IRC log for #koha, 2011-02-08

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00:04 nengard hi all - i'm wondering if someone knows of a commit that recently changed the order in which the item fields appear in cataloging - when adding an item the fields aren't in alpha order anymore .....
00:43 eythian new koha packages uploaded, for anyone interested :)
00:44 rangi yay
00:44 rangi packages++
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02:06 jcamins_away usb_hubs_on_external_monitors++
02:08 jcamins_away nengard: One moment, I recall a bug report.
02:13 nengard jcamins - rangi helped me find it already
02:13 nengard unless you mean another bug report
02:13 jcamins_away Oh, good.
02:13 jcamins_away Nope.
02:13 nengard :)
02:13 jcamins_away I wasn't finding it anyway.
02:13 nengard thanks though!!
02:14 rangi found the commit that broke the ordering
02:14 rangi now just have to fix it
02:17 nengard rangi what bug # was that - i can update the bug report if you want
02:22 rangi 4263
02:25 rangi adding the sort bit didnt work?
02:36 nengard bug updated
02:44 brendan_ evening
02:46 rangi heya brendan_
02:46 brendan_ rangi - what's happening man :D
02:47 rangi reading good press releases about masscat :)
02:47 * mtj waves at brendan_
02:47 brendan_ heya mtj -
02:47 mtj long time, no chat :p
02:48 brendan_ yeah been off for awhile
02:48 brendan_ I should be coming back a little bit slowly now though
02:48 mtj getting some sun, i hope
02:49 brendan_ a little
02:49 brendan_ :)
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04:12 druthb sekjal++ # for bein' a hero.
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04:36 kmkale namaskar #koha
04:38 druthb hi, kmkale.  :)
04:39 kmkale hi druthb
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05:17 snail mtj: if you're around and have questions about the wikipedia article, I'm around at the moment
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06:17 kmkale can anyone tell me how to initialize a git repo with a copied kohaclone directory?
06:30 kmkale never mind
06:32 rangi snail: do you want to add some of the other awards?
06:33 rangi[…]&HighLight=2,koha
06:35 rangi it won the 3m award for innovation in 2000 too
06:35 rangi trying to find a 3rd party source for that
06:37 rangi[…]ion-in-libraries/
06:39 rangi Another one in 2004
06:39 rangi[…]&HighLight=2,koha
06:40 rangi  finalist in nzosa, and i got contributor of the year for koha work
06:40 rangi prolly not worth adding that one tho
06:41 rangi i think thats all of them :)
06:44 kmkale chris got a minute?
06:47 kmkale many of the templates in opac which deal with users data eg opac-account.tmpl, opac-passwd.tmpl etc do not have a id for the container div like opac-user.tmpl has an id userdetail. having these id's makes it easier to customize with css. If you think adding such id's is a good idea, I can make a bug and a patch.
06:48 rangi yes, that is a good idea
06:48 rangi everything should have an id
06:48 rangi i cant think of any reason not to give something one, even if we never use it, it cant hurt :)
06:49 kmkale cool
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07:02 francharb hello #koha
07:02 rangi hi francharb
07:02 francharb hi rangi!
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07:13 snail kmkale: if you're in there giving things id's and there are some that are similar, you may want to group them into a class as well
07:14 snail heh, can ppl see[…]6073_335845_n.jpg ?
07:14 magnuse ooh, cozy!
07:19 snail rangi: cheers, added those awards
07:20 rangi cool photo :)
07:25 snail Outside of a dog a book is a man's best friend, inside of a dog it's too dark to read --- Groucho Marx
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08:02 kf good morning #koha
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08:03 rangi hi kf
08:04 kf hi rangi :)
08:05 kf pushing patches? :)
08:05 rangi always
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08:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5462' into kcmaster <[…]e5cefec1ec661e51a> / Follow-up correction for Bug 5462 - Fix variable names for template::toolkit <[…]da132dd06e171eff3>
08:12 paul_p hello world !
08:12 paul_p working from home today. 2 boys ill
08:12 hudsonbot Starting build 347 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:12 kf hope they get better soon
08:13 kf and good morning paul_ü
08:13 kf paul_p
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08:13 paul_p thx kf
08:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5616: Corrects an utf-8 encoding problem in cardviews <[…]b07be9c49b66e8ced> / Bug 5701: Distinction between authors/additional authors in staff normal view (MARC21... <[…]796ec80251f3390fb> / Bumping database version <
08:37 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #347: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/347/
08:37 hudsonbot Owen Leonard: Follow-up correction for Bug 5462 - Fix variable names for template::toolkit
08:38 hudsonbot Starting build 348 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2742 : Fix typo <[…]e6a9cb7704a83cf40>
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08:57 magnuse hm, looks like the patch for bug 2742 does not include our beloved "nynorsk"
08:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2742 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, Wrong language name in the preferences
08:58 kf morning magnus
08:59 magnuse hiya kf
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09:00 magnuse kia ora, jransom!
09:00 jransom magnus baby !! how are you  :D
09:01 magnuse rangi: is it ok if i submit a patch for 2742 that just adds "nynorsk"?
09:01 magnuse jransom: fine thanks, lots of work to do and not enough time, though... ;-)
09:02 jransom tell me about it ..
09:02 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #348: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/348/
09:02 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 2742 Correct language names in install
09:02 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version
09:02 hudsonbot * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 5701: Distinction between authors/additional authors in staff normal view (MARC21/XSLT)
09:02 hudsonbot * Fr?d?rick Capovilla: Bug 5616: Corrects an utf-8 encoding problem in cardviews
09:03 magnuse jransom: and you are crunching numbers?
09:03 hudsonbot Starting build 349 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:06 * kf waves to jransom
09:08 rangi magnuse: yes, thats fine
09:09 magnuse rangi: cool. do i set the the status back to patch sent when it's sent?
09:09 hdl hi
09:09 wahanui hey, hdl
09:10 rangi yup, thats right
09:10 magnuse rangi: thanks, i'll give nynorsk a try, then
09:13 rangi cool
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09:20 jransom hiya Katrin :D
09:21 jransom magnise: been crunching numbers all day. did a bit huge mistake
09:21 jransom just found it but need to explain it now ....
09:29 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #349: SUCCESS in 26 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/349/
09:29 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Bug 2742 : Fix typo
09:30 magnuse jransom: good thing you found it, then!
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09:32 rangi hi indradg
09:32 indradg rangi, hi
09:32 indradg rangi, pm?
09:32 rangi yup
09:35 jransom Magnus: yep - but now I have to fess up :(
09:36 magnuse jransom: ah, you made the mistake earlier and discovered it now?
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12:54 jcamins Good morning, #koha
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12:57 jwagner morning, jcamins
12:58 jcamins Hi there, jwagner and Nate_.
12:59 Nate_ morning!
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13:17 oleonard Hi #koha
13:18 jcamins oleonard: Good morning. I was just thinking of you. Are you working on Bug 5704?
13:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5704 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, bib level item type icon should display on search results
13:18 oleonard No
13:19 jcamins Okay.
13:19 jcamins I think I'll take a stab at it.
13:19 oleonard what's your plan?
13:20 jcamins I'm still working on that.
13:20 oleonard :)
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13:28 jcamins Does anyone know of a way to quickly delete a huge number of records from MySQL?
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13:30 jwagner jcamins, is there something identifiably unique about them?
13:30 jwagner i.e., can you select where....
13:30 jcamins jwagner: yeah.
13:30 jcamins Huh. That was weird.
13:30 jcamins DELETE FROM biblio WHERE biblionumber < 51200 only took 1:30 today.
13:31 jcamins Cool. If there's a better day to do it, though, I'd be grateful for any pointers.
13:32 jcamins I've been spending a lot of time deleting records of late.
13:33 jcamins Never mind. The DELETE didn't work right. That's why it was so fast.
13:34 jwagner I don't work at the MySQL level much, but if you can do a where you should be able to frame a select.
13:34 jwagner What do you get if you do a select with the biblionumber < 51200?
13:34 jcamins Oh, I got all the results I want to delete.
13:35 jcamins The problem is when there are no typos, deleting 50k records takes a loooooooooooong time.
13:35 kf not sure it will be faster
13:35 kf but I had problems with tables where I was not allowed to delete more than one line at a time (not koha)
13:35 kf and we did rewrite the output from a select to delete statements, using concat
13:36 jwagner kf, that sounds painful
13:37 jcamins Ah. I see why it was so fast.
13:37 jwagner jcamins, I assume you've checked that these records aren't linked to anything?
13:37 jcamins It took 1:30 to delete about 10k records.
13:37 jcamins jwagner: they are. I'd be fine with manually reconciling foreign key constraints, though.
13:38 jcamins I'm just going to blow away the database after I figure out what's going on anyway.
13:38 kf jwagner: only a little painful, once you have the statement it's pretty fast to do
13:39 jcamins Ooh, I'll try SET foreign_key_checks = 0;
13:39 jcamins Woohoo! 4.2 seconds.
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13:45 jcamins What do y'all recommend for key_buffer on a VirtualBox VM?
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13:57 oleonard bug 5709
13:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5709 enhancement, P5, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, Adding the ability to translate HTML5 placeholder text in an input field
13:57 oleonard Should we be modifying the translator script to accommodate a feature that isn't in Koha?
14:00 kf oleonard: I think the question is if the translator script will be changed for template toolkit
14:00 kf and if we want to change it now before that happens?
14:00 kf and do we plan to use html5 in koha
14:01 oleonard I think we should plan to use html5 in koha eventually
14:02 oleonard We've got too many template-wide change bugs at the moment: bug 4048, bug 5481
14:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, CSS and JS libs must be outside of translated paths
14:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5481 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Replace YUI JS libraries with Jquery UI
14:02 oleonard And T:T of course.
14:03 kf I think we should wait for the next version perhaps
14:03 kf when the change to template toolkit is done
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14:05 druthb Good morning, from code4lib.  :)
14:06 sekjal I'm interested in a second template directory with all the templates done in HTML5 and CSS3
14:06 sekjal oh, and found another followup fix for bug 5462
14:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5462 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Fix variable names so we dont break template::toolkit
14:07 oleonard sekjal: why a second one?
14:07 sekjal the change to the templates breaks the patron messaging preferences form
14:07 oleonard sekjal: Sorry, I mean why a second template directory?
14:08 sekjal oleonard:  ah
14:08 sekjal since not every browser supports HTML5 yet, we can keep koha's requirements lower by making HTML5 optional at first
14:09 sekjal also, we can develop it in parallel, and fall back to prog if things get weird
14:15 jcamins For those of you who have been waiting with bated breath to learn how to delete massive numbers of records, here is what I did:
14:15 jcamins SET autocommit=0;
14:15 jcamins Increased innodb_buffer_pool_size as much as possible.
14:15 jcamins Ran the delete.
14:15 jcamins (actually, I increased innodb_buffer_pool_size first)
14:16 jcamins It was slow, but not like before.
14:18 jcamins I left foreign_key_checks alone, since that makes the deletion propagate.
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15:08 jcamins Why would Zebra not work only with biblios?
15:08 jcamins Authorities are searching fine, but biblios are not.
15:09 kf have you reindexed with a and b?
15:09 jcamins Yup.
15:10 sekjal jcamins: corrupted biblio record
15:10 sekjal ?
15:10 jcamins Probably.
15:10 wahanui hmmm... probably is already fixed in 3.2.x and 3.4
15:11 jcamins Apparently the very first record, in fact.
15:11 oleonard wahanui: forget probably
15:11 wahanui oleonard: I forgot probably
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15:11 jcamins You'd think there would be some sort of error, though.
15:13 jcamins Oh, never mind.
15:13 jcamins It's suppress lost biblios.
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15:15 jcamins OpacSuppression, rather.
15:16 jwagner jcamins, do you mean the record wasn't searching because it was suppressed, or it was failing to index/corrupting because it was suppressed?
15:17 jcamins jwagner: no results were coming up because OpacSuppression was turned on.
15:17 jcamins (and the suppress index wasn't set up)
15:17 kf kmkale++
15:18 kf kmkale: I was customizing one of these pages with jquery yesterday and was missing a unique id :)
15:20 oleonard kf: Are you signing off on that patch?
15:20 * oleonard had just started to review it
15:22 druthb @wunder Bloomington, IN.
15:22 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Bloomington, Indiana is -7.7�C (10:25 AM EST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024.3 hPa (Rising).
15:22 * druthb shivers a little.
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15:23 kf oleonard: i don't have time now - I could try tonight
15:23 oleonard No, I'll just keep going
15:23 kf ok, thx
15:23 oleonard I just wanted to make sure we weren't both working on it
15:23 kf no, shoudl work on a zillion other things
15:26 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway
15:26 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0�C (4:20 PM CET on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.18 in 988 hPa (Rising).
15:29 oleonard @wunder 45701
15:29 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Athens, Ohio is -3.0�C (10:15 AM EST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
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15:45 nengard @wunder seattle, wa
15:45 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Herrera Environmental Consultants, Seattle, Washington is 5.1�C (7:49 AM PST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady).
15:45 nengard @wunder 19030
15:45 huginn nengard: The current temperature in CWOP # AR939, Penndel, Pennsylvania is 2.2�C (10:49 AM EST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 8 PM EST this evening...
15:46 oleonard Are you in Seattle nengard ?
15:46 nengard well - i guess it's good i'm in seattle :)
15:46 jcamins @wunder 11375
15:46 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Long Island City, Queens, New York is 6.4�C (10:45 AM EST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Rising).
15:46 nengard yep oleonard
15:46 nengard training yet another new koha library :)
15:47 * oleonard should find an excuse to visit Seattle someday
15:47 nengard my second visit
15:47 nengard last time was for SLA
15:52 rhcl @wunder 64507
15:52 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is -16.7�C (9:56 AM CST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -24.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030.0 hPa (Falling). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until noon CST today...
15:52 rhcl -16.7   Do I win?
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15:59 gmcharlt @quote random
15:59 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #112: "gmcharlt: only superlibrarians can be trusted with capes" (added by wizzyrea at 09:17 PM, December 15, 2010)
16:00 oleonard rhcl: A Pyrrhic victory though it is
16:00 gmcharlt @wunder 99517
16:00 huginn gmcharlt: The current temperature in Earthquake Park, Anchorage, Alaska is -5.7�C (6:59 AM AKST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Falling). Strong wind through late tonight along Turnagain Arm and higher elevations...
16:00 gmcharlt very Pyrrhic
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16:15 gmcharlt does anybody know offhand whether Switzerland is UNIMARC or MARC21 territory?
16:15 * gmcharlt suddenly had an imagine of a weird, cataloger-centric game of Risk
16:16 jcamins gmcharlt: that's a really funny image. But I have no idea.
16:17 gmcharlt hmm, looks like MARC21 if the national library's catalog is any indication
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16:19 hdl gmcharlt: we had UNIMARC libraries there
16:19 hdl But there are some MARC21 also
16:19 gmcharlt mxiture, then
16:19 * jwagner gathers armies in the other blue countries and prepares to attack Switzerland
16:20 hdl gmcharlt: Do you know what data SimpleServer should send back when being asked MARC records ? It seems that sending MARC::Record->as_usmarc is being interpreted as BAD MARC
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16:21 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks
16:21 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is -15.1�C (10:25 AM CST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -20.0�C. Windchill: -22.0�C. Pressure: 30.59 in 1035.8 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am CST Wednesday...
16:21 wizzyrea so close.
16:21 gmcharlt hdl: yep, it should be expecting regular ISO
16:21 gmcharlt though you could try MARCXML
16:22 hdl marcxml is being sent ok
16:22 hdl Our SimpleServer for Solr is working fine with marcxml
16:23 hdl But is rasing an error when answering MARC
16:23 hdl trying to know what we are supposed to send
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16:37 oleonard Yes, it's true: I created a bug report and sent a patch for a bug involving one space.
16:37 jcamins oleonard++ # for attention to detail
16:37 oleonard I hope it finds its way into Koha's top-ten list of single-character bug fixes
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16:46 cait owen++
16:47 cait oleonard++ even
16:47 cait this missing space was annoying :)
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17:02 magnuse oleonard: my first patch removed one character... ;-)
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18:56 liw oleonard, I have a friend who's contribution to the Linux kernel is -1 lines :) he found a bug whose fix was to remove a line
19:01 rangi Nice :)
19:01 * druthb waves to rangi
19:02 rangi Heya how's the conf going?
19:02 druthb so far, so good.
19:02 rangi Cool
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19:13 rangi Ahh nickserv, gotta love it
19:14 fcapo Hello, I have some questions on Zebra reindexation : is anybody working on a replacement for zebraqueue right now?
19:15 fcapo Our clients need to have live reindexation of records, so right now we are using zebraqueue with a restart every night because of its memory leaks :/
19:16 jcamins fcapo: I think ebegin was doing some work on that.
19:17 ebegin I had a look at it, but I was pulled by something else and didn't have time to look at it since.
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19:18 ebegin but it still in my todo list :)
19:18 fcapo ok, good :)
19:19 fcapo Today, I had to modify zebraqueue so it would work like rebuild_zebra. I just copied the fix_leader, fix_biblio_ids, fix_authority_id and fix_unimarc_100 subroutines from rebuild_zebra and used them in zebraqueue.
19:20 fcapo I'm just wondering what all these fix subroutines are doing :/
19:20 ebegin They are fixing things ;)
19:20 rangi Fcapo
19:20 mtj fcapo: i have a similar hack for zebq
19:20 rangi You are better off writing some bash
19:21 rangi To run
19:21 rangi In a loop
19:21 mtj ie: a bash wrapper script that calls, every minute
19:22 mtj this allows me to start/start the re-indexing easily, without a cron edit
19:23 rangi Well more that calls it whenever it finishes,every min you will get more than one running
19:23 fcapo Well, my modifications to zebraqueue are already done and working.
19:24 rangi Yes but it still leaks
19:24 rangi That's why it shouldn't be used
19:24 fcapo yea :/ that's why we do a restart every night
19:25 mtj a restart every hour even, and it prolly works ok  too
19:25 fcapo yea, If I get memory problem, I'll change the restart interval
19:25 mtj (but i should not really recommend that, to folks)
19:26 rangi Naw
19:26 rangi It still spazzes out
19:26 rangi Every so often
19:26 rangi I wrote it and it sux
19:26 mtj but yeah, what we really need is a new re-index method thats a hybrid of the two
19:26 rangi Don't use it
19:26 rangi Is my advice
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19:27 rangi Bbiab
19:28 mtj oops, i take that back!…..
19:28 fcapo so... no perfect way to do live reindexation yet? :(
19:28 mtj i have a wrapper script that calls every X minutes
19:29 mtj rather than calling via cron
19:29 mtj no, its been on my to do list for a while too!
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19:30 ebegin But having to wait X minute for reindexation is quite long for the users.
19:30 pastebot0 "mtj" at pasted "" (55 lines) at
19:30 fcapo Well, right now my modified zebraqueue seems to be working correctly, only leaking memory when a lot of modifications are made :/
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19:31 fcapo Thanks for the feedbacks, I'll be careful with it.
19:31 ebegin It's ok for bib appearing in the catalogue, but when they are creating a new bib and want to add a newly created authority, they have to wait for X minutes before being able to search it...
19:32 mtj fcapo: check out my prev. paste..
19:33 mtj as chris.c said, its a looping bash wrapper for, rather than a cron
19:33 fcapo mtj: looking at it. I'll test it
19:33 mtj lol, its actually a *perl* wrapper, not bash ;)
19:34 fcapo yea :P
19:34 mtj but you get the picture...
19:34 mtj sleep for a minute,
19:34 mtj is a current rebuild happening?,  no...
19:35 mtj are there any outstanding bibs to index, yes...
19:35 rangi back
19:35 mtj then, start
19:35 fcapo Well, normal cronjobs have a 1 minute limit, so using that script with a 60 seconds interval isn't really different, no?
19:36 rangi fcapo: i use one that just starts another one as soon as one finishes, well 5 second wait
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19:36 rangi you can adjust the time
19:36 ebegin fcapo, you could set it at 10 sec if you want to. If there is nothing to do, this script just access the db once
19:36 mtj no different really , but i/admins can start/stop the job easily
19:36 fcapo just wondering if lowering the interval so it's almost "live" would slow down the server :/
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19:37 rangi if you did it nicely, with a fork, from within perl, then no, no more than the daemon does
19:37 fcapo interesting
19:37 mtj it should *not* slow the server, too badly
19:38 mtj its just a "select * limit 1"  lookup to zebra_queue  table...
19:38 mtj ive you clean out the zeb_que table every few days, that select is pretty quick
19:39 mtj thats the theory , anyway... :)
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19:39 brendan_ mtj I live the name of your computer ( bilbo ) :)
19:39 brendan_ heh s/live/love
19:40 mtj twas a katipo name, i think?
19:40 fcapo I was thinking about the time it takes to start new instances of perl, but then I saw the "Select limit 1" ... nice
19:40 rangi nope katipo is all spiders
19:41 mtj katipo named the box for that client?
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19:43 mtj ah, me remembers....
19:43 jcamins Just for the record, if you set autocommit=0, make sure you run `COMMIT;` after the queries you want to stick.
19:46 mtj fcapo: so my goofy script could be increased to loop every 5 /10 seconds
19:47 mtj … which would be close to real-time indexing, without the memory bloat problem
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19:48 mtj ive been too busy/embarassed to submit it to, but its been running fine on a prod/slave combo for 2 years :)
19:49 rangi everyone say hi to space_librarian
19:49 jcamins Hello, space_librarian.
19:49 rangi today is her 3rd day at catalyst
19:50 space_librarian hello space_librarian. :)
19:50 ibeardslee and she has a computer already!
19:50 rangi heh
19:50 space_librarian and dual monitors. I'm so impressed!
19:50 mtj space_librarian: grateings from planet earth
19:50 druthb hi, space_librarian!  :D
19:51 space_librarian Hey all. :)
19:51 sekjal space_librarian:  we're watching a presentation on the Astronomical Data System here at Code4Lib
19:51 * mtj always views the matrix with dual monitors, (in hex)
19:51 sekjal druthb and I, that is
19:52 space_librarian that sounds pretty awesome.
19:53 space_librarian And I wonder if I can still find that old school (original) matrix screensaver somewhere...
19:54 rangi space_librarian: this is the main koha channel, its all logged, and its where we have our community meetings etc
19:54 ibeardslee space_librarian: System >> Preferences >> Screensaver >> MatrixView
19:54 rangi
19:55 rangi
19:55 space_librarian great. I will take notes and be attentive. And go look for that screensaver.
19:55 rangi :)
19:56 wizzyrea mtj: !!!!! Give!
19:56 wizzyrea ok for real this time
19:56 rangi sekja, wizzyrea and druthb are in the us, mtj is somewhere near wellington, ibeardslee is down on level 2 :)
19:56 wizzyrea i'm out, peace :P
19:56 rangi cya wizzyrea
19:57 * jcamins is in the US, too.
19:57 rangi ah yep, and jcamins
19:57 space_librarian ciao wizzyrea, nice to meet you.
19:57 rangi jcamins, sekjal, druthb, brendan_, Nate_ and nengard are all from bywater
19:58 rangi (a koha support company)
19:58 rangi wizzyrea is from NEKLS
19:58 druthb :D
20:01 brendan_ :D
20:02 jcamins gmcharlt++ # for including useful information when you run with -v
20:04 jcamins useless_verbose_logging--
20:04 jcamins @karma useless_verbose_logging
20:04 huginn jcamins: Karma for "useless_verbose_logging" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
20:04 jcamins That's it?
20:04 jcamins useless_verbose_logging--
20:05 oleonard Hello from Ohio, space_librarian
20:05 jwagner And hello from Maryland
20:07 sekjal useless_verbose_logging--
20:07 sekjal I'll chip in on that :)
20:08 space_librarian you know that useless verbosity is a mainstay of bibs and authorities in library cataloguing, right? Just checking... :)
20:09 jcamins space_librarian: no, my objection is when -v gives you all the information in the world except what you need.
20:09 jcamins For example, which record has killed the indexing process.
20:09 space_librarian oh yes. I know. That's the irony of it all. And you can never get a straight answer either.
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20:17 slef hi all... been a pointlessly busy day here
20:17 sekjal sorry to hear that, slef
20:17 sekjal nice when busy days are pointy
20:18 slef lots of admin done, but it's just not the same
20:20 jcamins Here's a thought experiment. What if link_bibs_to_authorities committed changes to 1000 records at a time?
20:21 jcamins Would that make it any faster?
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20:30 rangi how about making a switch
20:30 rangi where you can specify how many to commit after
20:30 jcamins rangi: yeah, that's what I would do if I were going to implement the feature.
20:30 jcamins The purpose of the thought experiment was to determine whether it's something worth doing.
20:31 rangi well, you'd probably have to try it and see
20:31 jcamins Yeah, that's what I figured.
20:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5718 : fix permission of moveitem = edit_items needed <[…]1238a276cc6addbaf>
20:32 fcapo mtj : Thank you for sharing your script. It's working great!
20:34 hdl hi
20:34 wahanui hola, hdl
20:35 rangi hdl: another biblibre patch merged ! :-)
20:35 hdl nice.
20:35 rangi i hope to finish 5574 today
20:35 rangi  <-- new koha site live
20:35 hdl fcapo: where is this zeb_wrapper script ?
20:36 oleonard rangi: Nice!
20:36 mtj hdl
20:36 rhcl chris: just out of idle curiosity, why https vs http?
20:36 mtj ok, gotta scoot...
20:36 rangi it connects to their active directory
20:37 rangi i dont want passwords floating around in plain text
20:37 mtj ooh, new books! ;)
20:37 chris_n rangi: nice looking site
20:37 rhcl ic login page
20:37 mtj nice css skinning rangi
20:37 oleonard rangi: Is that designed by Catalyst?
20:37 rangi they did most of it
20:38 rangi we just helped them with the trickier bits of css
20:38 rangi that site is your definitive resource for kiwifruit btw :)
20:39 hdl in fact most of Koha sites should be in https
20:39 hdl nice looking
20:41 hdl mtj: good script, could be part of a patch
20:41 hdl I think paul sent his script
20:42 hudsonbot Starting build 350 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:45 sijobl woo, plant and food
20:46 rhcl there seems to be a dead link on the page -- E Journals and Books
20:46 sijobl rangi: is stephen northover still the librarian?
20:46 rhcl re: plantand food
20:46 * sijobl guesses not, as it as 20 years ago when I worked there :-)
20:47 rhcl well, I guess all the left margin links are dead--site not live yet I guess?
20:50 rangi sijobl: hmm nope, all women
20:50 rangi you were at hort research eh?
20:51 slef rangi: doesn't absol... hmm
20:51 sijobl yup, and the DSIR before that
20:51 sijobl the last six months of that august institution :-)
20:51 rangi right, plant and food were an interesting one, cos it was merging 2 catalogues, crop and food and hortresearch
20:51 sijobl we were so cool, we made our own routers
20:51 sijobl from scratch
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20:51 rangi both used different systems
20:51 rangi hehe cool
20:52 sijobl eventually, the router division was commercialised and became allied telesyn
20:52 rangi rhcl: i think that link only works inside their vpn
20:52 sijobl I'm suprised it's taken that long - weren't crop and hort merged years ago?
20:52 rangi yes, yes they were ;)
20:53 sijobl ohh, no, it was only the end of 2009
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20:53 rangi well a year ago :)
20:53 sijobl sorry, end of 2008
20:53 sijobl so two years to merge library systems
20:53 sijobl you don't want to rush these things :-)
20:53 rangi we only started in sept
20:53 rangi :)
20:54 sijobl[…]objectid=10533889
20:54 rangi their building is pretty neat
20:54 rangi its one of those ones they could never build these days
20:54 rangi build old science block
20:54 sijobl whereabouts?
20:54 rangi s/build/big/
20:55 rangi mt edenish
20:55 sijobl ohh, yes
20:55 rangi you can see eden park from it anyway
20:55 sijobl MARC
20:55 rangi has a bunch of land around it too still
20:55 sijobl it is a bit mad, in the high rise out in the burbs sense
20:55 rangi yeah
20:55 sijobl mount albert research centre
20:56 rangi thats it
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21:07 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #350: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/350/
21:07 hudsonbot Paul Poulain: Bug 5718 : fix permission of moveitem = edit_items needed
21:08 oleonard Ciao #koha
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21:18 jcamins I seem to recall there being a document explaining Koha version numbers. Does anyone know where that document might be?
21:21 rangi theres more than one
21:21 rangi one is on the site whose name i will not utter
21:22 * druthb announces a code4lib Koha hackfest tonight, in her hotel room.  :)
21:22 rangi
21:22 * druthb must now hustle to get her room tidied up a bit...
21:22 rangi is scrapped from that site
21:22 rangi With Koha 3, version numbering has been changed to use a method similar to Perl's:
21:22 rangi major.minor[.revision[.build]]
21:22 rangi * major: one digit
21:22 rangi * minor: two-digit
21:22 rangi * revision: two-digit
21:22 rangi * build: three-digit
21:23 jcamins Hm. Thanks.
21:26 jcamins How do you find out where two branches diverged?
21:27 rangi 2 branches in git?
21:27 jcamins Right.
21:27 rangi git merge-base
21:28 rangi rorohiko:[git/new/enh/bug_5​720-]:~/git/catalyst-koha% git merge-base new/enh/bug_5720 kc/master
21:28 rangi d251585f717203b3abc27ab1238a276cc6addbaf
21:28 rangi git freaking rules
21:28 jcamins That's really cool.
21:31 jcamins Okay, one last question... is it possible to get a log going all the way back to a specific commit?
21:32 liw git log COMMITID1 HEAD # iirc
21:32 jcamins Oh, I figured it out.
21:32 jcamins Yeah, I had the two arguments backwards.
21:45 sekjal japanese open source ILS:  Enju
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22:26 jcamins Good night, #koha
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22:34 rangi hi LBA
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23:06 LBA howdy rangi
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