IRC log for #koha, 2011-05-13

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01:21 glernil good day!
01:21 glernil ;)
01:23 rangi hi glernil
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02:06 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5860] Adding duplicate stocknumber will fail silently <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5860>
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02:23 druthb o/
02:24 wizzyrea o/
02:24 rangi heya druthb
02:24 rangi and wizzyrea
02:24 wahanui wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet
02:24 rangi how was dinner druthb ?
02:24 druthb hi! :)
02:24 druthb yummy.  I fear that Brooke is conspiring with *someone* to get me out of the house more.
02:25 druthb If I find out who it is, I shall either kiss them, or hand them my over-full to-do list and say "here, then, you take care of this stuff," depending...
02:25 rangi hehe
02:26 * druthb has a list of suspects.
02:26 rangi its probably wizzyrea
02:26 druthb my favorite Kansan is, in fact on the list of suspects.
02:26 * wizzyrea looks innocent
02:27 wizzyrea actually I really can't take credit for that
02:27 wizzyrea ^.^ though I"m ecstatic that you're getting out
02:28 druthb I did put on the dress I wore to KUDOS--the short one, from Monday.  It's a swelterin' hot day here in Sodom-on-Potomac, so I decided it was time to show off some leg.
02:28 wizzyrea :D that was a cute dress
02:29 druthb I still wish there was photographic evidence from my presentation.
02:29 wizzyrea I was too busy tweeting to take pictures :(
02:29 druthb So I gathered, from the *swarm* when I got back to my seat.
02:30 druthb (and you should see the skirt I wore to fly home with on wednesday...  brown, tweedy, and marginally shorter than that dress.  I was feeling my oats on that trip, for sure.)
02:30 rangi[…]dont-stop-mustard  <-- still digging this
02:30 rangi druthb: no photos at all?
02:30 rangi i saw some of the drinks
02:31 druthb there were a few taking of the drinks, but that's all I know of.
02:31 rangi stink one
02:31 druthb I wanted to get a pic of me and my new do, but other than the drinks pic, that's it.
02:31 rangi bout 40 days
02:31 rangi and ill be there in person
02:31 druthb yah, but I won't be at ala.  :/
02:32 rangi awww man
02:32 druthb yah, loox like LarryB and I will be sitting out.
02:32 rangi (you ever seen dora the explorer?)
02:32 druthb never watched it.
02:32 * wizzyrea hads
02:32 wizzyrea has*
02:32 rangi that aww man was brought to you in the voice of swiper
02:32 wizzyrea hee
02:33 rangi[…]4&feature=related
02:33 druthb @seen Brooke
02:33 huginn druthb: Brooke was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 23 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <Brooke> 0/
02:33 druthb lol...that's cute, rangi.
02:34 rangi it was the first 10334141848485638256197508655735928659686 times
02:34 druthb I figured for sure that Brooke would have come by to see what I told wahanui about her.  I told her I'd been conspiring with the bot.
02:34 wizzyrea brooke?
02:34 wahanui hmmm... brooke is sweet, even though she tells us she's not.
02:34 rangi hehe
02:34 wizzyrea *giggle*
02:34 eythian wahanui: imhotep
02:34 wahanui i heard imhotep was invisible
02:35 druthb wahanui: bg?
02:35 wahanui druthb: i haven't a clue
02:35 druthb Harrrumph!
02:35 druthb bg is totally, completely, freakin' awesome!
02:36 druthb I also figured Brooke would come by to give me crapola for loggin in this late.
02:36 rangi hehe
02:36 eythian wahanui: bg is also <reply>[1]+ infobot &
02:36 wahanui okay, eythian.
02:37 wizzyrea bg?
02:37 wahanui somebody said bg was totally, completely, freakin' awesome! or <reply>[1]+ infobot &
02:37 rangi heh
02:37 eythian oh, wahanui doesn't work right :(
02:37 eythian wahanui: literal bg
02:37 wahanui eythian: bg =is= totally, completely, freakin' awesome! or <reply>[1]+ infobot &
02:37 eythian no wahanui, bg is totally, completely, freakin' awesome! |<reply>[1]+ infobot &
02:37 wahanui okay, eythian.
02:37 rangi eythian: i can give you a login and you can poke at him
02:38 eythian wahanui: bg
02:38 wahanui hmmm... bg is totally, completely, freakin' awesome!
02:38 eythian wahanui: bg
02:38 wahanui hmmm... bg is totally, completely, freakin' awesome!
02:38 eythian wahanui: bg
02:38 wahanui bg is, like, totally, completely, freakin' awesome!
02:38 eythian wahanui: bg
02:38 wahanui bg is, like, totally, completely, freakin' awesome!
02:38 eythian wahanui: bg
02:38 wahanui [1]+ infobot &
02:38 eythian that's what I wanted
02:38 rangi heh
02:38 rangi its just a pile of perl
02:38 rangi we could make some more plugins for it
02:38 * druthb would like to teach it to not allow someone to tell it to forget stuff about themselves.  one person, in particular...
02:38 eythian give me a login then, I have some ideas :)
02:39 * wizzyrea eyes eythian suspiciously
02:39 rangi :)
02:39 rangi ill install your user package
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02:39 eythian kk
02:39 druthb brooke:  "wahanui: forget brooke"  wahanui:  "But Brooke, you're unforgettable!"
02:39 * druthb is only half evil....
02:40 rangi eythian: do you have a copy of it lying round, if you email it to me prolly the easiest
02:41 eythian rangi:[…]heat_0.29_all.deb
02:41 rangi or that ;)
02:41 rangi ta
02:44 eythian wow. outside is being very outside.
02:44 eythian @wunder wellington, nz
02:44 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (2:00 PM NZST on May 13, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Falling).
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02:44 eythian "scattered clouds" my butt.
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02:44 eythian "torrential rain" more like
02:44 druthb @wunder 20852
02:44 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 18.2�C (10:47 PM EDT on May 12, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
02:45 rangi right eythian in you homedir should be a symlink to the dir
02:45 eythian oarsome
02:45 rangi if stopped it so you can have a play and start it etc
02:46 eythian I forgot quite how terrible the code can be
02:47 rangi hehe yeah its pretty old
02:47 eythian seriously, I'm OK with regexes, but: s!\s+(?:=~)?\s?/(?:\((?:\?:)?​([^)]*)\)|([^()]*))/i?\s*$!!; is going too far
02:48 rangi :)
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02:50 rangi heya pianohacker :)
02:50 pianohacker hey chris
02:50 pianohacker How's your day going?
02:51 druthb hi, pianohacker! :)
02:51 * pianohacker is searching for an open-source cad program that isn't confusing, Japanese or both
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02:52 pianohacker hey druthb
02:52 pianohacker hibye wahanui
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02:53 pianohacker Hmm, LibreCAD allows you to scale your drawings in parsecs
02:53 pianohacker ringworld, here I come
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02:53 eythian pianohacker: does it have the Kessel Run as an example?
02:53 pianohacker Hahahaha
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02:54 pianohacker If only. I think you can also use AUs and some bastard imperial thing called a "microinch"
02:55 eythian that sounds like a terrible idea. Is that 1/1024 inches or something?
02:56 druthb Almost as silly as the time measurement of "microfortnight."
02:56 eythian My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.
03:00 * wizzyrea giggles
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03:05 pianohacker I guess it is a bit late on the east coast
03:05 pianohacker time_zones--
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04:19 cait good morning #koha
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05:01 cait hm, noone awake?
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05:36 rangi evening
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06:14 francharb hello #koha
06:22 cait hi francharb
06:22 francharb morning cait
06:23 alex_a bonjour #koha
06:23 alex_a hi cait
06:23 cait hi alex_a
06:24 alex_a hi rangi
06:24 cait europe waking up :)
06:24 cait ok, will be back a little later
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06:24 indradg morning #koha
06:33 rangi hi alex_a and indradg
06:33 indradg hi rangi :)
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06:49 * Oak waves
06:51 rangi hi Oak
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06:52 Oak hiya rangi how are you today? still tired?
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06:53 rangi Oak: not too bad
06:53 rangi you?
06:53 Oak good, thanks :)
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06:59 indradg rangi, do public libraries in NZ ask the patrons to deposit anything like a "security deposit" before they can borrow items?
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07:03 rangi not that im aware of
07:04 rangi you have to provide proof of address
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07:12 kf good morning again #koha
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07:16 magnuse kia ora #koha
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07:18 magnuse bonjour clrh_
07:19 rangi hi kf and magnuse
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07:20 magnuse ata marie rangi
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07:20 magnuse bonjour clrh
07:21 clrh bonjour magnuse
07:26 kf morning magnuse :)
07:26 kf hi rangi, hi claire
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07:40 kf rangi++
07:40 kf this time for signing off :)
07:41 rangi 116 down from 140, maybe 100 by the end of the weekend
07:41 magnuse yay
07:42 kf hope to get some off the list on the weekend too
07:44 rangi cool
07:44 kf don't say cool until it's done
07:44 kf ;)
07:44 rangi :)
07:44 kf and I have a lit of things from my bug wrangling session that I want to test
07:45 kf perhaps some of them can be closed
07:45 rangi ahh that would be nice
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07:50 rangi lol fredericd just signed off 2 the same time as me ;)
07:51 * rangi will let the night shift take over :)
08:00 kf sleep well rangi
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08:05 kf fredericd: around?
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08:23 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4319] waiting items cannot be reserved <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4319>
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08:51 fredericd kf: Thanks again for your watchfullness...
08:51 rangi kf++
08:52 rangi fredericd++ #for working through patches
08:55 fredericd rangi: Clearly, with the Developer-A theory, Paul patch (which is great) would have entered directly into HEAD adding instability: 2 new defined fields with bad type and one (debarredcomment) not updated at all...
08:56 rangi yes, the checking proved to work well in
08:56 paul_p fredericd, yes. But they would have been fixed quickly. And master is not stable/published
08:56 rangi lets not have this argument again
08:56 paul_p (hello all)
08:56 fredericd hello paul_p
08:57 rangi there is a clear path forward, all patches biblibre think have been tested enough
08:57 rangi they should mark the bug signed off
08:57 magnuse kia ora paul_p
08:57 rangi and note on it it has been tested and by whom
08:57 rangi and all get on with our lives
08:57 magnuse +1
08:58 slef hi all
08:58 magnuse i just read through the discussion on the list, and that seems to be the way forward
08:59 magnuse kia ora slef
08:59 slef I've not read list mail in about a day (having some local problems, which some of you know about). Do I still need to put the boot in? ;-)
08:59 rangi i dont think so, i think it came to a good compromise, of course i might be wrong
08:59 magnuse sounds to me like an agreement has been reached
09:02 slef ok, cool
09:08 rangi 115 .. still going down
09:08 magnuse yay
09:10 kf yay :)
09:10 kf fredericd++
09:10 slef patch temperature is still measured in F not C
09:10 kf lol
09:10 slef have you all seen the debian weather report?
09:11 rangi nope
09:11 kf nope :)
09:11 slef I'll find it
09:11 slef once firefox stops being a hog
09:11 slef well, iceweasel but anyway
09:11 slef it's firefox when it misbehaves
09:12 magnuse ?
09:12 slef that's it
09:12 slef just got there
09:13 kf cool :)
09:13 slef might be fun to put a koha weather report on the website, based on some stats from bugs, git, list and wiki
09:14 rangi thats like jenkins
09:14 slef but I'm not going to do that soon
09:14 rangi we could do jenkins plus other stuff
09:14 slef actually, yeah, jenkins probably gives much of the info
09:14 rangi
09:14 rangi i need to set up builds for 3.4.x
09:14 rangi i should do that now
09:14 rangi while i remember
09:15 slef but the patch statuses/numbers from bugs are probably a nice measure of storminess
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09:15 druthb o/
09:15 magnuse \o
09:16 slef I think Jenkins's build weather is pretty simplistic, isn't it?
09:16 druthb @ssen Brooke
09:16 huginn druthb: I've exhausted my database of quotes
09:16 druthb whaaaatt..?
09:16 slef also, can you link just the weather image?
09:16 slef @seen Brooke
09:16 huginn slef: Brooke was last seen in #koha 12 hours, 7 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Brooke> 0/
09:16 magnuse slef: it's related to passing tests, i think?
09:17 druthb helps if I could spell.  thanks, slef.
09:17 slef elarn ot ytpe?
09:17 * druthb is losing her marbles, but hasn't noticed yet.
09:17 rangi slef: i think so
09:17 slef magnuse: I forget.
09:18 rangi !jenkins status
09:18 jenkins_koha status of all projects:
09:18 jenkins_koha Koha_3.2.x: last build: 23 (8 j 10 h ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/23/
09:18 jenkins_koha Koha_3.4.x: no finished build yet
09:18 jenkins_koha Koha_master: last build: 246 (1 j 7 h ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/246/
09:18 slef argh jenkins uses the bloody useless confluence
09:19 rangi !jenkins build Koha_3.4.x
09:19 jenkins_koha rangi: job Koha_3.4.x build scheduled with a quiet period of 5 seconds
09:22 slef I can find how to get jenkins_koha connected to traffic lights and all sorts of other hardware, but not a simple img tag.
09:23 jenkins_koha Starting build 1 for job Koha_3.4.x
09:23 slef confluence, where wiki docs go to die
09:25 slef this is very irritating. It should not be hard to find this.
09:29 slef rofl
09:29 slef the firefox plugin contains its own copies of the weather images
09:29 * slef facepalms
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10:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #1: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]job/Koha_3.4.x/1/
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10:03 rangi yay
10:04 magnuse woohoo
10:05 mib_wkjk7f hi there
10:05 wahanui hey, mib_wkjk7f
10:06 mib_wkjk7f i really need to register on the IRC because I've already come here several times :)
10:07 mib_wkjk7f i need some help... it's possible to block renewals in the Staff Client to books that are overdue?
10:09 mib_wkjk7f i know that is possible in the OPAC with OPACFineNoRenewals, but i can't block in the Staff Client
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10:11 mib_3jr58x my firefox crashed :/
10:12 mib_3jr58x anyone can help me with the renewal problema?
10:12 rangi cant you just tell the librarians not to do it?
10:13 kf mib_3jr58x: I fear you can't do that
10:13 kf rangi: it might be a problem if you use self checkouts - so a switch might be something people want
10:14 mib_3jr58x that's a problem because some librarian can "help" some patrons...
10:14 kf but I agree, without self checkouts tell the librarians :)
10:14 kf or use jquery tricks
10:14 kf perhaps you could construct somthing with jquery, so that an item marked overdue offers no option for renewal
10:14 mib_3jr58x i'll try it...
10:15 mib_3jr58x thanks guys :)
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11:50 conan hello everybody
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12:06 oleonard fredericd around?
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12:21 fredericd oleonard: yes
12:21 oleonard Thanks for testing bug 6291
12:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6291 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Cart printing truncated in Firefox
12:21 oleonard Did you test in the OPAC or staff client?
12:22 fredericd OPAC
12:22 oleonard Hmm.... I was hoping you would say staff client, because my patch didn't include a fix for that :|
12:23 fredericd What version of FF do you use?
12:24 oleonard I've tested it on 3.6.17 on Windows
12:24 fredericd I've tested with FF 3.5 Linux
12:24 oleonard I wonder if the older version of the stylesheet might have gotten cached?
12:25 * oleonard is testing now in Ubuntu
12:25 fredericd Not cached by the web browser, i've cleared it, but there may be some Apache caching...
12:26 oleonard Hm, Ubuntu upgraded Firefox to 4 for me, so no luck there
12:29 fredericd and no Apache caching. When accessing directly print.css, I can see your modifications
12:29 fredericd and the bug is still here with FF 3.5.16 Linux
12:30 oleonard Okay, so no easy fix for me. Thanks for checking.
12:32 fredericd Standard Linux box (Ubuntu) are all upgrading automatically FF to 4.0. So this bug will vanished... Your patch must solve it for FF Windows, but I can't confirm it
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12:49 kf marcelr++
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12:57 hdl fredericd: there are some problems with FF4 that has to be assigned as far as i know
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13:06 sekjal thanks everyone for getting things signed off and ready for QA... I've got myself quite the backlog to work through
13:06 sekjal I'm at a conference today, but I'll get started on pushing these through as soon as I can
13:09 oleonard A fun conference sekjal ?
13:10 sekjal ACRL New England's Annual conference, in beautiful Worcester, MA
13:10 sekjal I'm presenting with one of our partner libraries
13:14 sekjal can anyone here speak to exactly what the problem is in bug 5995?  How do I test to confirm that it's fixed?
13:14 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5995 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , Glitch with checkauth
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13:17 oleonard Sounds like the same problem rangi had sekjal
13:18 sekjal my understanding is that ANY user could login to the staff client with their cardnumber, and a) get in and b) get superlibrarian privileges
13:19 sekjal but I'd like to confirm that's the problem before I test against it
13:19 sekjal (oh, right, and I need a CAS server)
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13:37 hdl sekjal: I think it was the same problem.
13:38 sekjal hdl:  so currently anyone can log into a Koha staff client as a superlibrarian if a) it authenticates against CAS and b) they use their cardnumber?
13:42 wizzyrea oof
13:42 * wizzyrea just sees a frustrated koha user on facebook
13:43 oleonard Koha enthusiasts away!
13:43 * oleonard jumps in the Kohamobile
13:47 sekjal I was thinking of buying a bus from the UMass vehicle surplus auction, and painting it with the Koha logo
13:47 sekjal then touring the country
13:48 wizzyrea :D
13:48 * wizzyrea would get on that bus
13:49 sekjal I'd have to rip out the seats and put in couches and an (open) bar
13:49 sekjal lots of big screen TVs with the code streams
13:49 sekjal 3G/4G internet....
13:49 wizzyrea *nod* because the very first time a new linux user tries to install Koha, they often need booze.
13:49 * druthb would caravan with you, sekjal, and provide the home-cooked chow.
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13:50 oleonard Couches? I thought it was going to be all workstations
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13:50 sekjal oh, man, now I'm getting all excited
13:50 wizzyrea haha
13:50 oleonard Manacles attached to the chair legs...
13:50 wizzyrea
13:50 wizzyrea i'm suspecting that owen is bringing the whips
13:51 hdl sekjal: how to say... yes.
13:51 wizzyrea hi hdl :)
13:55 magnuse have fun, #koha!
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13:58 hdl hi wizzyrea.
13:58 wizzyrea how is today treating you?
13:58 hdl This is quite an unseen "feture...
13:58 hdl This is quite an unseen "feature"...
13:58 hdl and even unwanted.
13:59 hdl This is the problem with all the code dealing with authentication.
13:59 hdl It is so overcomplicated because it tries to do many things at once.
14:00 hdl a) authentication and b) identication
14:00 wizzyrea ^ is a problem in many applications that require a login
14:01 hdl Using Plack::Middleware::Authen::Basic would allow us more flexibility and we would contribute to a wider project.
14:01 sekjal hdl:  so, is my description of the problem for bug 5995 correct?
14:01 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5995 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , Glitch with checkauth
14:01 hdl Then the identication would be coped in some Modules.
14:05 hdl sekjal: i think that it was for all the users in database, not only with CAS users.
14:06 hdl wizzyrea: may is quite nice... Weather is good.
14:06 hdl wizzyrea: what about you ?
14:07 wizzyrea today is shaping up to be lovely so far: fig scones for breakfast, positive news, it's not 33C today (only 13C, actually, quite a change from Monday/Tuesday)
14:08 oleonard @wunder 45701
14:08 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 21.7�C (10:10 AM EDT on May 13, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003.3 hPa (Steady).
14:08 sekjal hdl:  wait, so this is a universal problem, not a CAS-only problem?
14:10 hdl sekjal: ermmmm ->[]
14:10 hdl yes.
14:10 hdl ->[] ->[]
14:12 hdl sekjal: that would require a test case.
14:12 hdl I agree.
14:13 sekjal okay, I just logged into my test server with a completely non-privileged user (patron), and was able to edit system preferences
14:13 sekjal !!!!!
14:13 wizzyrea :O
14:14 oleonard Really sekjal? I tested that myself and couldn't do that
14:14 * oleonard will try again
14:14 sekjal with username/password => fail
14:14 sekjal with cardnumber/password => WAY too much access
14:15 wizzyrea ooof
14:15 * wizzyrea tries too
14:16 * oleonard confirms
14:16 oleonard But if your username is your cardnumber you can't log in (which is why I couldn't reproduce it)
14:17 wizzyrea :O
14:17 * wizzyrea confirms as well
14:17 oleonard We seem to be having some egg on our faces regarding authentication lately.
14:18 sekjal patch for 5995 fixes it
14:18 oleonard ...after that default password thing a couple weeks ago.
14:19 hdl sekjal: thanks.
14:19 oleonard So it's *not* the case only if the library has a CAS server
14:20 hdl No.
14:21 wizzyrea hm
14:21 wizzyrea i applied the patch
14:22 wizzyrea it still lets me in
14:22 wizzyrea with greatly reduced privileges
14:22 wizzyrea let me double check his perms
14:22 wizzyrea but this is what it looks like
14:22 wizzyrea
14:23 wizzyrea ok yea, that's right
14:23 * wizzyrea fixes the perms on that user and tries again
14:23 hdl mmm you have perms
14:23 wizzyrea *nod*
14:24 wizzyrea trying again
14:24 wizzyrea win!
14:25 oleonard One of our YUI dependencies has gone missing.[…]datasource-min.js
14:26 oleonard No idea what we use that for.
14:27 oleonard Docs say it's used for AutoComplete, but autocomplete is still working for me.
14:28 * oleonard wonders if datasource-min.js disappeared because of this?
14:29 oleonard ...but that says "YUI 2 Flash component infrastructure"
14:29 oleonard Flash--
14:29 wizzyrea does anybody have a good test db they'd be willing to send me?
14:31 hdl wizzyrea: on our git : data.git could be a good test db...
14:31 wizzyrea ooh!
14:31 wizzyrea hdl++
14:32 hdl But it is not with many many data
14:32 wizzyrea nah, what I have now has many many data
14:32 wizzyrea and I want to downsize :)
14:33 sekjal updating the bug report with detailed problem description and testing results
14:33 hdl might be unimarc. can't remember.
14:33 wizzyrea ooo, hdl! we ought to give your public data repo the attention it deserves.
14:34 hdl patches welcome on dev_patches at biblibre dot com
14:34 slef oops I forgot that upgrading that server would boot me out :)
14:34 slef hi again everyone!
14:35 wizzyrea very cool. I'm sort of remembering we had a wiki page for public data repos
14:35 wizzyrea or we talked about it?
14:35 wizzyrea anyway, if we don't, I'll create one
14:35 slef I think we do and I know where my link is :)
14:35 wizzyrea you must share!
14:35 slef[…]_Git_Repositories
14:35 hdl wizzyrea: there is one
14:36 wizzyrea hm, I was thinking of one specifically for test data
14:36 slef they should be linked from that page
14:36 hdl you could add on that page.
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14:36 slef you pudate one, I'll do that?
14:36 slef[…]_sample_MARC_data
14:37 slef maybe that's the other one?
14:37 wizzyrea I was thinking of a library of places you could get test data with patrons + bibs
14:37 wizzyrea what would be REALLY cool
14:37 slef these all need "See Also"s
14:38 wizzyrea would be test datasets with certain library configs
14:38 wizzyrea or preference sets that could be imported
14:38 wizzyrea independent branches
14:38 wizzyrea or no
14:38 slef there's some sample data in the release (or used to be)
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14:38 wizzyrea are there bibs in there?
14:39 wizzyrea my brain ran away from me for a minute, thinking about preference sets
14:39 slef argh I always click the bloody gitstats link
14:39 * oleonard too
14:39 * wizzyrea too!
14:39 wizzyrea I thought it was just me. :P
14:40 hdl slef: metoo
14:40 slef roflmao
14:40 * wizzyrea does not click it *this time*
14:40 slef hrm, there's sample_patrons
14:40 slef[…]92ecf37be;hb=HEAD
14:41 slef not bibs
14:41 wizzyrea *nod* i've used the test patrons
14:41 slef I'm only using gitweb because I've a browser opened and not our koha servers just now
14:42 wizzyrea use the tools you've got, I always say
14:42 wizzyrea ;)
14:42 oleonard sekjal++ # For diligent QA
14:42 wizzyrea sekjal++
14:43 sekjal hdl++ # for helping me understand the terrifying nature of the problem
14:43 wizzyrea hdl++
14:43 hdl sekjal: i often lurk here.
14:44 slef anyway I've linked from the git repo page to the free sample MARC data page - maybe someone could add hdl's link (which I can't see right now... limited scrollback) from one or the other
14:44 hdl and am quite open to discussion
14:44 slef s/from one/to one
14:44 slef reason I came in: I've finally got write access to the SIP 3.0 development discussions!
14:44 slef so any comments about SIP 3.0, let me have them and I'll feed them back
14:45 hdl git://
14:45 slef I'll also try to ask you about what happens there.  Didn't seem much point until now, because it was difficult for me to feed back
14:47 hdl slef: for openncip ?
14:47 hdl Or which ?
14:47 wahanui i heard which was why we needed the audio prompts or fortunate
14:48 oleonard wahanui: That doesn't even make sense.
14:48 wahanui oleonard: what?
14:48 oleonard wahanui: You're stuck with it!
14:48 wahanui oleonard: what?
14:48 rhcl_away we're stuck with wahanui?
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14:49 slef hdl: for SIP 3.0 protocol
14:49 slef SIP 3.0 is to openncip what html5 is to mozilla
14:49 hdl in a NISO stuff ?
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14:49 slef no, a 3M stuff
14:49 hdl nice.
14:49 slef NCIP is NISO, SIP is 3M
14:50 slef yeah, not as good as having it somewhere like OKFN but we are where we are
14:52 slef hdl: can you put patches_dev or some link in;a=summary or shall I put it in[…]_Git_Repositories ?
14:52 slef dev_patches at biblibre dot com even
14:53 hdl In SIP2 problem with the dates and the authentications... and the way the information is stored. and the way that information is displayed whose responsability it is. Have some ERRIDs
14:53 hdl slef: I will
14:54 slef hdl: tah
14:54 slef hdl: dates are being YYYYMMDD consistentised in 3.0 I think
14:54 slef hdl: and they
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14:55 slef hdl: and they're trying to make error codes consistent, but I can see the one for miscellaneous error being used a lot :-/
14:56 hdl slef: :(
14:56 kf ERRIDs sounds good
14:56 hdl and what about character sets ?
14:56 kf I think it's a problem what message will be shown on the self checkout
14:56 kf our vendor did something to make the messages from koha show nice and make sense
14:57 kf but a standardized set of messages would perhaps be cool?
14:57 kf and i may be totally wrong here :)
14:57 slef charset is UTF-8 most of the time
14:58 slef kf: standardised messages are in the spec, yes
14:58 slef trouble is, things have a bad habit of failing in new and unpredicted ways
14:59 kf was thinking about things like "too many checkouts" or "account blocked"
15:00 slef kf: I'll be working on it again on Monday. I'll look for them then.
15:00 rhcl When my tech and I were looking at adding SIP to Libki recently we ran across this code and felt it helped us understand self-checkout greatly.
15:00 rhcl[…]ter/sipapi.module
15:00 slef account blocked is when they scan their card, right?
15:01 slef and too many checkouts on checkout and renew
15:02 slef anyway, mail me any things and I'll check and pass them on if needed, now that I can
15:02 kf when the borrower is banned/debarred whatever
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15:03 slef yeah, but Koha should send that when the borrower tries to scan their card into the SIP terminal?
15:03 kf I have a collection of tests I normally do with the vendor, but all in German
15:03 kf ah yes
15:03 slef keine Probleme
15:03 kf the authenticate with or without pin and then it should say that
15:03 slef if you can share them somehow
15:04 slef or if you have a few which are more frequently failed, that would be more informative
15:04 slef brb
15:05 kf most of the failing things are koha problems
15:05 kf we had problems with not useful error messages but koha, returned books with holds placed on them and I think something died when you scanned in an unknown barcode
15:06 kf slef: email?
15:06 wahanui email is probably sent to the Koha administrator
15:06 kf wahanui: forget email
15:06 wahanui kf: I forgot email
15:10 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6337] Variable scope errors in staff client cart print view <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6337>
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15:17 huginn` rhcl: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 17 hours, 11 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> ibeardslee: why not?  I hear cats like to have meaty treats after they swallow a pill ;)
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15:20 gmcharlt rhcl: poing
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15:28 oleonard gmcharlt: He didn't want to talk, he just wanted to know.
15:30 gmcharlt heh
15:30 gmcharlt we pm'ed
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15:37 mib_mvdr0t hi there koha community
15:38 sekjal howedy, mib_mvdr0t
15:38 mib_mvdr0t i've one big problem... during marc import koha changed the ISBN of my records
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15:39 mib_mvdr0t 0-262-53063-5 => 0262530635 (Koha)
15:39 mib_mvdr0t it's this normal?
15:39 oleonard Yes
15:39 oleonard The hyphens are just for display
15:40 mib_mvdr0t but when displaying the hyphens doesn't appear
15:41 mib_mvdr0t and that's a problem for the library i'm working with
15:41 wizzyrea can I ask what their reasoning is for it being a problem?
15:41 * oleonard notes that doesn't display ISBNs with hyphens
15:42 mib_mvdr0t I know... google books too.
15:42 wizzyrea (I suspect it's a case of "they've always looked that way and we're afraid of change")
15:42 oleonard And WorldCat
15:42 mib_mvdr0t but they insist in present the hyphens
15:43 oleonard I hope this is because everything else about Koha is so perfect they're looking for things to gripe about ;)
15:43 wizzyrea people get so mad at me when I do this, but you get much better solutions: ask them *why* it's really important
15:43 oleonard But seriously mib_mvdr0t, the isbns display that way because no one has ever asked that they display any other way
15:44 wizzyrea and you can steal a line from druthb's book: if it's about fearing change, ask them if they stop getting older. Because we all change every day and think nothing of it.
15:45 wizzyrea and what oleonard said: no one has ever wanted it to display with the hyphens, so it doesn't.
15:46 mib_mvdr0t i know that the isbn normally appears whitout hyphens...
15:47 mib_mvdr0t i think that they are really afraid of change
15:47 mib_mvdr0t :)
15:47 mib_mvdr0t the isbn has a norm to present the hyphens
15:48 mib_mvdr0t ?
15:48 wizzyrea what ILS are they coming from?
15:48 wizzyrea (I'm assuming it's a migration)
15:48 mib_mvdr0t yes it's a migration
15:49 mib_mvdr0t bibliobase...
15:49 slef back
15:49 wizzyrea hi slef :)
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15:51 mib_mvdr0t i will talk to them...
15:51 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6332] missing 'clear date' link <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6332> / [Bug 6338] Datepickers on OPAC hold form does not work <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6338>
15:51 wizzyrea ah, portuguese?
15:51 mib_mvdr0t yes portuguese :)
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15:51 wizzyrea mib_mvdr0t: I'm trying to think what the unknown is that they are afraid of, but it may just be that they are expecting to see them a certain way
15:52 wizzyrea and it's just *weird* to them
15:52 wizzyrea but weird is normal after a while :)
15:52 wizzyrea what you could do
15:52 Ropuch Eevening #koha
15:52 wizzyrea would be to tell them that what they want could be done, but it would require de
15:52 wizzyrea dev
15:52 wizzyrea and likely
15:52 wizzyrea by the time the dev is done, they won't care about it anymore
15:53 wizzyrea or if you delay the spec long enough, the wierdness that caused the desire will be normal
15:54 wizzyrea and to pay for something that's now normal will seem silly
15:54 wizzyrea (I have had this exact experience, where something that was weird to our librarians and they initially wanted fixed, after using the system for a while it didn't bother them anymore and we dropped the need for dev to "fix" it)
15:56 wizzyrea (I also have the experience of something that was "completely necessary" being added that ended up being detrimental)
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15:58 slef bbl
15:59 mib_mvdr0t they already paid :P
15:59 mib_mvdr0t for the product
15:59 wizzyrea you mean for your help configuring the product, nobody pays for koha ;)
16:00 mib_mvdr0t for configuring, for design, for integration with their modules
16:00 mib_mvdr0t and so on....
16:01 wizzyrea pretty!
16:01 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6300] can't get to other pages of marc import <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6300>
16:01 oleonard Yes, very nice
16:01 mib_mvdr0t the backoffice has design work too
16:01 mib_mvdr0t but you can't saw it :P
16:02 wizzyrea oh it's academia
16:02 oleonard mib_mvdr0t: CSS-based design work or template changes?
16:02 wizzyrea this explains even more the resistance to change
16:02 mib_mvdr0t css and some tmplates changes (2 or 3)
16:03 wizzyrea what version of koha? just curious
16:03 mib_mvdr0t 3.2.6
16:03 wizzyrea nice :0
16:03 wizzyrea :)
16:03 mib_mvdr0t i like very much of the backoffice design
16:04 wizzyrea screencap it?
16:04 oleonard mib_mvdr0t: I'd love to see your CSS changes in the staff client if they can be shared.
16:04 wizzyrea i have a wicked curiosity :)
16:04 wizzyrea never know mib_mvdr0t, you might inspire us ;)
16:05 mib_mvdr0t next time... i have to leave... but if you see someone with strange name it's me
16:06 mib_mvdr0t my name it's vitor fernandes... sometimes i'm here for some questions
16:06 wizzyrea you can always set your nickname with /nick <new nickname>
16:06 wizzyrea :)
16:06 wizzyrea then we'll know you
16:07 mib_mvdr0t next time i'll directly talk to you and share it you you
16:07 mib_mvdr0t well i have to go
16:07 nengard does huginn say when a patch has been signed off?
16:07 mib_mvdr0t thanks for the help
16:08 wizzyrea of course, anytime :)
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16:08 oleonard I don't think so nengard
16:08 nengard k
16:08 wizzyrea aha
16:08 nengard just curious
16:08 wizzyrea I have found our new web connection client
16:08 oleonard ?
16:08 * wizzyrea goes to exterminate mibbit from the website
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16:10 wizzyrea is better
16:10 owen Courierlicious.
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16:11 wizzyrea pm's are nicer too
16:11 wizzyrea than mibbit
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16:12 sekjal okay, gtg change rooms for the conference... afk for a while
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16:16 wizzyrea sekjal++ for meaningful QA
16:19 oleonard nengard: Bug 6166 is referring to records with an 856 tag right?
16:19 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6166 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , missing links on lists & search results
16:19 nengard right
16:20 oleonard I'm finding that the online access link does display on search results with xslt on
16:21 oleonard ...and I'm seeing the link in the lists view too
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16:27 conan @later tcohen I'm gonna need your local patch for suspensions, plz write me
16:27 huginn` conan: I suck
16:28 conan would that work?
16:28 nengard oleonard, hang on
16:28 oleonard conan: "@later tell <username>"
16:28 nengard they are there now, you are right
16:28 conan oleonard: thnx
16:29 conan @later tell tcohen I'm gonna need your local patch for suspensions, plz write me
16:29 huginn` conan: The operation succeeded.
16:30 wizzyrea alright, references to mibbit eliminated
16:30 wizzyrea caches will still need to update
16:32 oleonard +1 for 3.4.1 security release
16:32 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5995 : MT2892: Fix security issue in CAS intranet login <[…]9d4f3db929285fead>
16:32 wizzyrea +1 for 3.4.1 security release
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16:40 conan wizzyrea: I'm not reading mails, we got a 3.4.1 already?
16:40 wizzyrea if we don't, we will
16:40 wizzyrea big bug that needs fast fix
16:41 rangi 3.2.8 too
16:41 * rangi has totally messed up sleep patterns it appears 4am is the new 7am for me
16:41 wizzyrea bug 5995
16:41 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5995 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , Glitch with checkauth
16:43 jenkins_koha Starting build 247 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:43 wizzyrea i'm really glad that paul escalated that one, it's a BFD
16:44 wizzyrea looks like only 4 days to inclusion though, once it's severity was identified
16:47 rangi sorry my bad
16:47 wizzyrea ?
16:48 rangi when i made the bug for that, i couldnt figure out from the commit message that it was as bad as it was, and like owen when i tested i couldnt reproduce
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16:48 rangi i would have marked it blocker
16:48 rangi otherwise
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16:48 wizzyrea eh, it's in now
16:49 rangi paul_p++ # for escalating severity
16:49 wizzyrea mhm paul_p++
16:50 * wizzyrea pulls it, because she can
16:50 rangi escalated on the 10th, checked on the 11th, signed off on the 13th, passed qa on 14th, pushed on the 14th (nz time)
16:52 nengard rangi, you didn't push the avatars dev to master yet right? just asking cause I'm trying to find what i missed in the manual :)
16:53 rangi its still in signed off status nengard
16:53 nengard got it
16:53 rangi will push it after sekjal has looked
16:53 rangi here ya go
16:53 nengard i was remembering your facebook post and thought it was pushed, so i was confused
16:53 rangi http://koha-releasemanagement.[…]s/Work_for_3.6.x/
16:53 rangi (that was a link from bugzilla)
16:53 rangi the screenshot link
16:53 nengard rangi you have so many cool links :)
16:54 rangi that page will tell you exactly what i have pushed
16:54 rangi i keep it up to date, newest at the top
16:54 rangi each time i push
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16:55 rangi if i ever have to revert or remove one, ill strike it out
16:55 rangi that help?
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16:59 nengard yes, very helpful
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17:02 * druthb thinks a whole bunch of wizzies in the room would be *wonderful*!
17:02 wizzyrea :(
17:02 wizzyrea er
17:02 wizzyrea :)
17:03 oleonard is now known as oleonard-away
17:04 rangi 101 !!!
17:04 wizzyrea :D
17:06 Oak i read something funny
17:06 Oak kind of
17:06 Oak Frisbeetarian: A person who adheres to the belief that when you die your spirit floats up and gets stuck on the roof.
17:06 Oak :D
17:07 * druthb giggles.
17:07 * druthb high-fives Oak.
17:08 * Oak high-fives druthb :)
17:10 * druthb cranks the angry-sounding music up Nice.  And.  LOUD.
17:11 wizzyrea oleonard-away: re 6337, how was it formatted wrong before?
17:11 wizzyrea bug 6337
17:11 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6337 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Variable scope errors in staff client cart print view
17:12 wizzyrea hm, also on that screen the itemtype isn't showing
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17:14 wizzyrea hi cait :)
17:15 cait hi wizzyrea :)
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17:18 wizzyrea bbl
17:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #247: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/247/
17:25 jenkins_koha Matthias Meusburger: Bug 5995 : MT2892: Fix security issue in CAS intranet login
17:25 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5995 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , Glitch with checkauth
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18:08 oleonard wizzyrea: The checkbox column was not getting hidden in the print view, and it ended up taking up a disproportionate amount of space
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18:20 cait fredericd: around?
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18:34 rhcl2go this winder is about 300 x 250 pixels, how to make big?
18:36 rhcl I don't like irc2go--can't resize the tiny little window & html appears broken.
18:37 rhcl Bring back Mibbit!
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18:49 * druthb is wondering if there's some amazing news going on somewhere--Twitter has been over-cap for about the last twenty minutes.
18:51 SteveJ I wonder if it is important enough to allow me to leave work early:)
18:54 rhcl Did Twitter go down due to news of Osama Bin Laden's porn stash?  - - Jennifer Bergen - 35 minutes ago
18:55 rhcl[…]n-stash-20110513/
18:55 rhcl Yep, that's definitely a go-home-work-early reason.
18:58 SteveJ Lemme go run that by the VP...
19:02 rhcl Lemme know how it goes. If you get a return code of 1 I'll give it a shot.
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19:09 * druthb would return home from work on the news, but...erm...she's already at home.
19:13 * indradg is wondering if jquery can be used to add javascript to a page
19:14 indradg druthb, haven't been on twitter all day, but the longest running, democratically elected communist government in the world collapsed today... in my home state in India
19:14 indradg after 34 years
19:15 indradg so wont be surprised
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19:32 wizzyrea rhcl: no
19:32 wizzyrea you know where mibbit is if you want to use it
19:33 rhcl do you get that tiny little window? It's unusable.
19:33 wizzyrea it works fine for me
19:33 rhcl Well, it doesn't work on OpenSuse and FF
19:34 rhcl It's probably customized for windows and Mac
19:34 wizzyrea no, shouldn't be
19:34 wizzyrea it's java
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19:35 rhcl All I get is a little window about 350 X 300 pixels--all the chat functions work fine, but you can't resize it and all the text off the screen to the right is not viewable.
19:35 wizzyrea that's not right, but it works fine in every browser I've tested it on so far
19:36 wizzyrea except yours
19:36 rhcl oh, it's no big deal--I'm used to dealing with apps that don't work on Liinux, and I do have mibbit bookmarked.
19:36 wizzyrea update your FF?
19:37 rhcl Firefox 4.0.1
19:37 wizzyrea dunno then
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19:38 rhcl I'm firing up my Ubuntu netbook and will fn check on that.
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19:48 rhcl_mibbit irc2go won't even connect to the channel on Ubunut
19:48 rhcl_mibbit Ubuntu
19:48 rhcl_mibbit tried about 5x, loads the app but never connects
19:50 rhcl_mibbit Connecting...  Unable to connect : : Connection timed out  Not on a channel
19:50 wizzyrea did you specify one?
19:51 rhcl it's a direct link off the koha-community web site, and the chat room is pre-filled; I left it "koha"
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20:01 rhcl Given my error message above...
20:01 rhcl Community Manager. The Community Manager Community Manager is appointed by Oracle and is responsible for executing the will of the Community.
20:01 rhcl
20:02 rhcl If is oracle, I can see why it irc2go wouldn't work for me on Linux
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20:40 skushner Has anyone installed debian on a sparc machine here? pls
20:41 skushner thanks
20:42 rhcl not using a VM?
20:43 skushner Can't...tried. It appears my servers too old. 280r. looked into Containers, LDOMS, no avail
20:44 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:44 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.1�C (10:45 PM CEST on May 13, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady).
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20:44 skushner Brandz...tin cans..nothing.
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20:45 skushner Going to try a direct install of debian
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20:45 slef ooh I just read a summary of the 3.6 RM thread
20:45 slef even the summary made me cross
20:46 rhcl I would guess it should work. I have a Fire V240 (Sparc) that I'm thinking of loading deb on to make a backup koha server for us.
20:46 slef where was the agreement?
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20:46 slef skushner: not for over a decade :)
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20:46 cait I think the agreement was about adding internal sign-offs to the patches
20:46 cait note in the patch who tested
20:48 skushner mmm..i'll give it a shot. i'm done with the virtual ****
20:49 rhcl yea, I did a bit of research when you were asking about it earlier and everything I read said VM on Sparc was essentially impossible.
20:49 coryj Is If I change yuipath for under Staff Client prefs, shouldn't it change for OPAC users too?
20:50 skushner um..yeah..that's why i tried to use older stuff, like ldoms, etc., but can't find for download anymore..
20:52 rhcl One think we've noticed (vaguely related perhaps) is that we have an Opteron x4150 w/ Solaris, and it occasionally loses the NFS mounts to a Seagate BlackArmor NAS (which runs Linux).
20:53 rhcl We had thought about trying to use that for our Koha backup, but now I'm leaning to just taking our v240 and putting deb on the bare metal
20:55 skushner same here..
20:57 rhcl Kinda depressing, we paid a fortune for that v240 when is was our new Sirsi Unicorn server, and now they cost $100 - $300 on eBay. Still very capable machines though if in good condition and decked out a little bit.
21:01 skushner Yeah, we paid too much too through Dynix, should've gotten the x86 would be easier..hindsight's 20/20 though
21:01 rhcl exactly
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21:02 skushner Would like to use it for more than a boat anchor, however...
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21:05 talljoy Hi all.  I'm still having install issues.  I had to reinstall Debian due to some partitioning issues (don't ask :) )  I've gotten to the point in the install where I am finding about 70 package that are not installed and Debian can't seem to find them.
21:06 talljoy I've added squeeze main    and squeeze-dev to the sources.list
21:07 wizzyrea can you do a sudo apt-get update?
21:07 rangi what version of debian did you install talljoy?
21:08 talljoy the latest version of debian.  6
21:08 talljoy I've done the update
21:08 rangi you dont want to add both of those, just one of them, for your purposes squeeze-dev is fine
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21:08 rangi and then after the update
21:08 rangi do
21:08 rangi sudo apt-get install koha-common
21:09 rangi it should pull in all the dependencies for you
21:10 rangi then you can get your tarball, unpack it
21:10 rangi run perl Makefile.PL
21:10 talljoy that shows me a whole long list of depends that are not installable
21:10 rangi hmmmm
21:10 rangi what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list
21:10 rangi did you install debian from cd?
21:11 talljoy okay...let me transcribe....different computer
21:11 rangi it might be trying to find the packages from the cd, not from a main debian repo
21:11 talljoy deb squeeze-updates main contrib
21:11 talljoy deb-src  same as above
21:11 rangi only squeeze-updates?
21:12 talljoy deb squeeze-dev main
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21:12 talljoy deb lenny main    and deb-src
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21:12 wizzyrea lol gfdi.
21:12 talljoy should i add lenny updates?
21:13 rangi no definitely not lenny
21:13 rangi or lenny updates
21:13 talljoy ok
21:13 rangi and you dont need that deb lenny main    and deb-src
21:13 rangi take that out
21:14 talljoy I did install from a cd.  but have that commented out of the sources.list
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21:14 rangi is there anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
21:14 wahanui Hmm.  No matches for that, rangi.
21:14 rangi somewhere you want a line
21:14 rangi that is deb squeeze main contrib
21:15 rangi (or similair, hostname may be different)
21:15 rangi without that, you are only seeing the squeeze-updates not all the squeeze packages, hence why it cant find them ;)
21:16 talljoy that makes sense.  let me add a line for that
21:16 * rangi has a 2 year old climbing on him so his instructions arent as good as they could be
21:16 rangi sometimes that line is in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/base.list
21:16 rangi but anywhere works
21:17 talljoy i added it to the /etc/apt/sources.list  file
21:17 rangi if you try an update again now
21:17 rangi then try the install again .. fingers crossed
21:17 talljoy just did.  my speedy (ha!) machine is thinking
21:18 talljoy machine is giving me new results.  much better looking than before.  It is installing 'stuff'
21:18 rangi yay
21:18 cait :)
21:19 talljoy one more hurdle down.  thx
21:19 wizzyrea :)
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21:22 indradg wizzyrea, can I get a Calendar to show with an ExtendedPatronAttribute field?
21:23 cait I think not by configuration - but sounds like a cool enhancement
21:23 wizzyrea ^^
21:23 cait I am not wizzyrea though :)
21:24 wizzyrea wizzyrea was trying to figure it out
21:24 wizzyrea >.>
21:24 cait wizzyrea?
21:24 wizzyrea I don't think so either
21:24 cait hey, where is wahanui?
21:24 wahanui i am a bot
21:24 cait !
21:24 cait wizzyrea?
21:24 cait rangi?
21:24 wahanui well, rangi is a proud Māori whose sense of humour matches his prowess in coding.
21:24 cait ts
21:25 rangi cait?
21:25 wahanui i guess cait is kf or a programmer
21:25 wizzyrea kf?
21:25 wahanui well, kf is cait or really, really sweet.
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21:25 rangi wahanui: cait is also a source of great chocolate
21:25 wahanui okay, rangi.
21:25 rangi cait?
21:25 wahanui rumour has it cait is kf or a programmer or really sweet or a source of great chocolate
21:25 cait lol
21:26 SteveJ Did someone say chocolate?
21:26 cait I think you are one of the very few persons around here that got real chocolate and not only virtual
21:26 rangi :)
21:26 wizzyrea I can think of no better recipient
21:26 rangi did you know that cait made space_librarian buy me chocolate during release week?
21:27 wizzyrea haha!@
21:27 wizzyrea that's awesome
21:27 cait I did?
21:27 indradg cait, thanks.. and I do know that you are wizzyrea :)
21:27 * cait scratches her head in confusion
21:28 indradg cait, oops! s/are/are not/ :P
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21:28 * indradg should hit the bed soon... its 3am
21:28 cait ouch
21:28 cait yeah you should!
21:28 wizzyrea yikes
21:28 cait you are worse than rangi
21:29 cait 3 am!
21:29 indradg cait, hehe... helps to have a very tolerant wife... who's a geek too :-)
21:30 cait :)
21:30 rangi hmm someone did
21:30 rangi maybe it was wizzyrea
21:31 cait perhaps I suggested it, but I think I couldn't make her do something
21:31 cait :)
21:31 wizzyrea i am sure that it was talked about
21:31 rangi hehe
21:31 wizzyrea like "somebody should get rangi chocolate"
21:31 indradg cait, wizzyrea, rangi the town library i'm working on has thrown up a small, but interesting patron requirement... we have a category - neo-literate... for these people, asking them for a DoB is impossible, so we have to make do with approximate age of the patron :)
21:31 wizzyrea the somebody close enough to actually do it, apparently did >.>
21:31 wizzyrea space_librarian++
21:32 wizzyrea oooo
21:32 rangi indradg: id use extended attributes
21:32 rangi just make one that is a text box
21:32 rangi and make DOB not compulsory
21:33 rangi or just make up a date
21:33 cait compulsory?
21:33 cait ah,mandatory
21:33 indradg rangi, but what we have to do is that either of dob or age field has to filled
21:34 rangi yeah, cant do that in koha
21:34 rangi without developement work, there is no idea of either
21:34 indradg yep
21:34 rangi a field is mandatory or not
21:34 rangi how about just use DoB
21:34 rangi and if you dont know
21:34 wizzyrea and approximate
21:35 rangi make them born 1/1/someyear
21:35 indradg rangi, can do that, and have an ExtendedPatronAttribute (searchable) with auth_val "age approximate"
21:36 rangi yeah
21:36 wizzyrea that seems like a not-crap workaround
21:36 wizzyrea ie good
21:36 indradg :)
21:37 indradg yes, otherwise my work is nicely cut of... write it for 3.2.x and then rebase on 3.4 (for the future)
21:37 rangi 3.6
21:37 rangi always work on master
21:37 rangi and backport
21:37 rangi your life will be about 7 million times easier
21:37 indradg rangi, :)
21:38 rangi and your could will be 10 million times more likely to get into koha
21:39 indradg public libraries in my home state has some crazy membership and membership dues rules... none of which can be satisfied by stock Koha
21:39 rangi (thats if it is something you want in upstream, if you just want it local, develop on a branch based off your local bit)
21:40 indradg rangi, i'll have to look upstream ultimately... the 170 libraries are just the pilot... things go well... then we roll for the next 1000 by next year... and I'm not looking forward to a local fork
21:41 wizzyrea lordie 170!
21:41 * wizzyrea gasps 1000!
21:41 * cait just gasps
21:41 wizzyrea individual installs or all together?
21:41 indradg wizzyrea, these are small libs with about 15k to 35k items
21:41 wizzyrea even so!
21:41 rangi indradg: if you develop on a branch thats based (and kept up to date with master) then upstreaming is much easier
21:41 rangi and backport your change
21:41 rangi s
21:41 indradg and about 500 members each
21:42 rangi that way, no pain upgrading
21:42 wizzyrea still!
21:42 cait I have 6 and they keep me busy!
21:42 rangi this is something i have learnt through experience
21:42 wizzyrea 34 here
21:42 rangi and yeah that is awesome news ;)
21:42 rangi maybe you might like to fund robin and I to come teahc you how to build package and use puppet to upgrade them all in one go :)
21:43 * rangi fishes :)
21:43 indradg :)
21:43 SteveJ 4 here and that is about 3 more than I can handle....
21:43 indradg no funds for you and robin in official capacity at the moment... this is our make-or-break project
21:43 bg I think we've got about 400+
21:44 rangi indradg: it was worth a shot :)
21:44 bg :)
21:44 indradg rangi, :) sure
21:44 * cait suddenly feels very small :P
21:45 indradg cait, don't... the librarians at 40% of these libs have to be trained to even how to handle a mouse...
21:46 rangi indradg: i do recommend you look at the debian/build-git-snapshot
21:46 rangi you can run that on any branch, and it will build a package from it
21:46 indradg rangi, these libs do not have connectivity... so we are going with clozezilla / usb-key based image upgrader
21:47 wizzyrea clonezilla++ just used that yesterday
21:47 rangi cool, using the packages for dev/testing/staging is helpful too
21:47 indradg with a bunch of nasty hacks to auto-customize the libs' configs - OS, apps, user profiles and Koha db
21:47 rangi *nod*
21:48 indradg rangi, will be checking that out
21:48 wizzyrea no wonder you're up so late :)
21:48 indradg wizzyrea, comes at a price though... promised the #wife a 10-day vacation with no internet connectivity after we ship
21:49 indradg :)
21:49 wizzyrea psh, by some standards that's pretty cheap ;)
21:49 rangi indradg: feel free to pester us anytime
21:50 rangi tis a great thing you are doing
21:50 indradg rangi, trust me I'll :)
21:53 cait we can handle it :)
21:54 indradg thanks friends :)
21:54 indradg cait, wizzyrea rangi hope you all are coming to India later this year
21:54 rangi i wont be able to
21:54 indradg rangi, oh
21:55 rangi i am speaking at a conf in canada, then one in nz right after, they both kinda overlap with kohacon
21:55 indradg ok
21:55 rangi but ill be there in spirit :)
21:57 rangi an maybe via streaming, who knows :)
21:59 cait you could do a remote 3.6 presentation
21:59 cait I loved your slides :)
21:59 rangi 3.6 will be released/being released
21:59 rangi maybe ill do a live release
22:00 rangi hehe
22:00 wizzyrea you'll be like steve jobs
22:00 wizzyrea HAHAHAHA
22:00 wizzyrea teasing
22:00 wizzyrea we'll like put the website in maintenance mode and eveyrthing!
22:00 rangi hehe
22:00 wizzyrea "something awesome is about to happen!"
22:00 cait lol
22:01 rangi we can get a volunteer to push the button
22:01 wizzyrea TA DA!
22:01 rangi to tag the release
22:01 wizzyrea all right
22:01 wizzyrea enough of that friday/saturday silliness :)
22:01 wizzyrea later friends
22:01 rangi im off to the market
22:01 rangi to get some veges
22:01 cait bye liz :) have anice weekend!
22:01 rangi bbl
22:01 cait oh all leavin
22:01 cait g
22:02 cait probably my clue to go to bed
22:02 rangi will try and empty my push queue tonight
22:02 cait indradg: goand sleep!
22:03 indradg lol
22:08 cait I am serious
22:09 cait and i will give a good example :)
22:09 cait good night #koha, see you tomorrow
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22:38 pianohacker Does anybody know how to make the koha-patches daily digest an actual daily digest?
22:39 pianohacker Right now I get an email every 4 hours
22:39 pianohacker which kind of negates the point
22:39 bg every fours hours it's a new day somewhere :)
22:40 pianohacker I guess...
22:40 pianohacker I'll harass rangi about it
22:40 bg hmm..  pianohacker most likely it's a setting mailman somewhere..  maybe the admins of that can suggest something
22:40 pianohacker that's what I'm hoping
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23:26 indradg rangi, managed to hookup Calendar.setup() function to my 3rd ExtendedPatronAttribute via intranetuserjs :)
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23:37 druthb o/
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23:40 tcohen @wunder madrid, españa
23:40 huginn` tcohen: Error: No such location could be found.
23:40 tcohen @wubder madrid, spain
23:40 huginn` tcohen: I've exhausted my database of quotes
23:40 tcohen @wunder madrid, spain
23:40 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Madrid, Spain is 19.0�C (1:30 AM CEST on May 14, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).

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