IRC log for #koha, 2010-12-19

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00:49 eter joined #koha
00:51 * Brooke waves at eter
00:51 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
00:51 * jcamins waves at Brooke and eter
00:55 jcamins Hey, there's a command-line Marcedit tool!
00:57 eter hey
00:57 eter hi Brooke
00:57 Brooke :)
00:58 Brooke when regular MarcEdit is just not geeky enough?
00:58 jcamins Brooke: right.
01:00 ULS joined #koha
01:00 ULS saludos a todos
01:00 Brooke bienvenido!
01:01 ULS muchisimas garcias a todos por crear esta comunidad de ayuda.
01:01 ULS tengo algunas consultas. Como le cambio el idioma a mi sistema koha. Al español?
01:01 Brooke hang on a tic, haven't had to change the language in forever.
01:03 ULS Any tutorial to change the language to Spanish koha?
01:04 Brooke k
01:04 Brooke Main Intranet Login
01:04 Brooke System Preferences
01:04 Brooke scuse me
01:04 Brooke Administration
01:04 Brooke System Preferences
01:04 Brooke then ES :)
01:05 Brooke it's the I18N/L10N tab
01:05 Brooke just to be extra obvious ;)
01:07 Brooke Bueno?
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01:07 * Brooke waves at pianohack
01:07 pianohack Hallo Brooke
01:07 ULS buscando one moment ples
01:08 pianohack Finally have some free coding time :)
01:08 * Brooke cheers at pianohack
01:08 jcamins pianohack: lucky you!
01:08 jcamins Can I have some?
01:08 pianohack Hehe, once you do a engineering school finals week ;)
01:09 Brooke it's all downhill from finals in Trinity
01:09 * Brooke threatened her invigilator with a Glen of the Downs hike.
01:11 jcamins pianohack: what's the status on your text-based cataloging form? (not to be pushy, just wondering... last I heard there was a rumor you were going to try to polish it to submit to Master)
01:11 pianohack Yes! I had plans to do that, and then college hit me upside the head
01:12 jcamins Heh.
01:12 jcamins Welcome to higher education.
01:12 pianohack Indeed
01:12 pianohack Glad to be at school, but it changes your priorities when you're not looking
01:18 jcamins Yeah, it does that.
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01:29 jcamins pianohack: how did your finals go?
01:30 pianohack Nothing too crazy this first semester, think I did well
01:30 pianohack It's next semester that'll be evil, with physics and calc 2
01:30 Brooke /me shudders.
01:32 pianohack Physics is supposedly one of the "weed-out" classes, so I might disappear again for a while :P
01:33 * Brooke rolls her eyes.
01:35 Brooke I have never understood the whole "weeding out" thing outside of the Forces.
01:37 eter ok so i've successfully installed koha (i'm a system amin that never had to do library before) now i want to configure koha with ldap think i see somewhere that it is possible, the potential users of this system already have id numbers which i want koha to use, i also have the users in ldap groups which i want to use as koha permissions
01:38 jcamins I don't know anything about LDAP, sorry.
01:38 pianohack Brooke: The official reason is they want to find out who "really wants an education"
01:38 pianohack Also known as the most crazy/obedient
01:39 pianohack eter: You might try a message to the mailing list; Joe Atzberger (atz) is very knowledgable about LDAP
01:41 eter ok,   we currently moving from a manual system where things were done by hand, is it possible that if i get a bunch of guys to start type data such as author title pub etc in a spreadsheet it will be importable into koha?
01:42 pianohack Yup, there are ways to get that data into Koha
01:42 pianohack If possible, you might try just cataloging the books in Koha, though
01:42 Brooke *nod*
01:43 Brooke you can rig ISBNs to MARCedit and play fetch, too.
01:43 eter any pointer into the right diretion would be extremely welcomed
01:43 pianohack There's usually a few issues with importing, and entering them directly into Koha allows you to download information from other library's catalogs to make the records nicer
01:43 pianohack Ooh, hadn't thought of that
01:43 Brooke however, you get the effort you put in.
01:43 pianohack eter: Is this a conventional public library with reasonably common books, or a specialized collection?
01:44 eter its a school...truth is i'm not knowledgeable on their collection, they just called me in to help them
01:45 jcamins eter: what kind of school?
01:45 jcamins Generally speaking, I mean.
01:45 eter college
01:46 Brooke :/
01:46 Brooke I feel like we need an a/s/l for collections.
01:47 eter i figur they might have things like research papers and so on...just speculating
01:47 Brooke the key is to find a similar collection and mine it for data.
01:47 eter a/sl ...age sex location?
01:47 Brooke but even there, there will always be tricky records
01:47 eter ok
01:47 jcamins eter: if they catalog research papers, they are totally SOL wrt copy cataloging.
01:47 Brooke expect about 85/15 no matter what.
01:47 * Brooke agrees with jcamins.
01:47 * jcamins works at a library which catalogs papers separately
01:48 eter whats SOL wrt? );
01:48 eter out of luck?
01:48 eter lol
01:48 Brooke ayep
01:48 jcamins Errr... stuck out of luck with regards to
01:49 eter hhmm lol
01:50 eter i was thinking that maybe i should give them the staff interface and let them start using it for populating the data...but being a newwbie to koha myself i'm still here trying to find videos to teach them how to add the data
01:51 eter whilst trying to find a way to adapt the interface to a theme of their liking
01:51 jcamins eter: there are a bunch of videos by nengard.
01:51 jcamins And perhaps Brooke knows where. :)
01:52 Brooke >.>
01:52 Brooke <.<
01:52 Brooke I keep telling people 1) the tapes never existed.
01:52 Brooke and 2) I didn't steal them
01:53 Brooke[…]ki/Koha_Tutorials
01:54 eter lol Brooke maybe the garbage man did
01:55 Brooke Yes...that's the ticket...
01:56 jcamins Argh!
01:57 jcamins For future reference, document.ready and document.load are not interchangeable.
01:57 jcamins (not that I thought they were, I just didn't realize I was editing document.load)
02:01 pianohack Even worse, it's window.load
02:01 pianohack Always annoyed me
02:01 pianohack Yay, installed Koha on Maverick w/o CPAN
02:02 pianohack chris_n++ # is wonderful
02:03 eter i found two of nengards videos is there more?
02:03 Brooke prolly a tonne
02:04 jcamins
02:04 jcamins I don't think that's the one I use...
02:05 jcamins No, I use
02:05 jcamins How does help you avoid CPAN?
02:15 jcamins Wow. Apparently the Koha repository has increased in size by 50% since May.
02:17 eter found some pdfs form nexpress here[…]s-september-2010/ hopefully good enough
02:18 eter jcamins, does that translate to more productivity?
02:18 jcamins eter: I have no idea.
02:19 jcamins I do know it translates to 50% longer download times, though. ;)
02:21 jcamins pianohack++
02:22 jcamins pianohack: any chance you could file a bug and attach your patch to the bug?
02:22 pianohack jcamins: Well, the lovely ubuntu packagers help you avoid having to install from CPAN, helps you make sure you've installed everything right without constantly reloading the page in the installer; that was a pain
02:22 pianohack jcamins: Sure, one sec
02:22 jcamins pianohack: ah, got it. That makes sense.
02:24 eter i thought that dublincore package wasnt in maveric
02:26 jcamins pianohack: thanks!
02:26 pianohack jcamins: np
02:26 pianohack wow, you're on top of things
02:26 Brooke eter: you must be this tall to ride DC
02:26 pianohack Koha cyborg implant working for you? :)
02:27 pianohack (also, create the bug, assign it to myself, attach the patch, then mark it RESOLVED FIXED?)
02:27 jcamins pianohack: create the bug, assign to yourself, and I'll sign off on it, and send it to the list.
02:27 jcamins And mark the status signed-off.
02:45 Brooke cheers lads.
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02:45 jcamins pianohack: how do you use dpkg --set-selections?
02:47 jcamins Ah, got it.
02:48 jcamins No, just kidding, I'm confused.
02:49 jcamins I apparently don't have dselect.
02:50 eter aptitude install dselect
02:51 jcamins Cool, thanks.
02:51 jcamins That worked.
02:51 jcamins :D
02:55 pianohack jcamins: Don't even need that
02:55 pianohack Just run apt-get dselect-upgrade
02:55 pianohack jcamins: Also, I did that bug a bit wrong, but will remember for the next :P
02:57 jcamins Okay, now, can I configure nullmailer with Google Apps...
02:58 jcamins Yep, looks like I can.
03:00 wasabi[…]ver-Wikileaksinfo
03:01 wasabi … a new twist to wikileaks
03:05 pianohack Hmm. Does Koha still care about your ParserDetails.ini? Thought I saw a patch to fix that
03:05 jcamins pianohack: yeah, it does.
03:05 pianohack Dammit
03:05 pianohack Okay, thanks
03:05 jcamins There's been some discussion about whether it *really* matters, but no one can figure out what the problem was originally.
03:06 pianohack Was some encoding issue, no?
03:09 jcamins Yeah, but the official bug report was "it doesn't work.
03:12 jcamins INSTALL.debian?
03:13 ibot rumour has it INSTALL.debian is at​koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian
03:13 jcamins Thanks, ibot.
03:13 ibot jcamins: no problem
03:13 wasabi i bumped into a install problem with an incorrect ParserDetails.ini file recently
03:14 wasabi so i think Koha does depend on being correct, still...
03:14 jcamins Yeah, it does.
03:15 jcamins My understanding is that 3 of the four options *might* work.
03:15 jcamins (and the fourth definitely doesn't)
03:18 pianohack ibot: Well, hello there
03:18 ibot pianohack: i'm not following you...
03:18 pianohack Casual conversation is a lost art
03:23 jcamins Okay, that didn't work.
03:24 jcamins Wait, I know why.
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03:26 kevinD Hi
03:26 kevinD Anyone around
03:27 jcamins @later tell hdl Sorry if I spammed koha-patches. I'm having some problems.
03:27 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded.
03:27 jcamins Anyway, good night, #koha
03:27 jcamins is now known as jcamins_a
03:31 kevinD I have a question about install if anyone is free
03:38 pianohack kevinD: I'm around, everyone else might be asleep
03:38 pianohack What's up?
03:43 kevinD Hi I am familiar with Drupal
03:43 kevinD Just wondering about the instal with Koha
03:43 pianohack Okay
03:43 pianohack kevinD: What's your question?
03:44 pianohack From what I remember of installing Drupal, they are kind of different
03:44 kevinD How complicated is the install with kohl
03:44 kevinD I have installed Drupa a few times using MAMP
03:45 kevinD Do you have a similar setup with kohl ?
03:45 kevinD Kohl
03:45 kevinD Koha
03:46 kevinD Sorry iPad changes the words
03:46 kevinD Pianohack are you still here
03:47 pianohack Sorry, doing two things at once
03:47 pianohack Let me look up mamp
03:47 pianohack Ah, ok
03:47 kevinD That was local
03:47 pianohack Umm, installing Koha on Mac OS X is really painful, last I heard, if you're considering that
03:47 pianohack Various issues with getting everything installed correctly
03:48 kevinD I do work for a non profit, they have a quilt museum that needs a database for library
03:48 pianohack Okay
03:48 pianohack Are you familiar at all with Linux?
03:48 kevinD So I told them I would look into it before I gave them a answer
03:48 kevinD No really some UNIX
03:49 kevinD not fluent
03:49 pianohack Okay
03:49 pianohack Koha is easiest to install on either Debian or Ubuntu Linux
03:49 kevinD I have heard of Drupal installed on ubuntu
03:49 pianohack If you're not familiar with Linux, there's a few options
03:49 kevinD I am all ears
03:50 kevinD Eyes I guess
03:50 pianohack Download the Koha live CD and try it out; you burn it to a CD-R, then boot your computer from it. No commitment or installation
03:50 kevinD Ok
03:51 pianohack Or, use the virtual machine images; you download them, then run them within Mac OS X or whatever using VMWare Player or Virtualbox (both free)
03:51 pianohack[…]irtual-appliance/ for that
03:51 pianohack Or just install Ubuntu on a spare machien
03:51 pianohack *machine
03:51 pianohack Very easy these days
03:51 pianohack You can even install it side-by-side with Mac OS X with a little work
03:52 pianohack First one is the easiest, but you can't do anything very interesting with it
03:52 pianohack Second is slightly harder, but works well
03:52 pianohack Third is the hardest, but allows you the most room to work down the road
03:52 kevinD That sounds fantastic thanks so much for your help
03:52 pianohack If you like the way you get that machine with Ubuntu on it set up, you could even just take it to the nonprofit and let them run Koha off of it
03:53 pianohack kevinD: np
03:53 pianohack There's usually someone here on IRC if you have questions
03:53 kevinD Thanks
03:53 pianohack Mailing lists are also available; take longer, but more people
03:53 ibot okay, pianohack.
03:53 pianohack good luck
03:53 pianohack I think I just confused the bot
03:53 pianohack Mailing lists?
03:53 ibot Mailing lists are found at[…]ha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people
03:54 pianohack No, mailing lists are found at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
03:54 pianohack no, Mailing lists are found at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
03:54 pianohack Whatever, silly bot
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04:01 pianohack brendan_l left, hmm
04:01 pianohack brendan: around?
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04:14 wasabi Mailing lists?
04:14 ibot Mailing lists are found at[…]ha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people
04:14 wasabi Mailing lists are found at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
04:16 pianohack Mailing lists?
04:16 ibot Mailing lists are found at[…]ha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people
04:16 pianohack It's being pretty stubborn about it
04:17 pianohack Okay, there. You have to address the correction syntax directly to ibot
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04:35 wasabi Mailing lists?
04:35 ibot Mailing lists are found at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
04:35 wasabi ;)
04:35 wasabi ibot: ibot is silly
04:35 ibot ...but ibot is a clever being...
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04:46 pianohack wasabi: Hey, do you know if I should RESOLVED/WORKSFORME a rel_3_2 bug that I only know is fixed in HEAD?
04:55 wasabi put that in the bug's comments
04:56 wasabi … but its still a bug for 3_2, until its backported from HEAD back to 3_2 (i think?)
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06:28 pianohack wasabi, since you're the only person awake at 11:30 MST on a saturday; what do you think of a commandline syspref setting/getting/dumping tool?
06:28 pianohack Would be a fun airplane hack tomorrow
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06:30 kmkale hi all
06:30 pianohack Hallo
06:30 pianohack How might we help you this fine evening?
06:32 kmkale hi pianohack
06:39 pianohack Hi kmkale
06:39 chris pianohack: i think it would be great, then we could set up profiles
06:40 chris and have the installer use them
06:40 pianohack Okay
06:40 chris 'small public library'
06:40 pianohack YAML dumps marked with a minimum version tag sound good?
06:41 chris sounds good to me
06:41 chris also handy for support companies
06:41 chris to recreate a setup to test
06:41 pianohack Very much
06:42 kmkale hi chris
06:42 pianohack Of course, profiles for the admin/ settings in general would be handy
06:42 pianohack but one step at a time
06:42 chris yep
06:51 kmkale @weather Mumbai
06:51 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 28.0�C (11:40 AM IST on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
06:55 pianohack Weathertime! @weather Trinidad, CO
06:55 pianohack @weather Trinidad, CO
06:55 munin pianohack: The current temperature in Near Trinidad State Junior College, Trinidad, Colorado is -1.7�C (11:58 PM MST on December 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). High wind watch in effect from Sunday afternoon through Monday afternoon...
07:00 pianohack If the humidity is 78% in this desert wasteland, my name is Shirley
07:00 pianohack (don't call me surely)
07:00 pianohack though actually
07:00 pianohack kmkale: "Conditions: Smoke"? What's going on in your part of the world?
07:01 kmkale pianohack: its always smokey in Mumbai
07:01 kmkale too many people and vehicles :(
07:01 pianohack Ah, yeah, the Beijing effect
07:02 pianohack Sorry, that doesn't sound very pleasant
07:02 kmkale its  not as bad as it sounds
07:02 kmkale its a nice sunny clear day outside
07:02 pianohack Yeah, that would make it better
07:03 pianohack Cloudy days probably aren't fun, though
07:05 kmkale this is the best season of the year around here
07:06 kmkale in monsoon it rains way too much and in summer its very hot and humid
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08:19 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4286 Allow receiving if subscription enddate not set <[…]0417b965614f7be68> / Fix for Bug 5518 - Add to shelf icon doesn't appear in OPAC results page <[…]d1b1318b4bfe12d75> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4908' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.o
08:29 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5446' into kcmaster <[…]72dcbb96dd558b411> / Bug 5446 Fix a bug introduces by previous patch <[…]0db3187a8eb6c2a04>
08:29 hudsonbot Starting build 230 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 12 days ago)
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08:53 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #230: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/230/
08:53 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 5285, adding missing CSS
08:53 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Follow-up patch for Bug 4908, show patron's home library in OPAC
08:53 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5518 - Add to shelf icon doesn't appear in OPAC results page
08:53 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 4286 Allow receiving if subscription enddate not set
08:53 hudsonbot * Frédéric Demians: Bug 5446 Fix a bug introduces by previous patch
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09:09 cait hi #koha
09:12 chris hi cait
09:12 cait hi chris
09:12 cait you were pushing patches when I went to bed... and now you are still pushing patches ;)
09:12 chris heh
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09:22 * cait goes to check on her fudge
09:23 cait yummy - and it got harder, so there is a chance to cut it into pieces now :)
09:24 cait jransom++ for great fudge recipes
09:24 cait chris: what is the status of the template toolkit work?
09:27 chris would it be wrong to reply to david lang saying send a patch
09:28 chris cait: i think everything except the umlauts is fixed
09:28 cait chris: those crazy umluats
09:29 cait chris: so want me to test? or test something else?
09:29 cait looking for sunday projects :)
09:29 chris testing would be good
09:29 chris replying to david lang saying he could report his suggestions in bugzilla, and/or send patches
09:30 chris would be good too
09:30 chris or probably better, just ignore it
09:30 chris im pretty sure he only ever posts to annoy people
09:30 cait I opt for the second
09:31 cait I would add: don't install the sample data, if you don't want it ;)
09:31 chris yeah
09:31 chris and i have done installs on databases not named koha plenty of times
09:31 chris the installer never creates the db
09:31 cait ah right
09:31 chris you have to do it yourself
09:32 chris whatever name you call it
09:32 cait and give this to the installer
09:32 chris (unless you use the packages)
09:32 chris yeah
09:32 chris like the INSTALL files tell you
09:32 cait I think my coworker was thinking about using the ISIL as name
09:32 cait not sure he did for the new installations
09:35 cait ran into the language detection problem again
09:35 cait hmpf
09:36 cait I already updated the bug, will note in on the wiki page too
09:36 chris cool
09:37 cait it's an annoying bug
09:38 chris yup
09:44 cait fredericd++
09:44 cait [2] For sysprefs, quoted text wasn't properly retrieved from .po file and so
09:44 cait quoted strings wasn't translatable.
09:44 cait that was another very annoying bug
09:45 cait and the reason why I refused to translate my pref file yesterday - because I had already translated those things like a dozen times :)
09:45 chris :)
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10:47 ivanc hi #koha
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11:05 cait hi ivanc :)
11:05 ivanc hi cait :)
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11:07 magnus kia ora, #koha
11:08 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
11:08 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0�C (11:50 AM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
11:25 cait hi magnus
11:25 cait @wunder Konstanz
11:25 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.2�C (12:25 PM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Falling).
11:29 magnus hi cait
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13:21 nengard Anyone awake? Waiting for a plane .. trying to stay awake
13:37 * jcamins_a is now
13:37 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
13:38 cait me is
13:38 cait not really... but it's not the right time to sleep here
13:38 cait where are you flying to?
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13:46 jcamins So, how are things, cait?
13:46 cait lazy sunday
13:46 jcamins Uh-oh... my VM had a status of "Aborted." I hope I didn't break something.
13:47 cait have you seen my follow up to 5226=
13:47 cait ?
13:48 jcamins I had not.
13:48 jcamins It makes sense to me.
13:49 cait I forgot about it - stumbled on my bookmark earlier today
13:49 cait I tried jo's fudge recipe
13:49 jcamins How was it?
13:50 cait but I used too much condensed milk I think - it tastes very yummy, but is too soft and sticky to be cut into pieces
13:50 cait I added cranberries and walnuts instead of cashews
13:50 jcamins Actually, you probably just undercooked it.
13:50 cait and I think I got the soft ball stage right this time... perhaps
13:50 cait *sigh* I feared you would say something like that :)
13:50 jcamins Because that sounds like it didn't set.
13:51 cait hm
13:51 cait it's a soft brown
13:51 cait light brown
13:51 cait and the upper side is dry and ok, but on the bottom it's still a bit too sticky
13:51 cait sticks to my baking paper
13:51 cait I was able to form the ball in the cold water
13:52 cait perhaps I have to get a sugar thermometer
13:52 kmkale hi cait
13:52 cait hi kmkale
13:52 kmkale hi jcamins
13:52 kmkale aahh food talk :)
13:52 cait we are discussing food - you are right in time :)
13:53 kmkale aahh food talk :)
13:53 cait hehe
13:53 kmkale echo?
13:53 cait jcamins: do you have a tip get it into smaller pieces?
13:53 kmkale no worries I am home and munching away on fried stuff myself ;)
13:53 cait I was thinking about turning it around and try to let the other side dry a little
13:54 jcamins Hm. Yeah, I'd try that.
13:55 jcamins Also, did you try sticking it in the refrigerator?
13:59 cait no
13:59 cait but I can try that too :)
14:00 jcamins @later tell chris I signed off on the patch for bug 5520, but couldn't send it to koha-patches, so I attached it to the bug.
14:00 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:25 jcamins Wow!
14:25 jcamins Seamless mode is really cool!
14:27 kmkale whats seamless mode jcamins?
14:28 jcamins Instead of running in a window, the VM fills my entire screen, and there are no scrollbars.
14:28 kmkale virtualbox?
14:29 jcamins Right.
14:29 cait I love working without vm now on my older laptop with linu
14:29 cait x
14:29 cait so much more fun
14:30 cait it's great to do koha dev things :)
14:30 cait but I always had only the server edition of ubuntu installed - no desktop
14:31 cait switching computers - will be back in 5
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14:31 kmkale jcan does virtualbox support kvm?
14:31 kmkale sorry jcamins ^^
14:33 jcamins kmkale: you don't need a separate kvm switch.
14:33 jcamins It runs on the same computer.
14:34 kmkale jcamins: i meant the kernel virtualization
14:34 jcamins Oh.
14:34 jcamins Hm.
14:34 jcamins I don't think so.
14:34 jcamins VirtualBox virtualizes the entire system.
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14:35 cait1 hi again
14:35 cait1 my windows thinks it's 5 june 2005?
14:36 kmkale i use qemu-kvm
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14:44 jcamins kmkale: I switched to a Mac. ;)
14:44 kmkale cool
14:45 jcamins (so qemu-kvm isn't going to work for me)
14:45 kmkale I bought a dell N4010 4gb ram, core i3 370, 500gb hdd under usd700
14:45 jcamins Yeah, computers are ridiculously cheap.
14:45 kmkale setting it up right now
14:46 kmkale ubuntu 10.10 works like a charm on it
14:50 jcamins Hm. Cloning a 5GB hard drive image takes a while, apparently.
14:51 jcamins Thankfully not as long as people are reporting it will.
14:51 jcamins Oh, apparently I could have just used cp to clone it.
14:52 jcamins Hm. Maybe just five minutes.
14:57 kmkale ooo 3g rollout has finally started in India. Cant wait to get connected
15:03 * cait hands out small fudge quarters to everybody around
15:04 jcamins Mmm, thank you.
15:04 kmkale thanks cait
15:04 jcamins Not even vaguely Koha-related, but very cute:
15:06 * kmkale is a dog person
15:09 cait lol
15:24 jcamins Non-profits.
15:25 jcamins May the Koha deities defend us from non-profit administration.
15:49 cait hm, waht are the attributes of the koha deities?
15:49 cait a barcode scanner, a learning perl book and...
15:49 jcamins Hm.
15:50 jcamins An RMS miniature?
15:53 cait hehe
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18:51 cait re
19:06 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:06 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0�C (8:00 PM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.52 in 1000 hPa (Falling).
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19:29 richard hi
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19:33 chris morning
19:33 jwagner good [select your time of day]
19:34 richard hi chris and jwagner
19:34 cait hi chris jawagner and richard
19:36 druthb hi, chris, jwagner, and richard, and cait. :D
19:36 cait hi druthb :)
19:36 chris jcamins_a: thanks for the signoff, will push that now, as its a no harm change
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19:37 jcamins chris: thanks.
19:37 * druthb notes that the Ashes is at 1-each.
19:38 chris yeah england collapsed bad
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19:42 chris hi Brooke and hdl
19:43 Brooke Tēnā koutou
19:43 hdl hi all
19:43 druthb hi, Brooke. :)
19:43 * Brooke winks at druthb
19:43 * druthb winks back.
19:44 cait hi Brooke
19:44 Brooke howdy
19:44 ibot hi, Brooke
19:45 * Brooke feels the love.
19:45 druthb ibot:  Brooke?
19:45 ibot Brooke is certainly gonna go
19:45 Brooke ibot: be ruth
19:45 ibot Brooke: i'm not following you...
19:45 Brooke ibot: be druthb
19:45 ibot Harrumph!
19:45 druthb hehehehehe
19:46 druthb ibot: be cait
19:46 ibot druthb: what?
19:47 chris hdl: i think a meeting on persistance would be good
19:47 hdl hi.
19:47 chris i have been running circ under plack for 3 weeks now, and it hasnt exploded yet
19:48 hdl nice.
19:48 chris but there are places where we need to change code, (any place we use memoize without a timeout etc)
19:49 hdl Is it in production for one of your sites ? or is it just testing.
19:49 hdl ?
19:49 chris its on a very low usage prodcution site
19:49 hdl yes... and we would need to place flush_cache wherever parameters are edited.
19:49 chris hoping to move it to higher usage one when we fix the data persistance problems
19:49 chris yep
19:49 chris exactly
19:50 hdl have you tried the remove_items branch ? I think that then Plack would not be needed for that one ? How were is your circ performing  using Plack ?
19:51 chris its not much faster
19:51 chris because yes, its the parsing xml that is slow
19:51 hdl (mmm no, it would be needed for circulation parameters.)
19:51 chris but it is much more scalable
19:51 chris ie, it doesnt slow down
19:52 chris whereas if you put apache under load, you can break it
19:52 chris plack + caching = faster
19:52 chris (in code caching)
19:52 chris but we dont do a lot of that, because without persistance there is no point
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19:53 chris but once we are running in a persistant way, we can do smarter things
19:53 hdl I think so...
19:53 chris (and not just cache the db query, cache the processed result)
19:57 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5506 Improve translation script <[…]23ebe8081e4d3ee19>
19:58 hdl when should we schedule the meeting ?
19:58 chris i think will have to wait til after xmas?
19:59 chris maybe in between christmas and new year?
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20:03 hdl chris.... I would not be there.
20:03 hdl (I am supposed to be on holiday.
20:03 hdl )
20:04 hdl (But maybe we could arrange some meeting though.... It really IS important)
20:04 chris ahh, after new years then?
20:04 cait I think most people will be away
20:05 cait but a lot of people might be interested - better give them a chance to participate
20:05 Brooke this is why I had a pickle of a time coming up with the wiki, blank as it was.
20:06 chris chris_n: you recommend a revert for 5373 ?
20:07 hdl cait: a lot of people may be interested but they also will be able to read the logs....
20:07 cait hdl: I think after new year should be ok - a discussion can only take place if there are people to discuss things
20:07 jcamins hdl: but reading the logs is not the same as participating.
20:08 Brooke aye, it would also give you time to relax, cher.
20:08 hdl anyway, such a meeting would have to be prepared, with some testing instance of code... And some work being prepared...
20:08 hdl So after new year would be great.
20:10 hdl but the longer we take to organize, the shorter time will be to get things done.
20:10 Brooke aye.
20:10 * Brooke thinks January will be quite a busy meeting month.
20:11 hdl tic tac tic tac
20:11 Brooke The doormouse is asleep again.
20:17 chris cait: you around for a litte bit longer?
20:17 cait yes
20:17 chris could you please do some screenshots of the umlaut problem you had with TT ?
20:17 cait you can easily reproduce it I think  by setting up a database with german sample date - but of course will do
20:18 cait I am on the other laptop right now, will do after the film is over - that ok?
20:18 cait I found some ohter things - there is a problem with patron search
20:19 cait looks like the translation problems changed a , into comma
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20:24 jcamins ibot: jo's food blog?
20:24 ibot jcamins: i don't know
20:25 * Brooke gasps at ibot's recalcitrance.
20:25 jcamins Brooke: cait: any idea?
20:25 Brooke
20:25 cait huh?
20:25 jcamins Thanks!
20:26 jcamins Jo's food blog is at
20:26 jcamins cait: never mind.
20:26 * Brooke is just this side of safe from being replaced by a chat bot a bit longer/
20:26 cait sorry, tatort
20:27 cait
20:28 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #60: STILL UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/60/
20:28 hudsonbot Frédéric Demians: Bug 5506 Improve translation script
20:28 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #231: STILL UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/231/
20:28 hudsonbot Frédéric Demians: Bug 5506 Improve translation script
20:40 cait ok, film over
20:40 cait chris?
20:40 ibot rumour has it chris is awesome
20:40 cait ibot botsnack fudge
20:40 ibot :)
20:41 chris ah ok, yep after the film is fine
20:42 cait after the film is now ;)
20:42 cait any special wished? and have you checked the updates on the wiki pages?
20:43 chris chris just asked for screenshots of the umlaut problem .. oh if you could send us some marc records with umlauts that would be handy too
20:43 chris ill ask him to hop on here
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20:43 chris there he is ;)
20:43 chris chrisdoth meet cait, who has been testing your work ;)
20:43 * cait waves to chrisdoth
20:44 * Brooke wave to chris.
20:44 chrisdoth hello cait and chris :)
20:44 * chrisdoth waves back to everyone :)
20:44 cait chris told me to make screenshots of the umlaut problem, but I think it should be easily reproducable too
20:45 chris if you could send us some marc records with the umlauts in them, then we can load them in to test
20:45 cait what I did right now was create a new library with code TEST and name äüäßÄÖÜ
20:45 chris ahh easy
20:45 cait chris: it's not the umlauts
20:45 cait ah not the records
20:45 cait did not really test that yet
20:45 cait the problems I reported is all data from the database
20:45 chris ahh i thought it was the records
20:45 chris (cos they are in the db too)
20:46 cait there is one problem spotted in the records too - but did not really test that yet
20:46 cait right :)
20:46 cait let me create a record next
20:46 cait the library name is broken after saving
20:46 Brooke[…]01219154838&SID=1
20:46 Brooke which is amusingly busted
20:46 * Brooke titters.
20:46 cait in display on the front page and when you open it for edit
20:47 cait Brooke: the umlauts there are broken too - but that's because of the normalization
20:47 cait the dots should be over the letters, not beside
20:47 Brooke but they aren't on the search screen
20:47 chris Brooke: has that got anything to do with the template toolkit stuff?
20:47 Brooke so I suspect it is a matter of display
20:48 * chris suspects not
20:48 cait Brooke: it's the normalization - trust me :)
20:48 Brooke I will trust you then.
20:48 cait they make u + dots in utf-8 - that is vlaid, but the browsers have problems
20:48 chris right .. back to the template toolkit work
20:48 chris so saving a branch name, ends up with the branch name messed up
20:48 Brooke just looked fine from
20:48 Brooke[…]hist=1&type=quick
20:48 cait that's why we do some things to our data before loading into koha - making it a one character ü
20:49 cait chris: right
20:49 chris and you are about to test a record?
20:49 cait and that happens in a lot of places I tested
20:49 cait yep, can do that now
20:49 cait but the display is broken in a lot of places
20:49 cait you can test that with itemtype too and other things, it's always the same
20:50 cait my new record button does not work
20:50 chris right, so we just need to check if its records too
20:50 hdl good day nz and good night europa
20:50 chris cait: can you load one in?
20:50 chris or just edit an existing one?
20:50 cait yeah, but have to find one with real umlauts first
20:51 cait not so easy
20:51 cait or manipulate a loaded one... but add the button to the list
20:51 chris yup
20:51 chris cool, that should give us some stuff too look at :)
20:51 chris i suspect fixing the branchname .. will fix it everywhere
20:52 cait yep, that's what I think too
20:52 cait[…]emplate_toolkit&s[]=toolkit - I updated and added some new things
20:53 chris cool chrisdoth can now reproduce it, thanks heaps cait
20:53 cait no problem
20:53 chris and its perfectly fine in master .. so its stored ok in the db
20:53 chris just displayed wrong
20:53 cait yep
20:56 cait hm I see some problems in cataloging
20:56 cait the forms are broken a little too
20:56 chris yup, that's expected
20:57 chris can you note it down though please
20:57 cait funny, the record looks quite good
20:57 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Add .packages file for Ubuntu 10.10 <[…]62b0c06699caa766e>
20:57 chris :)
20:58 * Brooke mutters at the renaming of things.
20:59 cait chris: ok, from all tabs in details only normal is borken
20:59 cait broken
20:59 chris oh interesting
20:59 cait with xslt display on
20:59 hudsonbot Starting build 232 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 13 days ago)
20:59 cait always speaking about staff at the moment
21:00 chris yup
21:00 cait it's ok without xslt
21:00 chris k
21:00 chris and is it umlaut problem again or a different one?
21:01 cait talking about umlauts now
21:01 chris k
21:01 cait reported some other problems on the wiki
21:01 chris ta
21:01 cait no worries :)
21:02 cait not complaining - i think it works great. we only need to fix some gliches
21:02 chris no worries, we know you arent complaining, testing only works if people report the bugs :)
21:03 cait good :)
21:03 cait and tell it the other chris too - his work is great :)
21:04 cait chrisdoth++
21:04 chrisdoth cait: thank you very much :)
21:04 cait ah, still listening :)
21:04 * Brooke points out that Koha has a cadre of Chrises.
21:05 chrisdoth cait: im still here, just trying to track down one of the bugs you mentioned :p
21:05 chris man i love git
21:05 cait git++
21:06 chris[…]4f11bb969213c315b
21:06 chris too easy
21:06 chris git + branches = pull things out if they fail testing easily
21:06 cait :)
21:06 cait ok, will change the chat to the computer where koha is
21:07 cait will be back shortly
21:07 chris cool
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21:07 cait back
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21:22 * cait puts a plate with more fudge in the middle of koha
21:22 cait #koha
21:23 jcamins Mmmm!
21:23 jcamins I wanted to make fudge, but I don't think I can, since I don't have much sugar.
21:23 Brooke nomnomnomnomnom
21:23 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #232: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/232/
21:23 hudsonbot Jesse Weaver: Add .packages file for Ubuntu 10.10
21:23 Brooke hooray :D
21:24 cait yeah, you really need a lot of sugar
21:24 cait chris: have to run a marathon now...
21:24 Brooke not as much as I need an Ubuntu package.
21:24 jcamins So I think I might make these[…]77-234202,00.html
21:24 Brooke meh.
21:24 hudsonbot Starting build 233 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 13 days ago)
21:24 Brooke not nearly as sexy as fudge.
21:25 jcamins No, but requires far less sugar.
21:25 Brooke peanut butter + oatmeal = sacriledge.
21:25 jcamins Too healthy?
21:26 Brooke no, it's sitting on the fence.
21:26 Brooke I mean, you either want slutty (chocolate + peanut butter)
21:26 Brooke or healthy (oatmeal + raisin)
21:26 Brooke that thar is the conservadem of cookies.
21:27 jcamins Yeah, that's true. But I don't have chocolate, either. Just cocoa powder.
21:27 jcamins And I already made brownies.
21:27 Brooke clearly you need a care package.
21:27 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3262 - OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch on detail page <[…]6566b0079000078a8>
21:47 magnus_a good night #koha
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21:47 cait night magnus
21:47 cait sleep well
21:47 cait ah, too slow...
21:47 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5283' into kcmaster <[…]f4fca2b0502bcd9cc> / Bug 5283 Follow up, fixing broken template syntax <[…]9c66663e1af52d174>
21:48 Brooke you and me both, Cait.
21:48 cait yeah, too slow in 2 windows
21:48 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #233: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/233/
21:48 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Revert "Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5373' into kcmaster"
21:49 cait this fudge is trying to lure me to the fridge..
21:49 * cait tries to ignore it
21:49 hudsonbot Starting build 234 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 13 days ago)
21:50 * druthb is being lured to cait's fridge by the fudge.
21:51 cait hehe
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21:55 * jwagner goes off to salvage the rest of my weekend
21:55 jwagner Bye all.
21:55 druthb see ya, Jane.
21:55 Brooke see ya
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22:11 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #234: STILL UNSTABLE in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/234/
22:11 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3262 - OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch on detail page
22:11 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5283 Follow up, fixing broken template syntax
22:29 * chris waits for indexes to rebuild
22:30 * Brooke plays sticks with Chris while he waits.
22:31 cait sticks?
22:31 Brooke have a picture.
22:31 Brooke http://maorilifestyles.blogspo[…]-stick-games.html
22:32 chrisdoth I remember playing that in primary school...
22:33 cait thx Brooke
22:34 Brooke :)
22:34 robin yeah, I remember that too. Was no good at it though :)
22:35 chris Heh robin and I reply at the same time
22:35 robin yeah, I was going to call 'snap' :)
22:37 cait ok, bed time :)
22:37 Brooke night
22:38 cait don't break koha while I am sleeping ;)
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22:47 Brooke I'm off to get some master broth from the Chinese place and mebbe some happy Chicken, Broccoli & Garlic sauce.
22:47 Brooke should do in the last of this cobe.
22:47 robin mm food.
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22:48 robin Almost lunch time here
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