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| 01:02 |
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jenkins_koha |
Yippie, build fixed! |
| 01:02 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1148: FIXED in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1148/ |
| 01:30 |
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| 01:43 |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_kmg6jq, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 01:43 |
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mib_kmg6jq |
Hello! Quick question - is the patron-facing web interface (the one without -staff) able to show all books in inventory for patrons to browse through? |
| 01:44 |
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mib_kmg6jq |
Sort of like a paginated list of all records |
| 01:44 |
|
jcamins |
Not really, no. |
| 01:45 |
|
jcamins |
The best you could do is a search that returns all records. |
| 01:45 |
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jcamins |
(for example: pqf=@attr 1=_ALLRECORDS @attr 2=103 "") |
| 01:45 |
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mib_kmg6jq |
that'll work! |
| 01:45 |
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mib_kmg6jq |
Thanks for the help jcamins |
| 01:46 |
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jcamins |
You're welcome. |
| 01:46 |
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mib_kmg6jq |
Have a good rest of your night all |
| 01:53 |
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| 05:20 |
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* cait |
waves |
| 05:24 |
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cait |
noone here? :) |
| 05:28 |
|
cjh |
nope, holiday over here :) |
| 05:33 |
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cait |
hey cjh :) |
| 05:33 |
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cait |
so why are you here? :) |
| 05:34 |
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cjh |
holiday for me means homework time :( |
| 05:34 |
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cait |
ah |
| 05:34 |
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cait |
I know how that feels - distance study |
| 05:34 |
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cait |
so when i am not working.. I should be doing math right now |
| 05:34 |
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cjh |
I finish in June/July though, so home stretch. |
| 05:35 |
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cait |
yay! :) |
| 05:35 |
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cjh |
I was going to ask what you were studying, I guess it's math :p |
| 05:35 |
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cait |
I am not that crazy :) |
| 05:36 |
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cjh |
heh |
| 05:36 |
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cait |
they call it 'web and multimedia computer science' or something less badly translated |
| 06:00 |
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| 06:00 |
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drojf |
good morning #koha |
| 06:05 |
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cait |
morning drojf :) |
| 06:06 |
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drojf |
hi cait :) |
| 06:06 |
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wahanui |
hi cait :) are you around ? |
| 06:07 |
|
cait |
yes wahanui |
| 06:07 |
|
cait |
yes wahanui is yay! |
| 06:07 |
|
cait |
yes wahanui |
| 06:07 |
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cait |
ooh |
| 06:11 |
|
jenkins_koha |
Starting build #104 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 06:12 |
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drojf |
"all and sundry are welcome to take, use, and contribute to the LibLime Koha code base". hrm. no, thanks. |
| 06:13 |
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cait |
where did you pick that up? |
| 06:13 |
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* cait |
volunteers tcohen to fix git bz because it just doesn't work with his library name in the patches |
| 06:13 |
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cait |
but seriously |
| 06:13 |
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cait |
it would make this QAM really really happy if someone fixed it |
| 06:15 |
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drojf |
should probably go into the log too :) http://opensource.com/educatio[…]ject-lessons-koha |
| 06:15 |
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rangi |
linked from the newsletter cait |
| 06:30 |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 06:31 |
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rangi |
heya magnuse |
| 06:31 |
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wahanui |
magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. |
| 06:31 |
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rangi |
nope i was too busy eating pizza |
| 06:31 |
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cait |
hi magnuse |
| 06:32 |
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drojf |
hei magnuse |
| 06:32 |
|
magnuse |
hiya rangi cait drojf |
| 06:32 |
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magnuse |
oy, save some pizza for me! |
| 06:32 |
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mtj |
some of the history in that article is very 'wishful', on ptfs/liblimes part |
| 06:32 |
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magnuse |
nah, tomorrow is pizzaday |
| 06:33 |
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rangi |
i think the author only talked to 2 people, so its a pretty shallow article |
| 06:34 |
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rangi |
mtj: thinking about it more, switching the xslt to be on by default (in new installs if it isnt already) would be a good patch i reckon |
| 06:34 |
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cait |
18 bugs now waiting for qa |
| 06:34 |
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| 06:34 |
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cait |
morning paul_p |
| 06:34 |
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rangi |
hi paul_p |
| 06:34 |
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paul_p |
hi cait & rangi |
| 06:34 |
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mtj |
rangi, i had thought that too |
| 06:35 |
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magnuse |
mtj, rangi: bug 9867 |
| 06:35 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9867 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Make XSLT view the default for Norwegian installations |
| 06:36 |
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magnuse |
bonjour paul_p |
| 06:36 |
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rangi |
cool |
| 06:36 |
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cait |
drojf: did you send a patch for the pref thing? |
| 06:37 |
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mtj |
magnuse, cool - we can change that patch to include all installs, i think |
| 06:38 |
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magnuse |
mtj: sure! |
| 06:38 |
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drojf |
cait: bug 10103 |
| 06:38 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10103 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , UniqueItemFields is missing from sysprefs.sql |
| 06:39 |
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| 06:39 |
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christophe_c |
hello #koah |
| 06:39 |
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magnuse |
mtj: it's just a small update to installer/data/mysql/sysprefs.sql |
| 06:41 |
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cait |
hi christophe_c :) |
| 06:41 |
|
rangi |
hi christophe_c |
| 06:41 |
|
cait |
both of those are pretty easy to sign off :) |
| 06:41 |
|
cait |
mtj: I think maybe better have a new bug |
| 06:42 |
|
cait |
or change the title of the bug report |
| 06:42 |
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wahanui |
cait: that doesn't look right |
| 06:42 |
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| 06:42 |
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cait |
yes wahanui |
| 06:45 |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
| 06:45 |
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wahanui |
niihau, alex_a |
| 06:46 |
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christophe_c |
hi cait rangi ;-) |
| 06:47 |
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| 06:47 |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 06:48 |
|
cait |
oooh |
| 06:48 |
|
cait |
that was not good |
| 06:48 |
|
cait |
I have returned a huge amount of books that were overdue (not lost) |
| 06:49 |
|
cait |
and suddenly I have a lot of credit on that account? |
| 06:49 |
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* cait |
is a bit scared now |
| 06:50 |
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magnuse |
cait: don't look a gift horse in the mouth ;-) |
| 06:50 |
|
cait |
i will have to repeat that steps somehow. |
| 06:50 |
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drojf |
lol magnuse |
| 06:52 |
|
cait |
interesting |
| 06:52 |
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wahanui |
interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 06:52 |
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drojf |
it wouldn't be nice to have libraries go broke because they pay their patrons ;) |
| 06:52 |
|
magnuse |
hehe |
| 06:53 |
|
jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.10.x build #104: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/104/ |
| 06:53 |
|
jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 9981: Handle sort1 field when duplicating patron |
| 06:53 |
|
jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9812 - Forbid access to several files through the browser |
| 06:53 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Corey Fuimaono: bug 9397 - Error Messages hard to find for Visually Impaired Users (Accessibility) [Returning Items] {REVISION 1.1} |
| 06:53 |
|
jenkins_koha |
* Kyle M Hall: Bug 8770 - amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits |
| 06:53 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9981 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Sort1 not automatically cleared when duplicating a patron |
| 06:53 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9812 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Several files shouldn't be exposed or browseable through a URL |
| 06:53 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9397 trivial, P5 - low, ---, agent.075, Pushed to Stable , Error Messages hard to find for Visually Impaired Users (Accessibility) [Returning Items] |
| 06:53 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8770 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits |
| 06:53 |
|
jenkins_koha |
Starting build #305 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 06:53 |
|
magnuse |
success! \o/ |
| 06:53 |
|
cait |
ugh |
| 06:53 |
|
cait |
i can repeat that |
| 06:53 |
|
cait |
something is seriously wrong |
| 06:54 |
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cait |
oh it's the patch |
| 06:54 |
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magnuse |
gah! |
| 06:54 |
|
cait |
bug 10030 |
| 06:54 |
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wahanui |
bug 10030 is giving me trouble too |
| 06:54 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10030 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , MaxFines checks against amount, not amount outstanding |
| 06:57 |
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rangi |
hmmm |
| 06:57 |
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cait |
yeah exactly |
| 06:57 |
|
cait |
weridness. I have to go :) |
| 06:57 |
|
cait |
bye all :) |
| 06:57 |
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rangi |
you sure its teh patch? |
| 06:57 |
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rangi |
its a one line change |
| 06:57 |
|
cait |
i couldn't replicate on master |
| 06:57 |
|
cait |
but it would be good if someone else confrmed |
| 06:58 |
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rangi |
that doesnt do anything to do with returns |
| 06:58 |
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cait |
I really have to run to work now |
| 06:58 |
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cait |
yeah, but it only happens to me when the patch is applied right now :( |
| 06:58 |
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cait |
and seems ok on master |
| 06:58 |
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| 06:58 |
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cait |
oh |
| 06:58 |
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cait |
now it didn't happen |
| 06:59 |
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cait |
i have to go - if someone could run some tests that would be good |
| 06:59 |
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rangi |
i dont think it could be the patch |
| 06:59 |
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rangi |
it has nothign to do with credits |
| 06:59 |
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cait |
i agree |
| 06:59 |
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cait |
i wondered that myself, but it's happened 3 times for me now and it's definitely not right |
| 06:59 |
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rangi |
yeah |
| 06:59 |
|
rangi |
just have to track down whats causing it |
| 07:01 |
|
rangi |
my $fix = _FixOverduesOnReturn($borrowernumber, $item->{itemnumber}, $exemptfine, $dropbox); |
| 07:01 |
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rangi |
i bet its to do with that |
| 07:04 |
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rangi |
@later tell kf check your fines log (turn it on if you need to) then look for any lines in it, they might help you spot where its coming from |
| 07:04 |
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huginn |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:04 |
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| 07:04 |
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rangi |
@later tell kf also check accountlines for a CR line |
| 07:04 |
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huginn |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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| 07:24 |
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huginn |
GERMS!!!! |
| 07:24 |
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wahanui |
germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
| 07:24 |
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kf |
morning huginn and wahanui |
| 07:28 |
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magnuse |
welcome back kf |
| 07:30 |
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kf |
thx |
| 07:30 |
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kf |
it bothers me I couldn't hunt down that fine problem |
| 07:31 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #305: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/305/ |
| 07:31 |
|
jenkins_koha |
Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9812 - Forbid access to several files through the browser |
| 07:31 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9812 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Several files shouldn't be exposed or browseable through a URL |
| 07:38 |
|
magnuse |
kf: you saw the hints from rangi? |
| 07:46 |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
| 07:46 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on April 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:46 |
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magnuse |
s/Mostly Cloudy/Snowing/ |
| 07:46 |
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rangi |
@wunder nzwn |
| 07:46 |
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huginn |
rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on April 25, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:48 |
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magnuse |
rangi: that still sounds nice |
| 07:49 |
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rangi |
its not bad for april |
| 07:52 |
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magnuse |
yay |
| 07:53 |
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kf |
magnuse: I saw - but not at the right computer now :( |
| 07:53 |
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kf |
magnuse: i think it might have something to do with that account being my main test account, so there is some old data that might play into it |
| 07:53 |
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kf |
it's scary, I really want to nail that bug down tonight |
| 07:55 |
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magnuse |
just do it! :-) |
| 08:02 |
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kf |
hope I can :) |
| 08:06 |
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| 08:07 |
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magnuse |
you can do it! |
| 08:07 |
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kf |
bonjour clrh_ :) |
| 08:08 |
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clrh_ |
hello kf :) |
| 08:08 |
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clrh_ |
.nick clrh |
| 08:08 |
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clrh_ |
oups |
| 08:10 |
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magnuse |
bonjour clrh_ |
| 08:11 |
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clrh_ |
:) |
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| 09:33 |
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magnuse |
kia ora ConnorDewar |
| 09:36 |
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ConnorDewar |
hello magnuse |
| 09:38 |
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| 09:39 |
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ConnorDewar |
do you happen to know python magnuse ? i have a bug in my program and have no clue why its happening |
| 09:42 |
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magnuse |
ConnorDewar: nah, not really, i'm afraid |
| 09:43 |
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ConnorDewar |
no worries ill just keep hacking at my code untill i get it :) |
| 09:43 |
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magnuse |
ConnorDewar: great way to learn :-) |
| 09:48 |
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ConnorDewar |
not good for the temper though |
| 09:52 |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
| 09:53 |
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| 09:54 |
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marcelr |
@later tell rangi Sometimes banned when using mibbit for irc |
| 09:54 |
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huginn |
marcelr: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:55 |
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rangi |
marcelr: nothing we can do about that |
| 09:56 |
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marcelr |
hi rangi: ok well second try mostly works :) |
| 09:56 |
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rangi |
it will depend on how many ppl are connected |
| 09:56 |
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marcelr |
but it is a new phenomenon |
| 09:56 |
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marcelr |
never had just for a few weeks now |
| 09:56 |
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rangi |
oftc (and any irc network) has a limit on the number of connections from the same ip number |
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| 09:56 |
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rangi |
probably more ppl using mibbit to connect to irc |
| 09:57 |
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rangi |
(not just in #koha its for the whole network) |
| 09:57 |
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marcelr |
could be; but there was some testing with banning.. |
| 09:57 |
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rangi |
id recommend getting a real irc client ;-) |
| 09:57 |
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marcelr |
:) |
| 09:57 |
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rangi |
no, that was only for the channel |
| 09:57 |
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rangi |
we cant stop ppl joining the network |
| 09:57 |
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marcelr |
ok |
| 10:00 |
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mtj |
marcelr, think of your problem as an opportunity :p |
| 10:01 |
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marcelr |
:) |
| 10:01 |
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marcelr |
so much opportunities in bugzilla too |
| 10:02 |
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| 10:02 |
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huginn |
Oh no, not this fool again |
| 10:07 |
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drojf |
not a fan of mibbit, but running a webfrontend for irc on our own servers would probably solve the problem for #koha (not volunteering to do that, get real clients everyone) |
| 10:07 |
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rangi |
we used to have that |
| 10:07 |
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rangi |
it was just as bad, and would suffer the same problem, multiple connections from the same ip |
| 10:07 |
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rangi |
it looks a lot like a ddos |
| 10:08 |
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rangi |
well a dos anyway :) |
| 10:08 |
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drojf |
oh, ok. i thought the limit would probably not matter for the few mibbitses we have here at the same time |
| 10:08 |
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rangi |
its for the network |
| 10:08 |
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rangi |
not the channel |
| 10:09 |
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rangi |
http://www.oftc.net/oftc/WebChat |
| 10:10 |
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rangi |
oftc have their own one now |
| 10:10 |
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drojf |
of course it's per network, but i mean having it coming with "our" server's ip and only have koha folk use it |
| 10:11 |
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rangi |
wasnt last time, we used to run into quite often i had to keep upping the maxconns |
| 10:11 |
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drojf |
strange |
| 10:12 |
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rangi |
you only need about 4 from the same ip, mibbit has about 15 ips it uses |
| 10:12 |
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rangi |
(same ip, same identd) |
| 10:12 |
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drojf |
well, getting an irc client is a good test to see if you should ask your question here or in the google group anyway :D |
| 10:12 |
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rangi |
almost no one runs an identd daemon anymore |
| 10:12 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 10:14 |
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rangi |
marcelr: 22:10 -!- Irssi: No bans in channel #koha |
| 10:14 |
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rangi |
(i checked just in case) |
| 10:14 |
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marcelr |
ok thx |
| 10:15 |
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rangi |
drojf: there you go, mail on the mailing list, that totally should be in google groups |
| 10:16 |
|
* kf |
waves |
| 10:16 |
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rangi |
whats a polite way to say "I really think you shouldn't be administering a complex system like Koha" |
| 10:16 |
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rangi |
you use way to many z |
| 10:16 |
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magnuse |
oh noes |
| 10:20 |
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rangi |
https://infomalias.wordpress.c[…]ha-training-2013/ |
| 10:22 |
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drojf |
lol rangi |
| 10:23 |
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drojf |
magnuse: did you mean "oh noezzzz"? |
| 10:23 |
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magnuse |
drojf: of, course, sorry for the omission |
| 10:24 |
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* magnuse |
needs some lunchzzzz |
| 10:24 |
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drojf |
no pizzzzzza until tomorrowzzzz! |
| 10:25 |
|
* kf |
lolz |
| 10:25 |
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magnuse |
i knowzzzz |
| 10:25 |
|
* drojf |
goezzz back to workzzz |
| 10:47 |
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tcohen |
Zzzzzzz |
| 10:47 |
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marcelr |
hi tcohen |
| 10:48 |
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marcelr |
tcohen: i write a draft for utf8 handling in koha on the wiki |
| 10:49 |
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tcohen |
You rockzz marcelr |
| 10:50 |
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marcelr |
heh zzzz |
| 10:50 |
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marcelr |
your help will be appreciated |
| 10:52 |
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tcohen |
Once i get out of bedzz and actually be conciuozz marcelr heh |
| 10:52 |
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marcelr |
:) |
| 10:52 |
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marcelr |
still a bit early there.. |
| 10:53 |
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tcohen |
Lookzz like i left the irc clientz on, the ledzz woke me up |
| 10:55 |
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kf |
lol |
| 10:55 |
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kf |
kinda funny zzzzzzzzzz |
| 10:55 |
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marcelr |
he kfzzz |
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kf |
hi marcelr and tcohen :) |
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tcohen |
kf: http://git.661346.n2.nabble.co[…]ng-td7567230.html |
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marcelr |
tcohen: this seems to be related to the version of git you use |
| 10:59 |
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marcelr |
i still have this error too with Córdoba :) |
| 10:59 |
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kf |
tcohen: thx - but that was not the problem :) when I do git bz attach I get an error complaining about non ascii things :( |
| 11:00 |
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tcohen |
I'll check it at work, maybe giving raring a try was not good after all |
| 11:01 |
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kf |
raring? |
| 11:01 |
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marcelr |
raar |
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kf |
tcohen: it's not only your patches, I get the same when I type something in german |
| 11:01 |
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kf |
I think it's git bz |
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marcelr |
it is git? |
| 11:01 |
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kf |
hm no I think it's especially git bz |
| 11:01 |
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kf |
it's a python error |
| 11:01 |
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marcelr |
ok |
| 11:02 |
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jcamins |
plzzzzzzzz fix git-bzzzzzzzzzzz errorrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 11:02 |
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kf |
git bz attach is broken for any commit message with a non ascii character |
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kf |
errorrrrzzzzz |
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* jcamins |
is zzzzzzzzzzzleeepy |
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kf |
go back to bed ;) |
| 11:02 |
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tcohen |
Maybe we should wrap python-cgi-lwp to better handle utf8 |
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tcohen |
:] |
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slef |
kf: maybe some .str being used instead of of .unicode or something |
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jcamins |
tcohen: we should call the wrapper pythonzzzzzzz |
| 11:03 |
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slef |
kf: I assume your locale is utf-8? |
| 11:04 |
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kf |
slef: yes |
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kf |
slef: so if you tried a patch from tcohen - that works for you? |
| 11:05 |
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kf |
if it's only me... that's also useful information |
| 11:05 |
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jcamins |
I'm pretty sure I've successfully attached patches with UTF-8 in the commit message. |
| 11:06 |
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slef |
kf: not recently. I was going to check the git-bz source |
| 11:06 |
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slef |
kf: see if I can spot anything as I've been doing more python than perl recently |
| 11:07 |
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slef |
kf: do you have a backtrace you can http://paste.koha-community.org ? |
| 11:07 |
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kf |
slef: sorry, not on this computer |
| 11:08 |
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kf |
it's quite wordy |
| 11:08 |
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kf |
and n the end says something about ascii |
| 11:08 |
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magnuse |
i did a commit message recently where i copied the breadcrumbs, like Home > Something, and the character that looks kind of like > got mangled |
| 11:08 |
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magnuse |
no errorzzz though |
| 11:08 |
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kf |
magnuse: which editor do you use? |
| 11:08 |
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marcelr |
good to hearzzz |
| 11:09 |
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slef |
line 1210 looks suspicious to me, calling ascii_uppercase |
| 11:09 |
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magnuse |
kf: vim, mostly |
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magnuse |
for comit messages |
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kf |
magnuse: hm for git bz I have that other one opening up... |
| 11:09 |
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slef |
but that's only a filename, shouldn't be trouble |
| 11:09 |
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magnuse |
nano? |
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kf |
i could try switching that to vim |
| 11:09 |
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kf |
probably |
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magnuse |
yeah, i get that sometimes too |
| 11:09 |
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slef |
export EDITOR=vim |
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marcelr |
jcamins: already awakezz |
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slef |
or whatever |
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magnuse |
some env variable i should have set |
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magnuse |
slef: that's probably it, yeah |
| 11:10 |
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slef |
or mess with update-alternatives if you want it system-wide |
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kf |
slef: maybe you could try that: git bz apply 10107, git bz attach -e 10107 HEAD |
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slef |
kf: trying |
| 11:10 |
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slef |
kf: at what point goes it BOOM? |
| 11:10 |
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kf |
it fails instantly on git bz attach |
| 11:10 |
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marcelr |
kf: is the problem utf8 in commit message only? |
| 11:10 |
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kf |
ah sorry no |
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kf |
it fails after saving that |
| 11:11 |
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kf |
only commit messages, patches seem fine |
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kf |
slef: I can edit the patch, but without -e it fails too |
| 11:11 |
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slef |
kf: does it work without a patch attached? |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
interesting question |
| 11:13 |
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kf |
I normally obsolete in the -e step |
| 11:13 |
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kf |
QA problems :) |
| 11:13 |
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slef |
kf: worksforme |
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kf |
meh. |
| 11:14 |
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kf |
maybe I can show you the error sometime? |
| 11:14 |
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slef |
kf: please do. |
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kf |
slef: thx for taking a look :) |
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kf |
slef++ |
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* slef |
clocks out and returns to other python code |
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slef |
kf, magnuse: S said thank you by the way :) |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
hi kyle |
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magnuse |
slef: :-) |
| 11:15 |
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magnuse |
hiya khall |
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khall |
morning magnuse! |
| 11:16 |
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kf |
khall: i tried testing maxfne this morning... but ran into some weirdnesses |
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khall |
kf: I'll have to check that out |
| 11:17 |
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kf |
I am not sure if it's realted to your patch - see last note |
| 11:17 |
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kf |
i would have liked to investigatemore but ran out of time and had to get to work |
| 11:17 |
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kf |
it was seriously buggy what I saw |
| 11:17 |
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kf |
maybe you have an idea as you know the code in ther ea bit |
| 11:17 |
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kf |
i started with an existing patron account that had lots over overdue checkouts |
| 11:18 |
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kf |
so I marked them all and returned them from the circ screen |
| 11:18 |
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khall |
yeah, I'll have to do some investigation. |
| 11:18 |
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kf |
and suddenly I had over 300+ euro credit |
| 11:18 |
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khall |
wow, that's interesting |
| 11:18 |
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kf |
then I tried repeating that with one item like notedon the bug, and coudl reproduce it twice |
| 11:18 |
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kf |
but then... not |
| 11:18 |
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kf |
so there is maybe some additional factor playing into it |
| 11:18 |
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khall |
ugh, that's the worst kind of bug |
| 11:18 |
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kf |
exactly |
| 11:18 |
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jcamins |
Hey, did I report the bug where if you click the plus to expand options on Orders search and then click the minus, the plus vanishes? |
| 11:19 |
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kf |
itdidn't look like I got a credit line - something in the existing fine lines must have changed |
| 11:19 |
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kf |
this patron has a lot of past... |
| 11:19 |
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kf |
and those suddenly added up to a negative value |
| 11:19 |
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kf |
and I also tested lost stuff with this accout... it's rather hairy |
| 11:20 |
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kf |
I am wondering not if it's in reality a bug with the fine refund for lost - but I can't check that installation now |
| 11:20 |
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marcelr |
jcamins: bug 6554 ? |
| 11:20 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates |
| 11:20 |
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jcamins |
Nope. |
| 11:21 |
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jcamins |
It's a functionality bug. |
| 11:21 |
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jcamins |
I don't think I did, so I'm reporting it again. |
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jcamins |
If someone else recognizes it, you can mark my new one duplicate. |
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khall |
magnuse: we finally opened the bag of chocolates from you last night. They were most excellent! |
| 11:22 |
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magnuse |
khall: yay, good to hear! |
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marcelr |
jcamins: should we revert 6554 in 3.12.x? |
| 11:24 |
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jcamins |
marcelr: I don't know. It still concerns me. |
| 11:25 |
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marcelr |
jcamins: i think that we should now actually |
| 11:25 |
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magnuse |
bug 6554 |
| 11:25 |
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marcelr |
i am still finding new things |
| 11:25 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, probably better to leave it for master, then. |
| 11:25 |
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marcelr |
like bug 10114 now |
| 11:25 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10114 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Double encoding problems caused by uri_escape_utf8 |
| 11:25 |
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marcelr |
revert it from 3.12.x and leave it in master |
| 11:26 |
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kf |
i had one encoding problem this morning |
| 11:26 |
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kf |
butnot sure if it's realted |
| 11:26 |
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kf |
bug 100113 |
| 11:26 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]bug.cgi?id=100113 was not found. |
| 11:26 |
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kf |
bug 10113 |
| 11:26 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10113 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Currency and cost calculation problem in acquisition |
| 11:26 |
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kf |
hm not that |
| 11:26 |
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wahanui |
somebody said not that was a probably - you'll just need to learn a few new techinques |
| 11:26 |
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kf |
bug 10110 |
| 11:26 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10110 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Problems with diacritics in saved SQL reports |
| 11:26 |
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kf |
this one |
| 11:26 |
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wahanui |
i think this one is cool as long as someone *wants* acknowledgement |
| 11:27 |
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marcelr |
kf i will look at it too |
| 11:27 |
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marcelr |
probably a 6554 effect; needing a decode somewhere |
| 11:27 |
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marcelr |
i wrote this on the wiki now |
| 11:28 |
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marcelr |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]F8_in_development |
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jcamins |
kf: were invoices ever sorted? |
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kf |
jcamins: context? |
| 11:47 |
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jcamins |
kf: when you're receiving items, you have to choose an invoice. |
| 11:47 |
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jcamins |
I was told that they used to be sorted in reverse date order, but now they are not. |
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kf |
jcamins: I am not sure |
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magnuse |
yeah sure, "06-DEC-12" is probably a good way to store a date |
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jcamins |
magnuse: Excel? |
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wahanui |
i think Excel is a bit stupid. |
| 12:07 |
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magnuse |
nope, proprietary ils |
| 12:07 |
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jcamins |
Also likely to be a bit stupid. ;) |
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* magnuse |
is under that impression too |
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kf |
marcelr: should I cc you and ? when I find problems with diacritics? |
| 12:17 |
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marcelr |
kf: that is fine |
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kf |
ok :) thx for adopting those bugs marcelr++ :) |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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magnuse |
kia ora oleonard |
| 12:35 |
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kf |
hi oleonard :) |
| 12:35 |
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* magnuse |
discovers that git does not like $ in commit messages |
| 12:38 |
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jcamins |
Interesting. |
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wahanui |
interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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tcohen |
morning #koha |
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magnuse |
buenas dias tcohen |
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tcohen |
como estas magnuse? |
| 12:50 |
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magnuse |
muy bien (i think) |
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tcohen |
gonna see those irc logz to see how the git bz issue continued |
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oleonard |
IE-- |
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tcohen |
ie-- |
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magnuse |
ie-- |
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tcohen |
eg++ |
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jcamins |
ie-- |
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druthb |
o/ |
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kf |
ie-- |
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druthb |
ie— #joinin' the herd. |
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oleonard |
ie em-dash? |
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druthb |
heh. damn you, autocorrect! |
| 12:53 |
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druthb |
ie-- |
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tcohen |
@later tell eythian: we could do smth like "for lang in $(koha-translate --list) ; do koha-translate --update $lang ; done" during the packages update |
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huginn |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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druthb |
*squee* |
| 12:54 |
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* druthb |
enjoyed her ride to work this morning on her new motorscooter. |
| 12:56 |
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magnuse |
yay, congrats druthb |
| 12:57 |
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druthb |
It's a dream to ride, but I was startled to discover that the speedometer is in km/h. I looked down, and it said "50", and I thought, "that's nuts." Then I noticed the little lettering... |
| 12:58 |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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magnuse |
it's the small things :-) |
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druthb |
http://www.longboamerica.com/p[…].php?productid=7& |
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oleonard |
Snazzy. How long is your commute? |
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druthb |
About 15 minutes. City streets, no highway. |
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oleonard |
Nice |
| 12:59 |
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jcamins |
That's good, because it's a motor scooter! |
| 12:59 |
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jcamins |
:P |
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druthb |
Oh, I *could* get on a lesser-highway with this, for very short distances—at 2 AM when no one is around. |
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druthb |
but I'd rather not. |
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druthb |
One thing, though…Houston streets remind me of Mumbai, minus all the horns and little black-and-yellow rickshaws… holes *everywhere* |
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tcohen |
git checkout clean_master ; git pull |
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kf |
which color is it? :) |
| 13:03 |
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druthb |
Blue. :) |
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tcohen |
sh*tz |
| 13:04 |
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tcohen |
hey, that's a nice scooter btw |
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oleonard |
The United States is way behind the rest of the world in important areas like health care, broadband, and scooter ownership. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: or, as one might say, I need more scooterzzzz. |
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tcohen |
you don't have dulce de leche either |
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druthb |
scooooooterzorz! |
| 13:06 |
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oleonard |
I CAN HAZ SCOOTERZZZ PLZZZ?! |
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druthb |
More scooters also makes it *safer* for scooters, motorcycles, and bicycles. People will get used to watching for smaller chariots. |
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marcelr |
no scooters plzzz on the bike path |
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druthb |
Cheap to insure, cheap to operate…The only people who lose out with more-scooters is the big oil companies... |
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marcelr |
what about a bike? |
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* tcohen |
is ashamed he loves his car |
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* druthb |
would never do that, marcelr, unless walking her scooter if the engine had quit. |
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marcelr |
you should see holland |
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druthb |
Bikes are good if your city is compact enough for that. Houston is not. |
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druthb |
There are several cPanelers who live close enough to bike, and they do. |
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marcelr |
:) |
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druthb |
I live about 11.5 km from work. Far enough that a bike ride would be longish, even if I didn't have to ride on a super-busy street. But easy-peasy, on a scooter. |
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marcelr |
11 km is not that much for a bike though |
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marcelr |
25 minutes |
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jcamins |
I don't think I'd want to bike in 100 degree heat, though. |
| 13:20 |
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marcelr |
fahrenheit i suppose :) |
| 13:20 |
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marcelr |
have to calculate that to celsius |
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marcelr |
we should have it in koha |
| 13:22 |
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marcelr |
jcamins: send a message to dev about the encodings |
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druthb |
It's not that far, no, but the traffic— no. Four lanes each way, major-major street, 50 km/hr speed limit. Not safe for bicycles, at all. |
| 13:22 |
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marcelr |
yeah in our country biking is much safer |
| 13:23 |
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tcohen |
marcelr++ # for starting the UTF-8 handling wiki page |
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druthb |
Around here, in residential neighborhoods, and parks, that's about the only place it's safe to ride a bicycle. |
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marcelr |
tcohen++ #utf8 work |
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kf |
oleonard++ :) |
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kf |
bye :) |
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tcohen |
houston, we have problemzz |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
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tcohen |
client denied by server configuration: /home/tomas/Work/PSI/Koha/koha-community-src/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/marc21_field_006.xml |
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tcohen |
the "client denied" thingz... |
| 13:52 |
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tcohen |
means bug 9812 broke it |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9812 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Several files shouldn't be exposed or browseable through a URL |
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tcohen |
which is strange, because I don't know what doez apache have to do with a .pl script being forbidden accezz to an xml file in the filesystemz |
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jcamins |
tcohen: works for me. |
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tcohen |
tried using the value builder for 006? |
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jcamins |
Just did, yeah. |
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tcohen |
did u re-run the install? (so that Deny from all sentence gets included?) |
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jcamins |
Oh, wait. |
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jcamins |
I don't use Apache. |
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tcohen |
hehe |
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tcohen |
can anyone using apache, on a new dev/standard install confirm this problem? |
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tcohen |
jcamins, we could revert that patch, or add an "Allow from 127.0.0.1" line |
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jcamins |
tcohen: wait... we request the XML from the web server? |
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tcohen |
that's what i0m not understanding actualy |
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tcohen |
looks like the cgi script is forbidden access to the XML... which is rare as the templates are also forbidden... |
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tcohen |
marc21_field_006.pl seems to just read from the filesystem |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that's what it looks like to me too. |
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tcohen |
*but* unless the allow from localhost thing, it doesn't work |
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jcamins |
oleonard: are you planning to address relator term codes and rebase bug 8661 for 3.14? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8661 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , break out additional authors in opac like in staff |
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oleonard |
I was hoping to. Why? |
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jcamins |
I was asked if that was likely to go into Koha at some point. |
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jcamins |
I said "yes, I think so." |
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jcamins |
But I wanted to confirm. |
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samuel |
hi everybody |
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samuel |
i've a problem: i've this message "local use recorded" when i scan a barcode |
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jcamins |
samuel: that means the book wasn't checked out. |
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samuel |
it's for all books |
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jcamins |
Sounds like you need to train your circ librarians to check books out to patrons. |
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samuel |
oups, i don't really understand. Is it a parameter which could be the source of the problem? |
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jcamins |
What is the problem? |
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wahanui |
i think the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
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jcamins |
"Local use recorded" means that Koha is recording a local use on the item. |
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jcamins |
If it is an item that was supposed to have been circulated, the problem is that your circ staff didn't check the book out to the patron. |
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oleonard |
samuel: You see the message for books which were checked out? |
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samuel |
each time i scan a barcode, there is this message |
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jcamins |
samuel: if the "problem" is just that you don't want to record local uses, your options are to either not scan items in when they don't need to be or disable RecordLocalUseOnReturn. However, I still have no idea what the problem is. |
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oleonard |
jcamins: The problem is he sees the message when checking in items which were checked out. |
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oleonard |
It should only display for items which were not checked out as I understand it. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: okay, so we're sure the items were checked out? |
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jcamins |
That was not clear to me. |
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samuel |
RecordLocalUseOnReturn is disabled |
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jcamins |
Hm. That feature works correctly for me, so I can't tell you what the problem is. |
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oleonard |
Me too samuel. What version are you using? |
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samuel |
3.10.04 |
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jcamins |
And you get the local usage message when you are checking books in or checking books out? |
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jcamins |
It just occurred to me, it could be that your patrons are marked as statistical. |
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cait |
\waves |
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reiveune |
bye |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I have a question for you about your library's circ workflow. |
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oleonard |
Sure |
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jcamins |
How do you make sure that all the books a patron leaves with are actually checked out? |
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oleonard |
We don't. |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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jcamins |
You have a fairly busy library, so it seems like it would be easy to have a barcode mis-scan and not notice. |
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oleonard |
We can't afford to implement any kind of RFID security system or whatever. |
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jcamins |
I wasn't thinking about intentional theft. More about high volumes of circ and inadvertant slips. |
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oleonard |
I figure the issue is basically the same. |
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jcamins |
I was asked about some sort of modal dialog that forces the circ person to acknowledge that a barcode doesn't exist. |
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jcamins |
I'm not sure how I feel about that. |
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cait |
grr tablet thinks keyboard should be english |
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oleonard |
There are other circ operations which block subsequent scans until something has been acknowledged |
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cait |
that limits my vocabulary |
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jcamins |
There are? |
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cait |
so maybe we would onlz need to change the tzpe of the message_ |
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oleonard |
Yes, including some which I disagree with. I wonder if I can remember what they are... |
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jcamins |
Oh, like checking a book that is already checked out to Patron A to Patron B. |
| 15:35 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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oleonard |
Actually what I most disagree with is that we handle different cases differently UI-wise. Sometimes the barcode form is disabled, sometimes it is hidden |
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cait |
it is_ |
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cait |
no idea where the questionmark is now |
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jcamins |
Poor cait. No more touch typing. |
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cait |
i can, but it will look funnz >( |
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cait |
smiling smilez at the end there |
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oleonard |
Lucky for you we're adding zzz to everything today anyway ;) |
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jcamins |
Yup. |
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cait |
zeah |
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jcamins |
So you'll fit right in. |
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cait |
onlz the smilezs are a bit sad |
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cait |
its onlz the chat program.... must be a bug |
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jcamins |
You know what would be nice? |
| 15:39 |
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jcamins |
Using a TT filter for the "Please confirm" dialog. |
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oleonard |
How would that work? |
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rambutan |
@seen khall |
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huginn |
rambutan: khall was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 19 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <khall> magnuse: we finally opened the bag of chocolates from you last night. They were most excellent! |
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jcamins |
[% IF whatever %][% PROCESS pleaseconfirm %]message...[% END %][% END %] |
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jcamins |
The idea being that the title and buttons should be consistent and only the message in the center changes. |
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oleonard |
Those buttons usually come with lots of hidden form fields |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
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jcamins |
Not so consistent as I thought. |
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jcamins |
Oh well. |
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cait |
nice trz >( |
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rambutan |
@later tell khall plz ping me when you get a chance |
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huginn |
rambutan: The operation succeeded. |
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oleonard |
jcamins: I wonder if we could do pagination bars better through TT? Right now some are built in Output.pm |
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jcamins |
oleonard: probably could. |
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jcamins |
At the very least, we could have a block that does the markup. |
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cait |
oh oleonard |
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wahanui |
oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
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oleonard |
We'd have to pass in the URL somehow jcamins |
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cait |
have zou sen the bug about the doubled up pagination on... order receive i think_ |
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jcamins |
Sure. |
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cait |
i filed it, but it|s not template but acq i think |
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jcamins |
You'd pass an array of page number => URL to the block. |
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cait |
actuallz i am reallz reallz pleased that someone is pazing zou for fixing up acq |
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cait |
wide smiling smilez |
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jcamins |
Wrong window. :P |
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cait |
ugh |
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cait |
i will need a new chat app eventuallz |
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jcamins |
Something like this: [% searchpagination | FILTER paginator %] |
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oleonard |
I don't see that bug cait |
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jcamins |
And searchpagination would look like: { '1' => url1, '2' => url2, .. '5' => url5, '32' => url32 } |
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cait |
oleonard: i will trz to find it |
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druthb |
cait, are zou having kezboard issues? |
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cait |
zes |
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cait |
touch tzping on an english kezboard... |
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cait |
accidentallz |
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druthb |
heh. Stuff in the wrong place? |
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cait |
tablet |
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cait |
its onlz this app... all others are ok, so not the settings >* |
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druthb |
>.< |
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cait |
that was a sad smilez |
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druthb |
aww |
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cait |
oleaonard bug 10044 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Doubled up paging on order receive |
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oleonard |
Oh yeah cait I did see that. I was discouraged by the fact that I would have to add so many orders to test it :( |
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* oleonard |
is acquisitions-lazy |
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rambutan |
I need to acquire some grub. |
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cait |
oleonard: mazbe use the staged import |
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cait |
lots of order lines reallz fast |
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oleonard |
Oh that's a good idea, I forgot about that option |
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cait |
back :) |
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cait |
and I can type smileys again! |
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druthb |
:D and the y key! |
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cait |
yep :) |
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druthb |
:) yay! |
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cait |
one of the library schools here now offers 'library computer science' |
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cait |
that's a bit late - but still awesome :) |
| 18:16 |
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cait |
gmcharlt, jcamins, druthb: should we vote on translation manager next meeting? |
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jcamins |
cait: I have no objection. |
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cait |
it's not on the agenda yet: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eting,_7_May_2013 |
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cait |
brb |
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gmcharlt |
cait: unless it looks like it's going to be contest, I have no objection to voting then |
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gmcharlt |
*contested |
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jcamins |
ie-- |
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cait |
gmcharlt: contest? |
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gmcharlt |
cait: contested |
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jcamins |
cait: if more than one person wants the role. |
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cait |
maybe someone else should put it on the agenda :) |
| 18:36 |
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cait |
becasue I am confused now |
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gmcharlt |
cait: I'll do so in a bit |
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cait |
thank you |
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cait |
I asked ruth - she is ok with voting too |
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druthb |
dooooo eeeeet |
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tcohen |
so, thre's a bot that uses too much the letter z |
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tcohen |
"sir plzz tell me how to download koha |
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tcohen |
explain sir plzz" |
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maximep |
hey guys, a quesiton about the RDA marc21 framework. I don't understand why the sql at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rks#RDA_Framework doesnt seem to have the field I see on http://www.loc.gov/marc/RDAinMARC.html |
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maximep |
but I admin I know pretty much nothing about that stuff :/ |
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cait |
which fields do you miss? |
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jcamins |
maximep: it could be the field was added in an update after the framework was made. |
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maximep |
sql was uploabed by Chris in December 2012 |
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maximep |
maybe I just don't understand all that stuff |
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* jcamins |
doesn't know what field you're talking about. |
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maximep |
for exemple 377 - Associated Language (R) |
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cait |
maybe he just missed it |
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maximep |
hmmm |
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jcamins |
Probably because it is confusingly labelled and the link takes you to the authority spec. |
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cait |
aah |
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cait |
that makes sense |
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maximep |
oh, am I confusing authority and bibliographic fields ? |
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jcamins |
No, that field is valid in bibliographic records apparently, but the documentation just points you to authority records. |
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maximep |
ok |
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jcamins |
You should add the missing field(s) and upload a new framework. |
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maximep |
weird, this doc from 2009 has those fields http://www.loc.gov/marc/formatchanges-RDA.html. I think I will ask Chris directly when he comes by |
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jcamins |
I'm sure he just overlooked them. |
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jcamins |
As RDA is entirely useless, one wouldn't want to spend a whole lot of time on that. |
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magnuse |
lol |
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maximep |
good to know |
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magnuse |
maybe we should use more marc? |
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cait |
more marc? |
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cait |
hm |
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magnuse |
we should use more marc |
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wahanui |
http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800 |
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jcamins |
should we use more marc? |
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jcamins |
There it is. |
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jcamins |
:) |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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cait |
you have to make a serious face when saying it |
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cait |
more marc |
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cait |
hm. |
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cait |
we should use more marc |
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wahanui |
http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800 |
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cait |
ah |
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jcamins |
Actually, I would object to RDA even if we weren't using MARC. |
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jcamins |
Ditto FRBR. |
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tcohen |
so, we now have to wrap 'open' to test for BOM first :-P |
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jcamins |
tcohen: actually, I was planning on ignoring the issue. |
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jcamins |
Patches are welcome, of course, but the solution to that particular problem is "don't open your CSVs in Excel." |
| 19:16 |
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cait |
tcohen, khall: i can reproduce the fine weirdnesson master |
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khall |
what bug number was that cait? |
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cait |
not sure might be a new bug once I am done |
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cait |
i found it testing 10030 |
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tcohen |
ouch |
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cait |
now trying to investigate more |
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khall |
I see, keep at it! |
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cait |
hm interesting |
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wahanui |
somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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cait |
do we calculate fines on return now? |
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cait |
by force? |
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khall |
usually bad |
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khall |
cait, yes |
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cait |
can you switch that off? |
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khall |
I don't believe so |
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cait |
that's bad. |
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jcamins |
That's a bit of a massive oversight. |
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khall |
if the fine is up-to-date then the recalculation shouldn't do anything |
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khall |
why is that? |
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cait |
because it's a major workflow change |
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cait |
libraries might have patrons pay the fine before returning the book |
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cait |
or something like that |
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khall |
you should still be running fines.pl nightly |
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cait |
or there might be a reason you turn off the fines cronjob |
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khall |
it was a necessary addition for hourly loans |
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cait |
hm, wonder if finesmode turns it off |
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khall |
it should still respect finesmod |
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cait |
well maybe it should only do hourly calculations then |
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khall |
why? |
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jcamins |
It's definitely a necessary feature, but it should be possible to disable, since it does change the way that fines function. |
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jcamins |
The most obvious place where it's a problem would be if you run your cronjob at an odd time in order to change when fines accrue. |
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* cait |
nods |
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khall |
jcamins: can you describe a real world situation like that? I'm having a hard time thinking of one. |
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jcamins |
khall: I can. |
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jcamins |
It's the workaround for dropbox mode not working the same as in... |
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jcamins |
Horizon? |
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wahanui |
i think Horizon is proprietary software. |
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jcamins |
The ILS used by public libraries. |
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khall |
how does it work in horizon? |
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jcamins |
Bug 5644. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5644 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED FIXED, dropbox mode doesn't set the correct date |
| 19:23 |
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jcamins |
I think it's Horizon. |
| 19:24 |
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jcamins |
Drop box mode will charge only the fines that were owed yesterday. |
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khall |
that's how Koha's dropbox mode works, right? |
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jcamins |
I was under the impression it did not, no. |
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jcamins |
Though that may have been fixed. |
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cait |
khall: I think itmight not be ok to do that |
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khall |
hm, I was under the impression that is did! What behavior is dropbox mode expected to have? |
| 19:25 |
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cait |
because if the fine does not show in the patron account... it should not suddenly appear at the circ desk |
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jcamins |
5644 says RESOLVED-FIXED. |
| 19:25 |
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jcamins |
I thought all dropbox mode in Koha did was back-date the checkin. |
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cait |
jcamins: it used to do that yes |
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khall |
backdate, which causes the fine to be re-calculated |
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khall |
iirc |
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cait |
i remember rangi argueing on some bug about that |
| 19:27 |
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cait |
this is seriously borked |
| 19:27 |
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cait |
or not |
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cait |
it seems to respect finesmode at least |
| 19:27 |
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cait |
now I stil have to find out how I ended up with credit |
| 19:27 |
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cait |
and still thinking this new behaviour needs documentation |
| 19:28 |
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cait |
if a library has just turned off the cronjob |
| 19:28 |
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cait |
and didn't disable the pref |
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khall |
it should be lowering the fine amount on recalculation |
| 19:28 |
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cait |
they will suddenly have a lot of fines everywhere |
| 19:28 |
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khall |
maybe it's gone screwy, perhaps someone made a number negative when it should be positive or visa versa |
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tcohen |
cait: we should have unit tests that express the desired behaviour |
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khall |
this is why I'm rewriting the accounts system ; ) |
| 19:29 |
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tcohen |
several things were working while the Calendar wasn't, so i'm not suprised this errors arise |
| 19:31 |
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cait |
ugh |
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cait |
now it stopped doing it |
| 19:31 |
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cait |
koha!! |
| 19:31 |
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tcohen |
memcached sysprefs? |
| 19:31 |
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jcamins |
Probably changing finesmode? |
| 19:31 |
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cait |
tcohen: not using memcache |
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cait |
but thx for providing hints |
| 19:31 |
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cait |
I did set it back to calculate |
| 19:34 |
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jcamins |
Just a reminder for those around that string freeze is next Wednesday. |
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cait |
thx jcamins |
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cait |
khall: ook |
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cait |
I switched finesmode off an don... and now it doesn't work |
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cait |
at all |
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cait |
it's not calculating |
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cait |
but it did before |
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cait |
khall: don't hide! :) |
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khall |
hmm |
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khall |
you mean it's not calculating when you run fines.pl? |
| 19:41 |
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cait |
it doesn't calculate the fine now on return |
| 19:41 |
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cait |
no I mean it did calculate the fine exactly once |
| 19:41 |
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cait |
and now it doesn't |
| 19:41 |
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khall |
if finesmode is off, it shouldn't, right? |
| 19:41 |
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cait |
it's on |
| 19:42 |
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khall |
I'm confused ; ) |
| 19:42 |
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cait |
so am i |
| 19:42 |
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jcamins |
khall: new problem. :) |
| 19:43 |
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khall |
: )= |
| 19:44 |
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cait |
ok |
| 19:44 |
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cait |
I thik it'*s a matter of cheating when testing |
| 19:44 |
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cait |
it works exactly once |
| 19:45 |
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cait |
check out the item backdated - return - fine recalculates |
| 19:45 |
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cait |
pay fine - do the same again - no fine |
| 19:46 |
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cait |
it works once you use a new patron |
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| 19:48 |
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khall |
ugh, it's probably seeing the old fine and saying "The fines already there, I don't need to update it" |
| 19:48 |
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cait |
i guess so |
| 19:48 |
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khall |
that sounds very familiar |
| 19:49 |
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cait |
i am trying to find out if that woudl be a problem in a real life setting |
| 19:49 |
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khall |
sure it would be. Anyone who checks out a book more than once but returned it late the first time. |
| 19:49 |
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cait |
hmm |
| 19:50 |
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cait |
i wonder if it's aproblem because I am doing it on the same day - which would not be possible without a time machine |
| 19:50 |
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rangi |
Morning |
| 19:50 |
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wahanui |
Morning is a state of cat |
| 19:50 |
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cait |
i have to find an older checkout |
| 19:50 |
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khall |
cait: I think your on to something |
| 19:50 |
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cait |
morning rangi |
| 19:50 |
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rangi |
It should check date too so yes |
| 19:50 |
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khall |
it's based on the description which has the due date/time in it |
| 19:50 |
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khall |
same day = same due date/time = ignored |
| 19:51 |
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khall |
in that case, not a real world problem. |
| 19:51 |
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cait |
ok |
| 19:51 |
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cait |
that's good then |
| 19:51 |
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cait |
I still have to figure out how I got the credit |
| 19:51 |
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khall |
again, my new account system will fix that ; ) |
| 19:51 |
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cait |
oh i think i know |
| 19:51 |
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khall |
No more identifying fines by the description |
| 19:51 |
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cait |
it recalculated |
| 19:51 |
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cait |
with my new configuration |
| 19:51 |
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khall |
unique ids! unique ids everywhere! |
| 19:51 |
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cait |
I had that book checked out in the past - with a higher fine applying |
| 19:51 |
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cait |
then for testing this |
| 19:52 |
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cait |
I changed the configuration and added a maxfine that was much lower than before |
| 19:52 |
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cait |
and then... when I returned... I got a credit for the difference |
| 19:52 |
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cait |
and now we now why calculating on return can turn out really bad |
| 19:53 |
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cait |
hm but that would be a problem with fines.pl too I guess |
| 19:53 |
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khall |
yup |
| 19:53 |
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cait |
fines is giving me headaches |
| 19:53 |
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khall |
it's just delayed by a few hours |
| 19:53 |
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khall |
any changes to fine rules must be retroactive to open checkouts |
| 19:53 |
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rangi |
Fine on return needs to be able to be disabled |
| 19:53 |
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khall |
I can't imagine a way around that |
| 19:54 |
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rangi |
As an aside |
| 19:54 |
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rangi |
Because it doesn't fit the workflow of many libraries |
| 19:54 |
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khall |
that's how this convo began ; ) |
| 19:54 |
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cait |
well, we got the third vote for a syspref now |
| 19:54 |
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cait |
mine, jcamins and rangi |
| 19:54 |
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cait |
I am filing a bug |
| 19:54 |
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rangi |
Cool well let me restate it does |
| 19:55 |
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khall |
it's necessary for the hourly loans, and we could just fix it by only calculating fines on return for hourly loans |
| 19:55 |
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khall |
no need for a syspref then, |
| 19:55 |
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khall |
no way to mess up the configuration by accident |
| 19:55 |
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cait |
rangi: what do you think? |
| 19:55 |
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rangi |
That would be slower and more error prone than a syspref |
| 19:56 |
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rangi |
I'll add the syspref if no one else does |
| 19:56 |
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cait |
maybe have a pref: not at all, only hourly, all |
| 19:56 |
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rangi |
Yep |
| 19:56 |
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cait |
i am filing the bug |
| 19:56 |
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khall |
I don't see how that would be slower and more error prone, can you explain? |
| 19:56 |
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rangi |
How do you know it was an hourly loan on return |
| 19:56 |
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khall |
i guess you'd have to pull the rule |
| 19:57 |
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rangi |
Exactly |
| 19:57 |
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rangi |
Slower |
| 19:57 |
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khall |
or you could just look at the due date and assume anything due at 23:59 is non hourly |
| 19:57 |
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rangi |
Eww god no |
| 19:57 |
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khall |
which would make the non-syspref way *more* fast |
| 19:57 |
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khall |
lol |
| 19:57 |
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rangi |
Magic numbers are a horrible idea |
| 19:58 |
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khall |
however, with the syspref, if a library uses hourly loans and disables the fines-on-return they won't get fines on the hourly loans |
| 19:58 |
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jcamins |
23:59 is a real time, which means it is a valid time for something to be due, and using magic numbers always causes problems down the line. |
| 19:58 |
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rangi |
Serves them right then |
| 19:58 |
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cait |
bug 10120 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10120 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Fine recalculation on return needs to be a system preference |
| 19:59 |
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rangi |
I prefer that to breaking the workflow of existing koha users |
| 19:59 |
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jcamins |
Add a note to the hourly loans syspref saying "you must enable whatever if you want to charge fines on hourly loans." |
| 19:59 |
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khall |
hasn't it been like this for a number of releases now? When was hourly added? |
| 19:59 |
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rangi |
Yes and it sux and annoys patrons |
| 20:00 |
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khall |
or we could add a flag to the issues table to say 'this is hourly' or 'this is daily', but that's even more involved. |
| 20:00 |
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rangi |
3.8 |
| 20:00 |
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cait |
khall: it's more involved |
| 20:00 |
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cait |
but long term we should do just that |
| 20:00 |
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cait |
i hate that we display 23:59 |
| 20:00 |
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cait |
it's confusing for 100% of our libraries as they don't have any need for hourly loans |
| 20:01 |
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cait |
we should not display times for daily loans. |
| 20:01 |
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khall |
we could strip out the time if it's 23:59, but that's again using a 'magic number' which doesn't seem to fly here |
| 20:01 |
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cait |
also we could have real 'neverending' loans with a marker that way |
| 20:01 |
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khall |
so yeah, I think the idea of having the issue flagged as hourly or daily is the way to go |
| 20:01 |
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rangi |
It shouldn't ever fly anywhere |
| 20:01 |
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khall |
rangi: what do you think of that solution? |
| 20:01 |
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rangi |
I'm still adding a syspref |
| 20:02 |
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rangi |
But that would allow it to be trinary |
| 20:02 |
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rangi |
None, hourly, all |
| 20:02 |
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cait |
and hate was maybe strong... |
| 20:02 |
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cait |
but even horizon didn't do that |
| 20:02 |
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cait |
:) |
| 20:03 |
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khall |
I think for hourly it should always be forced, otherwise the circ rules don't function correctly. |
| 20:03 |
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rangi |
Only if you fine |
| 20:03 |
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khall |
right, but *if* you fine, it should just work |
| 20:04 |
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khall |
it would make it all more user-friendly, don't you think? |
| 20:04 |
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rangi |
Unless you don't want it to |
| 20:04 |
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rangi |
@quote get 123 |
| 20:04 |
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wahanui |
http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 20:04 |
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huginn |
rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 20:04 |
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khall |
if you don't want it to, you just set the fine amount to 0 |
| 20:04 |
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drojf |
i would try bug 10111 but i fail to understand how to group baskets?! i have baskets for a vendor, but when i open the add basket group tab "ungrouped baskets" is empty |
| 20:04 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10111 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Layout on basket summary page a bit inconsistent |
| 20:04 |
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rangi |
No you might want it to fine with the cron job job |
| 20:04 |
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tcohen |
hey rangi, I told that guyz to download a livecdz and don't bother here |
| 20:05 |
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rangi |
Good plan |
| 20:05 |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
| 20:05 |
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tcohen |
(true story) |
| 20:05 |
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khall |
the cronjob would have to run every minute, then, right? |
| 20:05 |
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cait |
drojf: go to the vendor page |
| 20:06 |
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cait |
check for the basket groups page |
| 20:06 |
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cait |
there should be a new button somewhere there |
| 20:06 |
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cait |
and then drag and drop them |
| 20:06 |
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rangi |
No they might only level fines at the end of the day but you get fined the amount you are overdue |
| 20:06 |
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* khall |
waves his white flag |
| 20:06 |
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cait |
don't trie in internet explorer... but it's unlikely you would do that, right? |
| 20:06 |
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jcamins |
drojf: then bang your head on the desk until acq stops hurting. |
| 20:06 |
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cait |
jcamins: tsk |
| 20:06 |
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drojf |
cait: that is where i am. i have that basket group |
| 20:06 |
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cait |
don't dicourage a nice tester! |
| 20:06 |
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drojf |
i just cant add anything |
| 20:07 |
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jcamins |
cait: I'm trying to help him survive! |
| 20:07 |
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drojf |
because no baskets are shown |
| 20:07 |
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cait |
ok, oyu have the screen with 2 columns |
| 20:07 |
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drojf |
lol @ ie |
| 20:07 |
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rangi |
You could kindly the 2 sysprefs |
| 20:07 |
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cait |
ah |
| 20:07 |
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rangi |
Lol link |
| 20:07 |
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khall |
rangi: but if the item is checked out, goes overdue, and is returned before fines.pl is run, it doesn't get a fine. |
| 20:07 |
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cait |
did you close your baskets? |
| 20:07 |
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khall |
right? |
| 20:07 |
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cait |
you can only add closed baskets |
| 20:07 |
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drojf |
AH! |
| 20:07 |
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rangi |
Right |
| 20:07 |
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drojf |
how would i know? :D |
| 20:07 |
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drojf |
ok thanks |
| 20:07 |
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khall |
that's the problem to me |
| 20:07 |
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drojf |
will try |
| 20:07 |
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cait |
drojf: because you asked me? :) |
| 20:08 |
|
* drojf |
wonders what that function is for at all… |
| 20:08 |
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cait |
sending out composed pdf orders |
| 20:08 |
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cait |
i mean group the orders, make one pdf |
| 20:08 |
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drojf |
i see |
| 20:08 |
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rangi |
Acqui is next for a rewrite |
| 20:08 |
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drojf |
i think i'll take some of the head/desk thingy jcamins recommended ;) |
| 20:09 |
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* khall |
lowers his white flag and hoists his jolly roger! |
| 20:09 |
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khall |
well, it's time for me to run. Later all! |
| 20:09 |
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rangi |
A library asked me on Tuesday why does acqui get worse each release |
| 20:09 |
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cait |
bye khall |
| 20:09 |
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khall |
bye cait! |
| 20:09 |
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cait |
rangi: ouch |
| 20:09 |
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cait |
did they tell you what they hate? |
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| 20:09 |
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rangi |
It's true though |
| 20:10 |
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cait |
hm for our libraries it's the opposite, but it might be a question of workflow |
| 20:10 |
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cait |
france/germany might be similar insane :) |
| 20:10 |
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rangi |
Funds and budgets are backwards |
| 20:10 |
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cait |
yeah i agree with that |
| 20:10 |
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rangi |
You can't roll over |
| 20:10 |
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rangi |
The plus thing sux |
| 20:11 |
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drojf |
at least the basket grouping is fancy with the draggy and the droppy :D |
| 20:11 |
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cait |
you could program that... but because the structure is not well, it might get really difficult |
| 20:11 |
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rangi |
There's hours worth |
| 20:11 |
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cait |
i would encourage them to write it down |
| 20:11 |
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cait |
mailing list |
| 20:11 |
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wahanui |
mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 20:11 |
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cait |
bugzilla |
| 20:11 |
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wahanui |
well, bugzilla is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org |
| 20:11 |
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rangi |
I wouldn't |
| 20:11 |
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cait |
lol thx wahanui |
| 20:12 |
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rangi |
Because that would just be disheartening |
| 20:12 |
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jcamins |
Automatic rollover is probably hopeless, but it seems to me that making it possible to change the fund/budget at receive might make it vaguely less painful when the new fiscal year starts. |
| 20:12 |
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rangi |
My stop brb |
| 20:12 |
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cait |
jcamins: it woudl be hard, but not hopeless I think, you'd probably have to do a mapping |
| 20:13 |
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cait |
have a page with old and new funds... and let the library map them |
| 20:13 |
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cait |
and then roll over |
| 20:13 |
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jcamins |
ie-- |
| 20:13 |
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rangi |
You'd have to start again |
| 20:13 |
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cait |
or do start again |
| 20:13 |
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rangi |
Cos its shit |
| 20:13 |
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jcamins |
Exactly. Rollover would require a clean slate and sane structures. |
| 20:13 |
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rangi |
And fails audits |
| 20:13 |
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cait |
but even then, if the structure of funds changed between years, roll over would run into problems |
| 20:14 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, but you wouldn't start out with an impossible-to-reconcile mess. |
| 20:14 |
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cait |
hm I thik that is a bit late now |
| 20:14 |
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jcamins |
I know. |
| 20:14 |
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jcamins |
But isn't it a glorious thought? |
| 20:14 |
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cait |
i mean we should have worried about that when it was sitting in the 3.0 to be master |
| 20:14 |
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cait |
before release |
| 20:14 |
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cait |
but noone did |
| 20:15 |
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rangi |
It's not too late |
| 20:15 |
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cait |
no, but it requires work |
| 20:16 |
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rangi |
You don't keep fixing a pile of crap you start again |
| 20:17 |
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rangi |
It's a massive waste of everyone's time otherwise |
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cait |
but who will fund a complete rewrite? |
| 20:18 |
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cait |
and how will libraries using it now be moved over? |
| 20:18 |
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rangi |
And don't talk to me about 3.0 as if we had any control over it |
| 20:18 |
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cait |
it's like search rewrite... only more difficult |
| 20:18 |
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rangi |
Way way way less difficult |
| 20:19 |
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cait |
rangi: sorry |
| 20:19 |
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rangi |
Acquisition isn't hard we just made it be |
| 20:19 |
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cait |
I was quite new around here back then |
| 20:19 |
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rangi |
Libraries who like retarded acqui can use the current system |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
Others can switch at the financial year |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
Clean break |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
Tge |
| 20:21 |
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cait |
tge= |
| 20:21 |
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cait |
? |
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* jcamins |
waves to gglitch. |
| 20:22 |
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jcamins |
You can just go ahead and ask your question. |
| 20:22 |
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gglitch |
Hi jcamins :) |
| 20:22 |
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* jcamins |
curses IE. |
| 20:22 |
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jcamins |
The tab key stopped working. |
| 20:22 |
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jcamins |
Why do I use IE? |
| 20:23 |
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jeff |
jcamins: interop testing? |
| 20:23 |
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jcamins |
jeff: yep. |
| 20:23 |
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jcamins |
Exactly. |
| 20:23 |
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jcamins |
It still makes me miserable. |
| 20:23 |
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gglitch |
Howdy. Enthusiastic novice here. I've just inherited a Koha 3.0.4 installation on an Ubuntu 10.04 server. Am I better off trying to upgrade both Ubuntu and Koha, or freshly installing each, and figuring out how to migrate my data? |
| 20:23 |
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jcamins |
The Koha upgrade is easy. |
| 20:24 |
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jeff |
there was an hn thread earlier today discussing the proper naming of the one css file that contains all your dirty hacks. original suggestion was shame.css, someone suggested guilt.css, third person chimed in "i've been doing this for years. mine's called ie8.css" |
| 20:24 |
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jcamins |
You can just copy your data from the old server to the new server, run the upgrade script, and after a few... minutes/hours/days... it'll be upgraded. |
| 20:24 |
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jcamins |
I tend not to upgrade my servers' OSes. |
| 20:24 |
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jcamins |
jeff: lol |
| 20:26 |
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gglitch |
@jcamins Thanks very much. Does copying my data just mean moving the database over? |
| 20:26 |
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huginn |
gglitch: downloading the Perl source |
| 20:29 |
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jcamins |
Jeez, lag! |
| 20:29 |
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rangi |
gglitch: 3.0.4 is really really old |
| 20:29 |
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rangi |
so i would do a couple of upgrades |
| 20:29 |
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rangi |
not try and go all the way from 3.0.x to 3.10.x (or 3.12.x depending on when you start) |
| 20:30 |
|
* jcamins |
heads home. |
| 20:30 |
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jcamins |
So long, #koha. |
| 20:31 |
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gglitch |
Thanks jcamins. Rangi, thank you too - but this is easier than migrating data to a fresh install? |
| 20:31 |
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gglitch |
The Koha page seems pretty adamant that Koha should no longer be used on anything older than Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 20:33 |
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rangi |
gglitch: not easier |
| 20:33 |
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rangi |
but if you do a couple of thousand db updates in one go |
| 20:34 |
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rangi |
i bet you will miss the 3 that failed |
| 20:34 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 20:34 |
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rangi |
(couple of thousand is an exaggeration its probably a couple of hundred) |
| 20:34 |
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gglitch |
Forgive my newbness, but you're referring to whatever process would hook a new installation of Koha up to the current installation's data store? |
| 20:35 |
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gglitch |
Or translate that data store to the format/version required by the new Koha? |
| 20:37 |
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tcohen |
gglitch: do u like the umbillical bros? |
| 20:37 |
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gglitch |
I |
| 20:38 |
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gglitch |
m interpreting that as a joke about the infantile state of my knowledge. I'm googling frantically. |
| 20:38 |
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gglitch |
The, ah, fetal state of my sysadmin skills. |
| 20:38 |
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tcohen |
there was a joke on a show, "I think there was a g-glitch" |
| 20:39 |
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chris_n |
gglitch: sorry I missed you, but I see you found your way over here anyway |
| 20:39 |
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gglitch |
Don't know that show, but from now on, Max Headroom is my primary inspiration as a librarian. |
| 20:39 |
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rangi |
gglitch: thats right |
| 20:39 |
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gglitch |
Thanks chris_n :) |
| 20:39 |
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tcohen |
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/[…]thers_gli_glitch/ |
| 20:40 |
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tcohen |
sorry gglitch, it was just a bad joke |
| 20:42 |
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gglitch |
tcohen - funny video. Never heard of the umbilical brothers :) |
| 20:43 |
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tcohen |
you have to see the speedmouse show then :-D |
| 20:45 |
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gglitch |
This is hysterical |
| 20:46 |
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tcohen |
its a synonim for good or for bad? |
| 20:48 |
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gglitch |
I'm just saying it's funny :) |
| 20:50 |
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gglitch |
K so but seriously. I have to make sense of this Koha business. I haven't found an easy way to migrate data from an outdated Koha installation to a new one. Any pointers, before I dive back into the nets? |
| 20:50 |
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gglitch |
(pun acknowledged but not intended) |
| 20:52 |
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rangi |
gglitch: id start with a new server |
| 20:52 |
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rangi |
running a recent debian or ubuntu lts |
| 20:53 |
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rangi |
install koha via packages load the data in, and do a ton of testing |
| 20:53 |
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rangi |
bbiab |
| 20:54 |
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gglitch |
Thanks rangi! |
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drojf |
wouldn't it be fun to have koha create an XMPP account for each patron on a local server? we could use it in a social-networky way and have a local »librarybook« network. |
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cait |
night all |
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wahanui |
goodnight cait. You'll be back. |
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rangi |
drojf: i did that once |
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rangi |
but before xmpp |
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rangi |
with AIM |
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rangi |
then i started converting my bot to jabber |
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rangi |
https://github.com/ranginui/kohabot |
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rangi |
i think my screenshots were on a evil blog |
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drojf |
rangi: that's cool! |
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rangi |
it was pre ils-di |
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rangi |
and pre svc/ |
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rangi |
so it would be easier to do now |
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drojf |
true. i like it! |
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drojf |
i was thinking about something like having your patrons get accounts automatically and be able to post stuff and chat and it shows up somewhere in koha. i don't know if i would want to chat with the co-patrons at the libraries i use but it feels crazy enough that libraries might like it :D |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
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drojf |
on a second thought, have all your items have jabber accounts. they could start spamming the users ;) |
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jcamins |
Heh. |
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drojf |
"(10:15:00) Harry Potter: I am overdue! Return me immediately!" |
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drojf |
rangi: searching from a jabber client would be nice. i'd definitely use that |
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rangi |
heh |
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rangi |
yep |
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rangi |
and renew from jabber |
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rangi |
id use that |
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drojf |
yes! |
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rangi |
random question |
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rangi |
is there a way to delete all links to authorities? |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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jcamins |
rangi: not in Koha. |
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jcamins |
Easy enough to script, though. |
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rangi |
dangit |
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rangi |
rip through and kill all the 9's ? |
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jcamins |
Either remove all authorities and run the linker with KeepStaleHeadings off and LinkerRelink on, or just delete all the $9s in 1xx, 6xx, and 7xx. |
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rangi |
ah yep |
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rangi |
removing all authorities, just delete in the db eh? |
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jcamins |
And reset the index. |
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rangi |
right |
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rangi |
ill give that a crack |
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jcamins |
BTW, strawberries were $0.79/pound! |
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rangi |
id buy 12 pound then |
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drojf |
good night #koha |
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rangi |
cya drojf |
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rangi |
also |
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rangi |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT7W8xJFl_g |
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jcamins |
So far I've bought 6lbs this week. |
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jcamins |
And chances are I'll buy more tomorrow. |
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mtompset |
If I installed a beta version of Ubuntu and the final release has been done, would a sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo do-release-upgrade be sufficient to make sure I'm using the non-beta version? |
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ibeardslee |
if you are already running the beta the do-release-upgrade isn't required |
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jcamins |
No idea, sorry. |
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ibeardslee |
I've been just running the "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to keep the updates happening. |
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ibeardslee |
Also be aware of the mirror you are using some may still be a little bit behind and may not have the absolute 'final' release yet. |
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mtompset |
Thanks for the feedback. :) |
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mtompset |
ibeardslee++ |
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mtompset |
jcamins++ # reply is better than silence. :) |
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eythian |
hi |
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eythian |
@later tell tcohen if you place a : after my name in @later tell, I'll never see your message :) |
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huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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eythian |
@later tell tcohen I also don't want to have all the languages in one package, I'd rather split them into their own. |
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huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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grubbing |
rangi or jcamins: why don't one of you write a koha chatterbot in your spare time? |
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rambutan |
http://sweetlibrarian.com/2012[…]/emma-the-catbot/ |
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rambutan |
http://mentor.patch.com/articl[…]or-public-library |
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rangi |
yeah, naw |
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rambutan |
http://oedb.org/blogs/ilibrari[…]ith-google-glass/ |
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jcamins |
Hm. If only wizzyrea were here to remind me how to figure out the freezing point of sugar solutions. |
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jcamins |
If I can make a solution that is exactly saturated, it should remain mostly liquid in my freezer. |
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eythian |
a bit of antifreeze will help too |
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tcohen |
alcohol |
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tcohen |
;) |
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jcamins |
tcohen: perfect! |
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jcamins |
Now... what proportion of alcohol is necessary... |
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eythian |
all of it, clearly |
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tcohen |
eythian, I was thinking more on 3.12 packages, which probably won't benefit from the koha-lang packages |
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tcohen |
heh eythian |
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eythian |
ah yes, I need to have a look at those patches |
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tcohen |
i halted my work on those scripts until someone takes a look |
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tcohen |
but i'll resume tomorrow |
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eythian |
I intend to, just super busy at the moment |
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tcohen |
yeah, i imagine, n orush! |
