| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 15:37 |
|
owen |
acmoore and anyone: Please file a bug report for any javascript errors you encounter. I fix any I find, so if you find one it's one I don't know about. |
| 15:38 |
|
acmoore |
owen: thanks, it was actually my problem. I had bogus info in my intranetuserjs syspref. I removed it and everything seems OK. |
| 15:38 |
|
acmoore |
but, I'll file any I run across. Thanks! |
| 15:39 |
|
owen |
I got worried when I read chris saying "its known" that many pages have errors. |
| 15:39 |
|
owen |
addLoadEvent sounds like a very old something from dev_week |
| 15:57 |
|
atz_ |
owen: it really was just some bogus stuff in intranetuserjs that got seeded into sysprefs |
| 15:57 |
|
atz_ |
i end up cleaning it from most of our clients setups |
| 16:01 |
|
acmoore |
I removed it from my set up ages ago, but I rebuild my development database from a "known good copy" occasionally. Apparently, it's "known bad" now. |
| 21:40 |
|
acmoore_ |
If I turn on 'warnings' in C4::Biblio, I get a ton of "subroutine redefined" warnings. Is that because of circular dependencies between the C4 modules? |
| 21:40 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 21:40 |
|
acmoore_ |
lovely. |
| 21:41 |
|
chris |
it actually isnt that 'hard' to fix, but it will be time consuming :( |
| 21:42 |
|
acmoore |
was that for koha? |
| 21:42 |
|
chris |
nope, another project |
| 21:43 |
|
chris |
i think with koha tons of things have use C4::Biblio |
| 21:43 |
|
chris |
including probably most all of the things that C4::Biblio uses :) |
| 21:47 |
|
acmoore |
I count 14 C4:/*.pm modules that use it. I'd like to be able to remove the single one that is causing the problem, but I have a feeling that this is the type of problem that grows larger and more painful the longer you look into it. |
| 21:49 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 21:50 |
|
chris |
there will most likely be a function that it needs in there, so you cant just remove the use |
| 21:53 |
|
acmoore |
it seems like something like C4::Koha or something could 'use' all of these modules, and then they wouldn't have to use each other. But, then, they wouldn't really be independently usable. |
| 21:53 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 21:54 |
|
chris |
and if C4::Koha used C4::Biblio |
| 21:54 |
|
chris |
and C4::Biblio used C4::Koha .. back where we started ;) |
| 21:54 |
|
acmoore |
I didn't figure that the second part was necessary. |
| 21:55 |
|
chris |
more likely |
| 21:55 |
|
chris |
C4::Koha uses C4::Biblio |
| 21:55 |
|
chris |
C4::Biblio uses C4::Item |
| 21:55 |
|
chris |
C4::Item uses C4::Koha (to make use of something else) |
| 21:56 |
|
acmoore |
yeah, I figured that with the change, none of them would use C4::Koha either. |
| 21:57 |
|
chris |
my guess would be that C4::Biblio would need to use C4::Koha to get to some functions it needs |
| 21:57 |
|
chris |
but that C4::Koha would need to use C4::Biblio to provide functions to things like C4::Search |
| 21:57 |
|
acmoore |
that was the "not independently usable" part. |
| 21:57 |
|
chris |
if that makes sense |
| 21:58 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 21:58 |
|
chris |
whiteboard ans some time is what you need |
| 21:58 |
|
chris |
draw out the dependencies, and get rid of the circular ones |
| 21:58 |
|
acmoore |
I can't think of anything that would need to use C4::Biblio (or any other module) and not need to use C4::Koha. |
| 21:59 |
|
chris |
no thats fine |
| 21:59 |
|
chris |
as long as C4::Biblio doesnt use C4::Koha |
| 21:59 |
|
acmoore |
yeah. |
| 21:59 |
|
acmoore |
but, I don't think I'm about to make this change, at least now. |
| 21:59 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 22:02 |
|
ryan |
anyone know offhand where UPC is stored in MARC21 ? |
| 22:03 |
|
chris |
i dont even know what UPC is :) |
| 22:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
ryan: closed is EAN in 024 |
| 22:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
closest, even |
| 22:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris: do you know what an EAN is? ;) |
| 22:04 |
|
chris |
only in the context of barcodes |
| 22:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
well, that's what it is |
| 22:04 |
|
chris |
ah right |
| 22:06 |
|
ryan |
ah, 024 with ind1=1 |
| 22:07 |
|
acmoore |
holy cow. I commented out 3 arbitrary 'use' statements from C4::Biblio and it doesn't complain aboutredefined subs or undefined subs and it appears to work. I wonder if I stumbled upon a reasonable soliution. |
| 22:07 |
|
ryan |
i see danny's recent patch looks at ind1 = '3' to mean ean , but loc says that means 'International Article Number ' |
| 22:08 |
|
ryan |
is ean == ian ? |
| 22:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
acmoore: we should be so lucky - hope that survives detailed testing |
| 22:08 |
|
chris |
only if Europe is the new world ryan :) |
| 22:09 |
|
ryan |
looks like yes , according to oclc... 3 International Article Number (EAN) |
| 22:10 |
|
gmcharlt |
ryan: yes, 024.3 = EAN |
| 22:12 |
|
ryan |
gmcharlt: thx for confirmation |
| 22:13 |
|
chris |
awesome Europe now = International .. that makes life easier :) |
| 22:13 |
|
ryan |
chris: i thought america was the new world "/ |
| 22:13 |
|
chris |
seems you have been replaced :) |
| 22:15 |
|
chris |
ryan: are you over in the new offices? |
| 22:17 |
|
ryan |
chris: no, actually movers are coming to the athens office tomorrow to load up. |
| 22:17 |
|
chris |
ahh cool |
| 22:17 |
|
chris |
am i right in remembering easton is the area that has the huge shopping mall thing? |
| 22:21 |
|
ryan |
yep -- they call it a 'town centre', basically a mallified little town. |
| 22:21 |
|
ryan |
or a townified big mall? |
| 22:21 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 22:23 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris: an example of the beast: http://www.townoftioga.com/ |
| 22:24 |
|
chris |
ahhh |
| 22:25 |
|
chris |
or even http://eastontowncenter.com/ |
| 22:26 |
|
chris |
looking very festive |
| 22:26 |
|
kados |
http://liblime.com/about/locations |
| 22:26 |
|
kados |
there's a snapshot of the new office |
| 22:26 |
|
chris |
you guys certainly dont do half measures when it comes to holidays ;-) |
| 22:26 |
|
kados |
those three windows are our new board room |
| 22:27 |
|
kados |
and the upstairs area window on the slanted roof is gonna be Sara's room IIRC |
| 22:27 |
|
chris |
ohh cool looking building |
| 22:27 |
|
kados |
though we're still divvying stuff out |
| 22:27 |
|
ryan |
yeah, this developer builds similar malls all round the country, with the same core retailers. |
| 22:28 |
|
chris |
close to home, far from ordinary :) |
| 22:28 |
|
chris |
you sure as hell arent going to be short of places to eat |
| 22:28 |
|
chris |
http://eastontowncenter.com/Dining.aspx |
| 22:28 |
|
kados |
yea, it's like downtown Wellington :-) |
| 22:29 |
|
kados |
well, probably less Indian resturaunts though ... /me recalls some good eateries in NZ |
| 22:29 |
|
chris |
more mexican though |
| 22:29 |
|
chris |
it balances out :) |
| 22:29 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 22:30 |
|
kados |
wow, that easton website's fancy |
| 22:30 |
|
chris |
sure is |
| 22:30 |
|
chris |
the search is pretty nice |
| 22:31 |
|
chris |
http://eastontowncenter.com/te[…]=4016TownsfairWay |
| 22:31 |
|
chris |
found you guys :) |
| 22:32 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 22:33 |
|
kados |
we lucked out on the space, we happen to be the first space in that building near that entrance |
| 22:33 |
|
chris |
sweet |
| 22:33 |
|
kados |
but it's a much larger building with lots of retail downstairs and office spaces upstairs |
| 22:35 |
|
chris |
spotya later |
| 22:45 |
|
Jo |
Hi there |
| 22:46 |
|
Jo |
Can anyone tell me whether Koha 3.0 can be used for a consortia of libraries, or only Evergreen |
| 22:47 |
|
chris |
no |
| 22:47 |
|
chris |
not only evergreen i mean |
| 22:47 |
|
chris |
its in use in a lot of consortia already |
| 22:48 |
|
chris |
http://www.nekls.org/ <-- one |
| 22:48 |
|
chris |
http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/ thats their koha |
| 22:48 |
|
chris |
there is ckls, masscat, and tons more |
| 22:48 |
|
chris |
the liblime guys will be able to give you a bunch more examples |
| 22:49 |
|
chris |
http://liblime.com/demos |
| 22:49 |
|
chris |
some urls at the bottom there |
| 22:49 |
|
chris |
masscat is pretty huge |
| 22:50 |
|
chris |
like more libraries than there are in the whole of nz huge |
| 23:01 |
|
Jo |
thats great - thanks Chris. |
| 23:02 |
|
Jo |
(wanders off to lunch ..) |
| 23:06 |
|
liz-nekls |
yea about catalog.nexpresslibrary.org... it's apparently broken? |
| 23:07 |
|
chris |
yikes so it is |
| 23:07 |
|
chris |
it was working when i pasted that url in tho |
| 23:07 |
|
chris |
so its broken in the last 18 mins |
| 23:07 |
|
liz-nekls |
yea, bizarre |
| 23:08 |
|
chris |
looks like mysql has locked up |
| 23:08 |
|
liz-nekls |
i'm hoping one of those magic folks at liblime will see this message, they're hosting it |
| 23:08 |
|
chris |
atz,gmcharlt,ryan,acmoore |
| 23:08 |
|
chris |
my client beeps when someone says my name, so that might make theirs beep :) |
| 23:09 |
|
liz-nekls |
haha |
| 23:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris, liz-nekls: cfouts is looking into it |
| 23:11 |
|
chris |
sweet |
| 23:11 |
|
liz-nekls |
tyvm |
| 23:11 |
|
chris |
the one name i missed typing :) |
| 23:11 |
|
liz-nekls |
thx vhris :) |
| 23:12 |
|
liz-nekls |
chris* |
| 23:12 |
|
gmcharlt |
[ and for the record, my IRC client makes a gentle pop, it does not beep ;) ] |
| 23:12 |
|
liz-nekls |
hehe |
| 23:12 |
|
chris |
gmcharlt: id be interested what the error was, i havent seen that one before |
| 23:12 |
|
Sharon |
it appears to be back up. Thank you. |
| 23:12 |
|
liz-nekls |
woot ty cfouts |
| 23:13 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris: quoth cfouts, he hasn't seen it before either |
| 23:13 |
|
Sharon |
if it matters for troubleshooting - TEST and PROD went down, but LOAD stayed up during this outage |
| 23:15 |
|
liz-nekls |
maybe something to do with too many connections to the database half of the server (this may be a nub suggestion, I don't know how you have the infrastructure set up) |
| 23:25 |
|
liz-nekls |
that was awesome, only 7 minutes down :) |
| 23:28 |
|
cfouts |
it apparently was a result of accumulated connection errors. |
| 23:28 |
|
cfouts |
mysql 5.0 counts the remote host connection errors it sees. once that count reaches a certain threshold (10 by default) is stops accepting connections from that host. |
| 23:29 |
|
liz-nekls |
hmm |
| 23:30 |
|
cfouts |
if your servers are handling hundreds of connections per second and the db runs for months at a stretch, there's a good likelihood of reaching that threshold, even with solid 1GB ethernet connecting them. |
| 23:30 |
|
liz-nekls |
hehehehe very true |
| 23:31 |
|
liz-nekls |
i was going to ask if it was localhost connections or separate machine connections ^.^ |
| 23:31 |
|
cfouts |
different machines. we actually have a flock of apache servers talking to a mysql server. |
| 23:31 |
|
liz-nekls |
a flock, I like that |
| 23:31 |
|
liz-nekls |
or a gaggle |
| 23:33 |
|
liz-nekls |
soooo.. increase the tolerance for connection errors? |
| 23:34 |
|
gmcharlt |
cfouts++ |
| 23:35 |
|
liz-nekls |
indeed, cfouts++ |
| 23:35 |
|
cfouts |
increasing the hard limit requires server restart, so I'm just flushing the counters periodically. |
| 23:35 |
|
liz-nekls |
cool, works for me. |
| 23:39 |
|
Sharon |
I'm glad we had this channel to come to after 5! Thanks again. |
| 04:51 |
|
library |
hi |
| 08:44 |
|
Amit |
hi |
| 08:44 |
|
Amit |
koha |
| 08:44 |
|
Amit |
hi hdl mason |
| 10:28 |
|
chris |
*sigh* |
| 10:29 |
|
SelfishMan |
eh? |
| 10:30 |
|
chris |
oh just answering emails before be |
| 10:30 |
|
chris |
d |
| 10:30 |
|
SelfishMan |
I'm sorry. Want my inbox instead? |
| 10:30 |
|
chris |
depends how much is in it :) |
| 10:30 |
|
SelfishMan |
about 1600 unread messages from the last 18 hours |
| 10:30 |
|
chris |
i only have 2831 in my work one |
| 10:31 |
|
chris |
yep ill swap then, net gain :) |
| 10:31 |
|
SelfishMan |
on second thought... |
| 10:31 |
|
SelfishMan |
OK, I now officially fear the MARC record |
| 10:32 |
|
chris |
i pushed past fear a few years ago |
| 10:32 |
|
chris |
i just loathe them now :) |
| 10:32 |
|
SelfishMan |
I was that way before I started dealing with them and now I'm traumatized |
| 10:32 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 10:33 |
|
chris |
right, i need to be awake in 7 hours to go to work, i probably should hit the hay |
| 10:33 |
|
SelfishMan |
sleep well then |
| 10:33 |
|
kf |
g |
| 10:33 |
|
kf |
sleep well chris |
| 10:33 |
|
chris |
good luck not going mental looking at MARC |
| 10:34 |
|
SelfishMan |
The scary thing is they are fluid and natural for me to read now and about as much fun as reading a phone book |
| 10:35 |
|
kf |
im not there yet |
| 10:36 |
|
SelfishMan |
I hope for your sake you never make it that far |
| 10:36 |
|
kf |
i have some experts around at work... so chances are good |
| 10:37 |
|
SelfishMan |
So do I but one of them handed me a book on MARC basics from 1991. I haven't opened it yet but I took that as a hint to learn what they are. :-P |
| 10:37 |
|
kf |
g |
