16 jcamins I didn't like Speaker for the Dead, either.
00:17 wizzyrea heh yea.
00:17 cjh there is an Ender's game movie coming out soon, have to try read the book before then :p
00:17 jcamins I loved Ender's Game.
00:18 dcook So good
00:19 dcook Loved Ender's Game as well, although never read any sequels
00:19 jcamins I read all the sequels to Ender's Game as well.
00:19 wizzyrea trea is a fan of Ender's Game too
00:19 jcamins This is a theme with me.
00:19 cjh trea++
00:20 jcamins I will slog through excessive numbers of sequels to my favorite books, and I am disappointed, every time.
00:20 jcamins Eventually I give up.
00:20 dcook hehe
00:20 jcamins Like Wheel of Time.
00:20 dcook What's the definition of insanity again..
00:20 jcamins But that took, what, 30k pages?
00:21 jcamins Okay, only 7715 pages.
00:22 jcamins Or 2.84 million words.
00:22 jcamins That's impressive.
00:23 dcook That's a lot of book
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00:25 jcamins It sure is. I'd love to know how many words/pages I've read in my life, but I can't even keep track of how much I read this year.
00:25 dcook jcamins: Do you use Goodreads?
00:25 dcook While I'm sure I've missed some books that I've read, I was amazed at how many from my past I was able to suddenly remember (and then track)
00:26 jcamins I do not.
00:26 jcamins Maybe I should try.
00:26 jcamins I have an account.
00:27 jcamins I think.
00:27 jcamins Maybe not.
00:27 dcook I've fallen behind on my use of it over the past few months, but it's pretty handy
00:28 jcamins What if I don't want to rate, just check off?
00:28 dcook Yep. That works
00:28 dcook You can do "read", "reading", "want to read"
00:28 jcamins Hm.
00:28 dcook I only occasionally rate or review
00:29 dcook I think rating can sometimes make the process faster though
00:29 dcook Like, you have to choose the "read" options from a list
00:29 dcook But if you rank, it assumes you've read it, and you can go to the next item in a list
00:29 dcook one less click ;)
00:29 dcook I find it useful for little notes as well
00:30 jcamins Meh. I'll rate.
00:30 dcook For instance, I borrowed 1Q84 fromt he public library
00:30 dcook back in Vancouver
00:30 dcook Only read 106 pages before I had to take it back
00:30 cjh jcamins: did you not like the later wheel of time books? :o
00:30 jcamins Wait... this interface is different here.
00:30 dcook But I left a little note in Goodreads telling me the page I'm on for when I finally get it from the next library
00:30 jcamins cjh: I got bored by the end.
00:30 cjh I have only read up to book 5 or so, planning to try read through them again 'some day'
00:31 jcamins He realized that he hadn't killed off enough of the Forsaken, and it became silly.
00:31 jcamins Heh. I've read just about all the children's historical fiction.
00:32 cjh heh
00:32 dcook hehe
00:32 jcamins Johnny Tremain.
00:32 jcamins I was traumatized by that book.
00:35 jcamins Wow.
00:35 jcamins I read a lot of these books.
00:36 * dcook thinks jcamins should track all his reads then share his url ;)
00:36 jcamins I think I'm going to run out of energy by the time I get to the end of "Best Children's Historical Fiction."
00:36 dcook I was just saying that the more people take up Goodreads and the more they rate/mark books, the more utility the site has for the individual
00:37 dcook Turn it into a part of the nightly routine? ;)
00:40 jcamins A lot of these titles are familiar, but I don't remember if I read them.
00:40 jcamins Probably I did.
00:41 jcamins So this list is going to woefully incomplete.
00:44 dcook Iterative listing?
00:44 dcook I know that my list is incomplete as well, but I plan to revisit it again at some point
00:45 jcamins Yeah, that's my plan.
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01:02 druthb Meeting in an hour?
01:03 jcamins Wait, there's a meeting?
01:03 druthb mhm
01:04 druthb looks like, anyway.
01:04 jcamins Huh.
01:05 dcook Really?
01:05 dcook Huh, it is May after all..
01:06 cjh oh wow, there is an irc meeting soon :)
01:07 druthb I'll be back shortly.
02:00 BobB hello
02:00 jcamins Looks like it's time for a meeting.
02:01 BobB yep
02:01 * druthb waves to BobB
02:01 jcamins I will not be chairing as -- other than when I'm talking -- I will be putting away cookies.
02:01 * BobB smiles and waves back
02:01 druthb not it!
02:01 jwagner There hasn't been any agenda linked from the wiki page. Is this really the right time?
02:02 BobB Hi Jane.  This time is in my diary
02:02 wizzyrea 7 may 2 utc
02:02 wizzyrea tomorrow for us I think bobb
02:02 jcamins[…]eting,_7_May_2013
02:02 BobB Oh.  Big oops!
02:03 jcamins That is right now.
02:03 jwagner I was looking at
02:03 BobB Oh.  Not big oops.
02:03 jcamins Fine, I'll take out the cookies and I'll chair.
02:03 wizzyrea oh, no, bobb I'm the dumb one
02:03 jcamins Warning: I want to go to bed in twenty minutes.
02:03 BobB :)
02:03 wizzyrea I'll chair if you want
02:03 jcamins Yes please. :)
02:04 BobB wizzyrea +1
02:04 BobB RM should not have to chair
02:04 jcamins Also, the cookies aren't done yet.
02:04 wizzyrea if someone will remind me how to work the bot
02:04 BobB burnt cookies -1
02:04 jwagner jcamins, did you make enough for EVERYONE?
02:04 jcamins I think it's: #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013
02:04 wizzyrea #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013
02:05 huginn` Meeting started Tue May  7 02:04:54 2013 UTC.  The chair is wizzyrea. Information about MeetBot at
02:05 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
02:05 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013)
02:05 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'koha_general_irc_meeting__7_may_2013'
02:05 wizzyrea there we go, please introduce yourselves using #info
02:05 jcamins #topic Introductions
02:05 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
02:05 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, TM 3.12
02:05 jcamins #info jcamins = Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services; RM for 3.12
02:05 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT, NZ
02:05 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
02:05 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia
02:05 trea #info Thatcher Rea, ByWater Solutions
02:06 mtj #info Mason James, NZ
02:06 wizzyrea anyone else?
02:06 * mtj waves to all
02:06 BobB hi mtj
02:06 mtj ooh, could be a quicky
02:06 wizzyrea #topic Announcements
02:06 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013)
02:06 wizzyrea does anyone have any?
02:07 wizzyrea going once
02:07 wizzyrea going twice
02:07 wizzyrea Right
02:07 wizzyrea #Discussion on candidates to be the 3.14 Translation Manager
02:07 wizzyrea #topic Discussion on candidates to be the 3.14 Translation Manager
02:07 Topic for #koha is now Discussion on candidates to be the 3.14 Translation Manager (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013)
02:07 jcamins The only person who put a name forward was Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel (bgkriegel).
02:07 wizzyrea Right, do we have any candidates?
02:08 jcamins #link[…]ki/Roles_for_3.14
02:08 wizzyrea bgkriegel, about?
02:08 druthb bgkriegel++
02:08 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ
02:08 wizzyrea I feel weird having a vote to elect him when he's not around
02:08 mtj #info ->[…]eting,_7_May_2013
02:08 BobB We could elect him subject to his acceptance
02:08 wizzyrea There we go I like that
02:09 druthb BobB++
02:09 jcamins wizzyrea: he added himself to the docket and sent an e-mail outlining his platform, so I think we can move forward.
02:09 wizzyrea Ok, all in favor of electing bgkriegel (Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel) TM for 3.14 subject to his acceptance of the role, please +1
02:09 jcamins +1
02:09 wizzyrea +1
02:09 druthb +1
02:09 eythian +1
02:10 BobB +1
02:10 * druthb presses the "easy" button.
02:10 * wizzyrea offhandedly wonders if we need to define the corpus necessary to create a quorum
02:10 wizzyrea :P
02:10 wizzyrea because that's not a lot of people and this meeting was not well advertised.
02:11 wizzyrea HOWEVER. I think it doesn't matter for this particular vote.
02:11 jcamins Agreed.
02:11 wizzyrea #decided Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel elected as 3.14 Translation Manager
02:11 wizzyrea Right, so updates
02:12 BobB we are eight (plus Wahanui) I reckon that's a quorum
02:12 wizzyrea #topic Updates on currently maintained releases
02:12 Topic for #koha is now Updates on currently maintained releases (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013)
02:12 BobB #info Formal thanks to Ruth for excellent work as outgoing Koha Translation Manager
02:12 wizzyrea cjh, do you have anything to note regarding 3.8?
02:12 wizzyrea (if you're about)
02:12 cjh #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT, NZ
02:12 cjh wizzyrea: sorry, was distracted. 3.8 isnt mine yet afaik.
02:13 wizzyrea k, and rangi is not here so - on to the 3.12 updates
02:13 wizzyrea jcamins?
02:13 wahanui somebody said jcamins was brilliant
02:13 jcamins #info Koha 3.12.0 will be released on or about May 22.
02:13 jcamins #info Translation updates will be pulled from Pootle on or about May 19, so get your translations finished before then.
02:14 wizzyrea how are you feeling generally about 3.12
02:14 wizzyrea ?
02:14 jcamins #info As of beta3, Koha 3.12 had 21 features, 159 enhancements and 399 bugfixes
02:14 jcamins Since then I have pushed several more bugfixes, with more yet to come.
02:15 BobB Wow, that's huge
02:15 cjh awesome work everyone
02:15 wizzyrea yep, jcamins++
02:15 cjh 399 bugfixes is impressive
02:15 wizzyrea and everybody
02:15 wahanui everybody is so enthusiastic today :)
02:15 jcamins #info I plan on releasing one more beta and at least one Release Candidate prior to May 22, subject to the number of applicable bugfixes that are written, signed off, and passed QA.
02:16 jcamins Any bugfixes that do not make any string changes are candidates for 3.12.0, though obviously I will not push anything that seems dangerous.
02:16 jcamins Anything that I decline to push to 3.12 will be bumped back to 3.14 for gmcharlt to push to master.
02:16 jcamins And I think that's about it.
02:17 jcamins 3.12 seems pretty stable, but there are lots of bugs that could use fixing, and there is a desperate need for more testing.
02:17 jcamins #todo Test all the things!
02:17 jcamins No, that's wrong.
02:17 jcamins #action Test all the things!
02:17 jcamins Any questions?
02:18 wizzyrea are there specific areas that you feel ought to be focussed on?
02:18 wizzyrea in terms of testing?
02:18 jcamins Hmmm...
02:18 wizzyrea areas with massive change that really need some going over?
02:19 jcamins I'd love to see more testing in search, because of the QueryParser work, and Acquisitions has seen a lot of flux in this latest release cycle as well.
02:19 jcamins And...
02:19 jcamins let me check the release notes.
02:19 wizzyrea 3.10 had a hold queue rewrite that is causing some issues, it might be worth going over reserves
02:19 dcook #info David Cook, Prosentient Systems, Australia
02:20 jcamins Yeah, good call.
02:20 jcamins We're definitely still seeing problems in reserves, so concerted testing would be a very good thing.
02:20 wizzyrea Hourly loans seems decently stable finally
02:21 jcamins Owen has been checking for regressions in the OPAC due to the patron self-registration, but more eyes make all bugs shallow.
02:21 BobB #action Test the Reserves functionality
02:21 wizzyrea (specifically, multi branches with transfers)
02:22 wizzyrea anything else anyone would like to bring up regarding 3.12
02:22 jcamins Before we move on to Kohacon2013, I have something about 3.14.
02:22 wizzyrea Right, then we are in the final countdown to 3.12 - I'm looking forward to it
02:22 wizzyrea
02:23 druthb wizzyrea++
02:23 wizzyrea Thanks jcamins for all of his hard work
02:23 wizzyrea and bravo to everybody for all of their work
02:23 wizzyrea onwards
02:23 jcamins #info If the QA team is interested in working on patches for 3.14, that would not be a problem for the 3.12 release. Just set the target release version to 3.14 and get to QAing!
02:23 wizzyrea #topic Kohacon2013
02:23 Topic for #koha is now Kohacon2013 (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013)
02:23 wizzyrea is anyone here who can give an update?
02:24 wizzyrea last I heard things were ticking along nicely
02:24 wizzyrea right then
02:24 BobB Is there a deadline for booking rooms, to help get the free A-V etc?
02:25 wizzyrea I would pose that to the list bobb, none of the kohacon people seem to be here
02:25 BobB cool, thx
02:25 dcook Mmm, good question
02:26 * dcook still has to book flights/rooms...
02:26 wizzyrea #topic Vote on proposal to increment major version number for every feature release after 3.14 Pi
02:26 Topic for #koha is now Vote on proposal to increment major version number for every feature release after 3.14 Pi (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, 7 May 2013)
02:26 BobB dcook QF has a sale on - get cracking
02:26 wizzyrea I'm not certain I feel comfortable voting on this with so few
02:26 dcook BobB: I think I'll be going AC but thanks :)
02:26 BobB :)
02:26 jcamins wizzyrea: especially since we're all just going to abstain?
02:27 jcamins Yeah...
02:27 dcook wizzyrea: Agreed
02:28 wizzyrea Can we agree to postpone this question to the next meeting, or set up an alternative voting mechanism
02:28 wizzyrea ?
02:28 jcamins +1
02:28 BobB postpone to next meeting +1
02:28 jwagner +1
02:28 dcook +1
02:28 druthb +1
02:29 wizzyrea anyone else?
02:29 mtj erm, +1 :)
02:29 wizzyrea lol.
02:30 wizzyrea #decided we will postpone the vote regarding numbering schemes to the next meeting, which will be better advertised.
02:30 wizzyrea next up - things from last meeting
02:30 mtj #agreed we will postpone the vote regarding numbering schemes to the next meeting, which will be better advertised.
02:31 mtj (meetbot command is #agreed)
02:31 jcamins I don't see any actions for last meeting.
02:31 wizzyrea yep, I'm not seeing much of anything there really
02:31 jcamins *from
02:32 wizzyrea so time to set the time for the next meeting
02:32 mtj ah, #agreed only works for chair… :/
02:33 * BobB didn't know that
02:33 jcamins First Wednesday at... 18:00 UTC?
02:34 wizzyrea it's going to be June 5, 1800 UTC? is my math
02:34 jcamins 6 June 2013, 18:00 UTC
02:34 wizzyrea 6 june even.
02:34 jcamins 5 June, yes.
02:34 jcamins No, you were right.
02:34 jcamins My left hand was a key over.
02:34 wizzyrea right, next meeting is at 1800 UTC 5 june
02:35 wizzyrea anything else?
02:35 wahanui anything else is a guess
02:35 wizzyrea #agreed we will postpone the vote regarding numbering schemes to the next meeting, which will be better advertised.
02:35 BobB err, that will be 4am in Sydney - I reckon I'll be an apology
02:35 wizzyrea bobb - if you want, you could leave your apology with your vote on the wiki
02:36 wizzyrea that seems fair
02:36 jcamins BobB: no worries, I probably will be too.
02:36 jcamins And it'll be the middle of the day here.
02:36 BobB :)
02:37 wizzyrea okie dokie
02:37 wizzyrea well I thank you all for your participation in today's gathering of community minded people
02:37 mtj #info next meeting is at 1800 UTC 5 june
02:38 wizzyrea Minutes will be available on the wiki
02:38 wizzyrea have a lovely rest of your day/night
02:38 wizzyrea #endmeeting
02:38 mtj ...and thank *you* for chairing wizzyrea ++
02:38 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software Next general IRC meeting 7 May 2013 at 02:00 UTC
02:38 huginn` Meeting ended Tue May  7 02:38:07 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)
02:38 huginn` Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-07-02.04.html
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02:38 BobB Thanks wizzyrea, well done
02:38 jcamins wizzyrea: bad news.
02:38 wahanui i guess bad news is that you're probably royally screwed
02:38 BobB Thanks everyone
02:38 jcamins No.
02:38 jcamins The bad news is that I'm going to demand that wizzyrea chair every meeting I attend.
02:38 jwagner Got a question for the New Zealanders on the list....
02:38 wizzyrea bad news.
02:38 wahanui bad news is that you're probably royally screwed
02:38 wizzyrea lol.
02:38 jwagner Is January still spring, or is that considered summer, esp in South Island?
02:39 trea January is summer.
02:39 wizzyrea lateish summer
02:39 mtj bad news is
02:39 BobB jwagner January is a warm as it gets in NZ.  Mind you, in south Island, that still may not be very warm
02:39 jwagner OK, thanks
02:40 eythian no, late jan, early feb is the warmest. Up to about 35° in the warmer parts down south
02:41 eythian jan itself can be a bit temperamental.
02:41 wizzyrea eythian would know, he's from there.
02:41 BobB ..on a good day!  :)
02:41 jwagner Looking at possibly December or January -- which is likeliest to have the best weather?
02:41 eythian statistically, most likely to be January.
02:42 BobB statistically, you are likely to be there on the wrong day :)
02:42 jwagner OK, will factor that in. Thanks
02:42 * wizzyrea expects next summer will be miseralble, because this one was just so great
02:42 jwagner probably....
02:43 eythian that's not unreasonable
02:44 wizzyrea we topped 30 I think two days here?
02:44 wizzyrea the rest somewhere around 20-25
02:44 eythian yeah
02:45 wizzyrea and like, two months with no measurable rain, that apparently never ever ever happens
02:45 eythian that's why they call it a drought
02:45 wizzyrea har de har
02:46 eythian[…]xtape-mixes-again <-- wizzyrea et al
02:48 trea well, that's certainly something
02:48 jwagner good night everyone....
02:49 wizzyrea good night jwagner
02:50 wizzyrea hey that's preety neat actually
02:50 wizzyrea preety
02:50 wizzyrea ^ you see my kansas thar
02:50 eythian s/neat/mouf/ ?
02:51 wizzyrea kek
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04:16 eythian I really need a marccat and marcgrep for searching through and displaying specific tags in marc files when analysing data.
04:16 eythian wahanui: cait
04:16 wahanui cait is qam, not your secretary
04:16 eythian wahanui: cait
04:16 wahanui go back to bed, cait.
04:17 cait i can't
04:17 cait they make noise outside taking the garbage - and it's 6
04:17 eythian someone stole your bed?
04:17 eythian that's pretty mean
04:17 eythian ah
04:17 mtompset Did I miss the meeting?
04:17 eythian mtompset: yes
04:18 cait did you decide to rewrite koha in java?
04:18 cait or something else severe or crazy?
04:18 eythian cait: no, INTERCAL.
04:18 cait ah, no problem then
04:19 mtompset Oh well. I was in another meeting. Data conversion. :)
04:21 * wizzyrea giggles at the bed thiefs.
04:21 wizzyrea thieves*
04:21 wizzyrea command of english, I has it.
04:23 eythian those workers of ill!
04:25 cait is it me being tired or you 2 being silly?
04:26 eythian yep.
04:30 cait ah ok
04:31 cait yuo had a short meeting
04:31 cait bgkriegel++
04:33 * dcook wonders when it becam 2:33pm...
04:35 mtompset It hasn't, depending on your time zone. :P
04:36 mtompset It's 12:35AM (just after midnight). :)
04:36 mtompset And seeing as my library colleague is likely on lunch, I think I'll go to bed now.
04:36 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone.
05:49 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
05:49 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 19.0°C (3:30 PM EST on May 07, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
05:49 dcook Lies. The office feels freezing...
06:04 dcook If anyone is around, any advice on adding columns to the database?
06:04 * dcook thinks that looking through every sub that references a table (z3950servers) is awfully tiresome, but perhaps necessary
06:08 * magnuse waves
06:08 dcook hey magnuse :)
06:09 magnuse g'day mate!
06:09 magnuse @wunder boo
06:09 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 6.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on May 07, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
06:09 dcook Perhaps a bit chillier than here. Maybe I should stop whingeing
06:10 magnuse hehe
06:10 magnuse nah, everything is relative
06:10 cait pragmatic_librarians++
06:10 magnuse relatively speaking
06:10 magnuse kia ora cait!
06:11 cait hi magnuse:)
06:11 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:11 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 13.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on May 07, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
06:11 magnuse bgkriegel++
06:11 magnuse pragmatic librarians?
06:14 * dcook thinks that a lot of might be deprecated...
06:16 cait magnuse: in general :)
06:16 magnuse cait: yay!
06:19 * cait starts retesting  bug 10185
06:19 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10185 blocker, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , remove all reserves
06:33 magnuse cait++
06:34 cait so far it looks good
06:34 cait making another test run now with data in old_reserves
06:34 alex_a bonjour
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06:35 reiveune hello
06:35 dcook salut alex_a,reiveune
06:38 magnuse bonjour alex_a reiveune
06:42 alex_a bonjour magnuse dcook
06:42 alex_a and cait
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06:50 jajm hello
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07:38 huginn` GERMS!!!!
07:38 wahanui it has been said that germs is
07:38 kf wahanui botsnack germs
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08:49 zorky Hello, anyone here who can help me with a problem regarding koha?
08:50 kf ask your question - if someone can help they will speak up
08:50 kf but it's still kind of a quiet time of the day for koha
08:51 zorky i need to change the language from english to danish. but when i followed the guide presented on the danish site for koha. i got errors, and the file that it says it want, dosent exist
08:51 kf add additional languages?
08:51 kf hm i thought i told the bot
08:51 kf additional languages?
08:51 kf languages?
08:51 wahanui languages are just tools, you should pick the right one for the right job
08:51 zorky no , change the english to only danish. so danish is the only language
08:52 kf zorky: give me a minute - I will have to find the link myself hten :)
08:52 amitgupta_ heya kf
08:52 zorky
08:52 zorky there. it's in danish tho
08:52 kf first you need to install the language
08:52 kf that is done on the command line
08:52 kf[…]ANET_staff_client
08:53 kf then there are system preferences for turning on/off languages
08:53 magnuse huh, there is a danish koha website?
08:53 kf opaclanguage language and something named languagechooser or similar
08:53 kf you will find those on the i18n tab in system preferences
08:54 kf but the blog is not wrong about those it seems hm.
08:54 kf what kind of errors do you see? it's possible the po files for danish have problems or are a bit outdated
08:54 zorky after i ran the sudo ./translate install da-DK i got a error
08:54 kf what was the error?
08:54 kf you can use paste?
08:54 kf paste?
08:54 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty!
08:54 zorky 2 sec need to ssh into the computer to ru nthe command again
08:54 kf to show us :)
08:55 kf danish looks pretty well maintained on pootle :)
08:55 kf
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08:56 zorky
08:56 zorky theres the error it gave me after i ran the install command
08:56 kf you have a problem with your environment variables
08:56 magnuse i think someone called Lars Helbo has done a lot of work on it - looks like he is behind the website too
08:56 kf i think i mailed with him in german once
08:57 kf he seemed nice :)
08:57 magnuse :-)
08:57 magnuse the blog posts have dates, but no years...
08:57 kf zorky: i think you might have wrong paths here:
08:57 kf export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
08:57 zorky yeah
08:57 kf it depends how you installed koha, where those files will be
08:57 kf those are the paths for a standard installatin using tarballs
08:57 zorky but instead of the koha-conf.xml i have something else
08:58 kf how did you install koha?
08:58 magnuse zorky: how did you install?
08:59 zorky is the only file in /etc/koha
08:59 kf yes, because your installation is differnt
08:59 zorky magnuse:  gimme a sec
08:59 magnuse ah, that is a package install then
08:59 kf did you use the packages?
08:59 kf magnuse: can yo hint on the right paths for packages?
08:59 magnuse zorky: did you create an instance with koha-create?
09:00 magnuse koha-conf.xml should be in /etc/koha/sites/<instancename>/koha-conf.xml
09:00 magnuse where <instancename> = the name you gave your instance when you ran koha-create
09:01 zorky tbh, i have no idea. i got told to change the language on koha. the guy that installed it are no longer reachable
09:01 magnuse ah, fun
09:02 magnuse does "ls /etc/koha/sites/" give you anything?
09:02 kf guess the question is whatyou have in ..sites then :)
09:02 zorky but i think it might be form a package of some sort
09:02 zorky the ls /etc/koha/sites give me a folder call'd Biblioteket
09:03 magnuse ah, that is your instance then
09:03 magnuse let me find the right incantations for you
09:03 zorky found the correct xml file
09:04 kf zorky: but package installation is good news
09:04 magnuse you have to do:
09:04 magnuse cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/
09:04 zorky so the export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml would be export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/​biblioteket/koha-conf.xml ?
09:04 magnuse sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/demo/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install nb-NO
09:05 kf better change somethings... or you end up with norwegian ;)
09:05 magnuse you have to run the translate script with sudo, so exporting variables as your regular user will not help
09:05 magnuse yeah, use the right language code at the end there
09:05 zorky so doing it like this
09:06 magnuse so this should do it: sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/​Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install da-DK
09:06 zorky •cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/
09:06 zorky •export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/​biblioteket/koha-conf.xml
09:06 zorky •export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
09:06 zorky •sudo ./translate install da-DK
09:06 magnuse no, you have to set KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB in the same command as "sudo translate..."
09:07 kf zorky: fwiw - in the upcoming 3.12 there will be nicer commands for doing it, but when you do as magnuse says it will work fine for you now, we have German isntalled that way
09:08 magnuse and i have norwegian and sewdish installed that way :-)
09:08 zorky i think i might be stupid
09:09 zorky i ran that command magnuse told me to. from the /usr/share/koha/misc/translator and i get this error
09:09 magnuse probably not ;-)
09:09 zorky unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/ line 360.
09:09 zorky unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/ line 360.
09:09 zorky Can't call method "config" on an undefined value at line 48.
09:12 magnuse huh?
09:12 magnuse does /etc/koha/sites/Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml exist?
09:12 zorky yes
09:13 kf hm there are 2 //
09:13 wahanui Hmm.  No matches for that, kf.
09:13 kf t /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/
09:13 kf maybe some typo?
09:13 zorky i copied what magnuse wrote
09:14 zorky sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/​Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install da-DK
09:14 kf maybe kill the trailing /?
09:14 kf not sure
09:14 zorky still same error
09:15 zorky just to be sure. i have to run this command form the translator folder right?
09:15 kf yes
09:15 kf hm magnuse?
09:15 wahanui magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
09:16 zorky can this be something to do with. me trying to use 3.10?
09:17 kf 3.10 should be fine
09:17 kf did you update?
09:17 kf i mean are you only using the newer po files? or is your installation 3.10?
09:17 zorky no, not that i know of
09:17 zorky im using the 3.10 po files
09:17 zorky but there is 4 of them on the translate page
09:17 kf you can see your kohaversion in more > about
09:17 zorky
09:17 kf ideally you should be using th efiles that came with the installation
09:18 kf because they will exactly match your version
09:18 rangi what does ls -l /etc/koha/sites/Biblioteket/koha-conf.xml
09:18 rangi tell you
09:18 zorky -rw-r----- 1 root biblioteket-koha 12125 jan 15 13:53 /etc/koha/sites/biblioteket/koha-conf.xml
09:19 rangi there your problem
09:19 rangi its b
09:19 rangi not B
09:19 kf rangi++ :)
09:19 rangi so try the command magnuse gave you, but with biblioteket
09:19 rangi not Biblioteket
09:20 zorky it's thinking :P
09:20 rangi that means its working
09:20 rangi linux is case sensitive :)
09:20 magnuse yay rangi++
09:20 kf if you want to see what it's thinking add -v next time :)
09:20 zorky yeah i know :P just didn't see the big B :P
09:20 magnuse i saw it and thought it might be up to no good, but then forgot about it again...
09:21 zorky it's done
09:21 zorky
09:22 zorky this is what it said. dunno if thats regarding the danish package?
09:22 rangi yes the translator made a mistake
09:22 zorky so it's nothing to worry about
09:24 magnuse i think it means that one string was skipped
09:24 rangi depends, if it continued on and did the rest then no, if it stopped at that point then yes
09:24 zorky it continued
09:25 magnuse yay
09:25 zorky now, here comes another problem. whenever i connect to the koha site. i type localhost:8001 and login with the credentials i got handed to me. which is the admin user. but i can't find anything resembling some sort of admin interface where i can control anything
09:26 magnuse zorky: would you mind telling us where you are using koha? i'm just curious about koha in the nordic area... :-)
09:26 magnuse zorky: have a look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/biblioteket (eller Biblioteket) - that should show you two different sites
09:26 magnuse one public and one for admin
09:27 kf zorky: the admin interface is also the librarian's interface - so there are only 2 things. opac for the user and staff interface
09:27 zorky It's a independent school that uses it :)
09:27 magnuse ah, cool
09:29 zorky the intranet the admin one?
09:29 magnuse intranet = admin
09:29 magnuse we never settled on one name for that, i think
09:32 zorky so i think i changed it to danish
09:32 zorky but
09:32 zorky half of it seems to be in english
09:33 magnuse that would happen if the translation is not complete
09:35 kf magnuse: hm but it should be if he used the files from pootle
09:35 zorky so the one that the librarian needs to use to lend books. is 8001. and the intranet = admin site is 8000?
09:35 kf zorky: can you check the version for koha installed? in more > about?
09:35 magnuse zorky: that depends on how the installation is set up
09:36 kf zorky: those are the same
09:36 zorky
09:36 kf user = patrons in the library, searching books, placing holds etc.
09:36 zorky ahh
09:36 kf the librarians use the admin, there is only the admin :)
09:36 kf so one is for the library users, one is for the staff users
09:37 zorky shouldn't the interface where i set the language and such. be translated to danish?
09:38 magnuse yup, it should
09:39 zorky it's still in english
09:39 magnuse says the 3.10 translation is complete
09:39 rangi not in 3.10.2 it might not have been
09:39 magnuse yeah, i was just thinking that
09:39 magnuse zorky: is there a language chooser at the bottom of the page?
09:40 magnuse also you have to activate danish if it has not been installed before
09:40 magnuse Home › Administration › System preferences > I18N/L10N
09:40 zorky i activated the danish under more > administration > I18N/L10N
09:41 magnuse ah, ok
09:41 magnuse and did you choose it in the language chooser at the bottom of the page?
09:41 zorky but im using the 3.10 language pack from the translate page. do i need to use 3.2 instead?
09:41 zorky no i didn't`
09:41 rangi where did you put the .po files when you downloaded them?
09:42 zorky into the usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/da-DK
09:42 zorky and
09:42 rangi that wont work
09:43 rangi you need to put them in the misc/translator/po
09:43 zorky ohh
09:43 magnuse /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/
09:43 zorky then is not working then
09:43 zorky all of the 3 files?
09:43 rangi then run your translate install command again
09:43 rangi yes
09:43 kf all 4 even I think
09:44 zorky okay
09:44 zorky so which version of the language packs do i need?
09:44 magnuse no, the instructions here are wrong:
09:44 kf zorky: you want 3.10 - but those will not exactly match your version
09:45 magnuse
09:45 kf because they get updated for each current 3.10.x release and you are a bit behind
09:45 kf they should still be working
09:46 zorky ahh
09:46 zorky so the best i should do is to use the 3.2?
09:46 kf no 3.10
09:46 zorky okay :P
09:46 kf just might be there are stillsome strings missing
09:46 kf 3.2 would be horrible
09:46 kf there were a gazillion changes and additions since then
09:48 zorky ahh
09:50 zorky there is allrdy danish po files in the misc/translator/po folder. do i have to make a da-DK folder to put them in?
09:50 magnuse no, replace the ones that are there
09:51 magnuse all the .po files go in the same folder
09:52 magnuse hm,[…]ANET_staff_client needs to be updated
09:53 kf magnuse: are you volunteering? ;)
09:53 magnuse nope :-)
09:53 magnuse at least not to day
09:54 zorky still in english
09:55 kf it might be the cookie
09:55 kf you deactivated english?
09:55 zorky yes
09:55 kf did you use the language chooser?
09:55 kf to switch to danish before you deactiated it?
09:55 zorky what language chooser?
09:55 wahanui language chooser is really an important element and browser detection not a good way to do it
09:56 kf normally it shows one at the bottom of each page, if you activated it in the i18n tab and when more than one language is active
09:57 magnuse if yo have activated more than one language there is a "bar" at the bootom of every page in the admin that lets you choose you language
09:58 zorky ahh i see it now
09:59 zorky nope. still english when i click on it.. actually. nothing happends except the sites tries to load. and nothing happen
09:59 kf hm
09:59 kf werid
09:59 kf there was no error when using th enw po files, right? when you ran the translation script?
10:00 zorky ohh well. lunch break is coming up. and i have to go right after. i'll hop onto this irc channel tom.. then im gonna take a backup of koha. and reinstall the damn thing.
10:00 zorky sudo KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/​biblioteket/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ perl translate install da-DK
10:00 zorky Warning: unconsistent %s count: (7/6):
10:00 zorky line:   20043
10:00 zorky msgid:  "%s Item type is normally not for loan. %s %s Item is normally not for loan %s(%s)%s. %s Check out anyway? "
10:00 zorky msgstr: "%s Eksemplartypen er normalt ikke til udlån. %s %s Eksemplaret er normalt ikke til udlån %s(%s)%s. Udlåne alligevel? "
10:00 zorky i ran the sudo command and all that. then got this
10:01 kf sometiems a translation error can make the script die
10:01 kf not all tempaltes would be created
10:01 kf and it falls back to english
10:01 kf you might want to look into fixing this error
10:01 zorky ahh
10:01 kf it's just a typo in one of the po files
10:02 zorky i just ran the command with -v at the end. and i got 1 install succesfull. then it moved onto a ton of other lines creating
10:02 zorky it seems to be succesfull
10:02 kf some might have succeded
10:02 kf is youropac danish?
10:02 kf where opac is the other url yougot
10:02 zorky with no errors on the install this time
10:03 zorky still not working.
10:03 zorky ohh well im gonna grap some lunch. will come back tommorrow.
10:03 zorky thanks for all the help :)
10:03 kf good luck
10:09 magnuse kf++
10:09 magnuse rangi++
10:25 gaetan_B does someone know how the transliteration rules in words-icu.xml work and do they do exactly ?
10:26 gaetan_B and *what do they do
10:26 kf magnuse++
10:27 kf gaetan_B: did you see this?[…]of_Arabic_records
10:28 gaetan_B kf: yes, i am actually trying to understand why we do that
10:28 gaetan_B and what does it change
10:28 kf it transliterates
10:28 kf we got rules for example for ue and ü
10:28 gaetan_B one one side we have bah and on the other al bah
10:28 gaetan_B for instance
10:28 kf so when you search for ü you will also get results for ue
10:29 kf because both can be the same
10:29 kf or ß is transliterated to ss - so when searching fuss or fuß you will still get all the same results
10:29 kf you can also use it to define how whitespace and some characters are treated
10:31 kf icu is not koha specific, maybe google?
10:31 gaetan_B ok so if you don't do that, your search won't be very good but that shouldn't be a reason for zebra to crash on some records
10:31 rangi or Ö and oe
10:31 gaetan_B it's ok i understand why it's there now
10:31 kf[…]ransforms/general
10:31 gaetan_B but it doesn't seem to explain my problem
10:32 gaetan_B it's clear now that the problem with these records come from some arabic characters
10:32 gaetan_B but not one specific character
10:32 gaetan_B rather a combination of some in a certain order
10:32 magnuse ooh, that sounds like fun... ;-)
10:33 * gaetan_B really should have learnt arabic maybe
10:33 kf i think karam created that page
10:33 kf maybe he would be able to help
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10:35 * magnuse wanders off to lunch and translating
10:46 kf gaetan_B: does it work when you remove a part of the transliteration rules and reindex? or something like that?
10:46 gaetan_B kf: i was about to try adding some actually
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10:47 gaetan_B removing them doesn't help much
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10:47 drojf hi #koha
10:47 kf oh ok
10:47 kf ask drojf *hide*
10:47 gaetan_B actually we have a few more records that make zebra crash without these rules
10:47 drojf ??
10:47 gaetan_B so maybe we need more for kurdish indeed
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10:47 drojf gaetan_B: zebra fun?
10:47 gaetan_B is Karam around on the channel sometimes or should i rather email him *?
10:48 gaetan_B drojf: precisely :D
10:48 kf i think email woudl work better, but if it's specific to kurdish he might not know
10:49 gaetan_B with a healthy dose of a script i can't really read in there (though i did learn a minimal amount, which right now, turns out to be just enough to understand why we needed these extra rules in words-icu.xml!)
10:49 * drojf takes a look at the log
10:49 gaetan_B he will not know indeed, but what i want to know is whether these extra rules are needed just to make search easier (ie finding both ueber and über) or does zebra fail without them
10:51 drojf gaetan_B: what rules do you have?
10:51 drojf those from the wiki page?
10:51 gaetan_B drojf: yep
10:52 drojf it would probably help if i had learned some arabic ^^
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10:54 gaetan_B drojf: what these rules mean here is that something like "al arabiyah" should be indexed as "arabiyah"
10:55 gaetan_B because in arabic you have to add "al" before nouns quite often
10:55 gaetan_B anyway, i'll send an email to Karam, he probably knows better
10:55 drojf gaetan_B: yeah. regarding your question if it would work without, i suppose it would and the rules are just a plus for certain cases
10:56 drojf i use icu here without any rules so far. but not for arabic yet
10:56 drojf kf: did you put the rules in icu or in the non-icu charmap thing?
10:58 drojf gaetan_B: how does it crash? does zebra crash while indexing? or does the OPAC not work?
10:58 gaetan_B zebra crashes while indexing
10:58 gaetan_B with a pretty obscure message
10:58 gaetan_B "couldn't reach commit" or something
11:00 drojf and without the rules?
11:01 gaetan_B same problem, but 20 more records crash
11:01 gaetan_B so i might need more rules
11:01 gaetan_B or
11:01 gaetan_B it could be completely unrelated
11:02 drojf i don't think it should crash because of missing rules. then again, it's pretty weird you got more crashing without them :)
11:02 gaetan_B yes , but we changed everything that is said we should change on the wiki at the same time
11:03 gaetan_B so it's not necessarily linked to these rules
11:03 gaetan_B now that i know what they do
11:03 gaetan_B i tend to think it's not related
11:04 drojf do you have a test record to play with?
11:07 jcamins I find the way my filters aren't deleting new messages in that conversation disturbing.
11:07 jcamins I had the good sense not to read them, at least.
11:07 drojf poor jcamins
11:07 wahanui will he ever win the cataloguing war?
11:07 drojf hahahah
11:07 jcamins lol
11:07 drojf wahanui++
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11:17 kf gaetan_B: you reindex with -x are you?
11:18 gaetan_B kf: not always why ?
11:18 gaetan_B you think it would make a difference ,
11:18 gaetan_B *?
11:18 kf becasue one of the fields might be too big or something
11:18 kf i would tr y it
11:19 jcamins gaetan_B: do you get an error message?
11:19 gaetan_B jcamins: "previous transaction didn't reach commit", that's it...
11:20 jcamins When you run with several -vs, you don't get "STACK SMASHING DETECTED" or something like that?
11:21 * kf gets the popcorn
11:21 gaetan_B jcamins: we did something like koha_rebuild_zebra -b -v -v --where "biblionumber = 17371"; and i don't think we had that
11:21 jcamins Hmm.
11:22 jcamins In that case it's not the problem I've encountered before, which is incorrect encoding.
11:22 jcamins I think kf's suggestion of trying -x is a good one.
11:23 gaetan_B well, i'll go for lunch now and try it this afternoon then, :)
11:23 jcamins Also, how many records?
11:24 gaetan_B jcamins: total around 40 000, out of which 350 are giving us troubels
11:24 gaetan_B *troubles
11:24 jcamins Oh, wow.
11:25 jcamins I never saw errors on fewer than 400k.
11:33 khall mornin kf, jcamins, et al!
11:34 kf hi khall
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11:39 * magnuse wonders if Viktor's computer might have narcolepsy
11:40 kf lol
11:42 drojf lol
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11:43 * kf hands Viktor coffee
11:44 Viktor Thanks kf :)
11:44 Viktor All well with you?
11:45 kf yeah, busy and well
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11:50 drojf universitywifi--
11:51 Viktor Glad to hear kf
11:52 kf drojf: still? you should switch university... um.
11:53 drojf it's ridiculous. every time i work here the wifi goes down for at least a few minutes around 2pm
11:53 drojf or it goes down a lot :/
11:53 kf everytime you work ther...
11:53 kf Viktor: all wellwith you too?
11:54 drojf kf: you think it's me? :D
11:54 kf well...
11:55 Viktor It is :) kf
11:56 Viktor Question - Is it ok to start translating the staff interface of 3.12?
11:56 jcamins YES!
11:56 jcamins Definitely!
11:56 jcamins Translate away!
11:57 Viktor Thanks jcamins
11:57 jcamins You have until May 19 or so.
11:58 Viktor I'm going to start our translator on the swedish staff interface. But they will not be done by may 19 since it's the entire interface since it's the first time it's translated.
11:58 Viktor I'll post as much as we have (if any) by may 19.
11:59 jcamins Well, make sure you upload what they've finished by then so that some of the Swedish translation can go in. :)
11:59 Viktor Will do.
11:59 kf :)
11:59 Viktor I guess people can still pull the translation from pootle.
11:59 Viktor But 3.14 should come fully translated from start then if we update the new strings next time.
12:00 Viktor Thanks for the help!
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12:17 khall I'm a bit confuzzled. I've created a new field biblio.branchcode ( varchar 10 ), and mapped it to 951$o in the marc editor.  Now, when I edit the record in Koha, and put a value in 951$o I expected it to also put that value in the new field I created, but it doesn't
12:17 jcamins khall: did you map it for all the frameworks?
12:17 khall And yet the existing mapped fields appear to work just fine
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12:18 khall I'm only using the default framework, but I've also tried re-mapping it with the Koha to MARC mapping tool
12:18 jcamins If you mapped it for only some frameworks, you might be inadvertantly using the wrong framework when cataloging.
12:18 jcamins Also, you restarted memcached/Plack?
12:18 khall I'm not running either of those
12:18 khall no apache log output either
12:20 khall though I suspect the edit saves the record via ajax, so I wouldn't see the errors anyway, right?
12:20 kf makes me curious what you are trying to do here
12:20 oleonard Sorry for missing the meeting, #koha.
12:20 kf hi oleonard - no worries, i missed it too
12:20 drojf oh there was a meeting?
12:20 khall I'm trying to add a feature such that a bib record can be 'owned' by a library, and only that library can edit the record
12:20 jcamins oleonard: it was a great meeting. :)
12:20 drojf ah the nightish one
12:21 jcamins khall: you saw...
12:21 oleonard We should elect an official "meeting tomorrow" reminder person.
12:21 jcamins @query mandumah
12:21 huginn` jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply ,'s multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
12:21 jcamins ^^ bug 9055
12:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply ,'s multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
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12:22 oleonard No minutes on the wiki?[…]eting,_7_May_2013
12:22 khall jcamins, not quite the same thing, but interesting none the less!
12:22 magnuse oleonard:
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12:23 khall however, I still have no idea why my mapping isn't working!
12:23 jcamins khall: yeah, I didn't look closely at that, but I know it's related to limiting permissions/visibility to specific libraries, so I wanted to make sure it wasn't a duplicate.
12:23 jcamins Might as well save you the trouble if a patch was already around.
12:23 khall nope!
12:24 khall I think I'll start with a fresh install
12:24 jcamins Does it work if you use the global MARC mapping rather than the in-framework mapping?
12:25 khall it doesn't seem to help, but I did the in-framework first. I'm going to start fresh and do the global first
12:26 drojf after reading the log of the meeting i desire cookies. apart from that… congratulations to bgkriegel!
12:26 magnuse yeah bgkriegel++
12:27 magnuse and the numbering vote was postponed
12:28 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software Next general IRC meeting 5 June 2013 at 18:00 UTC
12:28 drojf great, i will come up with a lot of numbering schemes until then
12:29 oleonard You would think Google Calendar's natural language date parser would understand what "UTC" meant, being a global company and all
12:31 drojf if it is google it probably relies on your personal data to know what time it is in your area
12:31 oleonard If I use "GMT" it works, and correctly calculates it for my time zone.
12:32 drojf can you leave it out? maybe it is the default
12:33 oleonard If I just put in "18:00" Google thinks I mean 6PM in my time zone.
12:34 drojf ah, there is the personal information thingy :P bu you're right, it's weird not to have UTC
12:34 drojf s/bu/but
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12:46 drojf bug 9961 is waiting for qa
12:46 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9961 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Truncation and QueryAutoTruncate not working properly with new QueryParser
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12:50 tcohen What? Its already May 7?
12:51 oleonard It was even May 7 last night tcohen!
12:52 tcohen I missed the meeting!
12:52 khall found my problem. I didn't realize the biblio table fields were hardcoded in _koha_modify_biblio and _koha_add_biblio
12:53 drojf oleonard: i am trying bug 10201. where do i upload the patron image in staff client?
12:53 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10201 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Old OPAC patron update system should be removed
12:53 oleonard drojf: The patron detail page
12:53 oleonard
12:53 drojf ah i found it! thanks
13:02 drojf oleonard: /cgi-bin/koha/ does not do anything for me
13:02 drojf is there an extra syspref for image in opac that i missed?
13:03 oleonard patronimages
13:03 oleonard OPACpatronimages
13:04 drojf ah thanks. i had patronimages and assumed that was all
13:04 drojf i should just have scrolled down :(
13:04 * drojf needs caffeine
13:04 oleonard System preferences are a vast and tangled forest.
13:09 gaetan_B kf: to answer your question more clearly, actually we always index with -x (i wasn't sure because reiveune does this, not me!)
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13:09 reiveune it's true
13:09 wahanui I saw it on Digg!
13:10 reiveune Hi kf :)
13:10 * jcamins laughs hysterically.
13:10 * Dyrcona lols
13:10 kf hi all :)
13:10 jcamins ... discussions moot I think.
13:12 kf khall: don't forget adding it to deletedsmething as well
13:12 kf your new field
13:12 kf or I will fail qa it immediately :P
13:12 khall kf: thanks for the fyi ; )
13:12 * kf remembers now the last time she found out those fields were hardcoded...
13:13 kf we almost always forget the deleted* old_* tables
13:13 magnuse marcmustdie!
13:13 alex_a :)
13:13 alex_a s/must/will/
13:14 magnuse yay!
13:14 magnuse jcamins: unsure how to parse that... is it irony or not?
13:15 jcamins magnuse: irony.
13:15 jcamins Definitely irony.
13:15 jcamins Bibframe... well on its way... RDA...
13:15 * jcamins bursts out into laughter again.
13:15 magnuse well, if you believe the hype...
13:16 magnuse any mention of embedded punctuation makes my brain stop
13:16 kf jcamins: did you take your frog pills today?
13:16 jcamins Hehe.
13:16 jcamins You're telling me you don't find that funny?
13:17 kf just a little worried
13:19 jcamins kf: "Bibframe" and "done" in the same sentence are something like "Overdrive" and "user friendly."
13:29 magnuse hehe
13:33 tcohen fredericd: can we move on with the inclusion of your indexer in Koha?
13:34 tcohen I'd like to work on recovering the daemon from temporal DB connection problems also
13:43 kf tcohen: maybe try emailing him :)
13:44 kf drojf++ for bug 9961
13:44 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9961 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Truncation and QueryAutoTruncate not working properly with new QueryParser
13:46 tcohen thanks kf
13:51 tcohen good evening kf BTW
13:52 kf evening? :)
13:52 tcohen night?
13:52 wahanui night is ¡oh noche amable mas que el aluorada!
13:53 tcohen hmm, i didn't realize it was only 5 hour diff from argentina in konstanz
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14:03 ashimema Any zebra 'experts' in the house?
14:04 ashimema I think i've now got my head around most of it.. but wondered if anyone could explain how the config files relates to the whole thing?
14:07 ashimema To elaborate.. i'm happy with adding fields for searching to both koha and sru.. using the combination of record.abs, bib1.att, and  (or for sru searching).. is a mystery and searching the koha wiki brings up nought.
14:12 tcohen has anyone noticed performance issues with the now() function in MySQL?
14:12 tcohen we are having 20sec updates on the issues table on chekout
14:12 tcohen and cannot figure what the problem is
14:16 kf is that something thatis in normal koha?
14:17 kf i mean a customization or soemthing special?
14:18 kf ashimema: maybe try asking on the mailing list or later
14:18 kf tcohen: guess i just wanted to say this doesn't sound normal
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14:20 tcohen kf, its the MarkIssueReturned function
14:20 ashimema cheers kf.. I'll stick around and see ifanyone picks it up in here in later.. it's not hugely important.. more of an 'interest' question so I wasn't going to pollute the lists with it.
14:20 kf i know at least one of the experts is not back before tomorrow - so maybe try then :)
14:21 ashimema :)
14:23 drojf ashimema: have you seen ?
14:25 ashimema aha.. nice find drojf.. not seen it, will have a read now.
14:26 drojf ashimema: a lot of info on all things zebra is directly on the indexdata website since they are the company behind it. it is not done by koha (in case you didn't know)
14:27 drojf we just use it :)
14:27 drojf and the :) in using zebra is debatable ;)
14:28 ashimema indeed we do..  though i've been getting the feeling for a while now we're in a minority in using it and as such has some of the most competent at turning indexdata's docs into understandable English instead of technobable ;)
14:28 drojf that may be true :)
14:29 kf some ofour catalouging plugins would be really happy about documentation...
14:30 drojf documentation is for the weak :D
14:30 ashimema I've done some documentation for our internal staff regarding it (hence asking the question so I can add ccl into the mix).. was thinking I may also dump that onto the community wiki.. though the community wiki is a tad disorganised so it may never be found there :P
14:31 drojf ashimema: if you link to it from[…]ng_Zebra_indexing i'm sure people will find it
14:32 drojf or even put it there directly
14:32 drojf if appropriate
14:32 ashimema it's actually a bit of a re-write of that page to be honest.. that's where i got allot of the info from in the first place.. that and trial and error.
14:32 ashimema :)
14:33 kf for example I am wondering how this works:
14:33 kf[…]1794674b3e7ee9da7
14:35 magnuse ashimema: feel free to improve the wiki in any way you can :-)
14:35 * magnuse wanders off to make dinner
14:43 ashimema oo. found yet another zebra page on the wiki i wasn't aware of before.. a recent 'quest' to add indexes and document how..:[…]d_new_zebra_index
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14:56 jcamins ashima: we dodn't use
14:57 ashimema i had a feeling that might be the case..
14:57 jcamins maps PQF attributes to friendly strings.
14:57 jcamins I'm trying to get us off CCL, because CCL kills kitens for fun.
14:57 jcamins *kittens
14:57 gmcharlt @quote random
14:57 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #220: "jcamins: Facebook may not like unspecified relationships, but rare books catalogers do!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:41 PM, October 19, 2012)
14:58 druthb gmcharlt++
14:58 ashimema :) jcamins: glad you said that.. it was confusing the life out of me..
14:59 * jcamins leaves again, having imparted "wisdom."
14:59 ashimema cheers jcamins
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15:19 oleonard Why are all my purchase suggestions being saved with someone else's borrowernumber?
15:21 oleonard Oh it must be the anonymous patron!
15:21 oleonard *whew*
15:22 oleonard Next question: If  AnonSuggestions is enabled, but the patron is logged in, shouldn't the suggestion be connected to their account? That seems like a bug to me.
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15:27 oleonard Also, when I click on "new purchase suggestion" a terrifying fiery pit opens in the floor next to me and I hear the tortured screams of countless damned souls. Seems like a bug to me.
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15:31 oleonard And OPACViewOthersSuggestions doesn't seem to do anything.
15:36 kf oleonard: it used to I think - give you a new link in navigation
15:41 kf oleonard: and yesall those sound like bugs :(
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15:46 oleonard Ha! Bug 4137
15:46 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4137 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPACViewOthersSuggestions is not working nicely
15:46 reiveune bye
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15:58 jcamins Someone with internet please respond and tell them that marcauthimport is deprecated?
16:00 jcamins I have zero bars on my phone so I'm surprised I could even receive an e-mail.
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16:06 gaetan_B bye koha !
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16:22 rambutan @seen jcamins
16:22 huginn` rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 22 minutes and 8 seconds ago: <jcamins> I have zero bars on my phone so I'm surprised I could even receive an e-mail.
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16:25 rambutan zero bars
16:27 druthb bgkriegel++
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16:29 rambutan https://clandestineragereveale[…]/2012/11/zero.jpg
16:29 * druthb chuckles.
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16:36 bgkriegel hi druthb :)
16:37 druthb Hi, bgkriegel!
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16:38 druthb I'm gonna be updating the docs and whatnot on doing the Pootle updates; after that, let's talk about getting you in there, and I can walk you through how I do it.  Sound good?
16:38 * druthb waves to cait.
16:39 * cait waves to druthb and bgkriegel
16:39 bgkriegel druthb, I miss the meeting, a bad combination of things to do and timezone confusion :(
16:39 cait congrats :)
16:39 bgkriegel hi cait
16:42 cait bgkriegel: don't worry about the meeting - it achieved the most important thing without you even being there :)
16:42 oleonard Don't worry bgkriegel, here in #koha we are happy to vote for people who aren't at the meeting. They have fewer chances to back out that way.
16:43 bgkriegel hehe
16:43 bgkriegel no problem at all
16:44 * druthb thought about voting for oleonard for something, too.
16:49 oleonard Why not, I could use the money! Elected positions are well-paid, right?
16:49 druthb uhm….no
16:50 druthb :P
16:50 * oleonard cancels the campaign
16:54 drojf oh, lots of emails for jcamins
16:54 tcohen poor Paul, looks like his subconscious doesn't want to accept he (somehow) put 3.8.10 code on his setp
16:54 tcohen heh drojf
16:55 tcohen jcamins++ # for cheerfuly receiving the email burst
16:57 drojf ok, the fun is over, i'm switching back to my usual tl:dr behaviour
17:08 jcamins YES! My filters worked! Life is good!
17:10 drojf i really hope that thread will just die now or i will get into the filter business too. it's a very good moment to never answer again since he had the last word on every tentacle of that thread now.
17:11 jcamins My bets are on the trolling continuing.
17:11 drojf we are better than that!. (please!)
17:11 drojf :D
17:13 tcohen drojf++
17:13 tcohen can I do it in bash drojf? :-P
17:13 drojf lol sure tcohen
17:14 drojf hide different versions of koha everywhere to drive people nuts
17:14 cait i would be happy if people concentrated on fixing bugs... instead of anything else
17:14 cait and a reminder - bugs can still go into 3.12!
17:14 drojf make scripts choose one codebase by random every time
17:17 drojf cait, the voice of boredo^wsanity
17:17 * cait glares at drojf
17:18 drojf is it the good kinf od glaring, with happiness and cookies in your hands?
17:18 drojf *kind of
17:18 tcohen hmm don't think so
17:18 gmcharlt drojf: I suspect not until you have at least one bugfix in *your* hand ;)
17:18 * druthb glares at drojf, too
17:19 druthb cait doesn't glare without good reason.  Except at me.
17:19 cait hehe
17:19 drojf i did three signoffs today *hides*
17:19 cait thx gmcharlt
17:19 cait oh right
17:19 * cait hands drojf a big portion of cookies
17:19 drojf yay!
17:20 tcohen can I get free cookies today?
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17:21 cait hmmm
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17:21 * cait hands tcohen one
17:21 druthb don't worry, tcohen.  If she won't give you cookies, I will.  I owe ya.
17:26 drojf i suppose the security problem in nginx already made it here?
17:27 jcamins drojf: nope.
17:27 drojf[…]/2013/000112.html
17:28 maximep there's security problems in stuff like that every day
17:29 * druthb blames drojf
17:29 drojf huh?
17:29 druthb gotta be *someone* to blame.  jcamins was yesterday
17:29 jcamins Ah, only in versions of nginx I don't use.
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17:30 maximep 1.2.6 seems to be the stable version in debian, ubuntu, gentoo, etc
17:32 jcamins Heh. 1968 was not a good year for wine.
17:33 jcamins The proper time to drink Bordeaux of that vintage is "never."
17:37 drojf jcamins: so better give it away as a fancy-looking present?
17:38 jcamins drojf: apparently.
17:38 jcamins Or use it as expensive vinegar.
17:39 drojf bgkriegel: have you successfully used nullmailer? because i have read this kind of description a few times and that thing never worked for me ;)
17:39 bgkriegel drojf: yes, many times
17:39 maximep anyone ever used misc/cronjobs/ and could explain it to me ?
17:40 drojf bgkriegel: cool. i wonder what i did wrong then
17:40 maximep it looks for serials where the planneddate < NOW and then checks if the nextpublisheddate is < today to set them late
17:40 maximep doesn't make sense to me
17:41 * drojf tries not to make a bad joke about serialsSurpriseUpdate
17:41 tcohen did you properly set the /etc/nullmailer/remotes file drojf ?
17:41 jcamins maximep: that makes sense to me.
17:41 drojf tcohen: i thought i did
17:41 tcohen nullmailer provides *only* the sendmail/mail command
17:41 bgkriegel mm, you could check or mail.err
17:41 drojf tcohen: it was some time ago. i gave up at some point and eventually got postfix working
17:42 jcamins If you expected the upcoming issue to have already arrived, and the following issue has already been published, the next issue is by definition late.
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17:43 bgkriegel djrof: in my last install I only need to request an open relay for the koha box
17:43 drojf bgkriegel: i don't remember what the problem was. postfix was easier in the end. i had to look deeper into configuration but it eventually did what i configuered. i did not have that impression when i tried nullmailer :)
17:43 maximep but if the published date of the current issue > the planned date, shouldnt it be set late ? Why whould the following issue matter ?
17:44 drojf and i always wondered who the people are that say "use nullmailer, it's easy". now i found you ;)
17:44 jcamins maximep: because you don't know that an issue is late until the next one comes out.
17:44 bgkriegel drojf: but in my case (as in that email) it not an option, so...
17:44 cait khall++ for asking for clarification
17:45 jcamins At least, that's the reasoning behind the script, I think.
17:45 maximep jcamins: huh, i'm lost. I tought it was as simple as planneddate < today, then it's late
17:45 bgkriegel drojf: only one line in /etc/nullmailer/remotes and an admin address
17:45 jcamins maximep: not for that script, apparently.
17:46 maximep maybe i'm just not understanding what the script does
17:46 cait hm
17:46 cait we also have a grace period here
17:46 * jcamins is just going off of what you said earlier about what the script was doing.
17:46 cait not sure if it should take that into account?
17:46 maximep the manual says "checks if there is a "late" issue on active subscriptions, and if there is, the script will set it as late, and add the next one as expected."
17:46 maximep hmmm
17:47 maximep the grace is in the initial sql which looks fine to me. AND DATE_ADD(planneddate, INTERVAL CAST(graceperiod AS SIGNED) DAY) < NOW()
17:47 drojf bgkriegel: i vaguely remember that it tried to use the hostname of the computer running it as the first part of the email address and i could not make it stop. but i'm not sure if that was the problem in the end. i changed several files and it just did not work for me
17:48 maximep going to look for the initial bug with that script. Maybe it explains it's use
17:48 maximep what ? sometimes I don't even understand what I write in english
17:51 bgkriegel drojf: if the smtp server accept to act as an open relay for you then you could send as any address (i'm using a gmail account), and the line in remotes is ' smtp'
17:51 bgkriegel for example
17:52 tcohen i think Colin was clear in the fact that we are showing a borrower we should pass a "borrower" object to the templates, and avoid dealing with presentation code in the cgi scripts
17:52 tcohen but, of course, i can be so confused i understood what i wanted to hear heh
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17:53 cait tcohen: that sounds about right to me :)
18:06 maximep aaaaaaaaah found my problem and now I understand the cron. All is fine! I just had an irregularity set to May -_-
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19:17 * drojf creates some chaos on bugzilla
20:07 oleonard drojf++ # for chaos.
20:08 cait :)
20:08 druthb cait++  # For cookies!
20:09 cait hmpf
20:10 druthb hmpf?
20:12 drojf nompf?
20:14 * druthb looks at drojf curiously.
20:15 drojf it's a word in german. at least i'll claim that from now on.
20:16 druthb nuh-uh!
20:16 * druthb wields her pointy stick, gone unused since libsysguy left.
20:18 cait he can has nompf
20:18 cait you only want to use the pointy stick
20:18 druthb yis!
20:18 * druthb pokes drojf gently with the pointy stick.
20:19 cait drojf: i tried..
20:19 * drojf hides behind a wall of zlotschenschrübel
20:19 drojf we have a lot of funny words
20:19 cait not even I know that one
20:20 druthb Neither does LEO.
20:20 drojf leo only knows a small part of german. unfortunately there is no german urban dictionary
20:20 cait there isn't?
20:20 druthb slot-something..
20:20 cait you should do that for your thesis
20:21 drojf great idea
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20:39 drojf good night #koha
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20:59 rambutan are there generalized statements that can be made about "Use of uninitialized value in xxx" that show up in the koha error logs?
21:00 cait hm they are warns... not really I think
21:00 cait i mean apart from they should ideall ynot be there
21:01 rambutan yea, so what isn't ideal that's putting them in there? We just had our ILS slow to a crawl, almost unresponsive, and I noticed the error log was filled with those lines
21:02 cait it's probably not the reason of your problem
21:02 cait i am not an expert
21:02 rambutan Use of uninitialized value in <string, $printer, concatenation, hash, hotdogs>
21:02 cait but if you have a condition where a variable is not initialized it will happen
21:03 cait like say all your items have no collection
21:03 cait and in the perl code the system tries to do soemthing with the collection without checking there is an actual value for the varable
21:03 cait and i might talk nonsense here :)
21:04 rambutan well, this was a momentary thing, it seemed to self-recover after about 4 minutes
21:04 cait did you see which script was started so often?
21:04 cait maybe a bot crawling your catalog
21:04 rambutan I've seen the google bot slow things down on our old Sirsi server like that, but no sign of that creepy-crawlie here and now.
21:05 cait could be an impatient group of humans then? :)
21:06 rambutan no, we were all just sitting here waiting. It wouldn't serve the OPAC page, the staff client was unresponsive, and I couldn't even get an ssh response.
21:06 rambutan and I think we have anti-bot measures in place too
21:07 rambutan ah, I'll just blame zebra
21:07 cait oh don't
21:07 cait the poor thing!
21:07 cait and I'd think even innocent
21:07 rambutan I don't like zebra.
21:08 rambutan I know the devs do, but....
21:08 rangi its never ever been zebra in the past
21:08 rangi so blaming it is a waste of
21:08 rangi time
21:08 rambutan zebra has always been a pest
21:08 rangi its always been code that someone in the koha community has written
21:08 rangi no, no it hasnt
21:08 rangi thats the entire point
21:09 rangi its the code we write to use it that is a pest
21:09 rangi basically we got left a crappile of code from that egg who sold ll
21:09 rangi none of which is zebras fault
21:10 rambutan I'll stand down
21:10 rangi thats like blaming a shovel cos you dug a whole in the wrong place :)
21:10 cait it'a harder to feel for a shovel tho... zebras are cuter
21:11 rangi rambutan: check your max connections in apache
21:11 rangi its pretty easy for it to OOM the system
21:11 trea also, some reports can get pretty resource intensive
21:12 trea always good to check your processes and see if guided_reports is running during these periods of slowness
21:12 rambutan as soon as I could ssh in I did check the number of apache connections--looked like we had 13 or so
21:12 rangi how much ram?
21:13 rangi ive seen those apaches use around 256m each
21:13 rambutan 16gb
21:13 rambutan we're pretty well spec'd out
21:13 wizzyrea aherm, you can, in fact, kill off a koha server with a stuck f5 key :P
21:13 rangi offtopic, anyone got some software they use for todo lists and like?
21:14 rangi rambutan: another thing to try is iotop
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21:14 * wizzyrea isn't very creative, I just use google's todo thingie
21:14 wizzyrea probably not your thing.
21:14 rangi ahh i want it for work, so not google :)
21:14 wizzyrea ^.^
21:14 bag yeah iotop will show a bunch
21:15 rangi brb
21:16 cait rangi: txt file in my owncloud thingy
21:17 bag my brain !!!
21:17 bag heh
21:17 jcamins text file in git.
21:17 jcamins Also hivemindet, sometomes.
21:17 jcamins Bot foss, though.
21:17 jcamins not
21:18 jcamins On phone. Obviously.
21:19 * magnuse uses Remember the milk, but isn't completely happy with it
21:20 * Dyrcona uses ical calendars and sunbird.
21:21 Dyrcona cait: How is owncloud working for you? I'm thinking of giving it a try on my home server.
21:21 cait i like it
21:22 cait but I think they haven't fixed encryption yet... so not using it for anything really important right now
21:24 cait the encryption plugin shows this note: Server side encryption of files. DEPRECATED. This app is no longer  supported and will be replaced with an improved version in ownCloud 5.  Only enable this features if you want to read old encrypted data.  Warning: You will lose your data if you enable this App and forget your  password. Encryption is not yet compatible with LDAP.
21:25 cait i have it working with my thunderbird calendar
21:25 cait and I have integrated access to my roundcube for qam mails
21:25 cait mostly using it for koha related things and it works fine for that :)
21:26 Dyrcona cait: Thanks. I'm pondering throwing owncloud 5 on a server at home, 'cause Google Drive isn't doing it for me. :)
21:27 cait hm 5 is there already? it iddn't show me that there was an update ts
21:27 cait guess I should update :)
21:28 magnuse huh
21:28 cait Dyrcona: I also was able to use the owncloud client for ubuntu, but it turns out I like it better to just use the web interface
21:28 Dyrcona It's in FreeBSD ports. The server I'm thinking of runs FreeBSD.
21:28 magnuse i have owncloud on a server
21:28 Dyrcona cait: I'd like to make a plugin (if necessary) for libreoffice.
21:28 cait hm i think we talked about it once magnuse?
21:28 magnuse when i went to visit it now it upgraded to 5.0.5 or something, and then it asked me to log in??
21:29 cait Dyrcona: not sure what you want to do, but there might be something already
21:29 cait Dyrcona: one of the small things i like is editing text files in the app
21:29 cait which is why it turned out to be a good place for an easy to edit to do list
21:29 Dyrcona cait: Right. There is likely already something to do what I want.
21:30 Dyrcona If not, I'll write it. :)
21:30 cait :)
21:30 Dyrcona well, time for me to go.
21:43 rangi ohh i got mail from ups my phone is on it's way
21:44 cait cool :)
21:44 cait i think drojf was expecting his some time soon too
21:58 tcohen have u used trackchecker rangi?
21:58 tcohen[…]ndag.trackchecker
21:58 rangi hmm nope
21:58 rangi oh cool
21:58 tcohen i found it useful for my China packages
21:59 tcohen ;)
21:59 * druthb sees what time it is in Germany, and gives cait the ebil eye
21:59 * cait pretends to snore
21:59 druthb Hmpf.
21:59 wizzyrea cait is perfect, she would never snore.
21:59 druthb B'zacly!
22:00 cait hmpf.
22:05 tcohen does anyone use authority search?
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22:12 bag they shouldn't :P
22:12 bag I think we have a few that do
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22:13 * druthb pokes bag with her pointy stick, by way of greeting.
22:14 bag hey druthb
22:14 bag how you doing?
22:14 druthb awesome sauce!
22:14 bag great!
22:18 mtj rangi,  i swear by a TODO/note app called ->
22:18 mtj the bad news is its osx only :/
22:19 mtj but, there looks to be a linux rewrite here ->[…]form-alternative/
22:19 mtj ...i just discovered this, so havent tried it out yet
22:19 eythian hi
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22:20 mtj
22:20 mtj screenshot looks good ^^
22:20 mtj heya eythian
22:20 wahanui well, eythian is great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem.
22:22 rangi ill give it a try
22:23 mtj rambutan, you should run munin on your koha box, to help diagnose your performance problem
22:32 rambutan oh? what would munin do for me? I'll check it out.
22:32 mtj munin will give you info on what your apache, mysql , cpu, ram, disk and swap is up to
22:32 mtj ...when your box hangs
22:34 rambutan I'll look at it tonight at home and pass it to my tech as a "todo"
22:34 rambutan tnx for tip
22:35 mtj the big Q is usually… is my apache gettings DDOSed?, or is someone running a goofy report?
22:35 wizzyrea or does someone have a stuck f5 key
22:35 mtj munin gives good historical info on apache and mysql
22:36 wizzyrea or did someone just post 50 links to the catalogue on a wordpress site set to pingback
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22:36 wizzyrea or did 30 kids in a school class all click search at the same time
22:36 mtj yep, historically its some kids downstairs searching for 'PPEEEENISSSSSSSS FARRTTTT'..…
22:37 mtj that my expereince.. :)
22:39 bgkriegel jcamins?
22:39 wahanui i think jcamins is too young to be the President of the United States.  Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
22:39 jcamins Yes?
22:40 bgkriegel on ccsr there are pretty breadcrumbs but only on search results
22:40 bgkriegel andowhere else
22:40 jcamins That would involve string changes, so it'll have to wait until 3.14. :(
22:41 bgkriegel i'm touching authority search results
22:41 bgkriegel yes ok
22:41 bgkriegel look
22:41 bgkriegel could it be defined as class, to reuse in other pages?
22:42 jcamins Ooh, nice!
22:42 jcamins Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me.
22:42 bgkriegel in the image top is search result, bottom is me touching, middle is with breadcrums style as class
22:42 wizzyrea also snaggy is amazing.
22:43 wizzyrea so thanks for that
22:43 bgkriegel :)
22:43 bgkriegel well, i'll work to put it in a bug
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22:46 wizzyrea mailing lists
22:46 wahanui mailing lists are at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
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22:56 jcamins eythian: ya think?
22:57 jcamins :)
22:57 eythian jcamins: yeah, it pays to keep it in mind. Though I'd expect that this would be the sort of thing the QA team would catch anyway.
22:58 jcamins I was referring to "it can sometimes be tempting..."
22:58 eythian oh right :)
22:58 eythian well, actually, so was my reply just then too.
22:58 jcamins I agree 100% with your broader point too, of course.
23:04 eythian cool.
23:04 eythian jcamins: btw, I don't know if you saw already, but I found something for you.
23:04 eythian wahanui: cooking help
23:04 wahanui cooking help is
23:05 jcamins omg! That's fantastic! :D
23:05 jcamins :D
23:06 jcamins eythian: for goodness' sake, stop cleaning up your quotes! My filter consistently fails to catch your messages!
23:08 * jcamins had the good sense not to read the message and find out what it was responding to, at least.
23:09 eythian jcamins: can't you just hit "ignore thread"?
23:09 eythian you missed nothing too exciting really.
23:10 jcamins eythian: believe it or not, that didn't occur to me.
23:10 eythian heh
23:11 jcamins I was more concerned about future occurrences.
23:11 jcamins I thought that thread would finally die.
23:11 jcamins ... 30 messages ago.
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23:13 eythian If I can get him to do the only possible reliable test, that he hasn't apparently done yet, then it'll show either that he's right, or that he's unequivocally wrong. I'm fairly sure I know what he's doing, of course.
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23:24 mtj afaik, my recently added filters are working a treat
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23:30 * dcook claps
23:30 dcook New computer has arrived ^_^
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23:36 jcamins dcook: yay! So I guess your better half is in mourning?
23:36 dcook lol
23:36 dcook Not quite yet
23:37 dcook Mostly just at the eye rolling stage at the moment
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23:48 jcamins Acrobat's instructions tell me to use a "circular object" for creating a radio button.
23:48 jcamins I have no idea what they're talking about.
23:48 eythian use the bottom of a mug or something.
23:49 jcamins lol
23:49 cjh heh

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