IRC log for #koha, 2010-09-17

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00:00 chris whoa
00:00 chris heres the storm
00:00 robin lightening and thunder and bears, oh my!
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00:07 druthb hi.
00:08 chris heya druthb ;)
00:09 chris wellington is busy being thundered on
00:10 chris hopefully the weather is better hwere you are
00:10 druthb it rained a little bit here earlier, too...might storm some tonight, but nothing bad.
00:17 jo warm, blue skys and light breeze in Horowhenua
00:17 jo get that in paradise I spose ...
00:18 chris heh
00:20 jo anyone know how to download and save a you tube video to show offline?
00:21 druthb RealPlayer SP can do that; there are other alternatives, but I have RealPlayer on my PC anyway, so I use that.
00:25 jo oh cool - i'll go look thanks.
00:25 chris yeah there are a few linux ones that will do it
00:25 jo I get tears in my eyes whenever i view this:[…]e=player_embedded
00:25 chris if you get stuck
00:26 chris i can grab it for you
00:26 jo i just know the tech will fail if i rely on a live link
00:26 jo ye splease
00:26 jo chris: yes please
00:26 jo that link above
00:26 chris k, will check the license and do that if it allows
00:27 jo thanks
00:27 chris (gotta walk the walk if you are gonna talk the talk :))
00:27 jo yep
00:27 jo that link ok?
00:27 chris yup
00:29 druthb awesome video!
00:29 chris gah i hate it when places dont put licensing information in an easy to find place
00:29 * chris will email them
00:29 jo thanks Chris
00:30 jo druthb: i know ... and while its aimed at USA so relevant for western world in general
00:30 jo and that generation is one to be reckoned with - and one that librarians have to be relevant to
00:31 chris emailed them to ask
00:32 jo thanks ... i need it for tomorrow though ..
00:32 chris ahh, i may not have an answer by then
00:33 jo probably not. I may have to run with a live link
00:36 chris
00:37 chris you can download from here if you login
00:37 * chris signs up
00:38 chris yup its downloading now
00:38 chris so you could sign up too
00:38 chris im going for lunch now
00:38 chris but its downloading
00:39 jo oh cool :)
00:39 jo i'll leave it to you if you don't mind
00:39 jo i'll keep frantically writing
00:39 jo and making stuff up
00:39 chris k, ill email it
00:47 brendan_l heh there is a UCSB shirt in that youtube video
00:47 brendan_l I live at UCSB family housing
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01:21 chris_n time to hit the hay
01:21 chris_n g'night #koha
01:21 jo goodnight
01:21 jo oh and here comes Wellington's storm
01:22 robin jo: it already appears to have passed by here. A bit anticlimatic really :)
01:55 jo yeah - well it got awfullt black and cabbage trees in carpark on a hellaver lean but yeah - it didn't come to much
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02:03 chris working late wizzyrea_ ?
02:03 wizzyrea_ no sir this is purely recreation :)
02:03 chris :)
02:04 wizzyrea_ NEKLS has a retreat every year called NEST, and it's basically a bunch of librarians taking over a bed and breakfast
02:04 chris oh yeah?
02:04 wizzyrea_ that's where I am
02:04 wizzyrea_ yea
02:04 chris oh cool
02:05 wizzyrea_ half the time I was on my new phone today. :D
02:05 chris i noticed!
02:05 chris :)
02:05 chris larsw bought a nexus one
02:06 wizzyrea_ ooooh
02:06 chris robin has one, i have a milestone, read has some android one, alan has a nexus one
02:06 chris its all android all the time in #koha
02:06 wizzyrea_ I have a galaxy :)
02:07 robin I think someone here has one of them too
02:07 wizzyrea_ well, an att captivate, if you want to get technical
02:07 robin I should have a look at it
02:07 chris whats darling's one?
02:07 robin an LG something-or-other
02:07 wizzyrea_[…]&q_sku=sku4760319
02:07 wizzyrea_ is what I have
02:07 chris and what the hell is tim building???!??
02:08 robin I don't know. I really don't.
02:08 * chris gets distracted by rl
02:08 wizzyrea_ 11
02:08 wizzyrea_ !!
02:09 chris oh yeah, ive heard good things about the galaxy
02:09 wizzyrea_ I lurve mine
02:09 wizzyrea_ I've had it... a week and the only thing I'm really missing is netflix
02:09 robin wizzyrea_: what Android version?
02:10 wizzyrea_ 2.1 I think
02:10 wizzyrea_ I think it *can* do 2.2
02:10 wizzyrea_ but att are silly heads
02:10 robin ah, if you like it now, you'll really like 2.2
02:10 wizzyrea_ I'm hyped for the galaxy ta
02:11 wizzyrea_ tab
02:11 wizzyrea_ if it's half as good as the phone version it'll be a great competitor for the ipad
02:12 wizzyrea_ overall I think it's better than my iphone. and i loved my iphone.
02:13 wizzyrea_ though I got really confused the first time it rang... I coulnd't figure out how to answer it
02:13 wizzyrea_ hehe
02:13 chris i still dont know
02:13 chris if they really want to talk, they'll email
02:14 chris :)
02:14 wizzyrea_ hahahaha
02:14 wizzyrea_ you use yours like I use mine, it's your mobile pocket communicator thingie
02:14 wizzyrea_ not so much a phone
02:14 chris yeah, i very rarely make or get calls on it
02:18 wizzyrea_ ooh
02:18 wizzyrea_[…]shable+(Mashable)
02:18 chris cool
02:25 darling robin, lg gt540
02:25 chris oh crap
02:25 darling ?
02:25 chris i still havent tested your app darling
02:25 darling heh
02:25 darling it works
02:25 chris lemme do my timesheet and ill have a look
02:26 darling i still need to embed the markup for koha pages
02:26 chris i have a bunch of library cards here
02:36 jo ooohhh
02:36 jo huge thunder
02:36 jo and lightening and torrential rain
02:37 jo and hail!
02:38 chris oh we never got the hail
02:38 chris oh i have a plan
02:38 jo by crikey - its all on
02:38 robin <jo>  warm, blue skys and light breeze in Horowhenua
02:38 robin <jo> get that in paradise I spose ...
02:38 robin ;)
02:38 chris to fulfil it will need an HLT library card
02:38 jo lol
02:38 robin It looks nice outside here now
02:38 jo I'll amend that to "tropical paradise"
02:38 robin haha
02:43 chris darling: it does work :)
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03:15 Amit heya chris
03:18 chris heya Amit
03:42 robin chris: a flagpole with a pirate flag to attach to it is your answer.
03:43 chris ?
03:43 robin to what Tim is building
03:48 chris ahhh
03:48 chris for sunday
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06:49 ivanc hi #koha
06:50 hdl hi ivanc
06:50 ivanc hi hdl
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06:58 kf morning #koha .)
07:00 ivanc guten morger kf
07:00 kf h ivanc
07:00 kf how did your presentation go?
07:02 ivanc kf good
07:02 ivanc the first step is done
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07:13 kf ok, working on my next presentation now
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07:46 Ata hi all
07:46 Ata is there some meeting in progress?
07:48 Amit hi ATA
07:49 Ata hit Amit
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10:30 mib_vr22g Can anyone direct me at a how-to for git with Koha? I am unsure how it works exactly and have a few questiosn, e.g. Can you use git to just update individual files or must you update the whole system etc..
10:39 Braedon basic info[…]ol_for_the_public
10:39 Braedon other sections of that page have more detailed info
10:41 mib_vr22g Thanks.....I will have a gander
10:41 Braedon generally a bad idea to merge in single files
10:41 Braedon what specifically are you wanting to do that for?
10:43 mib_vr22g There is some added features, specifically the SQL reports that I would like to add without upgrading......bad idea?
10:43 Braedon yeah, can easily cause problems
10:44 Braedon if you can isolate the commits that put in the features, you could potentially cherry pick them
10:44 Braedon better than trying to do files individually, but still very risky
10:45 Braedon[…]-cherry-pick.html
10:48 mib_vr22g ummm, OK.....I'll give it a good read before I go ahead with it......
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10:49 Braedon using git, you can of course always revert any changes you make, but you will definitely need careful testing before putting it into production
10:50 Braedon some else here or on the mailing list more knowledgeable about the specifics of the report system than I may be able to help you with what commits you will need, and what issues you could get
10:56 mib_vr22g Thanks....I'll ask again later and maybe post to the mailing list
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12:55 owen The evening excitement around here:[…]1&ArticleID=32272
12:55 druthb mornin'.
12:56 druthb looks like an exciting night, owen
12:59 owen No power at my house 'til Sunday, they're saying. Power out at three libraries.
13:00 druthb Good to see there weren't more injuries.
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13:04 jcamins Good morning.
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13:06 jcamins owen: scary!
13:06 owen Very unusual for this area
13:11 * owen reads the backlog for PTFS gossip
13:21 jcamins Does anyone else ever feel staggered and overwhelmed when they try and document what they do?
13:21 owen jcamins: You mean like your job description?
13:22 jcamins Or documentation for in case you are hit by a bus.
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13:23 jcamins I find myself more and more feeling like I _have_ been hit by a bus. ;)
13:23 jcamins Good morning, sekjal.
13:24 sekjal morning, jcamins.  sorry to hear about the bus
13:24 jcamins Heh. I'm documenting my job.
13:25 jcamins It turns out I do a whole lot more than I had ever taken the time to think about.
13:25 kf jcamisn: yep
13:25 kf jcamins: I try to write down all the things I kow about koha for my coworkers.
13:26 owen jcamins: What I worry about is the crappy spaghetti code I'll leave behind if I get hit by a bus (or a tornado, as seems more likely now)
13:26 kf things like how to configure fines and notices, what to do when... what if...
13:28 jcamins On the one hand, it's gratifying that I know so much. On the other hand, aaaaaahhhh!!!! ;)
13:29 owen Job security!
13:29 jcamins owen: perhaps we should update the traditional advice from "always wear a clean pair of underwear" to "always wear a clean pair of underwear and provide a test case"?
13:29 owen And an index card with all the passwords.
13:30 jcamins I think I used the same password for everything work-related.
13:30 sekjal found a similar bug to 5222: apparently, the 630$p isn't displaying in with XSLT on
13:31 jcamins We also don't display field 351.
13:32 jcamins And our display of the notes used by MARC-AMC leaves something to be desired.
13:32 sekjal we should really make the XSLT's user-editable through the GUI, so every library can adjust to their hearts desire
13:32 * owen imagines a system which would let admins check off which fields they want and have Koha write a custom XSL file
13:32 jcamins Yes!
13:32 jcamins sekjal++
13:32 sekjal what about using the MARC frameworks?
13:32 jcamins owen++ ++
13:32 jcamins I think they'd need an overhaul, first.
13:33 sekjal a nicer editor, surely
13:33 owen Even better, have Koha use a different XSL file based on itemtype/ccode
13:33 jcamins Indicators can significantly change the meaning of a field.
13:33 jcamins (and there's no way to specify them in a framework)
13:33 sekjal right
13:34 sekjal I remember bumping up against them when doing MeSH at my previous institution
13:34 sekjal we wanted to treat MeSH and LCSH differently, but the only difference was the second indicator
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13:57 * druthb waves to wizzyrea_
13:57 wizzyrea_ heya ppls
13:57 jcamins Hello!
13:57 * wizzyrea_ waves at druthb
14:01 jcamins wizzyrea_: still on your mobile communications device?
14:01 wizzyrea_ not at the moment
14:01 wizzyrea_ (hehe that you called it that, you must have read the backlog)
14:01 jcamins Every morning. :)
14:08 owen wizzyrea_: We got some down-home Kansas weather last night:[…]1&ArticleID=32272
14:08 wizzyrea_ whoa!
14:09 wizzyrea_ oh that's familiar, trailers all on their tops
14:09 owen They're tornado magnets
14:10 jcamins Familiar? Yikes! Maybe Huffnpuff isn't enough to convince me to move to Kansas after all. ;)
14:10 wizzyrea_ wow, is your family/house/property ok?
14:10 wizzyrea_ in that order?
14:10 wizzyrea_ you know what
14:10 wizzyrea_ hurricanes are huge
14:10 owen All we had was heavy rain and no power (til Sunday they say).
14:10 wizzyrea_ tornadoes are small
14:10 wizzyrea_ :P
14:11 wizzyrea_ my point being, it's pretty unlikely, even in kansas, that you'll actually get hit by a tornado
14:11 wizzyrea_ scares, sure.
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14:19 owen Hi mparker
14:23 owen jwagner: I see you posted some comments on Bug 2560. Do you know if anything more happened with it?
14:23 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2560 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Advanced search on Language (from pulldown) does not work
14:23 mparker Good Morning (still collection information before i ask my question)
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14:24 kf owen++ for looking at old bugs
14:26 * chris_n doesn't like the mile-wide tornadoes of the mid-western sort
14:28 owen I wish Bugzilla offered search term highlighting on its bug search results.
14:28 jwagner owen, sorry, was working on something.  No, I don't know if anyone else has looked at 2560.
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14:30 * owen bumps the bug up to 3_4
14:32 jcamins What does KSF mean?
14:32 sekjal Koha Software Foundation, I assume
14:33 jcamins Oh.
14:33 jcamins Right.
14:33 jcamins Silly question, sorry.
14:33 owen A hypothetical entity
14:33 jcamins Right.
14:36 CGI086 please, I need help. I'm cataloging in Koha 3.06, How I validate a field? , for example when I complete the Marc tag 082, how to see the index of call numbers for not to wright te same?
14:38 jcamins CGI086: so far as I know, you cannot.
14:40 owen Sounds like a good use of a "plugin," as they're called in the case of the MARC editor. But I don't think one exists yet
14:40 jcamins You can search in your catalog for the call number you want to assign.
14:46 CGI086 Ok, thanks. Another question, if I delete a bibliographic record, after,  it is posible to re-use that system number?
14:47 sekjal CGI086: if you delete it from the staff client, no, that system number is preserved in the deletedbiblios table
14:49 kf has someone experience with the marc export tool?
14:49 kf I got an empty file when I tried to export some records by accession date
14:50 owen kf: I've used that option with success recently in our production system, but it's a little behind HEAD
14:50 * owen will test
14:51 jcamins kf: we had a lot of trouble with exporting. Probably operator error, but I don't think we ever managed to actually persuade any subset of our records to export.
14:51 kf thx owen, I tried start and date tody, and from yesterday to tomorrow
14:52 owen Yeah kf, it's working for me in my up-to-date test install
14:52 kf owen: my records are freshly cataloged, but I can search for them. I added a footnote too and searched for that now, added to card, send card - marc files. but still wondering about the export
14:52 kf thx, will test at home again, this installation is not up to date, a little bit behind
14:53 kf card = cart... time to leave fort eh weekend
14:55 kf but wanted to take my test records with me - now I can :)
14:55 kf bye all!
14:55 chris_n bye kf
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14:56 CGI086 I'm again, thanks all. Another question. Wuen
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15:00 owen Language search limiting is working fine for me. Looks to me like Bug 2560 can be marked fixed.
15:01 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2560 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Advanced search on Language (from pulldown) does not work
15:01 * owen wonders why there is no language limit option in the staff client advanced search
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15:03 jwagner owen, I see a language entry in the staff adv search pulldown
15:03 owen jwagner: But not a dedicated language menu like the other subtype limits
15:03 owen jwagner: Were you testing Bug 2560 with the pulldown Language option that is there?
15:04 jwagner Yes
15:04 owen Ah, so that's why I'm not seeing the problem.
15:04 jwagner The pulldown sends ln,wrdl: as the index which wasn't working.
15:05 owen Is there a reason to use that method rather than the dedicated language chooser (in the opac at least) ?
15:06 jwagner Not sure -- can't remember which site reported this & if that option was available then.
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15:06 jwagner Rereading my entry in the bug report, it looks like the separate language search was working fine -- it was the pulldown that wasn't.
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15:07 owen Oh right, sorry I didn't see that
15:07 jwagner And if you turned off QueryWeightFields, then the pulldown worked.
15:10 owen Okay, still broken then. Thanks for the clarification.
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15:12 owen Oh, and the language limiter only shows up in the staff client with "extended options"
15:12 * owen is chasing red herrings all over the place
15:13 * jwagner sends owen a herring net
15:13 owen They say we should eat more herring.
15:13 jwagner lutefisk?
15:15 owen Okay, I just can't seem to let this go
15:16 owen I tried it doing a search using the "Language:" option at the top, searched for "spa", and got the exact same results as when using the dedicated language chooser
15:17 owen And in the OPAC I don't even see the option of choosing "language" from the dropdown at the top
15:20 jwagner Yes, one of our sites has recently asked us about adding Language to the OPAC pulldowns
15:20 owen jwagner: I'd be curious why they don't use the dedicated language chooser. Are the languages they want to search not there? Do they not know it exists?
15:21 jwagner It seems to be working now in current head -- something must have gotten fixed along the way
15:22 jwagner owen, it's one of several changes they're asking about.  Need to clarify what they actually want....
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15:26 * owen discovers that the language search option we're talking about was removed from the OPAC in 2009 in favor of the dedicated language-picker
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15:28 jcamins Um, why would a different set of options show up on the advanced search screen on one computer than on another?
15:30 owen Ghosts.
15:31 druthb Pixies.
15:31 jcamins Wait, maybe I was looking at the staff interface on the other computer.
15:34 sekjal fun new bug:  if you have more than 20 public lists, the ones in excess of that won't display the List's name properly
15:34 sekjal or, rather, at all
15:35 nengard sekjal - don't think it's new :) that sounds familiar
15:35 nengard off to find the bug report
15:35 sekjal thanks, nengard; I was just about to start a search, myself
15:35 nengard well i'm sure you're fresher than me - what a travel nightmare :( but I am finally home
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15:36 sekjal yay for being home!
15:37 owen sekjal: The limit is hard-coded. There is a bug report somewhere.
15:37 sekjal I'll find it at patch it.  looks like a straightforward enough fix
15:37 owen In fact there was some discussion fairly recently, but I can't remember if it was on IRC or in the bug or what
15:37 nengard bug 3523 sounds related
15:37 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3523 normal, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW, Menu of existing lists limited to 10
15:38 owen Yeah, is that what you're seeing sekjal, or something different?
15:40 sekjal something different
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15:40 sekjal when viewing a List, in either the OPAC or the staff client, for some Lists, the title is absent
15:40 sekjal title of the list, that is
15:40 cait hi #koha
15:41 sekjal In the OPAC, you see Lists ---> <em>List Name</em> normally
15:42 sekjal but if this is the 21st or greater Public List, the List Name is missing
15:42 sekjal (21st or greater when sorted by shelfnumber ascending)
15:58 jcamins Yay! I successfully added "Auction date" to the staff search.
15:58 sekjal wehoo!
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16:02 owen What a strange bug sekjal
16:02 * owen had only added sixteen lists to test bug 3523 :P
16:02 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3523 normal, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW, Menu of existing lists limited to 10
16:02 sekjal filed bug 5232 for it
16:02 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5232 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Shelfname does not display on high numbered lists
16:04 * jcamins feels suddenly dyslexic, looking at 5232 and 3523
16:06 sekjal okay, got a preliminary patch, now testing
16:10 sekjal looks good
16:30 jcamins Okay, this is really weird.
16:30 jcamins Our logs are wrong.
16:31 sekjal jcamins: how so?
16:31 jcamins The biblios that they report were modified weren't, and the ones that were modified aren't reported.
16:33 sekjal very odd
16:33 jcamins The Info column shows the correct modifications, though.
16:33 sekjal is there the correct number of modifications, can you tell?
16:34 jcamins I think so.
16:34 jcamins I'm not entirely certain, though.
16:34 jcamins I will try modifying things, and see if I can reproduce the problem.
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16:40 jcamins The right number of log entries, but I have no idea what it's doing.
16:40 sekjal any chance the biblionumber is being confused with the itemnumber?
16:40 jcamins Yep.
16:40 jcamins That's it.
16:40 sekjal should be an easy fix, then
16:41 jcamins When we edit an item, it claims that we edited a biblio and shows just the 952.
16:41 jcamins And, of course, the biblionumber it suggests is completely bizarre.
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16:42 jcamins Modifying biblios seems to show up properly.
16:42 jcamins As does adding items.
16:43 jcamins Deleting a biblio results in a broken link, which is kind of silly, but understandable.
16:44 sekjal hmmm
16:45 jcamins I'll create an item and delete it to see what happens.
16:46 jcamins It shows up properly in the log, but the link doesn't go to the record it was deleted from.
16:46 jcamins Which is surely a bug.
16:47 sekjal sounds like
16:48 jcamins Instead it goes to a valid-looking page showing an item with no fields filled in, but when you try to go to a view of the biblio, you get an error.
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17:29 owen hdl, are you available for a question?
17:29 hdl yes ?
17:30 owen Bug 4048 had been marked as "patch sent" at one point. Is that something Biblibre has in a development branch?
17:30 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, NEW, js libs must be outside of translated paths
17:30 owen And are your branches available to view on the web? doesn't work anymore
17:31 hdl we had a some trouble lately.
17:31 hdl should come back next week
17:34 hdl It seems strange that nahuel marked that as patch sent if he sent no patches for that.
17:34 hdl marking it as open is sound to me
17:34 owen hdl: Okay, I was going to try doing some work on it, and I didn't want to duplicate someone else's efforts
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19:18 owen My pending patches are combining together to form a hyper-intelligent cyber-being intent on destroying all humans.
19:19 jcamins owen: that doesn't sound good.
19:19 owen Oh, speaking of which: sekjal you were looking for that usetablesforcirc patch again?
19:20 wizzyrea_ owen: omg, koha is becoming sentient?
19:21 owen It sounds good, but I think really it would stop answering questions and go bum around Europe for a while.
19:21 wizzyrea_ :)
19:21 sekjal owen: I was able to get it
19:21 wizzyrea_ *sniff* it's growing up, isn't it
19:23 chris wiki updaed
19:24 chris with foundation/association stuff
19:24 owen chris++
19:24 chris i knew we had talked about al this before :)
19:24 wizzyrea_ chris++
19:24 owen Sounded vaguely familiar, eh?
19:24 wizzyrea_ heh
19:24 chris yeah, i remember a vote, and everything
19:25 jcamins chris++
19:25 wizzyrea_ we had these long meetings...
19:25 jcamins The "Forming a Koha Foundation" page has a really long list of 1s in the middle.
19:26 chris and ppl agreed to transfer assets to HLT, and everyone did
19:26 owen And you were there, and you were there, and you were there! It all seemed so real...
19:26 jcamins Is anyone working on that page, or shall I remove them?
19:26 chris well everyone except one company
19:26 chris go for it jcamins
19:26 wizzyrea_ owen really did almost get sucked up in a tornado last night
19:26 chris i did realise what annoyed me most
19:26 wizzyrea_ what's that
19:27 chris it was the complete disregard for the past
19:27 chris in the initial mail, and then in those who responded saying, yeah forget the past
19:27 chris and i know why
19:27 chris its what racists say about the treaty of waitangi here in nz too
19:28 chris it probably jarred lenora the same way
19:28 chris took me a while to figure out what it was i actually objected to
19:28 jcamins I can't figure out how to fix it.
19:28 wizzyrea_ I think it's fine that we remember what they did, it's not like they can un-do
19:28 wizzyrea_ they can only try to be better.
19:29 chris not even that
19:29 chris more that we hadnt even considered
19:29 chris and agreed on a course of action
19:29 wizzyrea_ oh, yea, and now they're like HEY, consider US
19:29 chris yeah
19:29 wizzyrea_ erm...
19:29 wizzyrea_ well...
19:29 chris ;)
19:29 chris jcamins: ill take a look
19:30 chris wiki syntax is a black art
19:30 owen What bugs me is "We have decided that we shall form a foundation and please let us know if you want in on that."
19:30 jcamins chris: Thanks.
19:31 owen And then we're supposed to fall over ourselves with gratitude.
19:31 wizzyrea_ let me tell you what I am grateful for:
19:32 wizzyrea_ I am grateful that at the very least we're talking about it again.
19:32 wizzyrea_ because I think that's good.
19:32 wizzyrea_ and I am grateful that there will be many smart people considering the options
19:33 owen Very true. It's possible that this will actually lead to an agreement that everyone is happy with.
19:33 owen I *still* think there are conditions that we don't know about yet
19:33 wizzyrea_ I think you're probably right about that
19:35 chris hows that now jcamins
19:35 jcamins Much better, thanks!
19:36 chris cool
19:36 chris so now, we just wait for the ptfs proposal
19:36 chris and we can whack it into the matrix along with all the rest
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19:38 jcamins Hopefully they'll post it soon. :)
19:43 sekjal have a great weekend, #koha!
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20:01 chris_n chris++ #for getting things off to a start on the wiki
20:01 wizzyrea_ and jcamins!
20:01 wizzyrea_ jcamins++
20:01 jcamins Just pointing out that I can't offer my opinion if I don't know what everyone's talking about. :)
20:02 chris :)
20:02 * chris_n seems to remember being here once before
20:03 jcamins I actually wasn't, so I'm not ignoring the past. ;)
20:03 * chris_n tries to shake himself awake... only to find he already is awake
20:04 chris put it on the wiki
20:04 chris is my new
20:04 chris "send a patch":
20:06 chris_n ahh... jim provides more wiki fodder
20:06 chris yeah i replied saying put it on the wiki
20:06 chris_n that's probably the most informative post I've seen in this entire thread(s)
20:06 wizzyrea_ he actually does have quite a bit of very recent experience with forming a 501c3 foundation, as he just spearheaded creating the NEKLS foundation :)
20:07 chris_n its very nice to have that sort of experience/expertise on board imho
20:07 chris yup
20:07 chris_n I'd like to see similar information from other countries as well
20:08 chris there is a bit about nz already
20:08 chris[…]ation#New_Zealand
20:08 chris jims stuff should go under
20:08 wizzyrea_ < personally would probably rather see it in another country, on principle
20:09 chris[…]ion#United_States
20:09 chris *nod*
20:09 jcamins Having just established a regular, for-profit LLC, I have to say that I think Jim is undervaluing his understanding of forming non-profits.
20:10 * jcamins would agree with wizzyrea
20:10 * chris_n is a fan of HTL
20:10 chris the more i think about tit
20:10 chris it
20:10 chris lol
20:10 wizzyrea_ lol
20:10 wizzyrea_ best typo ever.
20:11 chris the more i think about it, the more i like SPI, or just leaving it with HLT
20:11 chris since they both already exist
20:11 * owen finds that this discussion always makes him want to defer to someone smarter
20:12 wizzyrea_ this and the licensing discussion
20:12 chris im all about SEP
20:12 schuster Yep I agree with owen and wizzyrea
20:12 * chris_n keeps waiting for thd-away to fire his guns
20:12 chris id like to just write some code
20:13 * brendan finds he's leaning more and more towards SPI or something similar
20:13 chris HLT exist, covered by super strong laws and auditors and are outside us legal jurisdiction
20:13 chris which is 3 wins in my book
20:13 owen "neener-neener-neener"
20:13 chris :)
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20:14 jcamins What's SEP?
20:14 owen Given past history I would be surprised if PTFS was willing to go agree to HLT
20:14 chris Someone Elses Problem
20:14 jcamins Ah.
20:15 chris yeah, for that i lean to SPI
20:15 chris as a compromise position
20:17 owen chris I thought you had said Software Freedom Conservancy
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20:18 chris yeah i change my mind daily
20:18 * owen doesn't know what SPI is
20:18 chris spi seems a little more democratic
20:18 chris_n heh
20:18 chris
20:18 * owen liked the SFC member list at least
20:18 chris they look after stuff for debian
20:19 * chris_n heads for home
20:19 chris and drupal and openoffice etc
20:19 chris
20:19 chris oh and postgres
20:20 owen I guess using Drupal for their site was a conflict of interest, hence Plone :)
20:20 wizzyrea_ that's like getting in the deep end of the pool. I like it
20:20 chris chris_n:[…]g-and-short-term/
20:25 owen I'm off. Have a great weekend everyone
20:25 wizzyrea_ bye owen
20:26 wizzyrea_ have a great weekend
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21:49 CGI244 Hey everyone, I'm having trouble with the OPAC giving "No results match your search" for every search query while the staff client has no problem. I have googled this problem and tried everything I found (hiding lost items is not enabled, and neither is suppression) but to no avail. I'm running a fresh install of Koha "Harley". Any suggestions for what to try or check next?
21:50 wizzyrea_[…]on/faq/searching/
21:51 wizzyrea_ though you're not really running koha. the harley is a proprietary fork of koha
21:51 wizzyrea_ it's easy to be confused
21:52 CGI244 Ok...I've tried all of those suggestions...
22:03 CGI244 Any thing else I can check?
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22:31 wizzyrea_ sorry, the harley people will have to help you with that and they're not around. :(
22:31 CGI244 Gotcha, thanks!
22:48 wizzyrea_ oof
23:25 brendan later all - have a great weekend :)
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