IRC log for #koha, 2011-11-15

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03:16 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7201] Hold to pull sreport needs extra fields <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7201>
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03:26 AmitG hi all
03:26 AmitG :D
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03:50 * jcamins_away looks in to see what's happening in #koha.
03:51 jcamins_away Ah, nothing.
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04:43 * jcamins_away waves to cait.
04:43 jcamins_away Isn't it a bit early for you?
04:48 cait yeah
04:48 cait I want to import some patron data early this morning
04:48 jcamins_away !
04:49 jcamins_away Very early!
04:49 wahanui very early is 3 ;)
04:49 cait it seemed like a good idea yesterday
04:49 jcamins_away Heh.
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05:38 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:38 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.1�C (6:35 AM CET on November 15, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Steady).
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06:06 AmitG heya kf
06:06 kf hi AmitG :)
06:09 kf and good morning #koha
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06:54 Brooke o/
06:56 kf hi Brooke
06:56 kf go to bed?
06:56 * kf hides
06:56 Brooke insomnia + jet lag = buckets of fun
06:56 Brooke so
06:56 Brooke I went to sleep when I was meant to
06:56 Brooke but I can't go to bed now to save me
06:56 Brooke and I don't wanna wake the little mister up tossing and turning.
06:57 Brooke I'm only up about 3 hours earlier than he normally wakes, so shouldn't be awful.
07:04 Brooke oh open library. I <3 you, but you only serve to remind me of how oddly read I am XD
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07:16 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6488] opachiddenitems not working in master <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6488>
07:17 kf sorry Brooke, have to get this data imported
07:17 Brooke np babe
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07:27 Brooke ruh oh[…]TLePNN_story.html
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07:48 reiveune hello
07:48 wahanui niihau, reiveune
07:48 Brooke howdy
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08:07 matts hi everyone !
08:08 Brooke howdy matts
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08:09 kf bonjour biblibre :)
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09:40 francharb morning #koha
09:51 magnuse namaste francharb
09:52 francharb hi magnuse
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10:56 kf hi francharb and magnuse
10:56 magnuse hiya kf
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11:02 kf_lunch :)
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12:54 druthb o/
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13:10 NateC Morning Everyone!
13:10 NateC
13:10 NateC I like space
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13:31 kf hi NateC and oleonard
13:31 kf hi ago
13:31 oleonard Hi
13:31 wahanui hola, oleonard
13:32 ago good morning
13:32 NateC Hiya :D
13:35 kf marijana++
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13:58 oleonard Good morning sekjal
13:59 kf hi sekjal
13:59 sekjal morning, oleonard, kf!
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14:24 ah1968 Hi, My director wanted to find if any other US Koha users are using some form of collection services for unpaid fines and fees. If so, can you please email me at
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14:25 maximep haha
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14:46 wizzyrea I know of that guy, he wants to use unique
14:46 * wizzyrea knows almost everybody in the US that wants to use unique
14:46 wizzyrea (with koha)
14:47 oleonard We talked to someone (not sure who) and they said they needed full access to our patron database
14:47 wizzyrea :O whoa
14:47 oleonard Yeah, that was a no-go.
14:48 oleonard ...but I'm not sure how it is better handled.
14:48 trea hmmm
14:49 maximep Gentle Nudge® Process o_O
14:49 wizzyrea Pack of Pit Bulls® Process
14:52 sekjal I'm looking at doing a development to make Koha and Unique play nice later this week
14:53 sekjal there is an existing implementation from "those guys", but it's not viable
14:53 wizzyrea and there's also the koha-tools
14:53 wizzyrea thing that uses an entirely separate database
14:54 trea which koha_tools wizzyrea? is that the php solution you were telling me about?
14:54 wizzyrea ya
14:54 wizzyrea
14:54 wizzyrea hmm that may not have it, sec
14:54 * wizzyrea has it on a CD (!)
14:54 wizzyrea but I know it's online somewhere
14:55 kf on a cd... calls for more copies
14:55 wizzyrea hehe yea
14:55 wizzyrea well there might be a copy on my computer >.>
14:56 wizzyrea I think it's the "koha stow extensions"
14:56 wizzyrea[…]ns.php?category=8
14:56 wizzyrea yep, that's it
14:57 wizzyrea speaking of which, anybody got a tad of server space for
14:59 sekjal wizzyrea:  I'm sure I could convince ByWater to offer up a server for contribs, if the community is comfortable with that
14:59 wizzyrea it could go somewhere near ;)
14:59 wizzyrea :D
14:59 kf I think we are too busy right now :(
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15:14 NCARLibrary more sql curiosities...
15:14 NCARLibrary
15:15 NCARLibrary it's returning many, but not all items that have the specified phrase.
15:17 jwagner NCARLibrary, you need to use the % truncator -- probably before and after your phrase depending on where the phrase might fall in the field
15:17 jwagner itemnotes LIKE '%MISSING FL inventory%'
15:17 NCARLibrary trying...
15:18 NCARLibrary ooh! 252 results.  That sounds better than 169. thx
15:19 NCARLibrary So what exactly does the truncator do?
15:20 NCARLibrary Does it allow for chars on either side of the phrase?
15:20 wizzyrea "find this string inside a string
15:20 NCARLibrary ah, ok
15:20 jwagner Yes, it matches any/all chars before/after the phrase
15:20 NCARLibrary cool
15:20 NCARLibrary i shall remember this
15:21 NCARLibrary auf wiedersehen
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15:21 * sekjal just noticed that the Koha IRC meeting is tonight
15:22 kf no
15:22 kf it's at 3 am!
15:23 sekjal 9pm Eastern, by my calculations..  (assuming I'm factoring daylight savings in right)
15:23 wizzyrea can I hassle someone for a signoff on 7207?
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15:23 kf bug 7207
15:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7207 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Cannot export label batches
15:24 wizzyrea and I neglected a test plan for that
15:24 wizzyrea basically, make sure that you can create and export a batch of labels
15:24 wizzyrea in all formats
15:25 * sekjal is going to be a little late to the meeting; he's presenting to a some library school students about open source and Koha until 9:15pm
15:27 kf yay :)
15:27 kf hope yours ask questions :)
15:27 kf your students I mean
15:27 kf I will not be at the meeting - sleeping
15:27 NCARLibrary signed off prematurely...another sql question...
15:28 NCARLibrary this code...
15:28 NCARLibrary uses ORDER BY cn_sort to give me LC ordering
15:28 NCARLibrary works nicely
15:28 NCARLibrary however...
15:29 NCARLibrary
15:29 NCARLibrary uses order by items.itemcallnumber asc
15:29 NCARLibrary I tried replacing that with the cn_sort, but can't get it to work.
15:30 sekjal kf: if I'm done with the demo in time, I'll see if I can sign in and introduce them to the community
15:30 sekjal they've already had someone from a library that runs Ex Libris products come in and speak to them
15:31 kf similar here
15:31 kf NCARLibrary: you tried items.cn_sort?
15:32 kf one reason why it's not working can be that for those title was no $z set
15:32 kf have you checked cn_sort has content for those?
15:33 NCARLibrary standby..
15:34 NCARLibrary ooh! That seems to work.
15:36 kf cool :)
15:36 NCARLibrary i had plugged in order by cn_sort rather than order by items.cn_sort
15:37 NCARLibrary how come the first code uses ORDER BY cn_sort and the second one uses items.cn_sort?
15:38 NCARLibrary I suppose it must have sthg to do with the first one prompting the user for a phrase?
15:39 NCARLibrary (WHERE itemnotes LIKE <<Enter string>> ORDER BY cn_sort)
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15:40 kf h
15:40 kf hmm
15:40 kf actually it shoudl work the same
15:40 kf it only tells sql specifically which table it is in
15:40 kf and you only need it if you have more than one table with the same field name
15:41 kf it normally will complain then
15:41 NCARLibrary ok
15:41 kf because doesn't know which to use :)
15:41 kf if you use like, you might like to give people a hint, that they can truncate using %
15:42 kf <<callnumber (truncate with %)>> or sth. like that
15:42 NCARLibrary yeah, that's what i'm doing with this report.
15:42 NCARLibrary rather than putting the desired  phrase into the coding itself. i like keeping it open.
15:42 NCARLibrary what is that called when you use LIKE <<enter string>>?
15:43 kf I think we refer to it as placeholders
15:43 kf not sure
15:43 kf it's a koha thing
15:43 kf not sql
15:43 NCARLibrary i see
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15:59 druthb is now known as druthb_phone
15:59 * Oak waves
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16:06 druthb_phone hi, Oak!
16:06 Oak hello druthb_phone :)
16:07 * oleonard wonders if a druthb_phone is like a Snoopy phone
16:07 Oak still, on the phone? when free let me know.
16:07 kf hi Oak :)
16:07 kf how did your exam go?
16:07 Oak i'm about to do something potentially stupid. will need your opinion/thoughts
16:07 Oak so far. good :)
16:07 * druthb_phone raises an eyebrow, curious.
16:07 kf :)
16:08 Oak one more paper to go.
16:08 * kf keeps fingers crossed for tomorrow
16:08 * druthb_phone is on-hold.  bleh.
16:08 Oak in pm druthb_phone ... let me know when free.
16:08 Oak kf must be at work... can't bother her now.
16:08 Oak i mean not for this.
16:09 Oak i know we can bother kf whenever we like
16:09 Oak :)
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16:09 Oak that was a compliment kf. or at least it was meant to be.
16:09 kf um ok :)
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16:40 Barrc More git woes: Does it matter if I send mutilpe patch files for the same bug?
16:40 Barrc That is, because I know not git, I commited nearly every file I changes. As a results, when i formatted the patch it created multiple files...
16:40 oleonard git rebase -i origin
16:41 oleonard You can use an "interactive rebase" to "squash" multiple patches together
16:41 maximep yeah, create a copy of your branch and squash the commits into 1
16:41 Barrc Sweet - this rolls them into one, yeah?
16:41 Barrc Cool - thanks
16:42 oleonard Creating a copy of your branch is only necessary if you want to preserve your incremental commit history
16:42 wizzyrea if it's not clear, pick the top commit, and change all the other pick to s (or squash)
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16:43 Barrc Getting dizzy now......will the "git rebase -i origin" suffice?
16:43 wizzyrea it will make sense once you run that
16:45 wizzyrea @quote get 123
16:45 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
16:46 oleonard Hmmm... So, you can disallow a particular biblio view using a preference like "viewISBD," and then you can turn around and set BiblioDefaultView to, say, ISBD. :P
16:46 kf time to go - bye all :)
16:47 hdl1 Barrc: no...
16:48 hdl1 Barrc: you will have to edit the file with your editor changing pick to squash for all your commits
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16:49 Barrc Ummm, dunno what happened but my branch has now been removed......
16:50 maximep that's why I suggested to do the rebase in a copy :p
16:50 Barrc I love git - *Smashing my face against the keyboard*
16:51 jcamins_away Barrc: git rebase --abort
16:51 oleonard maximep: How would a rebase have removed Barrc's branch?
16:51 maximep I don't think it would
16:51 jcamins_away Then do git checkout branch (whatever the branch was)
16:51 Barrc It did! But that rebase --abort has brought it back
16:52 Barrc According to gitk, at leasr
16:52 Barrc least
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16:52 maximep i think u were just in a temporary branch, right ?
16:52 maximep haven't used rebase much :/
16:52 jcamins_away Yup.
16:53 jcamins_away maximep: yes, that's what happened. That's why I suggested aborting the rebase.
16:53 Barrc Honestly - I don't know!
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16:54 hdl1 Barrc: when you git rebase, it creates a "nobranch" branch for the time you are rebasing...
16:54 hdl1 Because you are wanting to rewrite the history and the stream of your patches.
16:55 Barrc Right. So, should I continue with and rebase - i?
16:56 Barrc Can anyone recommend a nice site I read up on git? I am gonna end up annoying the heck out everyone here unless I get my head around this quick!
17:01 * oleonard learned here :)
17:01 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7227] "Delete all items" action should redirect to the detail view, not the items view <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7227>
17:01 * wizzyrea too
17:01 jcamins_away pastebot's a bit glitchy recently.
17:01 jcamins_away Who administers pastebot?
17:01 jcamins_away Barrc:
17:01 wizzyrea rangi
17:02 jcamins_away @later tell rangi FYI- pastebot seems to be having some problems posting pastes to the channel.
17:02 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
17:02 wizzyrea jcamins:[…]te_Administration
17:02 Barrc jcamins_away: Thanks. That should keep me busy.
17:03 jcamins_away wizzyrea: but asking you was faster. :P
17:03 wizzyrea but what if I'm not here? ;)
17:04 jcamins_away @later tell wizzyrea Who administers pastebot?
17:04 jcamins_away ;)
17:04 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
17:04 * wizzyrea sighs
17:04 wizzyrea oh look, a message from huginn!
17:04 wizzyrea wonder what that could be.
17:04 wizzyrea oh.
17:04 wizzyrea you crack me up. :)
17:04 * jcamins_away does his best.
17:05 druthb lol
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17:10 * jcamins_away contemplates designing some sort of device for automatically wrapping the individually wrapped fudges.
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17:10 wizzyrea see: Food Network's "unwrapped"
17:11 oleonard Don't be tempted to use cheap librarian labor. They end up eating way too many.
17:11 wizzyrea ^^
17:11 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7225] "Delete all items" should be greyed out when a title has no items <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7225>
17:11 jcamins_away oleonard: like Lucy?
17:11 jcamins_away :D
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17:11 oleonard What, two patches for "delete all items?" Someone must have been deleting all items 100 times this morning.
17:11 wizzyrea hehe
17:12 wizzyrea hey owen
17:12 wizzyrea there's also this problem where deleting items on bibs with holds on them doesn't delete the hold >.>
17:12 wizzyrea and you end up with scary phantom holds
17:12 oleonard Nice.
17:12 wizzyrea well, phantoms anyway
17:12 wizzyrea they're not so scary
17:13 wizzyrea imo, but they apparently weird out librarians.
17:13 * oleonard becomes very interested in this other thing he was doing
17:13 wizzyrea hehehe
17:13 wizzyrea e
17:13 * jcamins_away feels sure that with rubberbands and various odds-and-ends he could greatly simplify the individual wrapping process.
17:14 wizzyrea you have one of those racks that holds custard crocks in their water baths?
17:14 jcamins_away I do not.
17:14 wizzyrea then my brilliant idea won't work.
17:14 * wizzyrea doesn't have one either.
17:14 jcamins_away Heh. I'm willing to consider getting one, though. :)
17:14 oleonard Geeze jcamins_away, you don't have one of those racks that holds custard crocks in their water baths?
17:15 oleonard I thought everyone had one of those racks that holds custard crocks in their water baths.
17:15 * wizzyrea really appreciates oleonard's sarcasm - it makes me laugh every day.
17:15 jcamins_away oleonard: I know. There's really no excuse.
17:16 * wizzyrea doesn't even mind being the target of it.
17:16 * jcamins_away is waiting with bated breath for wizzyrea's brilliant idea.
17:16 * jcamins_away is running out of oxygen. ;)
17:16 wizzyrea lol
17:16 wizzyrea I guess a mini muffin tin would work too
17:17 oleonard What does "found = 'T'" mean?
17:17 wizzyrea in transit
17:17 wizzyrea "i'm between libraries right now"
17:18 * oleonard suspects there's a bug in the holds check even for single item deletion
17:18 wizzyrea *nod* I had noticed that
17:18 wizzyrea too
17:18 oleonard SELECT * FROM reserves WHERE (found = 'W' or found = 'T') AND itemnumber = ?
17:18 oleonard That won't catch item-level holds which are pending
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17:19 wizzyrea ohh good point
17:19 jcamins_away wizzyrea: mini-muffin-sized individually wrapped fudges might be rather large.
17:19 wizzyrea no I was thinking that you would cut up the fudge, and merely use the muffin tin to pop up the edges of your parchment for typing
17:20 jcamins_away Ah.
17:20 jcamins_away That's very clever.
17:20 wizzyrea typing? tying.
17:20 jcamins_away I knew what you meant.
17:20 wizzyrea thank heavens you speak typo.
17:20 * cait waves :)
17:20 wizzyrea it's suitably non-mechanical
17:21 mfann all this muffin and fudge talk is not helping my diet.
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17:22 sekjal druthb++
17:22 * druthb blushes
17:23 cait druthb++
17:23 cait don't have to know for what - she is awesome
17:23 jcamins_away druthb++ # Because she definitely deserves the karma, regardless what the reason
17:23 trea is true. druthb++
17:23 Oak druthb++
17:24 trea corn starch molds. that's all i'm going to say
17:24 oleonard druthb++ # for corn starch molds
17:24 trea heh
17:24 * druthb is confused now.
17:24 * wizzyrea too
17:24 trea was actually in reference to the fudge discussion
17:24 * oleonard doesn't know why, but is on the bandwagon
17:24 trea but whatevs
17:25 druthb @karma
17:25 huginn druthb: Highest karma: "rangi" (435), "oleonard" (361), and "gmcharlt" (267).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-106), "failed" (-68), and "-" (-37).  You (druthb) are ranked 9 out of 1785.
17:25 druthb @karma druthb
17:25 huginn druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 135 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 134.
17:25 druthb @most increased
17:25 huginn druthb: "rangi": 440, "oleonard": 366, "gmcharlt": 272, "wizzyrea": 253, "chris_n": 222, "nengard": 201, "cait": 190, "sekjal": 176, "druthb": 135, "paul_p": 120, "slef": 110, "jcamins": 108, "magnuse": 100, "kf": 85, "eythian": 73, "hdl": 60, "hdl_laptop": 60, "jwagner": 54, "biblibre": 49, "atz": 44, "thd": 43, "fredericd": 41, "pianohacker": 39, "larsw": 37, and "kmkale": 33
17:25 * wizzyrea gives a dirty look to whoever gave druthb negative karma
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17:25 wizzyrea sup edveal.
17:26 jcamins_away wizzyrea: probably the same as what happened to me... someone addressed me with an em dash.
17:26 wizzyrea hm
17:26 edveal Hello
17:26 * oleonard was able to delete an item with an in-transit hold without errors
17:26 cait kf if far less popular than cait
17:26 cait hehe
17:27 Oak cait gives cookies
17:27 wizzyrea the patron doesn't have a blank hold on their account?
17:27 cait Oak: good point
17:27 * wizzyrea wonders if this was fixed in 3.6.0
17:27 druthb cait++  #cooooookies
17:27 oleonard wizzyrea: I mean Koha didn't try to stop me
17:27 Oak :)
17:27 wizzyrea OH
17:27 wizzyrea so it's still broken :)
17:27 wizzyrea well, "broken"
17:27 oleonard wizzyrea: Whereas the code in implies that it would
17:28 wizzyrea ooooo
17:28 * druthb smiles.
17:28 oleonard line 2220
17:29 druthb wahanui: edveal?
17:29 wahanui edveal is good friends with Ruth (DRuth) and have been for years.
17:30 druthb natec?
17:30 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
17:30 druthb documentation?
17:30 wahanui documentation is, like, at
17:30 * druthb is teaching edveal about wahanui.
17:30 oleonard wizzyrea: On the other hand, deleting a waiting item singly or in bulk did not result in a phantom hold
17:30 cait :)
17:30 cait hi edveal then :)
17:30 jcamins_away jcamins?
17:30 wahanui somebody said jcamins was supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
17:30 druthb wahanui: druthb?
17:30 wahanui She finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
17:31 cait tss
17:31 cait wizzyrea?
17:31 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE!
17:31 cait :)
17:31 cait rangi?
17:31 sekjal :)
17:31 druthb cait?
17:31 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you!
17:31 druthb kf?
17:31 wahanui i heard kf was cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss
17:31 druthb sekjal?
17:31 wahanui SEGMENTATION FAULT.  Aborting...
17:31 cait lol
17:31 druthb hrmpf!  Someone changed sekjal's!
17:32 jcamins_away Change something to something else?
17:32 wahanui jcamins_away: that doesn't look right
17:32 sekjal change something to the exact same thing?
17:32 wahanui sekjal: that doesn't look right
17:32 jcamins_away Bah! Someone fixed the bug that made wahanui crash whenever you started a sentence with "change _ to"
17:32 jcamins_away That's no fun.
17:35 jcamins_away @later tell edveal Make sure druthb tells you about huginn, too.
17:35 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
17:35 cait @wunder
17:35 huginn cait: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
17:35 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:35 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.0�C (6:25 PM CET on November 15, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Steady).
17:36 cait still getting colder
17:36 cait hmpf
17:36 jcamins_away @wunder 11375
17:36 huginn jcamins_away: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 18.4�C (12:31 PM EST on November 15, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady).
17:36 jcamins_away Pretty nice weather here today.
17:36 druthb @wunder 38401
17:36 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Spring Hill, Tennessee is 15.2�C (1:34 PM AST on November 15, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Steady).
17:36 druthb @wunder 57103
17:36 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Dunham Park, Sioux Falls, South Dakota is 5.8�C (11:34 AM CST on November 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1007.7 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect from 11 am this morning to 5 PM CST this afternoon...
17:37 sekjal quote123?
17:37 wahanui @quote get 123
17:37 huginn wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
17:37 wahanui ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>...
17:37 druthb @quote get 102
17:37 huginn druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010)
17:37 sekjal mwhahaha!
17:37 druthb @quote search wizzyrea
17:37 huginn druthb: 19 found: #105: "* wizzyrea would like to note that you do *not*...", #114: "chris_n: maybe you mean black magic with...", #118: "wizzyrea: lavamind is erupting patches all over...", #147: "<wizzyrea> a watched query never finishes.", #157: "wizzyrea: bbiaf -> I know that means be back in...", #161: "* wizzyrea prefers pricks", #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon...", #17: "<wizzyrea> (2 more messages)
17:37 druthb @quote get 16
17:37 huginn druthb: Quote #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think)" (added by chris at 09:37 PM, July 17, 2009)
17:37 wizzyrea oh are we really going to start this
17:37 wizzyrea lol
17:37 jcamins_away quote #123
17:37 jcamins_away quote #123?
17:37 cait @quote random
17:38 druthb @roulette
17:38 huginn cait: Quote #124: "gmcharlt: well, obviously the Ode To Joy is the only possible sound cue for the hold-filled event" (added by wizzyrea at 06:33 PM, April 04, 2011)
17:38 huginn druthb: *click*
17:38 druthb @roulette
17:38 huginn druthb: *click*
17:38 druthb @roulette
17:38 druthb was kicked by huginn: BANG!
17:38 cait @roulette
17:38 * huginn reloads and spins the chambers.
17:38 huginn cait: *click*
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17:38 * druthb lulz
17:38 wizzyrea best random quote ever
17:38 jcamins_away @quote search chainsaw
17:38 huginn jcamins_away: 1 found: #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the..."
17:38 jcamins_away @quote get 100
17:38 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010)
17:38 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
17:38 druthb @quote search bacon
17:38 huginn druthb: 2 found: #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon..." and #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!"
17:39 druthb @marc 245 a
17:39 huginn druthb: Title
17:39 * druthb finds that a handy toy
17:39 wizzyrea @quote get 23
17:39 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
17:39 wizzyrea in case anyone else wants to add quotes.
17:39 wizzyrea hint hint
17:40 wizzyrea @quote get last
17:40 huginn wizzyrea: Error: 'last' is not a valid id.
17:40 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
17:40 jcamins_away Except it should be huginn not munin now.
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17:52 wizzyrea that's fun:
17:52 wizzyrea (in one of my libraries)
17:52 wizzyrea never seen that before
17:53 sekjal wow.... seriously?  I can't do git pull on this bus's wifi?  really?
17:53 wizzyrea crikey
17:53 sekjal shoots my testing of bug 7207 in the foot
17:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7207 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Cannot export label batches
17:53 oleonard Ports blocked sekjal? If so I'm surprised you can get on IRC
17:53 sekjal oleonard:  I can't; I'm using Mibbit to get around it right now
17:54 jcamins_away sekjal: I had that problem.
17:54 jcamins_away sekjal: I think I tethered so that I could use SSH.
17:54 oleonard I'm still fighting the firewall at a couple of our branches to get IRC and git allowed
17:55 wizzyrea well nuts, you have to have superpowers to modify quotes.
17:55 jcamins_away wizzyrea: you don't have superpowers?!?
17:55 wizzyrea no :(
17:55 jcamins_away Oh, you must mean you have the wrong ones.
17:55 wizzyrea well I don't have *that* superpower
17:55 * wizzyrea pokes gmcharlt
17:56 wizzyrea please may we correct quote 23 so it says huginn instead of munin?
17:56 trea is now known as trea_lunch
17:57 * wizzyrea forgot that we were on oftc now - goes to change the koha page to use mibbit again.
17:57 wizzyrea well, after lunch
18:00 * oleonard ditches
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18:04 jcamins_away sekjal: can't you clone via HTTP?
18:05 sekjal jcamins_away:  I could probably change the remote's details and try that, yeah
18:07 sekjal 7207 passed QA
18:08 sekjal (thanks bg for signing off on latest patch)
18:08 bg :)
18:09 sekjal bg++
18:22 sekjal does anyone here know a library that would like to charge a fee to a patron for not picking up their holds in a timely fashion?
18:25 * gmcharlt looks up?
18:25 gmcharlt @quote get 23
18:25 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
18:27 gmcharlt @quote change 23 "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password"
18:27 huginn gmcharlt: Error: '<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password' is not a valid regular expression.
18:27 gmcharlt @quote change 23 s/munin/huginn/
18:27 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
18:27 gmcharlt @quote get 23
18:27 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
18:29 maximep lol @ using regex to change quotes
18:29 maximep I guess this is a perl channel after all :p
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18:48 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7220] Returns page message boxes being ignored <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7220>
18:49 cait maximep: oh no, I always thought it was a food channel!
18:49 cait :)
18:54 maximep isn't it ?
18:54 maximep I seem to remember people talking about cookies for hours
18:54 maximep :p
18:55 maximep there's a sysadmin at work always bringing amazing cookies
18:55 maximep I think he wants us to become all fat
18:58 wizzyrea i actually had it changed, but huginn said I didn't have permissions to change the quote :~(
18:59 wizzyrea gmcharlt++ thanks for fixing that :)
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19:00 wizzyrea bg++ # for the 7207 signoff
19:00 cait maximep:  :)
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19:16 wizzy_mib handy dandy
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19:18 trea the batch item modification tool in koha only uses barcodes or item numbers, correct? any additional data in the upload file is going to cause problems?
19:19 wizzyrea right
19:19 trea k thanks
19:19 trea wizzyrea++
19:22 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:22 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0�C (8:00 PM CET on November 15, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
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19:31 rhcl_away Wait! I object. Nepotism at work here.
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19:36 * wizzyrea looks around... you didn't answer the question >.>
19:37 rhcl_away I was away.
19:37 rhcl_away c my nick
19:37 wizzyrea so who's typing :P
19:37 rhcl_away is now known as ketchup
19:38 ketchup ketchup is typing
19:38 ketchup I was working all morning on Koha accessories.
19:39 ketchup is now known as rhcl
19:39 wizzyrea like tshirts?
19:39 rhcl huh, well, no. more like the public access control system the college students are working on.
19:39 wizzyrea oh cool
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19:41 wizzyrea @quote get 123
19:41 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
19:41 jcamins_away What's a public access control system do?
19:42 wizzyrea it's a mad scheme meant to keep librarians from having to do work with people.
19:42 wizzyrea see: envisionware.
19:42 jcamins_away Ah.
19:42 * jcamins_away translates: it's something that is expected to break every few hours and ensure that no one can ever finish anything they're trying to do on a public terminal.
19:43 wizzyrea not just expected to break
19:43 jcamins_away <.<
19:43 wizzyrea DESIGNED to break
19:43 jcamins_away >.>
19:43 jcamins_away Did I say that out loud?
19:43 jcamins_away Oops.
19:43 jcamins_away ^.^
19:43 wizzyrea i should say, I understand the necessity of such a system for places that have more than about 10 computers, and the computers are full at least once a day
19:44 jcamins_away rhcl: you should be preaching the gospel of database-agnosticism.
19:45 rhcl they are so wrapped up in the nuts and bolts at this point I don't think I'm ready to talk about an API
19:45 * jcamins_away starts chanting the database-agnostic motto: "Database lock-in bad! Database agnosticism good!"
19:45 jcamins_away rhcl: but a database-agnostic system should be *easier* to deal with than directly accessing Postgres or MySQL.
19:46 * jcamins_away will not claim that ODBC is a wonderful thing, since it sucks, but compare using ODBC to directly accessing MS-SQL.
19:46 jcamins_away Put down the spoon! You may not gouge your eyes out!
19:47 wizzyrea !
19:47 wizzyrea ?!
19:47 jcamins_away wizzyrea: I told you to put down the spoon.
19:47 jcamins_away Now you can't see the conversation anymore. :P
19:47 wizzyrea gasdfa adfa weq fqqpv asraaqer
19:47 Phlunk3 has anyone ever seen this issue in koha? a friend just mailed it through to me (didnt check bug site yet):
19:48 Phlunk3 Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cg​i-bin/acqui/ line 114.
19:48 wizzyrea yes
19:48 wizzyrea that happens when you search for a vendor that has been deleted
19:48 wizzyrea or you search for a vendor and all of them were created by the superuser
19:48 cait :(
19:48 jcamins_away That sounds like a bug to me.
19:48 jcamins_away Both do, actually.
19:48 Phlunk3 creating vendors with the superuser is wrong then?
19:48 wizzyrea they are
19:48 wizzyrea and both have fixes I think
19:49 Phlunk3 manual fixes, or a simple koha-common update is needed? is a friend with a package install on ubuntu.
19:49 wizzyrea i don't think they've been pushed yet
19:50 cait they have been
19:50 cait but will be 3.6.1
19:50 cait hmhave been pushed to master
19:50 wizzyrea[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7085
19:50 huginn Bug 7085: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Problems with searching for orders in acquisitions
19:50 cait not sure about 3.6
19:50 wizzyrea this is it I think
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19:50 cait that's one
19:50 cait but the other is the bakets only visible for librarian who created it bug thing
19:51 wizzyrea i had the fatal error when the only vendors I had created were created by the koha superuser
19:51 Phlunk3 so is this going to be fixed if she just updates the package? sorry didn't follow exactly if this was in the package or not.
19:51 wizzyrea not yet
19:51 Phlunk3 thanks wizzyrea
19:51 cait bug 6390
19:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6390 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ef, ASSIGNED , Basket only visible for librarian who created it
19:52 cait Phlunk3: what you can do now is update the authorisedby with a borrowernumber of an existing librarian
19:52 wizzyrea gracious that one really had to be herded in didn't it
19:52 cait to fix vendor search
19:54 rhcl any comments from anyone about ADOdb?
19:55 Phlunk3 thx cait, I have mailed the person with the issue and hopefully will get access to the system sometime this week to sort it for them, is just a koha test system which she is using for the fiji project.
19:55 jcamins_away rhcl: ADOdb as in... Active Data Objects?
19:55 cait Phlunk3: and it's really not recommendable to do anything with the superuser
19:56 cait always use a real staff patron account for everything
19:56 rhcl ADOdb Database Abstraction Library for PHP
19:56 jcamins_away Never heard of it. But it's probably a better idea than directly accessing Postgres.
19:57 maximep there's db abstraction stuff build in php now
19:57 maximep I wouldn't use adodb
19:57 jcamins_away ^^ but listen to people who use PHP.
20:00 Phlunk3 go PDO
20:01 Phlunk3 depends really what your requirements are though :/
20:01 slef could everyone please stop breaking stuff long enough for me to get some work done? ;-)
20:01 slef IRC meeting?
20:01 slef oh topic :)
20:02 slef the sensible thing would be to skip it
20:02 jcamins_away slef: FWIW, breaking stuff is more fun.
20:02 slef as I've a conference tomorrow
20:02 slef jcamins_away: not for me, not when I have to fix it!
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20:03 slef heh, I've already sent apologies
20:04 * slef puts some stuff on the agenda
20:09 rhcl meeting?
20:10 cait slef: sleep won
20:10 rhcl speak up huginn
20:10 cait or will win..
20:13 ago_lunch is now known as ago
20:14 rhcl maximep: MDB2? (previously pear?)   "PEAR MDB2 is a merge of the PEAR DB and Metabase php database abstraction layers."
20:16 slef ok I've added some stuff to[…]ember_2011#Agenda - anything else people are likely to want to know about kohacon12?
20:17 maximep rhcl: I was talking about PDO. Most of the time I use ORMs, so can't really say anything about it
20:18 jcamins_away slef: people will want to know if there are any tasks that can be shared elsewhere in the Koha community.
20:18 cait slef:  bank holidays = everything closed?
20:19 slef cait: bank holidays = banks closed, large shops on short hours, mass transport on reduced service.
20:19 cait but we will be able to get some food? :)
20:19 slef at least where I live... might be less noticeable in a capital city
20:20 jcamins_away slef: it was pretty darn noticeable when I was there.
20:20 slef oh sure, there's always food in Edinburgh.
20:20 cait slef: problems with hotels and travelling to be expected then?
20:20 cait ok
20:20 slef cait: I'm 99% sure the focus of the jubilee celebrations will be London but I don't really follow the royal gyrations
20:21 slef jcamins_away: there = Edinburgh?
20:21 slef jcamins_away: which holiday, do you remember?
20:21 slef I think the Christian ones are observed most, even now.
20:22 slef (2 days at Easter, 1 at Christmas)
20:22 jcamins_away slef: I think it was Easter, maybe. Also, the day after New Year's.
20:22 slef heh, hungover workers ;)
20:22 slef (New Year not Easter)
20:23 jcamins_away Though I will say I have *never* seen *anywhere* as dead as Moscow around New Year.
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20:23 jcamins_away Everything closes from December 25 until mid-January.
20:24 slef[…]ewsroom/DG_197517
20:24 * slef adds a link to that to the agenda
20:25 jcamins_away City status?
20:25 * jcamins_away didn't realize that was something to compete for.
20:25 slef jcamins_away: heh, yes, it's still a gift of the crown here :-/
20:29 slef oh my diggy aunt
20:29 slef erm
20:29 slef oh my giddy aunt
20:29 slef I just started looking at some stuff about the bribery act. There's claims that we have to "undertake due diligence into the anti-corruption record of sponsors"
20:30 slef Why did our government pass the world's toughest anti-bribery law just before we host kohacon? ;-)
20:30 rhcl so they could tax it?
20:30 slef I don't see how they make money from this.
20:30 slef It looks like it costs us time and money without making them any.
20:31 slef Very strange behaviour for a government ;-)
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20:33 slef I like the "latest news" on that Queen's Diamond Jubilee page: "Transsexual people get equal State Pension rights". Is there something about the Queen that we don't know?
20:33 slef I guess it's probably latest sitewide news.
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21:08 aarkerio hi! someone knows a good webhosting for Koha?
21:09 rhcl aarkerio: where are you located?
21:09 aarkerio Mexico!
21:09 trea koha vendors?
21:09 aarkerio but I current have a virtual hosting in Michigan :
21:10 trea hosting?
21:10 trea bah
21:10 rhcl ByWater hosts I think. Maybe Amazon?
21:10 aarkerio rhcl, why location is relevant?
21:10 jcamins_away aarkerio: you probably will want a Koha vendor, rather than just a web host.
21:10 jcamins_away aarkerio: the website has a list of Koha vendors.
21:11 jcamins_away If you're going to do all the work yourself, you can use any hosting provider who offers VPSes.
21:11 aarkerio is just for a young friend who is trying to "play" with koha
21:12 aarkerio I have a VPS in a2hosting but I think is too expensive for a newbie
21:12 jcamins_away aarkerio: in that case, it doesn't matter.
21:13 jcamins_away aarkerio: somewhere cheap.
21:13 * jcamins_away has used
21:13 aarkerio I wanna some ssh access and virtual host allowed in apache2
21:13 jcamins_away aarkerio: you need to have root privileges. Koha can't be installed on a web host.
21:14 aarkerio is just for   and
21:14 jcamins_away aarkerio: yes, but you need to install Koha.
21:14 rhcl Amazon would be too expensive just to experiment with.
21:14 rhcl this one is pretty good, I think:
21:15 trea paid support?
21:15 wahanui please see for a list of paid Koha support vendors.
21:15 jcamins_away aarkerio: any VPS with 512MB/RAM will work. Choose a cheap one.
21:15 jcamins_away Then upgrade to a better server when necessary.
21:15 aarkerio mm, perfect! thanks guys!!
21:15 wizzyrea vendors?
21:15 wahanui Koha Support Providers can be found at
21:16 wizzyrea hosting?
21:16 wahanui Koha Support Proveders can be found at
21:17 * jcamins_away departs.
21:17 wizzyrea for reals? you've been away all day :P
21:17 slef wizzyrea: ITYM "out to lunch"
21:18 rhcl Proveders?
21:18 wizzyrea you know how to fix it :P
21:18 rhcl me? No. I never had that class.
21:18 rhcl And I asusme I don't have permissions?
21:19 wizzyrea everybody has permissions to wahanui
21:19 slef everybody?
21:19 wahanui i think everybody is so enthusiastic today :)
21:19 wizzyrea afaik, yea
21:19 wizzyrea i've never seen anyone not able to teach him stuff.
21:20 wizzyrea no, wahanui, hosting is <reply> Koha Support Providers can be found at
21:20 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
21:20 wizzyrea there, now you know how :P
21:20 slef fudget talk?
21:20 slef fudge talk?
21:20 slef all this muffin and fudge talk?
21:20 slef bah
21:20 slef ketchup?
21:20 wahanui it has been said that ketchup is typing
21:21 wizzyrea yes, less talk of food, more fixing things.
21:21 slef creating vendors with the superuser?
21:21 wahanui well, creating vendors with the superuser is wrong then?
21:22 rhcl hosting?
21:22 wahanui Koha Support Providers can be found at
21:23 rhcl wahanui tester is deleteme
21:23 wahanui OK, rhcl.
21:23 rhcl tester?
21:23 wahanui tester is deleteme
21:23 rhcl wahanui forget tester
21:23 wahanui rhcl: I forgot tester
21:23 rhcl tester?
21:24 rhcl seems to work
21:24 wizzyrea just like that, you know how to fish.
21:24 wizzyrea :)
21:24 rhcl wonder if the carp are biting?
21:33 cait good night all
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21:34 wizzyrea what is the syspref for "Added a checked out from colum to list of checked out items
21:34 wizzyrea (syspref controlled)
21:34 maximep should bug 6709 assigned to 3.4 or 3.6 ? Is there a plan for more 3.4 releases ?
21:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6709 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , marc21_field_006.xml and marc21_field_008.xml can't be translated.
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22:36 trea anyone heard of a bug regarding patrons with a space in the surname (ie, Van Wilder) not showing up in ?
22:36 wizzyrea I have not heard of that one
22:37 trea k. it's browseable; i can find it with an alphabetical browse. but doing a search on yields nothing
22:37 wizzyrea oh
22:37 wizzyrea you mean searching
22:37 wizzyrea what version?
22:37 trea
22:37 wizzyrea what's the exact search they're doing?
22:37 trea Van<space>Wilder
22:38 trea (not the real last name, but same idea)
22:38 trea or permutations therein
22:38 wizzyrea hmm
22:38 wizzyrea I wonder what would happen if they had the first name
22:38 wizzyrea like
22:38 wizzyrea luke van wilder
22:39 trea same result
22:39 wizzyrea i wonder if 10 is before the 3 part name searching fix went in
22:39 wizzyrea if it is, then yea, that's a known bug
22:39 wizzyrea that 3 part name searching doesn't work
22:39 wizzyrea but let me check something quickly
22:40 bg wizzyrea: you are correct
22:40 bg that came in after .010 IRC
22:40 wizzyrea nekls sponsored the fix for that :p
22:41 trea ah, k - i wondered if this was part of the unified patron search
22:41 wizzyrea[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6253
22:41 huginn Bug 6253: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine
22:42 wizzyrea now, if they look for
22:42 wizzyrea well, if you have a 4 part name (2 first, 2 last) or more than 2 in the surname
22:43 wizzyrea example first: luke owen last: van wilder
22:43 wizzyrea searching for owen van won't work
22:46 wizzyrea but 3 part searching will work after the update to 3.6.0
22:48 trea thanks for the info. wizzyrea++
22:48 wizzyrea hehe, np
22:52 bg wait isn't giving wizzyrea good karma like giving yourself good karma
22:52 * bg quickly goes off to fire up another user in here - so I can bg++ to my hearts content ;)
22:52 huginn bg: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
22:52 bg HAH wahanui - just said to me "please don't karma yourself"
22:53 wizzyrea bg++ for reminding me that it wasn't in 10 yet
22:53 wizzyrea and bg++ for the signoff.
22:53 wizzyrea hey, while you're in a sign-offy mood
22:53 trea ha
22:53 * bg is afraid to give wizzyrea karma #ifyouknowwhati'msayingandithinkthatyoudo
22:54 trea .....i, i got nuthin.
22:54 wizzyrea bug 7157 - I would like another person to test it
22:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7157 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, NEW , Improve the cronjob
22:54 wizzyrea it has one but... it changes stuff automatically so I think it should have another :P
22:58 trea is now known as trea-away
23:00 wizzyrea oph hey, and inner searching for patrons works now too
23:00 wizzyrea apparently
23:01 wizzyrea I just searched for a patron nancy rene fury jr
23:01 wizzyrea fury jr in sur, nancy rene in first
23:01 wizzyrea and rene fury brought back our patron
23:02 wizzyrea squee!
23:03 wizzyrea @later tell sekjal looks like inner searching for patrons is now working? Woot!
23:03 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
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23:31 jcamins_away is now known as jcamins
23:33 jcamins wizzyrea: the difference between jcamins and jcamins_away is that jcamins_away can't be relied upon to see the message notifications.
23:33 jcamins Well, okay, I guess jcamins can't be relied upon to see messages either, but it's somewhat more likely.
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23:59 Phlunk3 hey guys, sorry I have only ever installed koha and don't know much about the use, I want to create a new backend user so we aren't using the db user/pass any more, can someone tell me how? :P
23:59 jcamins Phlunk3: it's in the patrons module.
23:59 jcamins manual?
23:59 wahanui i think manual is at
23:59 Phlunk3 thanks
23:59 jcamins ^^ you can read about creating staff patrons in the manual

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