IRC log for #koha, 2009-08-20

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00:38 brendan heya owen -- still at work?
00:38 owen No, just popping in for the heck of it
00:38 brendan guess that is good
00:38 brendan how's all the little ones
00:39 owen All sleeping quietly :)
00:39 brendan :)
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01:21 baseballfreak47 hello will koha work with yellow dog linux?
01:21 chris that a definite maybe
01:21 chris i havent tried, so don't know for sure
01:22 baseballfreak47 okay thanks
01:22 baseballfreak47 if not do you know of any versions of linux that will work on a power mac g4?
01:24 chris hmmmm maybe debian has a powerpc port lemme look
01:25 chris
01:25 chris
01:26 chris
01:26 chris so there are a few to choose from
01:29 baseballfreak47 oka thanks (sorry about the delay i went to go get a snack WERE OUT OF BAGELS!!!!
01:30 chris hehe
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01:53 chris mmm bagels
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02:46 pianohacker GOod night
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03:21 Amit hi chris, brendan
03:21 Amit good morning #koha
03:22 brendan hey amit
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07:05 slef is 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable
07:05 slef same
07:05 slef anyone here about to kick it?
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07:13 chris lol
07:13 chris you are joking arent you?
07:13 chris its back now for me
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07:30 slef back now for me.  The <title> tag on the homepage is poor, though ;-)
07:30 slef joking about which?
07:33 chris there being anyone on the channel who could poke it :)
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07:47 Amit_Gupta hi kf
07:52 kf hi Amit, chris slef
07:57 slef hi kf
07:58 slef ok, I think life doesn't fit into time available today :-/
07:59 Amit_Gupta hi slef ;)
08:02 nahuel hi community !
08:03 Amit_Gupta hi nahuel
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08:36 kf chris: can you add me as translator for German in 3.2?
08:38 chris i thought i did already
08:39 chris oh on the about page?
08:41 chris ill send a patch tomorrow
09:03 kf thx chris!
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09:49 chris
10:12 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai
10:12 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0�C (3:10 PM IST on August 20, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
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10:19 kf @wunder Konstanz
10:19 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 27.0�C (12:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
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10:25 WillemVdV Hi, I'm starting to get used to some Koha stuff - now able to import after using MarcEdit. Can anyone tell me whether it's possible to import DELETE requests?
10:42 kf chris: just saw your patch - thx again1
10:44 kf hi Willem, I dont think it's possible, but perhaps one of the developers has an idea how to do or implement this
10:44 gmcharlt WillemVdV: i.e., load bib records with a Leader/05 = 'd' to signal that they should be removed from the database - no, not currently possible, but wouldn't be hard to add, either
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11:48 WillemVdV Thanx kf and gmcharlt, will continue to remove records manually.
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12:03 chris_n g'morning
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12:07 Ropuch morning
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12:12 chris_n chris about?
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12:47 * chris_n greets owen
12:47 * owen is digging chris's IRC stats
12:49 jdavidb Couple of good conversations, owen, and you'll catch up to hdl.  :)
12:49 owen It's going to take a while for anyone to catch up with kados, but his title is defenseless
12:50 jdavidb Heh.   yeah, the "Last seen"...I hadn't realized it'd been that long.
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13:16 WillemVdV e.g. book or journal logo). Explanation will be appreciated.
13:18 Ropuch um.. the first part of your message is missing
13:19 WillemVdV Can someone explain the field 008 to me? The manual says it should have 14 bytes, but in my koha lists they're a lot longer, eg. =008  891013c19769999sa\fx\\\\\\\\0\\\\0eng\d and they seem to influence how the biblio appears in search results, e.g. journal or book logo. Help please.
13:19 Ropuch I'm sure there was something before: " book"
13:21 owen WillemVdV: Are you working with 008 in the MARC editor?
13:25 WillemVdV I don't know about, but yes, I use the MARC editor. I've found that a journal only produces the journal logo in the search result if I changed the 008 field to the one copied above, but I'd like to understand the various bits and pieces. I also have single articles to display and they shouldn't come up with the book or the journal logo.
13:26 owen If you're editing a record in Koha, look for a small link to the right of the 008 entry field, "..."
13:27 owen Click that and it will pop up an entry form with all the elements labeled
13:28 owen[…]b.jpg/image_large
13:28 owen That shows an example for 000, but it's the same idea.
13:31 WillemVdV Great - that explains it all. Thanks a lot.
13:44 jdavidb owen, I've got a puzzler here, and you're Teh Jquery Gawd.
13:44 jdavidb Got a sec?
13:44 owen You bet. No pressure.
13:45 jdavidb I've got two instances of koha running, with same has slightly-older data, but not by much.  But on the *newer* one, the sort buttons on opac-user disappear for the checked out and overdue tables...
13:45 jdavidb The same user, on the older data, works fine.
13:46 owen Is javascript otherwise running properly on the page? Cart button working, etc.?
13:46 jdavidb It seems like something in the table is causing the tablesorter to disappear, maybe.
13:46 jdavidb yep, cart button seems to be functional.
13:48 jdavidb I've diffed the entire opac-tmpl/prog/en tree between the two, as well as kohaclone/opac, just to check, and there are no diffs.
13:49 owen Sorry, no idea what's going on!
13:49 jdavidb Hrm.  Thanks, though.
13:49 owen The data in the tables is different? Different checkouts in each example?
13:50 owen I wonder if it's possible for something in the data itself to make the tablesorter choke?
13:50 jdavidb Checkouts are the same, although many are overdue in the older data.  Now, on the older data, she has a hold outstanding, but on the newer, she doesn't...could that be?...  (testing)
13:51 jdavidb yes!  if the user has no holds, the tablesorters break for Checkout and Overdue.
13:52 jdavidb This page has a *lot* of tinkering for this site...I betcha there's something squirrely in the <tr> </tr> structure for the holds table.
13:53 owen Yeah, bad markup would definitely cause problems
13:53 owen A trip to the validator should have been one of our first steps
13:53 jdavidb I suppose, then, that the tablesorter expects a nice clean, properly-marked-up table....that's what I need to check on, then.
13:54 owen Valid markup, and both a <thead> and a <tbody>
13:54 jdavidb Okay!   See, you were more help than you thought you'd be.  :)
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14:07 ccurry Can someone direct me to documentation for importing serials holdings? The individual bibliographic records for the serials imported, but the records don't show subscription information; I assume Koha uses a different 9xx field than our old ILS. I can't find documentation for this and found only 1 (unanswered) list post about this issue.
14:08 owen ccurry: I suspect such documentation doesn't exist
14:08 owen It must be a fairly obscure operation for you to get no response.
14:08 kf I dont think you cant import serials holdings atm - you can import items in 952 and perhaps put your subscription info in local fields in the title
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14:09 kf ccurry: we dont have subscription info but I still have to find out where to put the holdings of the library without adding items and without adding a subscription in serials
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14:10 kf information like 2003 - current without issues 2003.5 etc.
14:14 ccurry kf: thanks.  We do have this summary information in the MARC records in a note; I was hoping there was some automated way to populate the serials's kind of surprising that there isn't.  Some large libraries that have implemented Koha (with thousands of serials) must have wanted to do this...
14:19 owen Serials management is still an underdeveloped feature, IMO.
14:20 hdl kf: if you are running UNIMARC you have subfields of a biblio for that
14:23 ccurry owen & kf: Thanks for the insight.  We're pretty set on, if my users insist on being able to import periodicals info, maybe we'll commission Liblime to develop something.
14:23 owen ccurry: The rest of the world would be grateful if you could insist to Liblime that such development was shared with the Koha community.
14:24 ccurry owen: of course. wouldn't have it any other way.
14:24 owen I have to say it because some *would* have it another way.  :(
14:35 wizzyrea_ yea, some would. Bleh.
14:35 jdavidb Hi, wizzyrea_!
14:35 wizzyrea_ (FWIW, we insist that our code goes to the project, and we're willing to pay for integration, inclusion)
14:36 wizzyrea_ (because apparently that's an issue? no idea.)
14:36 owen The notion that one would have to pay specifically for integration is absurd.
14:36 owen it is to any vendor's advantage to integrate their code into the main branch. it save them the trouble of maintaining differing branches.
14:38 jdavidb It is absurd, owen.  Now, we've got one customer that wants a feature that I *really hope* that gmcharlt rejects.  It's a bad, bad idea, but that's what they wanted, so we've done it.  And we'll have to maintain it.  But we *will* throw it over the wall for everyone else to scream about, too.
14:39 wizzyrea_ yea, it's silly, but apparently it costs a lot to integrate it? Lots of extra time? Idk, in my mind you'd just charge for those hours as part of your quote (transparently or not)
14:39 wizzyrea_ "it costs X and we'll put it in the project"
14:40 gmcharlt jdavidb: yeah, if it's the feature (aka security hole) you're thinking of, jwagner and I had already talked about submitting it but leaving it to languish in contrib-land
14:40 jdavidb wizzy:  No, it doesn't.  It's not like you're writing that feature on a clean page.  you're writing on top of HEAD, if you've got any sense at all.  Whole new modules?  Maybe.  Adding features in the current framework?  No.
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14:40 jdavidb gmcharlt:  That's the one.
14:40 wizzyrea_ jdavidb are you going to say in the patch notes "this is a bad idea, but here it is" lol
14:40 owen If you're coding the feature, you're coding it to work with Koha, right? Unless you're coding it using lots of site-specific, hard-coded stuff. Does the issue arise because some new development isn't written to be generic?
14:41 wizzyrea_ I don't have that information.
14:41 jdavidb wizzy:  I'm thinking we'll put it out there straight, and see how many people scream in horror.
14:41 wizzyrea_ (but signs point to yes)
14:42 jdavidb We aren't charging extra for integration--we're writing with the patch in mind from line 1.
14:42 wizzyrea_ yea, you just calculate that time in from the start, without really thinking about it
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14:43 wizzyrea_ (fwiw, I'm not saying it's right, just what they tell me)
14:45 wizzyrea_ heh, but the people who would benefit from our conversations on the topic aren't here to hear them, and probably don't care.
14:46 jdavidb Such hubris was and is bad for the big closed-source vendors, as SirsiDynix is rapidly discovering.
14:47 jdavidb ...who's to say that it's not dangerous for a smaller vendor, too?
14:48 kf hdl: running marc21
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14:59 hdl kf :
14:59 hdl (16:56:09) gsf: @marc 310
14:59 hdl (16:56:09) zoia: gsf: The current stated publication frequency of either an item or an update to an item. Dates are included when the beginning date of the current frequency is not the same as the beginning date of publication. These data are related to coded data in field 008/18 (Frequency) and 008/19 (Regularity). [a,b,6,8]
14:59 hdl (16:57:21) gsf: hdl: is that what you meant?
14:59 hdl (16:58:34) jtgorman: hdl: there's also the 863/853 fields...
14:59 hdl (16:59:09) jtgorman: hdl: oh, and 866
14:59 hdl from #code4lib
15:07 kf hdl: is 310 not the publication pattern of the serial itself? What I need is a field to put the information which issues are available in the library
15:08 kf hdl: we have this information in holdings data - but as I cant import holdings to koha that way I thought about using a local 9xx field in title
15:08 kf ah
15:09 kf thx hdl, I will look at these fields
15:12 jwagner hdl, since you're online, a question for you.  Bug 3203 shows as assigned to you.  Is that something you're actively working on, or is it a bugzilla automatic assignment?
15:12 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3203 normal, P5, ---,, NEW, Some Letters template variables are not available to certain notice types
15:14 hdl looks like automatic assignment
15:14 hdl Is this something urgent for you ?
15:15 hdl Do you want the hat ?
15:16 gmcharlt jwagner: one thing to keep in mind - a bug isn't truly assigned unless its status is 'assigned'
15:16 jwagner One of my people has asked about it.  I haven't investigated yet, don't know if it's something I can do.  But I didn't want to spend the time looking at it if you were already active.
15:17 jwagner I'll take a look & see if I can do it.  If so, I'll assign it to myself.  Thanks.
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15:37 pianohacker Good morning
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15:37 rhcl_away morning
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15:39 joetho itsabeautifuldayintheneighborhood
15:39 pianohacker mr_rogers++
15:39 chris_n hey pianohacker
15:39 chris_n and rhcl
15:39 pianohacker Hi, chris_n
15:39 chris_n and mr_rogers
15:39 pianohacker Hi, joetho, rhcl
15:40 pianohacker Hehe
15:40 chris_n err... joetho
15:40 * chris_n is bored stiff writing tests for the new labels code :'(
15:40 pianohacker Ah, testcases
15:41 pianohacker Almost as bad as documentation
15:41 chris_n unfortunately that's next on the list
15:42 pianohacker Ehhh
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16:14 owen tests++
16:14 owen chris_n++ for writing them
16:16 gmcharlt tests++
16:16 gmcharlt chris_n++
16:16 gmcharlt documentation++
16:16 owen FUD-- >:(
16:17 chris guten morgen
16:19 chris_n hi chris
16:21 owen chris, surely it's only technically morning for you?
16:22 chris well its still the night
16:24 kf guten morgen chris
16:24 kf @wunder konstanz
16:24 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 33.0�C (6:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
16:33 pianohacker @wunder wellington, nz
16:33 munin pianohacker: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 5.0�C (4:00 AM NZST on August 21, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
16:34 chris yeah i really should go back to sleep
16:34 chris but my brain hurts now
16:37 * chris_n offers chris some homemade salsa and chips to sooth his sore brain
16:40 joetho cheer up, Owen
16:41 joetho cheer up, Owen
16:41 * pianohacker looks at joetho strangely
16:42 joetho joetho leers at pianohacker
16:44 * chris_n hates running out of chips before running out of salsa >:-(
16:44 pianohacker chris_n: related:
16:45 chris_n hehe
16:56 jdavidb xkcd++
16:56 pianohacker Indeed!
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18:25 |Lupin| hello there !
18:25 pianohacker Hi
18:26 jdavidb Hi. |Lupin|. :)
18:27 gmcharlt hi |Lupin|
18:28 |Lupin| hello galen, pianohacker & jdavidb
18:28 |Lupin| hope you are all well ?
18:28 pianohacker Yes, though busy
18:28 gmcharlt ditto
18:29 jdavidb Me three.  :)
18:34 |Lupin| :)
18:35 |Lupin| that's one of our main problems, I'd day
18:35 |Lupin| s/d/s/
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19:33 * chris_n dances a jig on his desk
19:34 chris_n my catalogers heartily approve of the work flow in the new labels code
19:34 chris_n happy catalogers++
19:35 pianohacker Cool
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19:40 |Lupin| I'm wondering
19:40 |Lupin| when is the next general project meeting ?
19:40 chris ahh there was an email
19:40 chris lemme find it
19:41 gmcharlt 2 September -[…]etingnotes09sep02
19:41 chris beat me
19:41 |Lupin| I'm in no-mail mode since I'm supposed to be on vacations
19:42 |Lupin| gmcharlt: chis: thanks a lot !
19:42 |Lupin| I hope I can attend this one !
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19:45 |Lupin| gmcharlt: are you gonna be the moderator for this one ?
19:45 gmcharlt |Lupin|: yes
19:46 |Lupin| gmcharlt: I find this a very good news, thanks for doing it
19:46 |Lupin| gmcharlt: how re things going with your new job ? you have done the change, haven't you ?
19:47 gmcharlt |Lupin|: I have indeed.  Things are going well, though I'm very very busy
19:48 chris atz++
19:48 |Lupin| gmcharlt: I can imagine, especially if you are as involved in the new project than you are in koha, and I imagine you are even more involved
19:48 chris answering list emails
19:49 |Lupin| chris: ok, thanks for the clarificaiton :)
19:53 chris ok time to catch my bus
19:53 chris cyers in 40 mins or so, if ppl are still around
19:54 gmcharlt quick, time for everybody to switch nicks around before chris comes back!
19:54 chris_n heh
19:55 * chris_n promises to keep up with POD the next time he does a big re-write... :-(
20:00 |Lupin| :-)
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20:00 |Lupin| ok everybody, was nice to chat wth you a bit. time to go to bed now. bye ! till soon !
20:00 pananohacker BYe
20:00 |Lupin| full time come back next monday
20:01 |Lupin| pie: bye :)
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20:17 hdl chris ?
20:17 gmcharlt hdl: on bus still, most likely
20:18 * hdl wrote tests for Budgets
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20:20 hdl but I  have some issues with selenium and yahoo buttons
20:21 pianohacker What's the problem?
20:25 hdl when recording a selenium scenario and then playing it it doesnot work.
20:27 hdl Try to record creation of a new record based on the second or third framework. and it fails to select this
20:27 hdl can't find a way to do it
20:31 joetho atz
20:33 chris_n I've had all the POD and test fun I can stand for one day...
20:34 * chris_n heads out for a break... ttyl
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20:35 richard hiyas
20:35 pianohacker Hello
20:36 richard hi pianohacker
20:38 chris back
20:38 chris hdl: you still about?
20:39 hdl yes
20:39 hdl have you had success with Selenium and Yahoo/ggl like buttons.
20:39 hdl Is there a way to make selection work ?
20:40 chris hmm, i dont know actually, the I will ask the QA people when they get into work
20:42 chris i will email you their answer
20:54 hdl it is for instance when you select some framework on creation of a biblio,
20:54 hdl same for members
20:54 hdl same for all the buttons where you have +
20:55 hdl It is rather confusing.
20:55 hdl Thanks chris
20:55 hdl I have pushed some updates on reconciliation
20:56 hdl chris: In order to automatize web-based tests you wrote or used some external tools can you remind me which it was ?
20:59 hdl time to go to bed.
20:59 hdl Thanks
21:00 hdl[…]/ils/case-studies
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21:19 chris ahh www::mechanize
21:19 chris but now ive missed him
21:19 pianohacker chris: @ later tell ?
21:19 chris good thinking batman
21:20 pianohacker Heh
21:20 chris @later tell hdl i used www::mechanize
21:20 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
21:20 pianohacker Off to library, bbl
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21:44 rhcl he haw, we just received a 15k technology grant
21:45 chris awesome :-)
21:46 rhcl yea, first time I've requested money from this program for mostly replacement equipment like monitors and UPSs and surge protectors.
21:46 chris all good things
21:47 rhcl one bigger ticket item was a replacement Bluesocket wireless controller.
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23:35 pianohacker back
23:35 chris wb
23:36 pianohacker Switching to VPN, you might experience temporary interruptions of pianohacker
23:36 chris heh
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