IRC log for #koha, 2011-01-24

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03:51 wasabi love this one……
03:52 wasabi[…]nformed-Customers
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04:27 kmkale good morning all
04:27 kmkale chris around?
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06:13 chris evening
06:29 fredericd good evening chris
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07:11 CIA-1 Koha: chrisc kcmaster.old * rv3.02.00-586-g9ef05a8 /installer/data/mysql/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Bug 5551: Adding missing system preferences
07:11 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5551 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, The shelf browser should be able to ignore things like location
07:14 CIA-1 Koha: colin.campbell new/enh/bug_4309 * rv3.02.00-587-ga8e1e54 /C4/ Bug 4309 Do not throw error on auth search of multiple fields
07:14 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4309 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Authorities : Multiple values search leads to Error 500
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07:45 hudsonbot Starting build 317 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
07:46 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3659, Add place hold option from patron checkout tab <[…]8ab3a3fac83d99a9b> / Bug 4309 Do not throw error on auth search of multiple fields <[…]dfb8bd10e555e0057>
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08:09 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #317: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/317/
08:09 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 4309 Do not throw error on auth search of multiple fields
08:09 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3659, Add place hold option from patron checkout tab
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08:23 kf good morning #koha
08:23 chris hi kf
08:23 kf hi chris :)
08:39 kf fines_management--
08:40 kf I wish it wuold not show all these english strings
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08:46 kf morning ivanc
08:47 ivanc guten morgen kf
08:47 ivanc hallo #koha
08:51 kf hi ivanc :)
09:10 kf hm repeating myself
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11:35 kf munin botsnack cookie
11:35 munin kf: Error: "botsnack" is not a valid command.
11:35 kf aw
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12:40 Nate morning #koha
12:41 druthb hi.
12:41 druthb :)
12:41 Nate hi druthb
12:42 jwagner morning, all
12:49 Nate morning jwagner
12:51 tcohen hi all at #koha
12:52 tcohen back to work after summer holidays surfing in brazil
12:52 tcohen :-D
12:54 jwagner @wunder 20817
12:54 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Burning Tree Estates, Bethesda, Maryland is -12.5�C (7:56 AM EST on January 24, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 30.47 in 1031.7 hPa (Steady).
12:54 jwagner Oh, rub it in, tcohen!
12:55 druthb winter--
12:58 jwagner It is just a tad chilly out there this morning....
12:59 jwagner Of course, when we're all basking in summer, those poor folks in the southern hemisphere will be freezing :-)
13:00 druthb "basking"?  You "bask" on the does not "bask" in the Potomac River "melt" or "swelter" or something, but you don't "bask."  :P
13:00 jwagner picky, picky, picky.  You could be back in Texas, remember!
13:01 druthb mhm.  like living in a microwave.
13:02 jcamins_a druthb: hopefully without the unfortunate tendency to cause living beings to spontaneously explode.
13:02 jcamins_a Good morning, #koha
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13:02 druthb normally, yes, jcamins.  :)
13:02 tcohen druthb: :-D
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13:15 jwagner @quote add <druthb> "basking"?  You "bask" on the does not "bask" in the Potomac River "melt" or "swelter" or something, but you don't "bask."  :P
13:15 munin jwagner: The operation succeeded.  Quote #117 added.
13:15 * druthb giggles
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13:21 owen Hi all
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13:36 ebegin good morning!
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13:36 ebegin @wunder montreal, quebec
13:36 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -27.0�C (8:00 AM EST on January 24, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -33.0�C. Windchill: -35.0�C. Pressure: 30.53 in 1034 hPa (Rising).
13:36 owen Ouch!
13:36 ebegin Can you believe it... -27...
13:36 ebegin Yes, it's cold!!!
13:37 owen We had -19C on Saturday morning
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13:37 * ebegin is ready to move in California, Hawaii, NZ... any takers?
13:40 ebegin owen, in NZ?
13:40 ebegin -19?
13:40 ibot -19
13:40 owen Ohio
13:40 ebegin ok. I was wondering where on earth the summer was ;)
13:43 Oak \o
13:51 jcamins ibot: 5+5?
13:51 ibot 10
13:51 jcamins 5+5?
13:51 ibot 10
13:51 druthb hm.
13:51 druthb ibot:  9^6?
13:51 ibot 15
13:51 druthb or not.
13:51 owen ibot: 9#6?
13:51 ibot no idea, owen
13:51 jcamins ibot: 9**6
13:51 ibot 531441
13:52 jcamins Is that right?
13:52 druthb clever.
13:52 owen ibot: 9 standing near 6 and glaring?
13:52 ibot owen: wish i knew
13:52 druthb yes.
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13:56 ebegin Hey, is it possible to use the 852$b value for searching a specific branch?
13:57 ebegin MARC852$b
13:57 ebegin MARC 852$b
13:57 ebegin (isn't there a command that munin tells us the description of a marc field?)
13:57 druthb marc 852
13:58 druthb @marc 852
13:58 munin druthb: Identifies the organization holding the item or from which it is available. May also contain detailed information about how to locate the item in a collection. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,p,q,s,t,u,x,z,2,3,6,8]
13:58 ebegin @marc 852 b
13:58 munin ebegin: Sublocation or collection The specific department, library, collection, etc., within the holding organization in which the item is located or from which it is available. (Repeatable)
13:58 ebegin thanks druthb
13:58 druthb you betcha.  :)
14:00 ebegin So, I would like my search uses this field instead of the item current location or permanent location. Some of our bib doesn't have items (they are available online). Any idea ?
14:10 kmkale heya druthb jcamins ebegin owen
14:10 druthb hi, kmkale. :)
14:10 ebegin hey kmkale!  How are you?
14:11 ebegin How the weather in india? :)
14:11 kmkale good how about you?
14:11 ebegin @wunder montreal, quebec
14:11 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -26.0�C (9:00 AM EST on January 24, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -33.0�C. Windchill: -32.0�C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Rising).
14:11 kmkale @weather Mumbai
14:11 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 27.0�C (6:40 PM IST on January 24, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
14:11 ebegin :)
14:11 kmkale :)
14:11 ebegin almost the same
14:11 kmkale yup with a minor -
14:12 ebegin Not a big deal...
14:12 owen Wow ebegin, if kmkale gave you all of that you'd still be cold.
14:12 kmkale :))
14:12 ebegin hehe
14:12 kmkale and i will freeze too
14:13 ebegin Here, in summer we can have +34 and -34 in winter...
14:13 kmkale ouch
14:14 kmkale we are like 20 to 38
14:14 jwagner ebegin, I went camping in Quebec once, in August.  The temperature was below freezing at night.  I was not equipped for that :-(
14:14 ebegin I may plan to move in India too
14:15 ebegin jwagner, that was exceptionnaly cold for summer.
14:16 ebegin jwagner, do you remember where you were>
14:16 jwagner That's what _I_ thought.  I cut that trip short & went down into Maine, where it was warmer.
14:16 jwagner I was north of Montreal, I think, in the Laurentians.  Near Chicoutimi (sp)
14:18 ebegin Ok, I see. What the h**l were you doing there ? :)
14:19 jwagner Looking at pretty scenery, and freezing my extremities off!
14:19 ebegin hehe
14:19 jwagner I spent most of one night split between the campground's bathroom and my car, both of which were warmer than my tent/sleeping bag.
14:21 kmkale ebegin: you can explore career opportunities in India during KohaCon11 if it comes here ;)
14:21 * jwagner is still considering exploring career opportunities in New Zealand :-)
14:22 ebegin :) I may.  And I may also considere NZ and California too ;)
14:22 kmkale I can assure you of huge Indian Library professional participation
14:22 kmkale a very close friend just moved to California :(
14:23 atz chris: I'd be interested to see some of the catalyst-style personal debian packages, if it is not a security issue to share an example.
14:37 wizzyrea whoa, do we really get atz back? :)
14:37 atz wizzyrea: indeed, somewhat.
14:37 wizzyrea \o/ yay!
14:38 kf :)
14:38 kf atz: you should probably ask robin - but I think he is on vacation
14:39 atz thx kf
14:39 atz wizzyrea: state library is running millenium *and* horizon... w/ an evergreen test server setup.  but koha is still of interest.  I'll chip in when I can.
14:40 wizzyrea O.O
14:40 * wizzyrea shudders
14:42 atz yeah, last week I got to switch between III serials training and SirsiDynix Symphony sales pitch all day w/o break.
14:42 * jwagner thinks that's likely to cause split personalities
14:42 wizzyrea ^^
14:43 atz actually i was happy to see symphony stuff is a lot better polished than Unicorn used to be when I was at INFOhio
14:43 atz and III serials is very usable
14:43 atz of course the bugs in each still drive me nuts.
14:43 kf and you can't repair them yourself...
14:44 atz yeah, definitely can't even touch the III stuff.  i'm responsible for a server I can't even ssh onto.
14:44 kf uh
14:44 wizzyrea ouch
14:44 owen Boo.
14:45 atz i'm kinda "meh" on it.  not being able to do anything there frees me up to work more on koha/EG
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14:56 wizzyrea sometimes it's nice to have a server that you only have to make sure it's running and working.
14:57 owen Kinda like a hamster.
15:03 wizzyrea ya, minimal feeding and tending required.
15:03 wizzyrea the occasional outing in a hamster ball
15:05 jwagner but not a cheap replacement when they die :-(
15:21 kmkale बये ालल। घोोद निगहत
15:21 kmkale bye all good night ;)
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15:33 sekjal anyone having trouble with the latest changes to the authorised values administration page?
15:33 sekjal if the list is non-null, the submit button disappears
15:33 wizzyrea O.O
15:34 sekjal and I can't get more than single page worth of results to display
15:34 sekjal the first 20 of 49 are displaying, but the template is set to show 50
15:34 sekjal very weird
15:34 owen Bug 5650
15:34 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5650 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, item type page key wrong
15:35 owen Probably related
15:37 sekjal yeah, something with those template changes is wonky
15:40 owen I should have time to look at it today sekjal, unless you already are
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15:41 sekjal owen: you could probably find the root of the problem quicker than I.
15:57 ebegin gmcharlt, around?
15:58 gmcharlt ebegin: yes
15:58 ebegin A quick question about MARC::Field.
15:58 ebegin Is there  a way to get an array from the subfields() function?
16:00 ebegin right now, when we have a field with a repeated subfield, we get the concatenation of the subfields values, ex: "value1|value2"
16:06 ebegin gmcharlt, do you understand what I mean? :)
16:07 gmcharlt ebegin: MARC::Field->subfields() returns a list of listrefs
16:07 owen I've worked with Koha so long I no longer know how my country spells 'authorized'
16:07 gmcharlt as long as you are evaluating the results in list context instead of scalar conext, it shouldn't be concatenating them together
16:08 ebegin gmcharlt, ok, let me check that.
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16:18 owen Man, if you're showing your catalogers an example from your test system make sure the barcode isn't "wrong" or prepare for a freak-out
16:19 jcamins Wrong library prefix?
16:19 owen Yeah, to them it was like it was nails on a chalkboard.
16:20 owen I had to say hey, it's just an example.
16:24 wizzyrea oy
16:40 fcapo hello, I'm still having a problem with my search results: Some books appear as "No Title" and the link points to an error page because borrowernumber=""
16:41 fcapo Tried reindexing many times. I'm using the -x parameter with rebuild_zebra because I have some huge records that make rebuild_zebra stop without it.
16:42 fcapo The records that show "No title" aren't the large ones. The problem seems to affect random records. Looked at their XML and saw nothing stange.
16:42 fcapo strange*
16:44 fcapo I've been looking at that problem for a long time and still didn't find a solution :( Zebra seems to send some empty records when the syntax is set as "usmarc".
16:45 fcapo When I set it as "XML", I get the results correctly, but Koha can't read them because it uses MARC::Record->new_from_usmarc()
16:53 owen sekjal: I just sent you a patch to test, if you're willing
16:53 owen For
16:54 sekjal owen:  absolutely, thanks!
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17:09 chris atz: we package everything :), did you mean the koha packages? (robin maintains them), or the user packages that we use to add users to a server?
17:10 atz chris: the latter
17:12 chris cant show you the git repo, i can show you a built package tho
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17:12 atz that'd be fine
17:13 chris i lie
17:13 chris i can show you the repo
17:13 chris[…]tor.git;a=summary
17:14 atz thx
17:16 owen Oh crap, chris--The patch you pushed for Bug 3659 was totally the wrong one!
17:16 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3659 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Add place hold option from patron checkout tab
17:17 chris bin/clone-new-sysadmin is the first place to look
17:17 * owen begs chris to revert
17:17 atz chris: thx
17:17 chris ill revert the merge owen
17:18 * owen bangs his head on his desk
17:19 chris ill let you update the bug status
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17:23 CIA-1 Koha: chrisc new/enh/bug_3659 * rv3.02.00-589-ge1b1c43 / (14 files in 6 dirs): Revert "Fix for Bug 3659, Add place hold option from patron checkout tab"
17:23 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3659 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Add place hold option from patron checkout tab
17:24 chris reverted
17:24 owen Thank you.
17:24 owen This week has nowhere to go but up.
17:25 jwagner That's what I thought about last week.  Boy, was _I_ wrong....
17:27 sekjal owen++ (for his work on bug 5650 today)
17:27 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5650 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, item type page key wrong
17:28 owen I've got a follow-up that helps too
17:28 sekjal very cool
17:29 sekjal I'd be happy to test it out, after I grab a bite to eat
17:30 hudsonbot Starting build 318 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:30 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Fix for Bug 3659, Add place hold option from patron checkout tab" <[…]418e2a0e3c8dc9e0d>
17:32 jcamins Cat's home. :D
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17:40 atz chris: the catalyst sysadmin stuff appears not to really use apt's dependency checking
17:41 atz instead doing stuff like :  if ($? != 0) {die "You need git-core installed to use this program."...}
17:50 owen git fetch timing out for anyone else?
17:51 fcapo I think I have found a way to fix my "No title" problem, but it will take some time to fix.
17:52 fcapo If I set the Zebra connection syntax to XML and then change all the MARC::Record->new_from_usmarc call to MARC::Record->new_from_xml, all my search results appear correctly.
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17:53 cait hi #koha
17:53 fcapo But I'd need to find and modify almost every instances of new_from_usmarc. I'll also need to change the calls to MARC::File::USMARC->decode :S
17:57 fcapo Just a question: is it a good idea to change the Zebra connection syntax to XML and change every new_from_usmarc to new_from_xml? I could add a setting in the preferences to let the user choose the format they want to use.
17:57 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #318: SUCCESS in 27 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/318/
17:57 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Revert "Fix for Bug 3659, Add place hold option from patron checkout tab"
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18:00 jwagner chris, since you're online, do you know what record encoding was used in Koha 2.x? We're having a hard time converting several sites -- doesn't seem to be anything recognizable like latin1 or utf-8 etc.
18:00 jwagner Hoping someone will remember...
18:01 chris It'd be whatever you had you mysql tables set to
18:02 chris Fcapo: its slower from xml, that's the main reason
18:02 fcapo I tested it on my instance, it isn't noticeably slower for me
18:03 chris It is with a lot of records
18:04 fcapo I got 82000 records on this instance
18:04 chris Yeah I'm talking lots :)
18:04 chris Add another 0 or 2
18:05 chris You could try benchmarking
18:05 fcapo ok :S . Still, it seems the only solution I found to prevent my search results from sending "No title" items randomly.
18:05 chris Yeah, I've never seen that happen though
18:06 chris On all the kohas I run
18:06 chris So there must be another solution too
18:06 fcapo It doesn't happen if rebuild_zebra is used without -x
18:06 fcapo but I need -x so I can process my large records
18:07 jwagner chris, the records seem to have a mixture of encoding, not just what's in the MySQL config.  I was hoping for some magic answer :-)
18:07 chris The way to do it would be to not just change everything to from xml
18:07 chris Because that may cause other problems down the track
18:08 chris It would be to put that in a subroutine, and use a syspref
18:08 atz jwagner: sounds like a bear.
18:08 fcapo That's what I'm talking about, adding a preference so an encoding could be chosen.
18:08 chris So if you set createfromxml it uses xml, otherwise from marc
18:09 chris C4::Record is where id put it
18:09 jwagner atz, it's a whole menagerie :-(
18:10 atz yeah, i had a not-fully-setup mysql w/ the wrong encodings hosting lithuanian koha records
18:10 atz once...
18:11 jwagner We have about three sites simultaneously, trying to upgrade from some flavor of 2.x, and having trouble with the encoding on all of them.  Sigh.
18:11 atz yeah, before you start changing mysql configs make sure to document what they are (were) when the data was entered
18:12 atz if you can't figure out where you started, you have a lot less chance of getting where you want to go
18:12 jwagner milk, spilt, crying over :-(
18:12 jwagner Our dataloader thinks some of them are double-encoded and others are in no coding she recognizes.
18:13 atz might go back to some backup dumps from before the config changes and check.
18:13 atz probably are double encoded though
18:14 atz but there were always weird things in MARC8 to try to do diacritical/combining chars
18:15 atz the default encoding in mysql changed between 4.x and 5.x too, iirc
18:16 atz having started out as swedish or something
18:22 chris_n` is now known as chris_n
18:29 fcapo How could I name a subroutine that gets a raw Zebra search result (from SimpleSearch for example) and converts it into a MARC::Record object depending on the Zebra result syntax used (XML or USMARC) :/
18:34 chris zebra_to_marcrecord
18:34 chris or something like that
18:35 fcapo ok, now I'm wondering if I'd put it in C4::Search because it is zebra related, or C4::Record because it is record related :P
18:38 chris you have to make sure you only change the calls that are coming from zebra too
18:38 chris not other places that are doing things with the marc column in biblioitems (if there are any)
18:39 chris right time to go catch my bus
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19:01 chris Back
19:06 chris And loving ubuntu choosing libreoffice over the corp controlled openoffice
19:06 slef hi all. End of a long day here :) Up at 6, out before 7,in the city by 8.
19:06 slef chris: I think the logical conclusion is for ubuntu users to choose debian over the corp controlled ubuntu, isn't it? ;-)
19:07 chris I could lend you a kid that runs on that schedule
19:07 slef yeah, naw.
19:07 chris Slef: the smart ones do :)
19:07 * cait waves to chris and slef
19:07 chris Heya cait
19:07 slef hi cait
19:07 * slef vanishes into INBOX
19:09 cait if it was my inbox ... never to be seen again
19:09 * slef sees a freecycle WANTED ad for a yurt
19:10 slef there's all sorts out there
19:10 chris Heh
19:11 chris Large mongolian population near you? :)
19:11 slef yeah, in the middle of Bridgwater (a small industrial town)
19:11 owen-away is now known as owen
19:11 slef </sarcasm>
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19:23 ivanc hi #koha
19:23 ivanc guten abend cait
19:23 cait hi ivanc
19:31 owen schuster awake?
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19:55 magnus kia ora, #koha!
19:57 cait hi magnus :)
19:58 magnus hiya cait!
19:58 cait it's been a terrible silent monday morning without you )
19:58 magnus sorry about that... meeting all day - wont be back home and normal until next monday
19:58 cait it's ok, I will survive ;)
19:59 magnus goody!
19:59 chris hi magnus
19:59 magnus hi chris
20:00 magnus good job with the os academy!
20:00 chris ibeardsle did all the hard work
20:01 magnus ahh... ;-)
20:01 magnus and you just sat there and watched the test coverage grow?
20:02 slef hi magnus
20:02 slef bye all - dinner+sleep here
20:02 chris well no i did that bit, i ibeardsle did all the organising ;)
20:03 magnus g'night slef
20:06 chris cya slef
20:06 ibeardsle not all,
20:06 ibeardsle ruth did the collecting of students
20:06 ibeardsle the tutors did the teaching
20:06 chris ahh she did a great job too
20:06 ibeardsle the mentors had the projects working
20:07 ibeardsle I just stood/sat around stressing
20:07 magnus sounds like you all did your bits and pieces... ;-)
20:07 chris ibeardsle:[…]success-for-koha/
20:07 magnus hope the students realize how lucky they were!
20:07 ibeardsle I think the trick is to stress before the event rather than during
20:07 chris and[…]3-2-3-statistics/
20:07 chris Zach sneaked into 4th place
20:09 magnus hehe, cool
20:10 magnus today and tomorrow i'm in a place called Notodden - they have a university college that will start a master degree in FOSS this fall
20:10 magnus i don't know the details, but it sounds really cool
20:11 ibeardsle chris: they all appear in those first two lists!
20:12 ibeardsle magnus: if you can find a link on that, I'd be interested in tracking more info down
20:12 rhcl Notodden is on a lake, wonder how the fishing is there?
20:13 chris magnus: and if they offer extramural (distance study) id be potentially interested in takin the course :)
20:13 magnus not sure about the big lake, there has been lots of industry here so it might be a bit polluted - but they say there are lots of places to fish in the surrounding areas!
20:14 magnus i'll check what info they have
20:15 rhcl it's about 100 km from langesund, on the ocean, there should be a few carp out in the ocean...
20:16 magnus[…]boration-with-UoA
20:16 magnus rhcl: sounds like you know this neck of the woods like the back of your hand?
20:17 rhcl yep, me and google maps
20:17 rhcl :)
20:17 magnus "Language of instruction: English" yay!
20:17 chris w00t
20:17 magnus rhcl: hehe
20:18 magnus chris: "However, the study programme is not primarily web-based; in the first year much of the instruction will be given in Kristiansand."
20:18 chris ah dangit
20:19 magnus :-(
20:19 chris not sure i can convince work to send me to norway
20:19 magnus you can try! ;-)
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20:29 magnus time to go - see you tomorrow!
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20:42 ebegin what could be a syntax to search multiple branches at once ?
20:42 ebegin I would like to limit the results to more than one branches.
20:44 cait not sure they are working - but pehaps you could try search groups?
20:44 cait the groups that can be defined for branches
20:44 chris ebegin you can do it with ccl, or a crafted url
20:45 chris lemme find you an exampl
20:45 chris e
20:45 ebegin cait, I can not really group the branches. I want to let the user pick (using a check boxes) the sites
20:46 cait ah - sounds like a nice feature
20:46 cait we have only small libraries so far 1 branch each :)
20:46 cait but we are working on one with 5 branches right now
20:55 ebegin chris, by ccl, you mean using "branch:DOC and branch:ARCH" for example?
20:55 chris except with OR
20:55 ebegin yep, of course ;)
20:55 jwagner owen, online?
20:55 owen Yes
20:56 jwagner You are working on Bug 5594 currently?
20:56 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5594 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, default sort order for items on bib records
20:56 chris meeting time bbiab
20:56 owen jwagner: No. If I was it would be marked "assigned"
20:56 jwagner Or maybe I'm thinking of a different bug but can't find it -- I thought you were working on something that always displayed the user's library's holdings first.
20:57 * jwagner could be hallucinating, of course...
20:58 owen Not me
20:58 jwagner OK, faulty memory then. Thanks.
20:59 owen The feature sounds familiar, but I wasn't working on it
21:00 jwagner I could swear someone was, and I thought there was a patch.  But I can't find anything in bugzilla that seems relevant except that one.
21:01 jwagner I'll look some more tomorrow.  Going home now....
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21:05 gmcharlt is anybody else having problems accessing as of about five minutes ago?
21:06 moodaepo gmcharlt: confirmed
21:06 gmcharlt looks like a basic connectivity or server problem, so I can't log in
21:07 * gmcharlt floats the bat signal to sekjal and any other ByWater folk who can check
21:07 sekjal gmcharlt: we're on it
21:08 gmcharlt thx
21:08 moodaepo Is the repo on the same server as
21:08 gmcharlt no
21:09 * moodaepo was just curious
21:09 gmcharlt moodaepo:[…]te_Administration in case you're still curious (and bored)
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21:11 sekjal DDoS attack against our hosting provider
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21:27 chris ouch
21:32 sekjal okay, is back
21:33 gmcharlt cool
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21:49 ibeardsle chris: john just dropped of the laptop he borrowed .. we seem to have kicked an interest off there
21:50 chris awesome!
21:52 ibeardsle he's wandering down to borders to find a perl book
21:53 chris ahh we shoulda pointed him at grant
21:53 chris
21:53 chris[…]  <-- we got lots
21:55 ibeardsle he knows about the perlmongers / perl usergroup
21:56 chris cool
21:56 * cait sighs
21:56 ibeardsle but feel free to flick him an email (if appropriate) about that link
21:56 chris yup
21:57 ibeardsle cait: sigh?
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21:57 cait hard to explain
21:58 cait :)
21:59 * cait wants to learn perl too but has not been very successful teaching herself
21:59 ibeardsle ahh
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22:01 cait ok, bed time :)
22:01 cait bye all
22:01 jcamins is now known as jcamins_a
22:01 jcamins_a Dinner/train time.
22:02 schuster drive home time what a day!
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22:27 Michael Anyone out there?
22:29 sekjal hi, Michael
22:30 Michael hi
22:31 Michael I've been sifting through Koha listserv archives trying to find something that relates to...
22:31 Michael grabbing data from Koha and displaying it on other websites.
22:32 Michael For example, I'd love to have an auto-generated list of "New Books" on a couple of different websites
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22:33 Michael And I thought it'd be best if I could somehow go into Koha and grab all records that meet certain criteria (recently cataloged, recent publication date, etc)
22:33 Michael and display a list of those titles on a webpage somewhere
22:33 Michael I'm just wondering if this is even possible
22:35 wizzyrea new books is a tough one
22:35 wizzyrea well, it is for us anyway
22:35 sekjal Michael:  Koha has customizable RSS output that could be helpful here
22:35 wizzyrea because you probably want "new books" that are actually by pubdate
22:35 wizzyrea and not acqdate
22:35 chris also checkout
22:36 chris[…]ly-acquired-books
22:36 chris which i have a pull request open, with some changes
22:36 wizzyrea oh that's a very new thing isn't it
22:36 wizzyrea nice
22:37 chris[…]ired-books/pull/1
22:37 chris which may or may not be useful
22:37 Michael thanks, i shall investigate
22:37 wizzyrea makes you use the acq module tho
22:37 Michael We're using version   Will this present a problem?
22:38 sekjal Michael:  that's pretty close to the current codebase (just before the release of 3.2), so it shouldn't be TOO bad
22:40 chris wizzyrea: wouldnt be hard to change to just use pubdate
22:43 * wizzyrea has a catalog full of bad data, gets shakespeare on pubdate RSS feeds.
22:43 wizzyrea (no, they weren't reissues published this year)
22:43 chris well yeah gigo :)
22:43 wizzyrea just sayin, ymmv
22:43 wizzyrea ;)
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22:44 wizzyrea so in that sense, using the acq module is smart, because it's got actual catalog dates
22:44 * wizzyrea mutters about MARC
22:44 * wizzyrea mutters about humans
22:45 * gmcharlt mutters at both, considering that the latter is responsible for the former
22:45 wizzyrea ^^
22:49 chris @wunder wellington nz
22:49 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0�C (11:00 AM NZDT on January 25, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
22:50 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
22:50 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 2.3�C (4:51 PM CST on January 24, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Rising).
22:50 wizzyrea oh hey, warm
22:50 wizzyrea :P
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22:52 chris heh
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22:58 Michael regarding[…]ly-acquired-books , one of my team's smartypants people says...
22:58 Michael "This should work. It generates a web page from the database and places that page in the Koha interface. I'm not sure where we are supposed to put these files though..I'm guessing it needs to be uploaded to some directory (not sure where) on the server that Koha resides on and...
22:59 Michael ...the config file needs to have the access information (username and password) to the koha database."
22:59 chris if you use my fork (until its pulled)
22:59 chris it uses C4::Context
23:00 chris so you dont have to have it defined again in another file
23:00 Michael you're referring to
23:00 Michael ?
23:01 chris[…]ly-acquired-books
23:01 chris its designed to run as a cron job, and then you have a static html file you can scp to whereever you want
23:02 chris i changed it to use C4::Context to get a database handle
23:02 Michael okay
23:03 * gmcharlt prefers more integrated approaches, but I've no problem sticking that on Michael's Koha DB if wanted
23:03 chris gmcharlt: thats step 1 in integrating it
23:03 chris step 2 is an option, to write a file, or print to stdout
23:03 chris step 3, put it in misc/
23:03 chris in the koha repo
23:04 gmcharlt still a fair amount of duplication
23:04 chris somewhere in there change it to respect the syspref for where you want book covers from
23:04 gmcharlt especially if you consider things like the cover source
23:04 chris yep
23:04 gmcharlt something that did something like (say) seeded a public list with the items
23:04 chris the idea alen had, and this makes sense
23:05 chris wsa that that would run on some server that knows nothing about koha
23:05 chris but can connect to the db
23:05 gmcharlt or pushed a list of bib IDs generated somehow (e.g., via the SQL query) through Koha's bib result display and formatting
23:07 chris its only me that changed it to bind it more tightly to koha
23:08 Michael I'd like to give it a try if you think it'll work, Galen.
23:08 gmcharlt Michael: sure (you can safely ignore the friendly argument chris and I are having :) )
23:08 Michael Just let me know what *I* need to do on my end of things
23:09 gmcharlt chris: considering that the original includes SQL queries that rely on a knowledge of Koha's schema, it was already pretty tightly integrated
23:09 Michael That was a friendly argument, was it? I was waiting for the expletives to fly... ;)
23:10 gmcharlt if one were writing an ILS-dependent new books list, I'd expect it to use RSS feeds, or OAI-PMH, or something
23:10 chris gmcharlt: true, but no koha modules
23:10 chris for someones first attempt, i didnt think it was that bad
23:12 gmcharlt that's fine, but it would have a ways to go to being a first-class feature in Koha itself
23:12 chris yup
23:13 chris i still want one where you can easily pick the ones you want to display
23:13 gmcharlt what I think it really points at, actually, it that's it's time to redo contribs
23:13 chris yup
23:14 chris i think we were waiting on a volunteer to host
23:14 chris my linode is chokka block
23:14 gmcharlt I don't know about you, but I feel no particular attachment to PEM
23:14 chris nope
23:14 gmcharlt so it could be a complete fresh start
23:15 chris yup
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23:32 rhcl PEM = Peabody Essex Museum? Polymer Electrolyte Membrane? Power Equipment Maintenance?
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