IRC log for #koha, 2012-01-26

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00:37 librarygeekadam good evening to everyone
00:37 librarygeekadam I have a quick question if anyone can be of assistance
00:38 librarygeekadam I just installed Koha 3.06.02 on a single Ubuntu laptop following the instructions on the community page
00:38 librarygeekadam i am editing "Item Types"
00:38 librarygeekadam I am not given the option to add Renewals
00:38 librarygeekadam How many times a patron can renew an item
00:38 librarygeekadam any ideas?
00:43 librarygeekadam perhaps another question...can i revert my Koha back to the web install parts?
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00:50 Brooke o/
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01:03 Brooke magnus++
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06:14 cait hi #koha
07:18 alex_a morning cait
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07:27 cait morning alex_a :)
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07:30 magnuse good morning cait, alex_a and #koha
07:31 cait good morning magnuse :)
07:31 cait is there any reason we use different xslt for displaying itemtype images in opac and staff?
07:32 magnuse no idea
07:32 alex_a goooood morniiiing magnuse
07:32 magnuse yay!
07:32 alex_a :)
07:32 cait heh
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07:33 marcelr hi koha
07:35 cait hi marcelr :)
07:35 marcelr hi cait
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07:37 cait oh
07:37 cait a new paul_p_android incarnation :)
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07:37 cait bonjour paul_p_android
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07:37 paul_p_android hello world!
07:37 marcelr hi paul
07:37 cait__ waves
07:38 paul_p_android meetong with a future customer this morning...
07:38 cait good luck :)
07:38 magnuse yeah, good luck paul_p_android
07:39 cait work time - brb
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07:40 reiveune hello
07:40 magnuse bonjour!
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07:41 marcelr hi magnuse
07:41 marcelr & reiveune
07:41 magnuse hiya marcelr
07:42 paul_p_android marcelr. is there a chance that you come to the hackfest?
07:42 marcelr paul_p: i was still hoping, but i do not think so now ...
07:43 paul_p_android :-((
07:43 marcelr too bad
07:43 cait___ oh :-(
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07:49 magnuse @wunder boo
07:49 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0�C (8:20 AM CET on January 26, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
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07:52 magnuse windy here today - reports of up to 38 meters/second this night and more to come today...
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07:56 cait___ @wunder konstanz
07:56 huginn` cait___: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.4�C (8:54 AM CET on January 26, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady).
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08:06 magnuse the newsletter says "Koha 3.6.3 is scheduled for release on 25 January 2012." wasn't that yesterday?
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08:07 asaurat hi
08:10 cait___ translations
08:11 magnuse ?
08:12 francharb morning
08:14 marcelr hi asaurat & francharb
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08:27 kf back :)
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08:50 rangi back
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09:08 rangi marcelr: you had a question about caching?
09:09 marcelr yes, you saw bugzilla
09:09 marcelr ?
09:09 rangi yup
09:09 marcelr pref is not used?
09:09 rangi the usecache syspref is used in another bug
09:10 rangi 7243
09:10 marcelr i will look there
09:10 rangi hmm or something liket hat
09:10 rangi ill find it for ya
09:11 marcelr must be another onbe
09:11 rangi bug 7249
09:11 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7249 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Report webservices
09:12 rangi thats it
09:12 marcelr ok
09:12 rangi the env stuff was added recently, after that patch was written
09:12 rangi im not sure i like it
09:12 marcelr no it adds another approach to prefs
09:12 rangi yeah
09:14 rangi 7249 allows this
09:14 rangi http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]/svc/report?id=15
09:14 rangi and this
09:14 rangi http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]/svc/report?id=13
09:15 rangi which in turn allows you to do
09:15 rangi http://academy17.catalyst.net.[…]s/Koha/start.html
09:15 rangi with jquery
09:15 rangi (its what we had the highschool students doing)
09:15 marcelr ok
09:16 rangi </blather>
09:18 rangi also, 7248, (when its fixed) allows bug 7387
09:18 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7387 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Add Template::Toolkit plugin to allow caching of includes
09:20 magnuse is there some other development that clashes with this?
09:22 rangi hmm dont think so
09:23 magnuse ah, i misunderstood something earlier then - never mind
09:24 rangi marcelr: ill get chrisdothall to take a look at the bug tomorrow
09:24 marcelr good
09:27 rangi magnuse: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]e_Debian_packages   <-- good write up
09:28 magnuse thanks, rangi - there's probably room for improvement, but it's a start
09:29 rangi yup
09:29 magnuse and hopefully lots of people will need something like that ;-)
09:29 rangi :)
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09:50 fabio_t hi kohaphiles! :)
10:08 kf hi fabio_t
10:08 fabio_t hi there kf
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10:28 kf hi asaurat1
10:28 kf still having problems with the wifi?
10:30 asaurat1 hi kf ! no connection pb but I just had to move my laptop for a meeting =)
10:30 kf :)
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12:58 oleonard Hi #koha
13:00 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6536] Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6536>
13:00 oleonard Hey, huginn` has been updated
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13:12 kf_lunch hi oleonard - cool :)
13:19 kf_lunch gmcharlt++
13:25 marcelr huginn was confused about 6536..
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13:30 druthb o/
13:32 magnuse \o
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13:41 kf_lunch marcelr: why confused?
13:48 gmcharlt @quote random
13:48 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #144: "library_systems_guy: (xslt) looks like html and lisp had an ugly baby." (added by wizzyrea at 08:48 PM, June 30, 2011)
13:49 marcelr kf: since 6536 changed back to assigned instead of needs signoff
13:50 druthb @quote random
13:50 huginn` druthb: Quote #47: "pianohacker bah, go collision attack the front of a moving car" (added by brendan at 10:15 PM, November 16, 2009)
13:50 druthb lulz
13:51 oleonard So wait, huginn` isn't giving us the right message?
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13:51 marcelr seems so
13:52 kf_lunch when I checked it was set to sign off
13:52 kf_lunch I mean needs sign-off
13:52 marcelr it was till i changed it to assigne
13:52 kf_lunch ah
13:53 kf_lunch hm
13:53 kf_lunch perhaps it gives us bugs leaving the needs sign-off status now instead of those entering it?
13:53 marcelr should status change be done there still
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14:26 mbalmer hi, I have a printing question:  as anybody used an EPSON T M-T88 receipt printer, connected serially to a Linux machine?
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14:40 oleonard mbalmer: I've only ever used the T-1000 and I could never get it to talk to Linux. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T-1000_002.png
14:40 mbalmer ok, I see.
14:40 oleonard ;)
14:41 chris_n 3.6.3 by noon est
14:42 chris_n so why is it that after completing a transfer the item status field still shows in transit?
14:43 hdl is updated when checked in
14:45 chris_n ie. http://oi39.tinypic.com/2mma4y8.jpg
14:46 chris_n hdl: so after completing the transfer it is also necessary to check in at the branch?
14:46 hdl yep
14:47 oleonard chris_n: What did you mean by "completing the transfer?"
14:47 hdl but you'd better ask paul_p_
14:47 hdl this is what I experienced.
14:47 chris_n circ > transfer
14:47 chris_n when I attempt to check in, koha tells me its not checked out
14:47 chris_n perhaps some background will help
14:48 oleonard chris_n: check-in won't tell you that a transfer has been made, not if the book has arrived at its destination
14:48 chris_n one of our librarians check some books out while logged in under the wrong granch
14:48 chris_n branch eve
14:48 chris_n even
14:48 chris_n she later checked them in under the right branch
14:49 chris_n now each of those items shows an "in transfer" status, but they are listed in the correct location (see screenshot above)
14:49 chris_n feature or bug?
14:49 chris_n :)
14:50 oleonard Bug. Checking them in should have removed the transfer status
14:50 * chris_n wonders if this bug is in master
14:50 chris_n we're still running 3.2.x
14:51 chris_n I'll file a bug report in a few moments
14:51 chris_n I suppose I'll have to hack up some SQL to fix things in the db
14:52 chris_n tnx hdl, oleonard
14:53 hdl chris_n: no problem
14:53 mbalmer I found a CUPS driver for the ™-T88IV, but only for a different Linux distro
14:53 mbalmer no we use a windows 7 PC ;)
14:56 oleonard chris_n: I can't reproduce that in master. Checked out at Branch A, checked in a Branch B.
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15:07 wizzyrea oh yea
15:07 wizzyrea that's a known thing - 2x checkins on transits = bad
15:07 wizzyrea there's a bug for it....
15:08 wizzyrea bug 6226
15:08 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6226 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Returning a misrouted item twice causes transit to correct receiving library to disappear
15:08 * chris_n looks
15:08 wizzyrea I'd welcome a patch for that
15:08 wizzyrea NEKLS has a testing protocol for that one.
15:08 wizzyrea :P
15:08 wizzyrea easy to sign of on from here.
15:09 wizzyrea s/of/off/
15:10 chris_n wizzyrea: is that the same as what I'm seeing?
15:10 chris_n ie
15:11 wizzyrea either way, receiving a transit twice often causes weirdness
15:11 chris_n check item out at branch a
15:11 chris_n return at branch b
15:11 wizzyrea I suspect it's a variant of this
15:11 chris_n and end up with things looking as they do in my screenshot above?
15:11 wizzyrea yep
15:11 chris_n k
15:11 chris_n I'll add my notes to that bug them
15:11 chris_n along with the screamshot
15:11 chris_n oopps
15:12 chris_n screenshot
15:12 wizzyrea it either ends up with a stuck transit, or a transit that disappears and orphans the item at the wrong branch
15:12 oleonard I tried that: check item out a branch a, return at branch b... Couldn't reproduce in master.
15:12 wizzyrea hehe screamshot
15:13 wizzyrea is that on master chris_n?
15:13 wizzyrea i admit I haven't tried to reproduce that on master recently
15:13 wizzyrea but we see the "double checkin does weird stuff" thing even now on 3.6.0
15:13 wizzyrea (for transits)
15:14 chris_n no, 3.2.x
15:14 wizzyrea ah then yea
15:14 wizzyrea that bug and it's variants would be in full force. :P
15:14 * chris_n feels like doing a screamshot sometimes ;-)
15:14 wizzyrea sometimes checking out and checking in the item clears the transit - sometimes.
15:15 chris_n I'll try that
15:15 wizzyrea this bug is the reason that nekls wants a "check status" that's separate from the check in box.
15:16 wizzyrea rangi and I talked about that - the catalog would work fine for that if you could just scan a barcode and bring back exactly the item you were looking for.
15:16 wizzyrea we talked about a tickbox for "exact search"
15:16 wizzyrea in the staff client catalog
15:16 wizzyrea oh, and good morning.
15:16 chris_n interesting
15:17 wizzyrea right now our librarians often want to quickly check an item, but scanning in the barcode to search doesn't bring back the item they're looking for
15:17 wizzyrea so they use the checkin
15:17 chris_n I just checked the item out at branch b and then in at branch a and the status corrected itself
15:17 wizzyrea WOO!
15:17 wizzyrea nice :)
15:18 chris_n what a lot of work to do
15:18 wizzyrea yea
15:18 chris_n probably a dozen or more items are wrong :P
15:18 wizzyrea oh yuck.
15:18 chris_n bug_fixing++
15:18 chris_n I'll add this case to the bug
15:18 chris_n right after releasing 3.6.3, though ;-)
15:18 wizzyrea hehe
15:19 chris_n chrome application short cuts are very slick and extremely useful for anyone interested
15:19 chris_n they allow you to run multiple independent log-ins to koha under the same user account
15:20 wizzyrea *nod* did you happen to get kiosk mode working with silent printing?
15:20 chris_n w/o the chocolate chip cookies getting mixed up with the sugar cookies
15:20 wizzyrea mmm cookies.
15:20 chris_n wizzyrea: hmm.... not yet
15:20 wizzyrea ah is no biggie
15:20 wizzyrea that's something I should probably look at
15:20 wizzyrea the firefox update thing is really irritating
15:20 chris_n koha looks very slick inside an application-style window, though
15:21 wizzyrea it nukes our printer settings and header/footer settings for receipts every time it updates
15:21 wizzyrea and it updates like, every month.
15:21 chris_n eekkk
15:21 wizzyrea i'd switch us to chrome in a heartbeat
15:23 wizzyrea if only we could get kiosk silent printing :)
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15:26 * magnuse waves
15:29 druthb hi, magnus!
15:29 magnuse howdy druthb
15:30 oleonard Leave it to Internet Explorer to take a perfectly valid page and screw up the rendering
15:30 oleonard IE--
15:30 oleonard and IE 8 no less.
15:32 * oleonard wants that browser to die completely, no new version, nothing
15:34 magnuse hear, hear
15:34 * chris_n runs a final pass of the test suite before rolling up 3.6.3
15:34 magnuse woohoo!
15:34 chris_n and we're go for lift-off
15:37 magnuse chris_n++
15:38 magnuse chris_n: i hope you will be able to include norwegian bokm�l in the list of "Complete or near-complete translations" for 3.6.4 :-)
15:39 chris_n that would be great
15:40 chris_n 3.6.3 rolling up as you read this <---
15:41 hdl congrats chris_n
15:41 magnuse yeah, hooray for chris_n!
15:43 oleonard chris_n++
15:44 chris_n and you may now get it @download.kc.org
15:44 wizzyrea chris_n++
15:45 chris_n now to crow about it a bit :)
15:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #32 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: FIXED)
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15:50 chris_n done deal
15:51 * wizzyrea throws confetti
15:51 chris_n mega bug fixes
15:51 * wizzyrea puts out an array of hot, cold, bubbly, and not bubbly drinks for everyone to enjoy
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15:52 maximep haha
15:52 oleonard Aw man, I only drink lukewarm slightly-bubbly drinks
15:53 * wizzyrea gets room temperature, 30 minute old ginger ale for oleonard
15:53 druthb >.<
15:53 druthb ewwwww
15:55 maximep wizzyrea++ for making me laugh on this very bad morning
15:55 wizzyrea :D
15:58 chris_n 3.4.8 on saturday
15:58 wizzyrea I'm always glad to hadn out laughs.
15:58 wizzyrea squee!
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15:58 chris_n 3.4.8 will have mega bugfixes too
15:59 chris_n that will be a hard branch to kill
15:59 * chris_n should use the more gentle "lay to rest"
15:59 wizzyrea I think we're pretty generous in supporting 2 major releases back.
16:00 wizzyrea hdl is wise.
16:01 * magnuse starts building his packages from 3.6.3
16:03 rangi the problem with 3.4.x isnt that it's ill, it's that it is very solid
16:03 rangi if it had problems, end of life would be an easy choice :)
16:04 chris_n exactly
16:05 rangi stats out for 3.6.3, 3 patches from academy students, 2 from jransoms son connor (who is 14 .. our youngest committer yet I think)
16:05 hdl is 3.6 the one ill then ?
16:05 chris_n and barring any serious changes, it will probably stay that wy
16:05 chris_n way, even
16:05 rangi 3.6.x is solid too
16:06 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]istics-for-3-6-3/
16:07 * magnuse is a little bit worried by bug 7445 and has applied a quick-and-dirty patch for it, but has otherwise not had any complaints about 3.6.x
16:07 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7445 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Clicking on a tag gives "Language ... does not exist"
16:08 rangi magnuse: language picker so should be a TT plugin :)
16:08 rangi cached using TT caching too
16:08 oleonard sekjal wants everything in a matrix, rangi wants everything in a TT plugin
16:08 magnuse huh? i don't think this is related to the language picker
16:09 magnuse so a matrix of tt plugins = bliss
16:09 rangi nope, it just reminded me
16:09 magnuse ah, ok, i'm less confused then ;-)
16:10 rangi ok, the wind seems to have finally quietened down, going back to sleep
16:11 magnuse ah, thaought it was a tad early for rangi...
16:21 chris_n wizzyrea: updated bug 6226
16:21 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6226 major, P3, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Returning a misrouted item twice causes transit to correct receiving library to disappear
16:25 wizzyrea chris_n++ thx
16:25 magnuse gah, first attempt at building packages was tripped up by tests failing on database dependent tests - t/Koha_template_plugin_KohaDates.t and t/Reports.t
16:26 wizzyrea hm what do they need
16:26 magnuse i'm just getting "Can't connect to local MySQL server"
16:26 wizzyrea bleh
16:27 magnuse 'cause you shouldn't need mysql to build the packages
16:27 magnuse i think rangi said they could/should be moved to the dir for the db-dependent tests...
16:28 * magnuse rips them out and tries again and wanders off to make dinner
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16:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #32: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/32/
16:28 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Version 3.6.3 Strings Update
16:28 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.03.000 26 Jan 2012 15:06:56 Z
16:29 * wizzyrea throws more confetti, and adds a disco ball
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16:35 kf_mtg whoohoo
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16:40 wizzyrea oo it looks like 7001 is going to require some updates to the tests.
16:41 wizzyrea possibly.
16:43 * wizzyrea just set up the pre-commit git hooks. very informative.
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16:53 * oleonard supposes he should have a pre-comit hook which checks template and translator validity
16:55 reiveune bye
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16:55 kf_mtg chris_n++
16:56 chris_n off to lunch
16:56 wizzyrea that is a lunch well deserved.
16:56 oleonard Bring a fine feast for the release maintainer!
16:57 * oleonard looks around for the servants
16:57 kf_mtg :)
17:00 kf_mtg oleonard++
17:00 kf_mtg will try to test asap
17:00 wizzyrea druthb++
17:00 kf_mtg druthb++ :)
17:00 kf_mtg for what this time
17:00 kf_mtg ?
17:00 wizzyrea for finding the cause of an especially insidious problem
17:00 kf_mtg yep, that sounds like her
17:01 wizzyrea i kno rite?!
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17:02 * druthb blushes
17:02 kf_mtg :)
17:03 druthb I'll have a maintenance script that helps with one of the problems in Bug 3069 out as a patch here in an hour or so.  Worked a treat on one of our sites.
17:03 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3069 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha Z39.50 client process discussion
17:05 wizzyrea well and clearing the reservoir has always been a task that support companies do
17:05 trea so, we need a clean reservoir cronjob?
17:05 wizzyrea well yea
17:06 trea in /etc/cron.monthly
17:06 wizzyrea ^^
17:06 wizzyrea this
17:06 wizzyrea gmcharlt!
17:06 trea gmcharlt: o/
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17:06 hdl gmcharlt: :D
17:06 gmcharlt seriously, such a cronjob would be handy, with a couple cavets
17:07 gmcharlt first, since it's used both to cache Z39.50 search results *and* import batches
17:07 gmcharlt the cronjob should distinguish
17:07 kf_mtg I agree
17:07 gmcharlt not that one can't delete import batches, but not willy-nilly, since a batch has to be present in order to do a revert
17:07 kf_mtg I don't want it to touch our regular imports, only z3950
17:07 kf_mtg but I think the information is in the database
17:07 druthb In this case, my script did not distinguish, but the partner site had not done any cleans since 2009, so it needed doing Real Real Bad.  I put in a date param, and it cleans everything before then.
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17:09 wizzyrea also a UI spot to "purge z39.50 batches"
17:09 gmcharlt secondly, I'm curious about use cases for the reservoir itself -- are there any advantages to keeping it (as more than just a very short-lived cache) when one could just requery the Z39.50 server?
17:09 druthb Easy enough to parameterize letting you choose batch, z, or both, and a "keep this many days" param.
17:09 druthb Then it'd be cronnable.
17:10 gmcharlt druthb: maybe add a locked column for import batches?
17:10 wizzyrea I do like the idea of getting away from the idea of a cache for z results though
17:10 druthb "Don't delet this one, no matter what?"
17:10 gmcharlt druthb: exactly
17:10 wizzyrea there must have been a reason for that at some point?
17:11 druthb gmcharlt:  I like the idea, but that'd be a v.next enhance.  I'm in KISS mode right now.
17:11 gmcharlt fair enough
17:11 druthb wizzyrea: persistence...as in, Koha Doesn't Have It.  Gotta store that data *somewhere*, and just like the sessions table, knowing when to drop it is Kinda Hard.
17:11 gmcharlt but in that case, purging import batches shouldn't be a default option, just z
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17:12 gmcharlt wizzyrea: and possibly as a limiting mechanism to avoid pushing too hard on slow/creaky/remote Z39.50 servers?
17:12 druthb gmcharlt:  The way I write scripts, the default is don't do *anything*.   I'm paranoid.
17:12 gmcharlt druthb: cool, then I won't be out to get you
17:12 gmcharlt (or will I?)
17:12 wizzyrea hehe
17:13 trea dun dun dunnnnn
17:13 wizzyrea limit how many you keep at all?
17:13 druthb You'll *have* to specify either -b, -z, or both, (as well as --update) or nothing at all will happen.
17:14 kf_mtg bye all
17:14 wizzyrea byeeee
17:14 * oleonard managed to crash IE after not too long a wait
17:14 wizzyrea oh good I was starting to worry
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17:16 druthb hm.  gmcharlt's little enchancement will delay the patch a little, as I have other fish to fry.  Should get it out tonight, tho.
17:16 * druthb finds a way to blame gmcharlt for all sorts of things.
17:17 druthb Delayed patches, the housing bust, global warming...it's all gmcharlt's fault.
17:17 * gmcharlt promises to turn off the lights more regularly
17:18 trea :D
17:18 oleonard It's gmcharlt's fault I can't stop thinking about cats
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17:30 paul_p_ OK, time to leave for me. Lyon 3 university is live with Koha 3.6, everything is OK, except a problem/glitch with their 3M self-checkout. I hope to be back to RM business tomorrow morning...
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17:33 wizzyrea I love cats. I love every kind of cats.
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17:44 oleonard Does the entire world of Inernet Explorer-using people just assume the whole web looks like crap?
17:44 wizzyrea that could explain some things.
17:50 gmcharlt oleonard: low expectations can become self-sustaining
17:51 * wizzyrea starts a campaign "the web doesn't have to suck - try a different browser"
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17:54 cait hi #koha
17:55 wizzyrea wb cait
17:57 cait :)
17:58 maximep i'm sure people using ie6 and ie7 know that everything looks like crap and it only gets worst
17:58 maximep the entire quebec governement is still using ie6... pure madness
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17:59 oleonard The awful things I'm seeing in IE8 convince me that it just doesn't get better
18:00 maximep oh common, ie8 is easy to support
18:00 maximep compared to ie6 and 7
18:01 maximep ie9 is probably also very hard because it's too good
18:01 maximep -_-
18:01 * maximep is glad he isn't doing that job
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18:04 cait wizzyrea: I have a queston for you
18:05 cait or a general question where I hope wizzyrea has an opinion :)
18:05 cait the itemtype display in result list and detail page are different
18:05 cait the detail page shows less information than the result list
18:05 cait is there any reason for that?
18:05 cait and do we want to keep it like that?
18:05 cait talking about the small icons
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18:33 wizzyrea hmm
18:37 rangi Morning
18:40 wizzyrea cait - screenshot? please?
18:40 cait hey, good morning rangi
18:40 wizzyrea i suspect that I don't have itemtype images defined or on
18:40 cait oh
18:40 cait you can see at hfjs.bsz-bw.de
18:40 wizzyrea even better :)
18:43 cait there are 2 icons
18:43 cait on the results list
18:43 wizzyrea cait you mean the "format, literary form display
18:43 cait but only one on the detail
18:43 cait yep that
18:44 wizzyrea hm
18:44 wizzyrea I don't see it in english... switching to deutsch
18:44 cait hmm
18:44 cait give me a minute
18:44 cait so I don't burn my soup
18:45 cait and when it's simmering I will look for links
18:45 wizzyrea I don't see it in deutsch either
18:45 wizzyrea screencast is broken atm
18:45 cait perhaps I turned it off there... hmmm
18:45 cait I will find examples
18:45 wizzyrea no I just only see one icon
18:46 wizzyrea so I may not be clear on what you're asking
18:46 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/2I1rMOAZ
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18:47 wizzyrea hey that keyboard thing you have is pretty wicked.
18:47 aarkerio hi! somebody knows a Webpage about how import journal articles in koha?
18:48 cait wizzyrea: thx :)
18:48 cait I put a howto on the wiki for the keyboard
18:49 aarkerio I found this:
18:49 aarkerio http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]ruary/017032.html
18:51 cait wizzyrea: seems there is a difference between 3.2.2 and 3.6.3
18:51 wizzyrea ah
18:51 cait but
18:51 cait the second part is missing
18:51 cait from the detai lpage
18:51 cait say we have something like
18:51 wizzyrea right
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18:51 cait Type:  Continuing Resource; Format:                      print                 ; Type of continuing resource:                      series
18:51 cait in result list
18:52 cait but only type: series
18:52 cait in detail
18:52 wizzyrea yea, I did notice that
18:52 cait and on 3.6.3 I had sometmes 2 items showing in the result list
18:52 cait but only always one
18:52 cait on detail
18:52 wizzyrea I wonder if there's some logic there that shows both biblevel and itemlevel itype that isn't working?
18:52 wizzyrea maybe a TT thing?
18:53 wizzyrea but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense - which item would it pull the item level itemtype from
18:53 wizzyrea so no, probably not that.
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18:56 cait nope
18:56 cait it's all from the record
18:56 cait leader, 007, 008
18:56 cait it's supposed to show you what it is
18:56 cait I have a bug report form one of our libraries
18:57 wizzyrea huh. weird.
18:57 cait complainging about a book when there should be a cd
18:57 cait so I started looking into it
18:57 cait and I think it sould be in utils
18:57 cait or somewhere
18:57 cait and I think we do it differently for opac and staff... but have to confirm that
18:57 rangi TT filter!
18:58 cait xslt
18:58 cait lol
18:58 druthb_lunch is now known as druthb
18:58 cait once you have your xslt filter done....
18:58 cait perhaps? ;)
18:59 rangi U can finish it st hackfest
19:00 rangi at even
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19:04 rangi Hmm someone sent release notes to Marshall?
19:04 rangi My stop bbiab
19:10 cait wizzyrea: never mind, I will dive into it and come back with better questions :)
19:10 wizzyrea ah it's np
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19:13 oleonard "Item 33000000087725 waiting at Athens hasn't been transferred yet from The Plains"
19:13 oleonard How exactly...?
19:14 wizzyrea hah
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19:16 wizzyrea i don't think I've ever seen the message "hasn't been transferred yet"
19:18 oleonard That's on the holds tab on circulation.pl
19:18 wizzyrea h
19:18 wizzyrea m
19:19 oleonard detail.pl says "Current location: The Plains; Status: Waiting for X at Athens"
19:19 wizzyrea ooo yea
19:19 wizzyrea sounds like a botched transfer.
19:19 wizzyrea i have seen that
19:19 wizzyrea a checkout/in should clear that
19:19 wizzyrea what version?
19:20 oleonard But I don't even know where the item is... I'm assuming actually in transit between The Plains and Athens
19:20 wizzyrea well it had to have arrived in athens to be marked waiting
19:20 oleonard 3.6.1
19:20 oleonard ...except they say it's not there.
19:20 oleonard (of course they could be wrong)
19:21 wizzyrea I have heard this story before
19:21 wizzyrea all branches should shelf check for it
19:21 wizzyrea :/
19:21 wizzyrea i am trying to remember
19:21 oleonard Maybe Koha needs some kind of "all branches shelf check" management system...
19:22 wizzyrea select * from branchtransfers where itemnumber = x - you should see an un completed transfer
19:22 wizzyrea heh
19:22 wizzyrea we call that the "cattle prod"
19:22 wizzyrea but in the reserves table
19:22 wizzyrea the same reserve will be marked W
19:23 wizzyrea in theory you should never have a w and an uncompleted transfer, unless the item got misrouted along the way
19:23 oleonard 2010-08-10 19:21:32 | PPL        | 2010-08-12 17:49:34 | APL
19:23 wizzyrea whoa...
19:23 wizzyrea there's only the one
19:24 wizzyrea ?
19:24 wizzyrea and it's completed?
19:24 oleonard That's datesent | frombranch | datearrived | tobranch
19:24 wizzyrea oh I wonder, did something happen to the item in between? like, it was moved from one bib to another
19:24 wizzyrea :) I know :)
19:24 oleonard reserves does say W
19:25 wizzyrea is the bibnumber the same on both?
19:25 wizzyrea I guess branchtransfers doesn't tell you
19:25 wizzyrea it only works with items.
19:25 oleonard right
19:25 wizzyrea i saw one a week or so ago
19:25 oleonard but we don't move items from one bib to another
19:25 wizzyrea where there was a really bizarre status sort of like that
19:26 wizzyrea not even in the case of "I accidentally added this duplicate bib"
19:26 wizzyrea "let me move it's items to the right one"
19:26 wizzyrea its*
19:26 wizzyrea (this happens in nexpress all the time)
19:29 * oleonard gets out the cattle prod
19:31 aarkerio what kind of format is this:
19:31 aarkerio http://www.pakban.net/brooke/t[…]sm/getcan8_sm.gif
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19:45 oleonard wizzyrea! Long time no see.
19:45 wizzyrea heh
19:51 oleonard Search engines don't like it when you try  a search like $("[
19:53 wizzyrea i sincerely wish my testers would get to work on 7001 - I'd like to have my test server back.
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20:15 * oleonard set out to try Bug 7452, ended up spending hours fixing XHTML and dealing with other IE bugs...
20:15 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7452 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC unable to delete list item in IE
20:16 wizzyrea oof
20:16 wizzyrea thanks for looking at that oleonard
20:16 wizzyrea oleonard++
20:17 maximep isn't that a javascript error ?
20:19 oleonard Hahaha, I win! The patch I submitted for all the XHTML and display errors actually fixes Bug 7452!
20:19 wizzyrea :D
20:19 wizzyrea :D:D
20:19 maximep o_O
20:20 oleonard The OPAC lists page had <form>s nested inside a <form>
20:20 wizzyrea O.O
20:20 maximep Ô_ô
20:21 oleonard ...but the nested <form>s were not really necessary, since the inputs are only used by JavaScript
20:21 wizzyrea ლ(ಠ_ಠლ)
20:21 maximep well that shows up as squares here :p
20:21 wizzyrea all of it?
20:22 wizzyrea there *are* in fact 2 squares.
20:22 maximep I see 4
20:22 wizzyrea hehe
20:22 wizzyrea ◔_◔
20:22 wizzyrea what about that one
20:22 maximep some kind of small _ ?
20:23 wizzyrea hehe fair enough
20:23 wizzyrea it's an eyerolly thing
20:23 wizzyrea sincerely not important
20:23 oleonard http://screencast.com/t/gl4L1TZaap
20:23 maximep I should be in utf-8 :S
20:23 maximep LOL
20:23 wizzyrea yesssssss
20:23 maximep nice
20:24 wizzyrea hm i wonder why tuesday is always the high point of the week for our OPAC
20:25 wizzyrea monday is the worst day
20:25 maximep what's the definition of worst and best ?<
20:25 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/3ooChtXlNV
20:25 wizzyrea least visitors, most visitors
20:26 wizzyrea oh sorry sunday is the worst day
20:26 maximep weird. Id be curious to see our stats, but I can't
20:26 wizzyrea i suspect we have the most libraries open on tuesday maybe?
20:27 oleonard Our graph looks the same. Our biggest branch is closed Mondays.
20:29 schuster are you using google analytics?
20:29 wizzyrea no
20:29 schuster What ya using?
20:29 wizzyrea piwik
20:29 schuster ah I was looking at that the other day...
20:29 schuster One more thing... :)
20:31 maximep is piwik.org down ?
20:31 wizzyrea it's very slow anyway
20:34 schuster but you get stats are they helpful?  We have some specific pages and so I was thinking about tracking those to see how much they are actually used.
20:34 wizzyrea yes, I think they are helpful
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21:17 oleonard Bye #koha
21:17 rangi cya oleonard
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21:48 schuster by all
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21:49 rangi cya schuster
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