IRC log for #koha, 2011-03-04

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00:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #21: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/21/
00:02 jenkins_koha Starting build 22 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #12 23 h ago)
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00:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #22: STILL UNSTABLE in 33 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/22/
00:35 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5799 make language on circ history consistent
00:35 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5792 - Add reference icon to Bridge icon set
00:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5799 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, language inconsistency
00:35 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 4852 - rewrite the query to include limits if using ccl=
00:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5792 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED, new reference icon for bridge set
00:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4852 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Facets doesn't work with direct CCL queries
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00:50 rangi am i imagining things, or is there a syspref that controls whethere you search your own branch first in the opac?
00:52 shelley isn't it set library?
00:53 bg I don't think you are imagining this rangi - I remember that
00:53 rangi yeah i cant remember what its called
00:53 bg SearchMyLibraryFirst
00:53 bg is that it?
00:53 rangi ta
00:54 rangi sounds like it
00:54 bg now that is one of system preferences that is straight forward ;)
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03:14 kmkale Namaskar #koha
03:18 shelley Namaskar kmkale
03:18 kmkale hi shelley
03:19 shelley hi
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03:59 kmkale space_librarian: I am testing the registrations stuff at please check if you got a email from the system.
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08:02 francharb hello #koha
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08:04 magnuse bonjour francharb and sophie_m
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08:04 kf good morning #koha
08:05 sophie_m hello
08:05 magnuse guten morgen kf
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08:08 kf hi magnuse and sophie_m
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08:47 paul_p hello everybody
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08:54 magnuse bonjour paul_p
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08:55 paul_p hi magnuse
10:09 kmkale @quote random
10:09 huginn kmkale: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010)
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12:01 kf hi druthb :)
12:07 hdl hi all
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12:26 nengard got a quick git question (as usual) - if I fix some things in a patch I'm signing off on do I just git add the file before i commit again? and if I do does it include my name on my changes?
12:27 nengard or should it be a follow up patch instead?
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12:41 * magnuse thinks it would be good if the answer to nengard's question could be added here:[…]gn_off_on_patches
12:48 kf nengard: see your mail on the list - do you know the version when list display changes? I think it's not available in 3.2.2, perhaps master?
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13:30 oleonard kf, did you see my reply to the mailing list question about lists?
13:33 oleonard The lists interface revision is already in master, but it's only mimicking search results, not using the same mechanism for display
13:34 kf ah
13:34 kf but master?
13:34 kf ok :) that explains it then, we are on 3.2.2 - thx oleonard
13:34 magnuse oleonard: thanks for that clarification - i was really loosing my confidence trying to figure out when the list display started using XSLT ;-)
13:34 kf and it looks really nice
13:35 oleonard I wish we could display arbitrary lists of biblios according to XSLT rules and re-use that display in lists, carts, reading records, checkouts etc.
13:37 oleonard kf: The revision has been pushed to 3.2.x as well
13:40 magnuse some time between 3.2.2 and 3.2.5, apparently...
13:45 kf oleonard: I will wait then and keep an eye on it.
13:46 oleonard it's my day to compare master and 3.2.x I guess. I can't reproduce bug 5829 in master
13:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5829 blocker, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Unable to select a calendar if there is only one branch
13:48 sekjal anyone recall a problem in 3.0.x where you can't add new patrons?  Just gives you a "this patron does not exist" message, and a URL with borrowernumber=0
13:48 sekjal I recall this being something to do with database structure...
13:48 oleonard sekjal: That sounds like a bug we had just after our recent upgrade
13:49 oleonard jcamins said our borrowers table lacked a primary key
13:50 sekjal looking at the table structure, it's got a primary key, but everytime I do a show indexes from borrowers, the cardinality changes wildly
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13:55 oleonard sekjal: jcamins also found that our database had a duplicate record (same borrowernumber in each)
13:55 sekjal interesting.... looking for that now
13:57 * oleonard can't reproduce Bug 5829 in 3.2.x either
13:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5829 blocker, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Unable to select a calendar if there is only one branch
13:58 kf I updated calendars in 3.2.2 recently - saw not problems there
13:58 kf there is no default calendar, only one for each branch - looks ok to me
14:17 gmcharlt slef: any immediate thoughts on Talis' selling off their library automation arm?
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14:26 LBA @gmcharlt really?
14:26 huginn LBA: downloading the Perl source
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14:27 oleonard LBA: http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]
14:29 LBA @oleonard sounds familiar - another equipty firm acquires a library vendor a la Vista Equity Partners and Sirsis
14:29 huginn LBA: I suck
14:30 * LBA flips off @huginn
14:30 oleonard LBA: You don't need the "@"
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14:30 oleonard That's why huginn (a bot) is complaining. He thinks you're talking to him
14:30 LBA oleonard...thank you!  oops.  IRC newbie
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15:10 hilongo hello there "new" #koha  :)
15:11 oleonard Any trouble finding us hilongo?
15:12 hilongo nope ... hdl kindly pointed me to the new channel when I joined the old one a few minutes ago  :)
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15:19 conan hello everybody
15:19 oleonard Hi conan
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15:26 tcohen hi #koha
15:26 oleonard Hi tcohen
15:27 tcohen oleonard: i'll resubmit patch for bug 5791
15:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5791 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Robust handling of deleted biblios/authorities
15:27 tcohen and later provide follow-ups
15:27 tcohen for the remaining files you say need to be fixed too
15:27 oleonard Thanks
15:28 oleonard tcohen: Did you see nengard's question on Bug 4389?
15:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4389 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Trigger slip print on empty checkout submit
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15:30 druthb wizzyrea++
15:30 tcohen oleonard: i was reading it right now
15:30 tcohen i didn't remember that bug
15:30 tcohen :-D
15:31 tcohen I think the patch is in koha-patches
15:31 tcohen i'll attach it
15:31 oleonard tcohen: I couldn't find it when I searched the patches list
15:31 tcohen ok
15:32 tcohen i'll search for that in my workstation
15:44 druthb wizzyrea++ #again; she is a cornucopia of Good Ideas this morning
15:44 wizzyrea *blush*
15:47 oleonard Well, she's certainly keeping them to herself!
15:47 wizzyrea well we were talking about the fact that in certain configurations
15:47 wizzyrea a home library only reserve, if checked into a branch that isn't it's home, would fill holds for the library it's checked in at
15:48 wizzyrea (wrong behavior, it should always go home to be circ'd at home)
15:49 wizzyrea my idea was to add to CircControl and HomeOrHolding branch, a new preference for "ReserveControl"
15:49 wizzyrea so that you could make reserves follow their own rules for circ.
15:50 wizzyrea druthb has a much better idea of how that could work I think but she's busy with a _very important go-live_
15:51 * druthb perks up, hearing her name, then goes back to cranking on this _very important go-live_, and the other two _very important go-lives_ for this weekend.  :)
15:52 * wizzyrea revises... several _very important go-lives_
15:52 rhcl all in KS, I would presume?
15:53 wizzyrea druthb++
15:53 wizzyrea no, actually.
15:53 druthb ;-)  I've got the other two taped...easy peasy.    No, actually, rhcl, they're scattered all over.
15:53 druthb They're all in Central time for once, though.
15:57 tcohen I made changes in my master checkout that I want to forget
15:57 tcohen (mistake)
15:58 tcohen how do I revert them? i.e. reset to HEAD
15:58 tcohen ?
15:58 oleonard git reset --hard origin
15:59 * tcohen thanks oleonard
16:02 oleonard What exactly does "cleaning" a batch of staged records do?
16:03 sekjal oleonard: removes them from the staging area of the database
16:04 sekjal after cleaning, you can no longer revert the import
16:05 oleonard What is the benefit of doing so?
16:06 oleonard And once a batch is cleaned, why should it continue to appear in the list under 'Manage Staged MARC Records?'
16:07 sekjal reduce the size of the database, and indicate to catalogers that the batch is considered good, solid and fully part of the collection
16:07 sekjal as to why it remains in the list, I'm not sure
16:07 tcohen oleonard: if I use git am ../file.patch
16:07 tcohen the only thing I can do is send a follow-up?
16:08 tcohen (i messed up things with my branches)
16:08 oleonard I don't understand the question tcohen
16:09 tcohen i deleted my branch for bug X
16:09 tcohen y downloaded the patch I sent
16:09 rhcl Interesting, especially the very end >[…]
16:09 tcohen created again a branch for bug X
16:09 tcohen then applied the patch with git am
16:10 tcohen but git diff doesn't show the changes from patch
16:10 * druthb goes back to Silent Running.
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16:10 oleonard git diff origin?
16:10 tcohen u r right!
16:11 tcohen and format-patch will create a complete patch, not a follow-up from the original, right?
16:11 tcohen thanks
16:11 oleonard git format-patch origin
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16:32 rhcl Is there no preference in Koha that would, in OPAC search results, say something like "buy this book", and link to Google Editions or Amazon or whatever?
16:32 rhcl linking to e
16:32 rhcl Books, specifically
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16:33 sekjal in search results list?
16:33 sekjal only way I can see is an 856 field
16:33 rhcl well, for any OPAC search results
16:33 sekjal you'd need to know the full URL
16:34 sekjal you could do it from the OPAC detail page with the SearchForTitleIn system preference
16:34 rhcl Well yea, it would require specific cooperation from the company (Google). I think sometimes I think too theoretically.
16:34 sekjal assuming your target takes URLs with title, author, or ISBN in them
16:35 rhcl wonder if Google would pay commissions?
16:35 sekjal maybe
16:37 gmcharlt rhcl: one variant of B&T's enhanced content supports that, with a portion of the proceeds going back to the library
16:38 gmcharlt downside, of course, is that it's tied to just the one vendor
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16:40 gmcharlt and I suspect that if you are using Amazon cover images, they actually would prefer or *require* you to link back to their website to let a patron purchase the book
16:42 oleonard This could be a function similar to the "search for this title in..." feature on the detail page
16:43 oleonard ...but if you were sending the user to a search on the other site I'm not sure if it would carry the referrer in such a way that the library would get its cut
16:43 oleonard It may depend on the bookseller.
16:49 fredericd oleonard: About OPAC virtual shelf page, and your discussion on koha list. Do you know if there is a bug describing such an enhancement? (XSL on Lists page)
16:49 oleonard I don't know
16:50 fredericd ok
16:50 oleonard If anyone were to undertake it, I would repeat my suggestion that we create a way to handle any arbitrary set of results (or bib numbers) with the same display mechanism
16:50 oleonard ...not knowing, of course, whether that is actually possible :)
16:53 fredericd thats doens't seem simple at all since there is an intermixing of data coming from XSL transformation and data created from elsewhere (images, actions, select boxes)
16:59 oleonard fredericd: Not if you limit the XSL data to the same scope as that on the results page
16:59 oleonard biblio data, item data, some action links (place hold, add to cart)
17:02 gmcharlt oleonard: if you give me a list of things on on the XSLT-generated search results that you wouldn't want included in the Lists view, I can code your moar general XSLTifier pretty easily
17:02 fredericd Bug 5830
17:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5830 enhancement, P5, ---, frederic, NEW, Using XSLT on OPAC Lists page
17:04 oleonard gmcharlt: I think the only difference is that where the search results say "save to lists" the lists page says "Save to another list"
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18:07 briceSanc hello all !
18:07 briceSanc is the syspref 'itemcallnumber' already use in koha ?
18:10 oleonard briceSanc: What do you mean? Are you creating a new system preference?
18:11 briceSanc no, i'm trying to understand how the syspref 'itemcallnumber' works on koha
18:12 briceSanc and with a grep -R 'preference("itemcallnumber")' in koha files, i don't find anything...
18:14 fredericd try grep -R "preference('itemcallnumber"
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18:18 briceSanc fredericd, much better, thanks ! :)
18:22 sekjal idea: to go with the SQL and JQuery libraries on the wiki, an RSS feeds library
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18:27 gmcharlt oleonard: have you seen this: ?
18:28 oleonard Once again Scandinavia leads the world.
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18:52 indradg oleonard, around?
18:52 oleonard yes
18:53 indradg oleonard, do we have any use-case of Koha 3.2.x staff client being used with a simplified interface (MARC at the back, but not showing its teeth to the cataloger) ?
18:53 oleonard I thought someone was working on that recently, but I'm not sure who
18:54 fredericd oleonard: I've resubmited a patch for OPAC lists taking into account your argument
18:54 indradg hmmm...
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19:15 wizzyrea_busy there we go there's an apply!
19:15 wizzyrea_busy lord.
19:16 wizzyrea_busy sip looks ok, he's still testing but he's ok
19:16 wizzyrea_busy if it's not uber perfect at go live, cuz they double check everything anyway
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19:19 wizzyrea_busy well that was not in the right spot. Sigh.
19:32 bg @wunder 93109
19:32 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 22.1�C (11:39 AM PST on March 04, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady).
19:32 druthb @wunder 20852
19:32 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Woodley Gardens, Rockville, Maryland is 9.5�C (2:35 PM EST on March 04, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031.0 hPa (Falling).
19:41 sekjal druthb++
19:41 * druthb perks.
19:41 druthb :)  Thanks, sekjal.
19:42 sekjal thank you for that patch on bug 3595
19:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3595 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Items seen at checkin should always go to 1st priority hold
19:43 druthb :D  Easy-peasy one, one I found trouble.
19:44 druthb the Coding Style Police may come out and git me, but it works.
19:46 oleonard Now I want to know what they'll cite you for!
19:47 druthb For a six-liner?  Not much, hopefully.
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20:02 * druthb hands sekjal a quick signoff on his patch for But 5831 in her copious free time.
20:02 druthb Bug 5831, she says, typing way too fast.
20:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5831 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, does not respect -r flag
20:03 sekjal thanks, druthb!
20:05 druthb yousa betcha!
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20:08 * oleonard wonders what he could busy wizzyrea with
20:11 wizzyrea heh
20:11 * druthb has plenty to keep wizzy bizzy with....testin' stuff!
20:11 wizzyrea ^^
20:17 moodaepo @weather 56001
20:17 huginn moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -4.8�C (2:24 PM CST on March 04, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Steady).
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21:30 briceSanc is there a way to copy items into an another biblio with Koha ?
21:30 gmcharlt briceSanc: copy or move?
21:30 briceSanc copy
21:31 briceSanc and move could be good too
21:31 briceSanc :)
21:31 gmcharlt move you can do directly in 3.2
21:31 gmcharlt go to a bib, choose Edit | Attach Item, then scan/enter the barcode of the item to move to that bib
21:32 briceSanc ok good
21:32 briceSanc and if i want to copy ?
21:33 gmcharlt can't do, at least in one fell swoop
21:33 gmcharlt best you can do is to duplicate items on one bib, then move to the target bib
21:34 briceSanc hummm good idea
21:34 gmcharlt and they won't be exact copies; the barcodes necessarily will have to be different in the copies
21:34 briceSanc of course
21:35 briceSanc i there a way to move a batch of items ?
21:41 briceSanc or do i need to do it one by one ?
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21:48 briceSanc gmcharlt, i need to go, thanks for your help, we could continue the next week
21:48 briceSanc bye all
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23:50 bencahill hey, what table in the db stores the item records?
23:55 bg items

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