IRC log for #koha, 2011-11-10

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00:02 * rangi tries a more intensive one
00:06 rangi a badly constructed query http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]a/svc/report?id=7  takes 29.17s
00:06 rangi 382ms
00:06 rangi from cache
00:06 rangi that'll do :)
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00:53 * druthb is home at last.
00:56 rangi yay!
00:56 rangi long long trip back eh?
00:56 druthb about thirty hours-ish.
00:57 rangi thats not a huge amount of fun
00:57 druthb nope nope nope.
00:57 druthb one great big hop in a ginormous 777, then two hops in puddle-jumpers.
00:58 druthb (then an hour drive.)
00:58 rangi 777 is quite a nice plane, i like them a lot more than the 747
00:59 druthb nice ride, definitely.
00:59 rangi i still want to fly in one of those insanely big aribuses
01:00 rangi the 320s are ok
01:00 rangi but i want to try a 380
01:00 rangi airnz is buying (has bought) some
01:02 * wizzyrea wants to try the 380's too
01:02 trea-away is now known as trea
01:02 trea chur bro
01:03 druthb hi, wizzyrea n trea!
01:03 druthb tell teh spud I said hello, too
01:03 trea hi druthb. glad you're home
01:03 wizzyrea :) he's watching strawberry shortcake lol
01:04 rangi heh
01:04 * druthb is going to bed, right away quick.
01:05 rangi fair enough
01:05 wizzyrea yes, do that
01:05 druthb g'night, friends.
01:05 druthb be well.
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01:06 trea night. bah.
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01:06 needhelp hello
01:06 wahanui niihau, needhelp
01:06 needhelp hello everyboddy
01:06 rangi is now known as needcake
01:06 needhelp as my nick says, i need help =) there is someone to give it to me?
01:07 eythian wahanui: help
01:07 needcake we wont know until we hear your question
01:07 needcake is now known as rangi
01:07 eythian wahanui: need help
01:07 wahanui eythian: huh?
01:07 needhelp i am trying to migrate data from INmagic to Koha
01:07 eythian wahanui: \i need help is <reply>Just ask.
01:07 wahanui OK, eythian.
01:07 eythian wahanui: \I need help is <reply>Just ask.
01:07 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian.
01:07 needhelp does koha provide a way to help migration?
01:08 rangi yep, it can import bibliographic data from MARC files, and borrowers from .csv
01:09 rangi what it cant do, is get your data out of whatever system into those formats
01:10 needhelp and what about clients information?
01:10 needhelp can it be imported to koha in an easy way_?
01:10 eythian that's borrowers
01:10 needhelp ohh, sorry, english is not always my best field...
01:11 needhelp so you say i can export everything from Inmagic and get it imported in koha?
01:13 jwagner With some work, yes. You'll need to make sure your Koha system has matching policies for your branchcodes, item types, patron categories, etc., and format your item and patron data in the way Koha expects.
01:15 jwagner See this section of the online manual: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]tml#imp-migration
01:15 needhelp and what about the history? the transactions made, the reservations, etc?
01:15 eythian it's all possible, but not quite so easy
01:16 eythian I use scripts that poke those things directly into the database
01:16 jwagner Also see this for formatting item data, which Koha expects in a 952 field: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]html#itemcatguide
01:16 needhelp ok
01:17 needhelp so you say i have to undertand the database structure of koha and insert the data right into it?
01:17 eythian for some things, yeah. Things that it's less common to want to import (e.g. circ history)
01:17 jwagner yes, for anything outside bibs/items and patrons
01:18 eythian conveniently, they're pretty much the easier things, too,.
01:18 rangi schema?
01:18 wahanui rumour has it schema is tracked in git. or found at
01:18 wizzyrea ^^ so helpful
01:18 wizzyrea eythian++  for a tool I use every day
01:20 wizzyrea[…]-hackerspace.html
01:21 wizzyrea libraries with hackerspaces!
01:21 rangi needhelp: what version of koha are you installing 3.6.0 ?
01:21 needhelp i have been watching the koha schema, there is a "koha" database and a "library" one.... what's the difference?
01:22 rangi ?
01:22 rangi  are you looking here?
01:22 rangi there is only a koha one
01:23 needhelp i am using the 3.4.3 verison
01:23 rangi right, there should only be a koha database
01:23 rangi i dont know where the library one came from
01:23 wizzyrea packages?
01:23 wahanui package info is at[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
01:23 rangi but koha only uses one database (could be called anything, usually called koha)
01:24 rangi the packages dont make an extra db, at leats not as far as i know
01:24 needhelp ok... i am just watching in the phpmyadmin
01:24 rangi that might be some other database someone/something else made
01:25 needhelp ohhh, the thing is a i havent installed koha, it is a live cd gsdl-koha
01:25 needhelp that the reason of the library database for sure.
01:25 wizzyrea well, my one started from the packages has a koha and a koha-lecompton
01:26 wizzyrea and I am pretty sure I didn't create the koha db
01:26 wizzyrea myself
01:26 needhelp okis.... so koha is the one..
01:26 needhelp great
01:26 rangi that library one will be greenstone needhelp
01:26 rangi wizzyrea: i only have the one
01:26 needhelp yes
01:26 wizzyrea well weird... wonder what black magic I did then ^.^
01:27 rangi well i actually have 8
01:27 rangi but they are all koha-something
01:27 needhelp let me tell those i have...
01:28 eythian wizzyrea: the packages only create one db per instance
01:28 wizzyrea does it create a default instance?
01:29 needhelp i have: dbwiz-resources , koha and library
01:29 eythian no, though the koha package _might_, it's been a while since I've looked at it.
01:29 eythian (as opposed to koha-common)
01:29 needhelp that's how it comes from the live cd..
01:30 wizzyrea eythian: I bet I did apt-get install koha
01:30 rangi yeah, so koha is the only one to do with koha
01:30 wizzyrea instead of koha-common
01:30 wizzyrea (this was several weeks ago)
01:30 wizzyrea that has to be it.
01:30 needhelp ok, KOHA has 130 talbes???
01:30 needhelp man, i will lose my summer on it...
01:31 needhelp *tables
01:33 needhelp i will keep looking at koha features..... if i need help again (for sure i will!!!) i will come here...
01:33 needhelp you have been all so kind!!
01:33 needhelp thank you
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01:42 rangi wonder how this went
01:43 rangi
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02:16 rangi damn
02:16 rangi i still cant remember who i was gonna write up
02:16 wizzyrea the spanish manual translators?
02:17 rangi oh yeah
02:17 rangi good idea!
02:20 rangi ill do
02:20 rangi
02:21 trea i need to delete some branches from an install - i've already confirmed they have no issues or holds. can i get a sanity check on these statements?
02:23 rangi looking now
02:24 rangi that should be ok, the only other plce itemnumber is sometime used
02:24 rangi is
02:24 rangi accountlines
02:24 rangi what i would do first
02:24 rangi is do
02:24 rangi select * from borrowers where branchcode='xxx' into outfile '/tmp/deletedborrowers';
02:25 rangi then put that file somewhere safe
02:25 rangi do the same with the items
02:25 rangi then, you at least have all the data if they go
02:25 rangi oh crap, we didnt mean it ;)
02:25 * rangi is paranoid
02:25 trea you and me both rangi
02:25 * wizzyrea has had people do that
02:25 * rangi too
02:25 trea but they tell me paranoia is a virtue. along with laziness.
02:26 rangi and being able to make great pizza
02:26 wizzyrea and hummus
02:26 rangi and throwing out random stupidity
02:26 wizzyrea but you know the secret to great hummus?
02:26 rangi garlic?
02:26 wizzyrea skin the chickpeas!
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02:27 wizzyrea all the garlic in the world won't get rid of the grainy texture of the chickpea hulls
02:27 trea ^^
02:27 * wizzyrea shares random food knowledge. Wanders off.
02:28 rangi hehe
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02:35 talljoy how do you skin chickpeas?
02:35 * talljoy thinks....
02:36 rangi you need small children
02:36 rangi with their tiny hands
02:36 rangi and a whip
02:36 rangi or you probably soak them and the skins come off
02:36 rangi take your pick ;)
02:37 trea eh
02:37 trea heh*
02:38 trea do i need to be the root db user to dump that info? i'm getting acccess denied as the koha user
02:39 rangi ah yeah, to write to the file system, yup
02:39 trea k, that's what i figured
02:43 talljoy my small children have morphed into giants overnight.
02:44 * talljoy thinks it must be the Texas water
02:44 rangi no peeled chickpeas for you then
02:44 talljoy :-(
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02:50 rangi http://cooking.stackexchange.c[…]ou-peel-chickpeas
02:50 rangi stackexchange is great
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02:51 talljoy good tips.  next time i'm in the mood for hummus....i'll just buy some
02:51 rangi hehe
02:51 trea where's the fun in that? :P
02:51 talljoy actually, this probably explains why my homemade hummus was never satisfying
02:51 talljoy i may try this.  chickpeas are cheap as dirt
02:52 rangi speaking of hummus
02:52 rangi i meant to tell nate i ate at abrakebabra twice last week
02:53 trea lucky!
02:53 trea i love that place
02:53 trea i would eat there everyday if i could
02:53 rangi hehe, nate did
02:53 talljoy never heard of it
02:53 trea kebab shop in welly
02:53 talljoy ah.
02:54 talljoy chur
02:54 rangi hehe
02:54 talljoy :-D
02:55 trea :D
02:55 trea i did get to eat some really great pho for lunch today tho
02:55 rangi http://thisisphotobomb.memebas[…]ving-a-nice-trip/
02:55 talljoy i love pho
02:55 talljoy hahahahaha
02:55 talljoy i had a great thai green curry
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02:57 rangi mm green curry is good too
02:57 rangi i think might make that for dinner
02:58 talljoy yum
02:58 talljoy i could eat thai morning, lunch, dinner
02:59 trea there's a place in town that makes a tempeh phad thai that is awesome. we have a surprising number of decent thai restaraunts for kansas.
02:59 talljoy would of thunk it
02:59 rangi @later tell paul_p the main developer for piwik lives in wellington now (but is french) im all for piwik, its very cool
02:59 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
02:59 rangi ohhh thai
02:59 rangi oh hey trea
02:59 rangi did i show you the kansas bbq one they have here?
03:00 trea liz did. crazy!
03:00 rangi
03:00 rangi havent tried it yet
03:00 rangi its on my todo list
03:00 trea was my next question
03:01 trea you would think it would be difficult to get hickory for smoking past biosecurity
03:01 rangi im hoping the decor is as tacky as the website
03:01 trea lol
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03:01 trea hope springs eternal
03:02 trea unless they grow it natively
03:03 rangi yeah true
03:08 wizzyrea uh, I use the canned chickpeas
03:08 wizzyrea and you just kinda slip the skins off
03:08 wizzyrea it's like knitting, put on a show, skin some chickpeas
03:09 rangi :)
03:10 wizzyrea i imagine, with the penchant for english trees, that hickory is probably grown somewhere in NZ in some fashion
03:10 rangi i bet you are right
03:14 * jcamins_away sends rangi some cake.
03:14 jcamins_away Or, well, skinned chickpeas.
03:15 jcamins_away But it's almost like cake.
03:15 rangi :)
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03:28 Oak kia ora #koha
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03:32 Amit_Gupta heya chris
03:34 rangi hi Oak and Amit_Gupta
03:34 Oak :-) hello rangi
03:34 wizzyrea hi everybody
03:35 Amit_Gupta heya wizzyrea
03:35 wahanui I LIKE BAO or all about the resluts
03:35 Amit_Gupta heya Oak ;D
03:35 wizzyrea hehe
03:35 Oak Amit_Gupta :] good to see you
03:49 trea heading out. night #koha
03:49 rangi cya trea
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04:10 rangi search faq?
04:10 wahanui search faq is at[…]on/faq/searching/
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04:17 rangi hi savitra
04:20 savitra Hi Chris..
04:20 savitra dont hangout in the irc too often..trying to change that..
04:20 rangi did you make it to kohacon in the end?
04:21 savitra yes I did..I was there day 2 thru day 6
04:21 rangi excellent
04:22 rangi it sounded like a good conference
04:23 savitra it was..learnt a few things..but for me and Amit it was important to meet and get to know people
04:24 rangi *nod*
04:24 rangi the people are always the most important bit
04:24 savitra we had a good chat with Robin on Open Library..
04:24 rangi excellent
04:24 savitra and we have sent some improvements to your original open libray patch..
04:26 rangi I think slef was looking at them
04:27 savitra yes and the openlibrary developers are here in bangalore, we can get them over to our offices at any time to collaborate..
04:27 savitra we were hoping to meet you at the conference, but next time I guess..
04:29 eythian
04:31 rangi yeah I had 4 conferences in 3 weeks
04:31 rangi couldn't fit a 5th one in unfortunately
04:31 rangi but maybe see you in scotland :)
04:32 edveal Where is Koha12, in Scotland?
04:32 rangi very handy the developers are so close
04:32 rangi yep
04:32 rangi edinburgh
04:32 wahanui edinburgh is for sure now
04:32 rangi june ish
04:33 rangi we should have firm dates in the next couple of weeks
04:33 edveal Ok, I have to find a way to go and bring my wife... I just started with ByWater and have a clear goal now.  LOL
04:33 rangi the organisers were just confirming a venue
04:33 rangi heh oh hi edveal :)
04:34 rangi ur in the US?
04:34 edveal rangi, I am in Texas and met you in Plano. I know you don't remember me but I remember you.
04:34 rangi Hehe all bad I hope :)
04:34 eythian he was wearing tha tchicken suit? That's how you remember him?
04:35 edveal I am good friends with Ruth (DRuth) and have been for years.
04:35 rangi did u stay for hackfest in plano?
04:35 rangi ahhhh
04:36 rangi any friend of ruth has to be worth knowing :)
04:36 edveal No I was not that advanced... LOL Actually my wife's best friend lives in the area so I was committed elsewhere.
04:36 talljoy woot.  another Texas Bywaterian.
04:37 rangi ahh I feel less bad for not remembering then
04:37 rangi :)
04:37 edveal :)
04:38 edveal I was a nobody at the time. I was trying to convince my SirsiDynix library to make the move to Koha but was unsuccessful.
04:38 talljoy i'm tapped out for the day.  l8r
04:38 rangi ahh, so u made the move instead eh :)
04:38 rangi cya talljoy
04:39 edveal Good night talljoy.
04:39 talljoy buenos noches
04:40 edveal For someone that grew up in San Antonio I wish I knew more spanish... LOL
04:40 rangi :)
04:41 talljoy si
04:41 talljoy hasta luego!
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04:41 edveal "buenos noches" good night but what is the response?
04:41 rangi right my bus stop, good to meet you edveal and good to see u again savitra
04:42 rangi bbl
04:42 edveal And talljoy is from Fort Worth I am very embarrassed.
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05:17 cait hi #koha
05:18 eythian hi cait
05:18 cait hi eythian
05:18 cait still at work?
05:18 eythian yeah, probably going to be a late one tonight.
05:18 cait oh
05:18 cait migration?
05:18 wahanui i guess migration is hard or <reply>If only they were using Koha to start with...
05:18 eythian helping out with something of an emergency
05:18 eythian (not koha related)
05:19 cait oh
05:19 cait hope it will be ok then
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05:19 eythian It's mostly terrible time constraints on a project using a toolkit that I'm the only person here who's ever used it before. And that was two+ years ago.
05:20 francharb morning #koha
05:20 eythian that was a terrible sentence, also.
05:20 cait I still understood it :)
05:20 cait morning francharb :)
05:22 eythian hi francharb
05:24 Amit_Gupta heya Robin
05:25 eythian howdy
05:25 cait hi Amit_Gupta :)
05:25 Amit_Gupta heya cait
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06:26 rangi hmm is dpavlin_away really away?
06:27 eythian probably, it's something like 8.30 there and he's not much of a morning person :)
06:28 rangi :)
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06:52 magnuse kia ora #koha
06:53 rangi heya magnuse :)
06:53 cait morning magnuse :)
06:53 magnuse hiya rangi and cait and everyone
07:23 * mtj_goa waves from goa
07:23 mtj_goa morning all
07:23 * magnuse waves back
07:23 cait oh
07:23 cait mtj in goa :)
07:23 * cait waves too
07:24 magnuse staying long in india, mtj_goa?
07:24 mtj_goa heya cait :)
07:25 mtj_goa fly back on the 16th
07:25 dpavlin_away is now known as dpavlin
07:25 rangi hey mtj_goa and dpavlin
07:26 alex_away hi
07:27 dpavlin How would you push biblio and/or item data into Koha from external digital archive?
07:27 rangi hi alex_away
07:27 dpavlin I'm interested into first-time import as well as potential update since master data is in archive
07:27 rangi dpavlin: with the stage marc import?
07:27 magnuse cait is doing something like that i think
07:27 rangi and www::mechanize
07:27 cait yep
07:28 alex_away is now known as alex_a
07:28 cait we are using the scripts for staged marc import
07:28 cait but my coworker wrote the program to automate it - not sure how it works exactly
07:28 magnuse but from a script, not from the web ui, right?
07:29 dpavlin Something without user interaction and with some kind on non-chaning API would be perfect.
07:29 mtj_goa and hi magnus and dobrica too
07:29 rangi yeah, you could script it www::mechanize
07:29 rangi or just use bulkmarcimport from the cli
07:29 dpavlin We are using marc bulk import from our eprints currently, but I'm going to meeting where remote side will be Java application :-(
07:30 rangi hmm
07:30 magnuse will the data be in marc?
07:30 dpavlin No. But we can define fixed mapping to MARC for Koha (on Koha's side if at all possible ;-)
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07:31 rangi morning paul_p
07:31 dpavlin I could wrap some HTTP/JSON to MARC API, but I'm wondering does something similar allready exists.
07:32 rangi not in koha
07:32 rangi we have plenty of ways to get data out
07:32 rangi but only a couple to get it in
07:32 rangi
07:32 rangi and then the staged marc import in the staff interface
07:33 dpavlin rangi: Yap, but users don't enter data in Koha but in digital archive.
07:34 rangi yep
07:34 dpavlin I'm also thinking about puting Gearman in the middle and hang Koha import worker on one side and Java worker on another
07:34 rangi im just saying those are the 2 interfaces for putting data in
07:34 rangi so if they dont work, youd have to construct another one
07:35 rangi take a look in svc/
07:35 rangi there is the start of a restful api for doing that kinda thing
07:35 dpavlin rangi++ /svc/new_bib seems to be good start :-)
07:36 rangi its how was going to work with koha
07:39 cait yes, using staged marc import from command line
07:39 cait what we do
07:39 cait reading backnow
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07:41 dpavlin It seems that MarcXML or Marc-JSON over HTTP might be easiest way (and somewhat userful for others) way to do it. However, since remote side isn't done by librarians I'm reluctant to move MARC structure and mapping to remote side.
07:41 reiveune hello
07:41 cait I think a restful api would be great
07:41 cait for things like ILL too
07:41 cait we have been talking about it, but no time to investigate
07:42 rangi we svc/ mostly works
07:42 rangi i think extending that will be of benefit to the project as a whole
07:43 dpavlin rangi: me too. I will try to write up RFC for it on wiki after meeting to give it a few more eyeballs before I implement something.
07:44 rangi yay
07:44 rangi thank you
07:45 cait dpavlin++ :)
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07:59 rangi hi sophie_m and Bren
07:59 sophie_m hello rangi, hi #koha
07:59 Bren Hello
08:00 rangi oh and i missed saying hi to reiveune
08:00 reiveune haha, hi rangi and everybody
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08:12 * eythian really should go home
08:13 rangi yeah its getting pretty late
08:13 rangi do they want you to go up north? i see norm is on his way up
08:16 eythian they do, but I can't because I have to go to AU on Tuesday morning
08:16 rangi right
08:17 eythian I've been relearning all the java stuff I used to do, now I'm going to spend half an hour working on my presentation and then go home.
08:17 rangi cool
08:19 julian_m hi all
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08:19 rangi hi julian_m
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08:20 kf morning #koha
08:21 asaurat good morning !
08:21 kf hi asaurat :)
08:22 rangi hi asaurat and kf
08:22 kf morning rangi
08:23 asaurat foo doo fa fa
08:23 kf huh?
08:25 asaurat that's how the NZ guys from "Flight of the Conchords" perceive the french language ;)
08:25 eythian seems pretty accurate :)
08:25 asaurat you can find a funny music video about it =)
08:25 rangi :)
08:25 magnuse
08:25 rangi from wellington in fact
08:26 rangi is still my fave
08:26 asaurat hehe, sure, business time :D :D
08:27 asaurat "the humans are dead" is pretty impressive too, with its binary solo ;)
08:27 rangi did they ever show the tv series there?
08:28 magnuse Flight of the Conchords is from nz?
08:28 rangi yes
08:28 rangi from wellington
08:28 rangi
08:28 * magnuse didn't know that
08:29 rangi explains kiwis vs aussies :)
08:30 * kf saves links for later when at hoem
08:30 magnuse hehe, good one ;-)
08:30 * magnuse is at home all the time...
08:30 asaurat don't have any TV, but I don't think it was translated in French (hopefully), so we have to watch it online
08:33 asaurat have to disconnect for a meeting
08:33 asaurat foo doo fa fa !!
08:33 asaurat jacques cousteau
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08:33 magnuse season 1 & 2 are on their way...
08:34 rangi heh
08:34 rangi their shows are good
08:34 rangi but i still like their standup better
08:37 magnuse i think they visited norway a year or two ago
08:38 rangi could well have done
08:38 rangi brett is also in a couple of bands, one of them being the wellington ukulele orchestra :)
08:39 magnuse hehe
08:42 eythian Wellington *international* ukulele orchestra :)
08:42 rangi hehe
08:43 rangi they are pretty good
08:43 magnuse ooh, big difference that
08:43 rangi but not a patch on the ukulele orchestra of great britain
08:44 eythian a friend of mine accidentally ended up with one of their ukuleles, after it was delivered to his house by mistake.
08:44 rangi
08:44 eythian Fortunately, he was already a fan and saw when they posted on facebook that they were missing one
08:44 eythian got a free ticket out of it I think
08:45 * eythian -> home
08:45 rangi :)
08:46 kf have anice evening eythian
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08:53 magnuse no debian packages for 3.6.0 yet, right?
08:54 rangi yep there are
08:54 rangi http://debian.koha-community.o[…]pool/main/k/koha/
08:54 magnuse ah, cool!
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08:58 magnuse i have a swedish library ( asking when there will be packages of 3.6.0 - maybe they have to change something in /etc/apt/sources.list or thereabouts to get it?
08:58 rangi hmm shouldnt
08:59 rangi unless they were running the squeeze-dev ones
08:59 rangi ie 3.5.x
08:59 magnuse their opac says Koha 3.0405000 now
09:00 magnuse if that is running off the packages, wouldn't 3.4.6 be the next logical step?
09:00 magnuse (i'm not sure they have actually moved to the packages yet)
09:00 rangi 3.6.0 is the latest stable package
09:01 rangi the problem is we now have 2 stables
09:01 magnuse yup
09:01 rangi when eythian has some time
09:01 rangi HAH
09:01 magnuse :-)
09:01 rangi we'll sort it out, stable oldstable and dev or something
09:03 magnuse sounds like a plan
09:04 magnuse but they could download the 3.6.0 package from http://debian.koha-community.o[…]pool/main/k/koha/ and just install it with dpkg, if they are in a hurry, right?
09:04 magnuse i'll tell them might want to wait for 3.6.1 anyway...
09:04 rangi yeah but easier to just add the source and do it properly
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09:05 rangi if they follow the instructions to install squeeze one, they will get 3.6.0
09:05 rangi then will be able to upgrade to 3.6.1 easy
09:05 rangi if they were already using packages
09:05 rangi then apt-get update
09:05 rangi apt-get upgrade will get them 3.6.0
09:06 magnuse ah ok, if you say so :-)
09:06 rangi yeah it will
09:06 * rangi has done it on 2 sites
09:06 magnuse i believe you! ;-)
09:06 rangi as long as they ahve in their sources.list
09:07 rangi deb squeeze main
09:07 rangi if they dpkg it, it will not pull in the dependencies
09:07 magnuse because squeeze = stable and latest stable = 3.6.0
09:07 rangi yup
09:07 magnuse ok, thanks
09:08 magnuse that reminds me of another thing i meant to ask
09:08 magnuse i want to host my customers on the packages
09:08 rangi http://debian.koha-community.o[…]ry-amd64/Packages
09:08 magnuse and i want them to be as close to the official version as possible
09:08 rangi cool
09:08 magnuse but sometimes i will need to apply a patch before it gets into a package
09:09 rangi yup
09:09 rangi what you can do is
09:09 rangi apply the patch
09:09 rangi build the package
09:09 magnuse is it feasible to mostly run off the official packages, but when needs arise apply a patch, build a package and run off that until the patch is in an official package?
09:10 magnuse and then go back to running off the official packages?
09:10 rangi name it 3.6.0-1~something
09:10 rangi then when 3.6.1 comes along its newer
09:10 rangi exactly
09:10 rangi the easiest way to do it
09:10 rangi is to run a apt repository urself
09:11 rangi using reprepro
09:11 rangi
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09:11 magnuse i think i tried that, but gor confused by some of the debian lingo...
09:11 rangi right
09:12 rangi its actually not as hard as it seems
09:12 magnuse ah, so i could set that up to mirror the official packages, and then sneak my custom packages in between the official ones?
09:12 rangi exacterly
09:12 magnuse very cool
09:12 rangi and you clients have
09:13 rangi
09:13 rangi in their sources.list
09:13 rangi so you can push a new package up to your apt repo
09:13 magnuse yeah (but i'll be doing the hosting on my servers, mostly, i hope)
09:13 rangi and then apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
09:13 rangi yourself
09:13 magnuse yeah, i see
09:14 magnuse i better take the time to get that repo set up!
09:14 rangi :)
09:15 rangi im going to see if we can get lars to give his tutorial on debian packaging and repos at the kohacon12 dev conference :)
09:15 rangi it was very useful
09:15 rangi i learnt a lot
09:15 magnuse that would be awesome!
09:16 magnuse[…]ist_for_KohaCon12
09:17 rangi :)
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09:17 magnuse kia ora hdl
09:18 hdl hi
09:18 rangi hi hdl
09:18 magnuse rangi: thanks for your tips on the packages - that sorted out some things I have been wondering about!
09:18 rangi no problem
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09:25 magnuse o/
09:26 druthb hi, magnuse.
09:26 magnuse namaste druthb
09:26 druthb :)
09:26 rangi hey druthb :)
09:26 druthb hi, rangi!
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10:27 ropuch Hello #koha
10:29 rangi hi ropuch
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10:35 druthb o/
10:35 Amit_Gupta heya druthb
10:36 druthb Hi, Amit_Gupta. :)
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10:46 ropuch Anybody knows what "gg." abreviation after publication year stands for? I saw that in some russian biblio description
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10:51 fabio_t Hi #koha
10:56 Amit_Gupta heya ropuch, fabio_t
10:57 fabio_t Hi Amit_Gupta
10:58 fabio_t I have a problem with the MARC framework test in Koha 3.6 packages
10:59 fabio_t the test complains about biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber being not linked to MARC
11:00 fabio_t while (if I go to the Koha-MARC links section) they are
11:00 fabio_t correctly linked.
11:02 fabio_t from the Koha-MARC links page, biblionumber is linked to 001 @
11:03 fabio_t biblioitemnumber to 090 a
11:03 fabio_t I can't rebuild Zebra because of it (I think so)
11:03 magnuse @marc 090a
11:03 huginn magnuse: unknown tag 090a
11:04 magnuse @marc 090
11:04 huginn magnuse: unknown tag 090
11:04 magnuse hmf
11:06 fabio_t so no record found by search
11:06 fabio_t when I run koha-rebuild-zebra -f instanceName
11:07 fabio_t I got...
11:08 fabio_t a message similar to this: [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
11:09 fabio_t (I ran the command again two minutes ago but I'm still waiting the output...)
11:11 liw rangi, you've got your work cut for you, getting me to give a Debian packaging tutorial... you'll need to tell me when the conference is!
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11:11 fabio_t I tried to edit Zebra's record.abs for UNIMARC (Italy) with no results
11:12 magnuse liw: june, in edinburgh - the specific dates have not been set yet i think
11:13 fabio_t changing "melm 001        Local-number,Local-number:n" to "melm 001$@        Local-number,Local-number:n"
11:14 fabio_t and "melm 090$9      Local-number,Local-number:n" to "melm 090$a      Local-number,Local-number:n"
11:14 magnuse hm, are you sure 001$@ is right?
11:16 fabio_t hi magnuse
11:16 fabio_t 001$@ in Koha-MARC page or in record.abs?
11:17 magnuse hiya fabio_t
11:17 magnuse in record.abs
11:17 magnuse i have never tried changing it myself, though...
11:18 fabio_t (yep, output it's the same in my shell: 12:09:22-10/11 zebraidx(18798) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
11:19 fabio_t I don't know magnuse, I matched it with Koha one
11:20 fabio_t I'm wondering which is the current standard though
11:20 magnuse i think record.abs needs melm 001
11:22 magnuse 001$@ is just a way of saying 001 is a controlfield that does not have subfields - it's just shorthand in the koha interface, i think
11:22 fabio_t somewhere i read 090$c/$d (Koha lists), somewhere 090$9 (Zebra's record.abs), elsewhere 090$a (3.6 packaged's framework)
11:22 magnuse you are using unimarc?
11:22 fabio_t thank you for pointing this out!
11:23 fabio_t i'm going to change it and restart Zebra, let's see
11:23 fabio_t yes I do, UNIMARC installation and UNIMARC imported records
11:26 fabio_t ok
11:26 magnuse fingers crossed!
11:26 fabio_t now I'm running koha-rebuild-zebra -f kohatest again
11:26 fabio_t :)
11:27 magnuse and this time it runs?
11:27 fabio_t uh, by the way, records work fine in other installation (Koha 3.0)
11:28 fabio_t it's still running
11:29 fabio_t should it just take a few seconds?
11:29 magnuse depends on the number of records
11:29 fabio_t ok, it was a quite large import
11:30 fabio_t 30k records
11:32 fabio_t no way.
11:32 fabio_t I'm going to comment the 090 line
11:32 magnuse yeah, that could take some time, depending on the machine it's running on
11:33 magnuse shouldn't take too long, though
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11:42 fabio_t no, still failing...
11:42 fabio_t thank you magnuse
11:42 fabio_t I have to quit
11:42 fabio_t see you
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13:01 druthb o/
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13:22 muddle Hi there! I am currently facing a MySQL database corruption due to an unexpected server shutdown. It appears that the table "import_records" was corrupted and cannot be repaired.
13:23 muddle Does the table "import_records" contain any important information or can I just truncate this table? Thank you!
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13:25 oleonard schema?
13:25 wahanui rumour has it schema is tracked in git. or found at
13:25 druthb good morning, oleonard.
13:25 oleonard muddle: It seems to be related to the history of records you've imported into Koha using the Stage MARC record tool
13:26 jwagner If you do truncate it, you should check first for relationships to other tables, like import_batches and the other import_* tables
13:27 oleonard Hence the schema link
13:27 jwagner Correct
13:27 muddle Ah, thanks for the pointers.
13:30 oleonard Safely home now druthb?
13:31 druthb yes, I'm back in TN, with the Minion.
13:38 oleonard How did your Minion survive without your relentless oppressive orders giving her life meaning? :)
13:39 druthb She did well...has started getting up earlier, and she did some chores and things around here.  I'm glad she had a place to stay while I was away, but we're ready to get back on the road, I think.
13:41 * magnus_afk hums "on the road again"...
13:41 * druthb grins at magnus.
13:41 magnus_afk probably off key, though, sorry about that
13:42 druthb s'ok.
13:42 druthb Willie Nelson sings sharp, too.
13:42 magnus_afk yay
13:42 magnus_afk i'm like tone deaf...
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13:46 jcamins_away JesseM: welcome back to the US.
13:47 JesseM thx jcamins_away
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13:54 Oak @wunder islamabad
13:54 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 21.0�C (6:00 PM PKT on November 10, 2011). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
13:54 Oak oooh drizzle
13:54 * Oak goes to the roof
13:54 magnus_afk @wunder boo
13:54 huginn magnus_afk: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0�C (2:20 PM CET on November 10, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
13:54 jcamins @wunder 11375
13:54 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 13.4�C (8:51 AM EST on November 10, 2011). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady).
13:54 Oak magnus_afk
13:54 magnus_afk Oak
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13:55 Oak okay really really going to the roof now
13:55 Oak later
13:55 magnuse enjoy!
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13:58 druthb @wunder columbia, tn
13:58 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Spring Hill, Tennessee is 2.5�C (9:56 AM AST on November 10, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022.6 hPa (Steady).
13:58 druthb @wunder mumbai
13:58 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0�C (6:40 PM IST on November 10, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
13:58 druthb no wonder I'm cold.
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14:05 Oak yup. drizzling. dark clouds. city lights. cool breeze. bright headlights and red tail lights of cars. nice.
14:06 magnuse ooh, poetic!
14:06 Oak :)
14:06 * druthb waves to Oak.
14:06 Oak hello druthb :)
14:07 tcohen sopac vs. vufind?
14:07 jcamins tcohen: very different use cases, I think.
14:07 magnuse depends a little on what you want to do, i'd say
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14:08 tcohen i need to provide researchers a central place to look for material from libraries
14:10 tcohen i've just heard about sopac2 fr the first time while reading the 3.6 manual to respond to koha@lists
14:10 jcamins tcohen: my instinct is that you'd probably do better with vufind, but it really depends how your researchers would be using it.
14:11 tcohen thanks jcamins
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14:12 tcohen i think i'll have to dig a little on this topic to decide
14:12 * jcamins tosses JesseM some duct tape.
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14:19 Oak Brooke?
14:19 wahanui I'M TAKING THE PISS OUT OF 'EM. or a ratbag.
14:20 nengard HA!
14:23 druthb lol
14:23 tcohen wahanui is crazy
14:23 druthb wahanui: druthb?
14:23 wahanui you are probably rocking the sari.
14:23 druthb lol
14:23 tcohen exactly
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14:36 magnuse i forget... bugs should be reported against master or rel_3_8?
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14:37 oleonard I thought master
14:39 magnuse i'll try that, and then paul_p can flay me alive if it's wrong ;-)
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14:51 wizzyrea good morning.
14:51 magnuse kia ora wizzyrea
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14:52 trea o/
14:52 wizzyrea just curious question of the day: how does koha compute popularity for the popularity sort?
14:53 magnuse \o
14:53 magnuse number of times something has been issued? just guessing...
14:54 wizzyrea yea, idk either!
14:55 jcamins It's supposed to be number of times something has been issued.
14:55 jcamins I don't think it actually works.
14:58 wizzyrea hm oki thanks
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15:05 wahanui jcamins was last seen on #koha 10 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: I don't think it actually works. [Thu Nov 10 14:53:49 2011]
15:06 oleonard Stop hiding, jcamins, no one can find you.
15:06 libsysguy jcamins I just wanted to let you know that you were half right on the display bit from my overlaying question yesterday
15:06 libsysguy i actually can never tell if jcamins is himself or away
15:07 libsysguy i guess oleonard you might be interested too
15:07 libsysguy if you want to use the z-index property you have to have the position property defined
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15:13 rhcl whereis coffee
15:14 libsysguy $coffee->location();
15:14 rhcl echo $LOCATION
15:14 libsysguy Server Response: In Pot.
15:14 rhcl find . -name Pot -print
15:14 jcamins libsysguy: oh, position, not display.
15:14 jcamins Well, I was close.
15:15 oleonard Or in Drupal, $node->beverages['coffee']['location']['#value'];
15:15 jcamins :)
15:15 libsysguy true jcamins
15:15 libsysguy is frustrated with drupal modules
15:15 libsysguy i am **
15:15 oleonard Sorry, bad example. It's not sufficiently nested inside multiple arrays.
15:15 libsysguy exactly
15:19 rhcl One thing about Drupal we've decided is that you almost have to host your own installation so you have enough control to install the modules you need.
15:19 Oak home?
15:19 wahanui home is fine
15:20 rhcl most off-site hosted installations somehow don't have open enough permissions to let you install all they things you need.
15:21 libsysguy I just meant when writing my own
15:21 rhcl oak!
15:22 Oak rhcl! at last we meet...
15:22 libsysguy I want a feature module for blog posts but setting it up with the database queries and the blocks is a pain
15:22 rhcl and there's not a module for that already out there?
15:22 oleonard And Views won't do it?
15:25 Oak what's the link of your Drupal site?
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15:28 libsysguy
15:28 libsysguy well the one im working on
15:29 libsysguy It is kind of custom
15:29 * Oak works in Joomal
15:29 Oak crap
15:29 Oak Joomla
15:30 Oak very nice libsysguy !!
15:30 libsysguy gracias Oak
15:30 libsysguy did that over the weekend
15:31 Oak that clicky module under the horizontal nav. is it custom, or some module?
15:32 libsysguy custom...thats what im trying to write into a module and give back
15:32 Oak cool.
15:33 libsysguy still pretty new
15:34 druthb libsysguy++
15:34 Oak libsysguy++
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15:41 libsysguy aww thanks guys
15:42 libsysguy druthb are you guys back from india
15:42 druthb yes
15:43 * libsysguy plots how to harass sekjal about hourly and notices
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15:45 mle libsysguy++
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15:49 libsysguy just out of curiousity how to the ++'s contribute to you
15:49 libsysguy or is just just like an irc thanks
15:50 oleonard @karma libsysguy
15:50 huginn oleonard: Karma for "libsysguy" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13.
15:50 oleonard @karma ie
15:50 huginn oleonard: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 31 times for a total karma of -31.
15:51 libsysguy thats awesome
15:51 druthb @karma kmkale
15:51 huginn druthb: Karma for "kmkale" has been increased 29 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 29.
15:51 libsysguy @karma rangi
15:51 huginn libsysguy: Karma for "rangi" has been increased 439 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 434.
15:52 druthb kmkale++ #for a fantastic KohaCon.  Great job, for a first-time conference organizer.
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16:05 libsysguy wb koha-conners
16:05 libsysguy that came out wrong
16:07 reiveune bye
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16:08 libsysguy sekjal i just pushed a newly merged branch of master/hourly
16:09 wizzyrea libsysguy++
16:09 JesseM kmkale++
16:10 wizzyrea kmkale++
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16:21 francharb hi guys, ladies
16:21 francharb and bye guys, ladies
16:21 francharb jetlag is great! i wake up early to go to work! 6am this morning...
16:21 francharb wooo
16:21 francharb but at the end of the day
16:21 francharb well
16:21 francharb i need to sleeeeep
16:22 francharb anyway
16:22 francharb kmkale++
16:22 francharb anywau
16:22 francharb anyway
16:22 francharb ;)
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16:23 sekjal I woke up this morning with a craving for Indian food.  was not expecting that
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16:25 * jcamins always craves Indian food. ;)
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16:32 fabio_t hi!
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16:33 wizzyrea what would cause a reserve to have a NULL biblionumber?
16:34 oleonard Gremlins.
16:35 wizzyrea
16:36 druthb pixies!
16:37 oleonard Specifically Kim Deal.
16:37 wizzyrea lol
16:37 * druthb discovers that if you type "Bollywood" into Pandora, you get fun music that reminds me of about half the television channels in Mumbai.
16:37 wizzyrea ha, and they can't deleted
16:38 wizzyrea neat.
16:40 fabio_t I'm still stuck in the (UNI)MARC framework test error for Koha 3.6 packages... could anyone help?
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16:45 fabio_t I'm getting this error: biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber not linked to MARC
16:46 fabio_t but I've checked in the page Links between Koha and MARC and they seem to be properly linked.
16:49 fabio_t I can't rebuild Zebra index too, koha-rebuild-zebra -f instanceName returns this warning: [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
16:50 * wizzyrea doesn't know unimarc, sorry :(
16:50 fabio_t I tried editing Zebra UNIMARC's record.abs but with no luck
16:51 fabio_t thanks anyway wizzyrea
16:52 wizzyrea this is marc21, does your link look similar? with the proper tags/subfields of course:
16:53 jcamins fabio_t: I would suggest you start over with one of the UNIMARC frameworks that comes with Koha.
16:53 oleonard the default sql for UNIMARC says biblionumber should be linked to 001 subfield @
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16:53 wizzyrea actually do what they said
16:54 wizzyrea I bet you deleted the field where biblionumber is stored.
16:54 * jcamins_away is on his way out the door, but that's his suggestion.
16:54 wizzyrea in your framework
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16:58 fabio_t ok thanks guys
16:58 fabio_t I'm using Koha default UNIMARC framework
16:59 wizzyrea have you deleted fields in it?
16:59 wizzyrea s/in/from
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16:59 fabio_t no, I just run some koha-dump and koha-restore
17:00 fabio_t beside that, no modification were made
17:01 fabio_t * beyond that
17:01 jcamins_away fabio_t: I'm really leaving now, but this sounds like a serious bug. Report it on
17:04 fabio_t ok. I guessed it.
17:04 fabio_t I will report it.
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17:09 fabio_t here's my screen of Koha to MARC mapping
17:09 fabio_t[…]schermataeek.png/
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17:15 fabio_t I had some troubles with koha-restore, as I remember
17:17 fabio_t I wonder if that could mess up the database
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17:21 aarkerio hi!   is this a good way to cataloguing journal articles:
17:21 aarkerio[…]April/023415.html
17:27 oleonard aarkerio: Have you tried asking about this on the Koha mailing list?
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17:28 aarkerio well, since somebody already had resolved the issue, I just wanna know some opinion about such solution
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17:57 aarkerio in this string:    0#$7nnas$tCalifornia journal.$gVol. 24, pt. B no. 9 (Sept. 1993), p. 235-48$q24:B:9<235
17:57 aarkerio what "nnas" mean?
17:58 cait which field is that?
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17:58 aarkerio 773 - Host Item Entry
17:59 aarkerio I saw the example here:
17:59 aarkerio
17:59 cait @marc 773$7
17:59 huginn cait: unknown tag 773$7
17:59 cait @marc 773
17:59 huginn cait: Information concerning the host item for the constituent unit described in the record (vertical relationship). In the case of host items that are serial or multi-volume in nature, information in subfields $g and $q is necessary to point to the exact location of the component part within the bibliographic item. (Repeatable) [b,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,3,6,7,8]
18:00 cait @marc 773 7
18:00 huginn cait: Control subfield See the description of subfield $7 under field 760./0 - Type of main entry heading
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18:03 aarkerio in:    0#$tPacific rail news.$q279<GM5
18:03 aarkerio 0#  ==  Display note?
18:04 cait not sure
18:05 cait aarkerio: perhaps we can discuss this another time?
18:05 cait I know some things about analytics
18:05 cait but just got home
18:05 cait and really tired
18:06 aarkerio oh!!  thanks for your help!!
18:08 fabio_t I'm leaving
18:08 fabio_t bye
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18:26 rangi @wunder wellington nz
18:26 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
18:26 rangi gonna be a lovely day
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18:38 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:38 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.9�C (7:34 PM CET on November 10, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Steady).
18:40 rangi I win
18:41 jwagner @wunder Bethesda, MD
18:41 huginn jwagner: The current temperature in Somerset, Chevy Chase, Maryland is 8.1�C (1:35 PM EST on November 10, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling).
18:44 cait rangi:  you always win :(
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18:52 rangi hi edveal and ebegin
18:52 ebegin Hey rangi!
18:53 edveal hello
18:56 rangi ebegin: access might be in montreal next year
18:56 rangi i went to it this year, in vancouver
18:56 ebegin Nice. How was vancouver ?
18:56 rangi very nice, and the conference is a very very good one
18:57 ebegin did you present something ?
18:57 rangi so i will try to make it next year
18:57 rangi yep
18:57 rangi at 2.30
18:59 cait he was great :)
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19:01 slef please include a summary when you edit the wiki - it makes the notification emails much more informative.
19:01 ebegin cait, you went to access too I guess :)
19:01 cait nope, but watched the live stream
19:01 cait hehe
19:05 ebegin rangi, what does Tatou Tatou means ?
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19:07 rangi hmm, hard to translate
19:07 rangi teamwork maybe?
19:08 bg heya rangu
19:08 bg rangi
19:08 rangi yo bg :)
19:08 rangi how was mumbai?
19:08 bg it was interesting...
19:08 bg :D
19:08 rangi :)
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19:17 rangi!/nothing[…]34571953724997632
19:18 magnus_afk teehee
19:20 cait heya magnus_afk :)
19:20 magnus_afk guten abend cait
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19:22 trea hey is there any way to back out of a failed marc stage? ie, if the file times out before the staging can complete
19:23 wizzyrea how many records are we talkin about?
19:23 trea quite a few. iirc the file timed out due to it's size.
19:23 wizzyrea oh
19:24 rangi hmm was it a timeout
19:24 rangi or apache saying, thats too big
19:24 rangi cos there is a max upload size
19:24 rangi which is a setting in apache
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19:24 trea ok. good question. i don't have that info unfortunately. will have to ask them to clarify
19:25 wizzyrea It didn't show up in "manage staged"
19:25 wizzyrea ?
19:25 rangi sometimes i wish i could respond to tickets with
19:25 rangi whatchu talkin bout willis
19:26 wizzyrea hehe
19:26 wizzyrea the log might say what happened
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19:32 libsysguy_afk or you can just see if they inserted into the database
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19:32 libsysguy well
19:32 libsysguy in the staging area
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19:36 trea yea, the file doesn't even appear in manage staged
19:37 trea so i don't think it got that far
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19:38 oleonard New version of LEK, but no download link? How strange...
19:39 oleonard One nice thing about the real Koha is you don't have to call someone to get it.
19:39 bg s/real//
19:40 bg heh s/the real//
19:40 oleonard True bg, though some won't acknowledge it.
19:40 bg :)
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19:44 oleonard How do we get a press release on Breeding's site?
19:44 rangi i think just send it to him ?
19:44 bg hmm..  NateC
19:45 rangi i think his rule is, he just publishes it verbatim
19:45 oleonard We should do it for every release
19:45 rangi oh yeah, good idea
19:46 NateC oleonard: Just go to the bottom of the front page on LTG and click on "notify him"
19:47 NateC then you can paste the release in the box that pops up and he will get it on the site for you
19:47 rangi we could do that for 3.4.6 ?
19:47 NateC I don't see why not
19:48 NateC It is a new release of Koha so yes
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19:48 oleonard any objections to me copy-and-pasting the 3.4.6 announcement and sending?
19:48 magnuse oleonard++
19:49 wizzyrea naw, go go :)
19:49 nengard we just need to make sure he links it to the right Koha :)
19:49 wizzyrea oh lord.
19:49 rangi none from me
19:49 NateC oleonard++
19:50 nengard wizzyrea he links all press to specific companies/products
19:50 nengard that's why i say that
19:50 rangi we could ask chris_n and paul_p to do it as part of each release
19:50 rangi yeah make it koha -- independent
19:50 rangi if thats an option
19:50 rangi or
19:50 oleonard There's no option in the message form
19:50 wizzyrea no i mean, oh lord, he *would* get it wrong.
19:50 rangi koha -- your model doesnt work for open source sort it out
19:51 wizzyrea hehe
19:51 cait we could do it for 3.6 perhaps too?
19:51 rangi yep
19:51 cait gna
19:51 cait scrolling broken again
19:52 chris_n +1 from me
19:52 oleonard Sent
19:52 magnuse yay
19:54 oleonard All those contributors' names are a huge win over any LEK press release
19:54 cait :)
19:55 cait so right
19:56 bg totally true oleonard
20:04 rangi its up
20:04 rangi who knew
20:05 oleonard And well-enough sourced as ""
20:05 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]
20:05 rangi yup
20:05 rangi apparently we did do 3.4.0
20:05 oleonard Shame none of the hyperlinks work
20:06 rangi we should do 3.6.0 too eh?
20:06 wizzyrea nod
20:06 rangi by we i mean someone not me
20:06 rangi cos im lazy
20:06 rangi ;)
20:06 slef @quote add <oleonard> One nice thing about the real Koha is you don't have to call someone to get it.
20:06 huginn slef: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
20:06 slef huginn: get bent
20:06 huginn slef: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
20:06 slef we should take it in turns to paste mbreeding release announcements, to demonstrate the brokenness of his model
20:06 wizzyrea @quote add <oleonard> One nice thing about the real Koha is you don't have to call someone to get it.
20:06 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #163 added.
20:08 slef Anyone got strong feelings about if I try using a crowdsourcing platform to collect kohacon12 sponsorships?
20:08 rangi i do
20:08 rangi i think its a great idea
20:09 magnuse slef++
20:09 slef Any recommendations?
20:09 slef kickstarter and indiegogo seem to be the two most talked-about, but I've not started reviewing any yet (we're finalising venues first)
20:10 rangi i know that bengard has used kickstarter successfully in the past
20:10 rangi thats right eh nengard ?
20:10 cait slef++
20:10 cait :)
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20:11 nengard yes
20:11 nengard bengard likes kickstarter and uses it for his games
20:11 nengard but it uses amazon payments so you have to give amazon you account info
20:12 slef oh poo
20:12 nengard not sure how you feel about that
20:12 slef it's also US residents only
20:12 nengard figured you'd say that
20:12 nengard oh
20:12 nengard well that won't work
20:12 slef nah, we fail before we get to that
20:12 slef :)
20:12 oleonard Submitting the 3.6 announcement if no one else has beat me to it
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20:12 wizzyrea gogo gadget oleonard
20:12 nengard slef do we have dates yet?
20:12 nengard need to get it on the calendar
20:13 rangi ive never heard of indiegogo
20:13 cait oleonard++
20:13 cait yeah dates! :) at the moment I blocked june totally
20:13 cait just to make sure :)
20:13 nengard heh
20:13 nengard i can't do that - i have to train libraries in june
20:13 slef nengard: nearly, sorry! I'm pretty sure it'll be somewhere in the window 1-12 June.
20:13 nengard got to put them around kohacon
20:14 nengard k
20:14 nengard that's better than then entire month :)
20:14 magnuse!/mbreedi[…]34723763253149696
20:14 slef Yeah, I just narrowed it because I feel bad about cait blocking the whole month.
20:14 slef We 99% won't clash with ALA
20:14 nengard woo hoo!
20:14 slef which I think is 22-end June?
20:14 nengard oleonard++
20:14 rangi woot
20:15 slef HASHBANGS MUST DIE! :)
20:15 oleonard It's like an automatic tweet machine
20:15 nengard hashbangs?
20:15 slef #!
20:15 nengard oh! in the URL
20:15 nengard okay
20:15 nengard didn't know what we were talking about
20:15 chris_n so much for formatting
20:15 slef it's URL breakage by javascript
20:16 slef indiegogo looks possible
20:17 cait hm
20:17 slef I mean, we could just use the co-op's current card and bank transfer processing, which would be cheaper, but lacks transparency.
20:17 cait perhaps we should do a feature write up sometime
20:17 cait like the nice release notes nicole did
20:17 cait nengard++ :)
20:17 cait going to do something like that for our libraries too
20:17 slef I also quite like the idea of pulling in new contributors
20:20 cait nengard: around?
20:20 cait I have a suggestion omnibus bug
20:20 cait you might want to look at
20:20 cait suggestion mailing is very broken :(
20:20 nengard bleh
20:20 slef Oh, the other questions are: would people like to group-book accommodation in exchange for a discount? And would anyone be interested in a road trip maybe London-Birmingham-Manchester-The Lake District-Edinburgh if I could pull it together?
20:20 nengard i did see a bunch of the suggestion email bugs
20:20 nengard but didn't see the one i reported
20:20 nengard what's the number on that?
20:21 nengard slef we have friends down near manchester :)
20:21 nengard would love to go there - plan on doing it anyway
20:22 magnuse slef: discount++ but on the other hand i was very happy with staying at a b&b in wellington - that might be less feasible in edinburg, maybe, though? roadtrip++
20:22 cait bug 4211
20:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4211 major, P1 - high, ---, chris, NEW , Acquisitions actions on suggestions don't generate email
20:22 slef Where would people fly into, do you know?
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20:22 oleonard slef: Yes and yes
20:22 cait bug 7212
20:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7212 major, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, title not populating in suggestion accepted email (ACCEPTED)
20:22 oleonard slef: Where would you recommend?
20:22 cait hm
20:22 cait resolved??
20:22 cait ah
20:23 cait duplicate
20:23 cait ...
20:23 cait now I confused myself
20:23 nengard heh
20:23 cait bug 7093
20:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7093 critical, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Placeholders for suggestion table in suggestion related mails broken
20:23 nengard bingo
20:23 slef oleonard: In distance, EDI > Glasgow > Manchester > BHX > LUT > LHR > STN > LGW
20:23 cait roadtrip++
20:24 slef oleonard: I'd fly into wherever is direct and then travel by land, personally.
20:24 * magnuse could fly to london, but there also cheap flights from oslo to edinburgh
20:24 nengard trains are easy peasy
20:24 nengard US to UK in June is never cheap
20:24 nengard but I'll look for the best deal
20:24 * magnuse did 2 weeks of interrail in scotland in '92
20:25 cait think it should be ok from here
20:25 cait my flight to london was cheap... only delayed!
20:25 * nengard did rail all over the UK for a year in college
20:25 cait did a road trip some years ago with friends?
20:25 nengard actually i think bengard's parents drove us to ediburgh when they visited
20:25 cait slef: not sore about group booking
20:25 cait sure
20:25 cait ...
20:26 cait can't type
20:26 slef just remember, if you book train tickets, I think you need to pick "print at the station" or whatever it is, because most of them won't post overseas. I prefer and - the second has a "Rainy Day Guarantee" where they will refund you if you can't make it, as long as you haven't printed the tickets.
20:27 * magnuse is so looking forward to kohacon12
20:28 slef oh and we have three types of ticket: Anytime which is the basic but most expensive, Off-Peak which can be used any time except commuter trains and Advance which must be prebooked to particular trains but is lots cheaper.
20:28 slef and some birmingham-edinburgh trains are like £3.50 on
20:28 slef I'll wiki this eventually :)
20:28 magnuse slef++
20:29 rangi catalyst-eu is in brighton
20:29 rangi so ill be doing a side trip there at some point
20:29 cait slef++ :)
20:29 rangi but ill probably fly into heathrow
20:29 cait but perhaps repeat some of that... when the dates are set
20:30 rangi wlg->akl->singapore->heathrow
20:30 rangi if i can
20:30 cait be careful...
20:30 cait they like loosing suitcases
20:30 rangi hehe
20:31 nengard yikes
20:31 * magnuse did akl->singapore->heathrow a year ago, i think - no problems
20:31 rangi :)
20:31 rangi its a nice way to do it
20:31 rangi singapore has a great airport
20:31 rangi i figure there must be trains from heathrow to edinburgh
20:32 magnuse only problem was the last two hours into london were terribly long :-)
20:32 * oleonard is getting a little too bouncy thinking about this stuff, better tune out
20:32 rangi hehe
20:33 slef rangi: says it's about 2h
20:33 nengard ewr to manchester looks cheapest for me
20:33 slef rangi: and: "trains from heathrow to edinburgh" heh. No. Not yet. 2020 maybe.
20:33 rangi yay
20:34 slef rangi: train or tube from heathrow to London, then train to edinburgh.
20:34 rangi seems
20:34 rangi yeah
20:34 rangi to euston
20:34 slef only place that has trains from Heathrow is London Paddington (the station for the West)
20:34 rangi then to carstairs
20:35 slef Trains to Edinburgh go from King's Cross
20:35 slef (the station for the North-East)
20:35 rangi yep
20:35 rangi you can do it that way too
20:35 rangi[…]burgh/20:45/today
20:35 rangi handy site
20:35 slef rangi: oh, the sleeper runs from Euston
20:35 rangi ohhh
20:35 rangi that would work
20:36 slef 05:46 – 11:25   is the first "normal" routed train
20:36 slef traintimes is a handy fan site
20:37 rangi yeah
20:37 slef it's what the train companies *should* have made
20:37 rangi *nod*
20:37 slef
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20:37 * magnuse can't wait to meet y'all again!
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20:38 slef
20:39 * cait bounces
20:39 cait can we make it tomorrow?
20:39 cait not june?
20:39 cait although june is still a lot better than next november!
20:40 rhcl hey slef, I hear you have salmon fishing in Scotland
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20:40 slef rhcl: I'm English ;-) but I hear they do too
20:41 slef ok anyone wanting a sneak preview of the venue, please /join #kohacon
20:41 rhcl OK, Great Britain then?
20:42 slef rhcl: I saw your earlier comments. I don't know anything about it, but I think mle may look into it once we've got the venue straightened.
20:42 rhcl 'k. TNX
20:42 * chris_n notes a potential sponsor for koha-mobile
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20:51 slef anyone know how many people have been at each hackfest?
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20:54 slef mle: hello there!
20:54 mle : )
20:54 slef until my nick-complete kicked in...
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20:55 cait slef: I think you could count form the photos for nz
20:56 cait from nz...
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20:56 cait hard to tell probably how many will be interested
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21:06 jcamins_away Ooh, do we know the dates for KohaCon 2012?
21:06 wizzyrea jcamins_away: shh
21:06 wizzyrea sometime in june.
21:06 jcamins_away wizzyrea: people are booking train tickets without knowing dates?
21:07 wizzyrea no, people are exploring possibilities without knowing dates. ;)
21:08 cait people get very excited
21:08 cait :)
21:08 jcamins_away Ah.
21:09 cait I am one of those
21:09 cait all excited, can't wait :)
21:09 cait jcamins_away: planning to go?
21:09 jcamins_away cait: if I can.
21:10 cait oh, I hope you can!
21:10 jcamins_away Me too!
21:10 cait :)
21:10 cait and bring cookies?
21:10 cait hehe
21:11 * oleonard wonders if he can hire Supernanny to take care of the kids
21:13 jcamins_away cait: could be. :)
21:13 * wizzyrea wonders if she could hitch on to that train
21:14 wizzyrea i bet it would blow spud's mind to know there's a smaller kid with the same name as his dad ^.^
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21:14 wizzyrea well, a kid more his size, if not slightly older :P
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21:24 ebegin Is there any direct download link for .po files ?
21:24 ebegin On pootle, there is a Download link but it points to http://translate.koha-communit[…]6000.po/download/
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21:24 ebegin Clicking on it shows the file (location: http://translate.koha-communit[…]rog-v-3006000.po)
21:26 cait I use thoselinks for download
21:26 cait with wget... most of the time
21:26 cait the link is a bit confusing
21:26 cait if oyu do from the browser saving the page will work
21:27 cait and i think you can download a zip file
21:27 eythian hi
21:27 ebegin Yeah, but I would like to wget the file too, but I have to click the Download link to get the URL. Why the Download link doesn't point to the file directly ?
21:27 cait hi eythian :)
21:28 ebegin hi eythian
21:28 cait ebegin:  no idea
21:28 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5604] additional icons for the Seshat set <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5604>
21:28 cait ebegin: I wrote a little bash script to remember the urls for me and download the files
21:28 cait because I found it so annoying :)
21:28 eythian install the 'cliget' addon to firefox
21:28 eythian it gives you a wget command for downloads
21:28 maximep pretty sure wget will follow the redirect
21:30 ebegin maximep, wget the download link works, but it saves it as index.html... :(
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21:34 cait ebegin: but you can wget the link you posted earlier
21:34 cait to the po file
21:34 cait that work
21:34 cait s
21:34 cait and the links don't change often - only every major release
21:35 ebegin cait, yes, that's what i'm doing. I just wanted to save some clicks
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21:48 Schuster Friendly afternoon pesk back...  Any problems in jumping from 3.2 Koha-community to 3.6 or do I need to do the 3.4 in between?
21:49 bg shouldn't be too bad - but you will need to run the remove_items_from_biblios script
21:49 bg and reindex
21:49 bg if IRC the script needed
21:49 Schuster Yep I can see that in the notes etc.. Just wondering thanks.
21:50 wizzyrea I think you mean version 3.2 to 3.6. There is no such thing as koha-community
21:50 wizzyrea there is only koha
21:50 Schuster I actually have done this on a test server that I have and trying to figure out if there is something that I missed.  sorry yes Koha.
21:50 wizzyrea we don't recognize LLILS as even the same thing ;)
21:58 Schuster Thanks again for another day!
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22:08 aarkerio hi! Can I import MARCXML records in "Staged MARC Records"?
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22:18 wizzyrea are there preferences beside "opac mysummary html" and opacnav that allow you to put html in the user account area?
22:19 wizzyrea I suppose I could do this with jquery.
22:19 * wizzyrea will probably go that route
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22:47 rangi yeah jquery might be easiest
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23:21 bg heya BobB
23:21 bg man I'm getting this error in one of my frameworks - The biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber fields be mapped to a MARC subfield,
23:21 bg both of those should only be mapped to the 999c and the 999d correct?
23:22 BobB That's right, bg
23:22 rangi yeah
23:23 rangi heya BobB, enjoy the conference?
23:23 BobB Hi Chris, I enjoyed it hugely.
23:23 BobB I'm having withdrawals.
23:23 rangi excellent
23:23 rangi well june isnt far away :)
23:23 BobB Were your conferences good too?
23:24 rangi yeah access and kiwicon were fun, lianza was productive
23:24 bg well shoot - it's still saying that and I've got those two mapped in my framework
23:24 BobB I need to get firm dates for Edinburgh.  Will have to press slef for that, I guess.
23:26 bg Oh really weird…  looking in the mysql database I see two entries for 999 c and 999 d
23:26 rangi its 1-12 june
23:26 rangi so firmer
23:26 rangi :)
23:26 rangi but not quite firm yet
23:26 BobB Its that right?  1-12 June is confirmed?
23:27 bg the second entry has got NULL in the tab, authorised_value etc...
23:27 BobB That's great news.  We can travel in late May and save a motza.
23:27 * ibeardslee ponders on a presentation
23:28 rangi bg: hmm that doesnt sound right
23:28 rangi 9:12 < slef> nengard: nearly, sorry! I'm pretty sure it'll be somewhere in the window 1-12 June.
23:28 bg yeah that's really weird
23:29 bg oh well I'll nuke those second entries from the database and let's see what happens
23:29 rangi BobB: ALA is 22nd june, making sure not to clash with that
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23:30 bg yup rangi now it passes tests
23:30 BobB bg - maybe just delete them?  Nuking sounds a bit severe.  :)
23:30 bg heh - ok how about removed that crap
23:31 BobB Cool!
23:31 rangi :)
23:31 talljoy is now known as talljoy-away
23:32 libsysguy @Off-topic ok so I need some protips...what can I do with this page: and those similar to make them look better other than resetting the padding for ul's
23:32 huginn libsysguy: I suck
23:32 libsysguy libsysguy
23:32 wahanui i think libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
23:33 rangi hmm
23:33 libsysguy I was also thinking maybe some alternate link colors
23:34 rangi im hopeless at those kinda things
23:34 bg libsysguy: can you send me your address again.. and do you want hot curry or just normal curry powder
23:34 bg email to
23:35 libsysguy bg - either is fine but i prefer hot :)
23:35 bg ok you got it - hot curry it is
23:36 bg it's really red looking so I'm sure it's hot
23:36 libsysguy excellent
23:36 bg went to a pretty crazy market to get it…
23:36 libsysguy oh?
23:36 libsysguy so i should be leery?
23:36 bg also went to another market close by - a fish market…  that one was gross - I acutally threw up in the middle of the street from the smell
23:36 bg had a bunch of indians staring at me
23:37 bg no libsysguy - you should be all good
23:37 bg it will be hot though - it looks like a lot of cayene pepper in it
23:37 libsysguy haha wow...note to self...stay away from fish markets
23:37 libsysguy *in india*
23:38 libsysguy thanks again bg for picking that up for me
23:39 bg sure thing
23:39 libsysguy and giving up your lunch :p
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