| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:48 |
|
kados |
morning all |
| 13:05 |
|
kados |
hey foxnorth |
| 13:44 |
|
hdl |
hiya kados |
| 14:30 |
|
paul |
kados : about your question "some patches today" you sent at 0:00 (GMT+2), the answer is : nope, I forgot to send what I had in my queue. What about the idea of having a copy of all what is sent to patches koha.org to koha-cvs ML ? thus, you would know what is waiting mdoeration. |
| 14:31 |
|
paul |
(+ to let you know : 6 new patches in our queue) |
| 14:47 |
|
slef |
I prefer emf to jmf. |
| 14:47 |
|
slef |
hi all |
| 14:47 |
|
jmf |
hey slef |
| 14:48 |
|
jmf |
just logging in from another box |
| 14:48 |
|
jmf |
paul: you here? |
| 14:48 |
|
paul |
yep |
| 14:49 |
|
foxnorth |
paul: what should NoZebraIndexes be set to if we have NoZebra set to 0 in system preferences? |
| 14:49 |
|
paul |
one of them being chris catalfo ? (seen the 1st bugreport from him) |
| 14:50 |
|
jmf |
paul: and what should NoZebraIndexes be set to if NoZebra is set to 1 ? |
| 14:50 |
|
jmf |
foxnorth: your NoZebra is set to 1 :-) |
| 14:50 |
|
paul |
foxnorth: whatever you want if set to 0, it's useless. |
| 14:51 |
|
paul |
jmf : look at misc/migration_tools/rebuild_nozebra.pl |
| 14:51 |
|
paul |
the value for unimarc is here. (although not complete probably) |
| 14:52 |
|
paul |
you'll see how it works. basically, it's just a hash where you specify your indexes and the fields/subfields that are related to the index |
| 14:52 |
|
jmf |
ok, we'll work on marc21 next |
| 15:03 |
|
jmf |
paul: is it normal for bulkmarcimpor to be very slow with NoZebra? |
| 15:03 |
|
paul |
yes ;-) |
| 15:03 |
|
paul |
the fast way to do it is : |
| 15:03 |
|
jmf |
and can you confirm that -d doesn't work with bulkmarcimport? |
| 15:03 |
|
paul |
- set NoZebra=0 |
| 15:03 |
|
paul |
- bulkmarcimport |
| 15:04 |
|
paul |
- rebuild_nozebra to set NoZebra=1 again & reindex everything in 1 mySQL query. |
| 15:04 |
|
jmf |
ok |
| 15:04 |
|
jmf |
paul: I think bulkmarcimport should be smart enough to do that :-) |
| 15:04 |
|
paul |
it's exactly as for zebra in fact : if you query zoom for each record, it's slow. if you rebuild all at the end, it's fast |
| 15:05 |
|
jmf |
*nod* |
| 15:05 |
|
paul |
jmf : at least, I have to write some doc to explain ! |
| 15:05 |
|
jmf |
yep |
| 15:09 |
|
jmf |
paul: what's the purpose of the -d directory option? |
| 15:11 |
|
paul |
jmf : hehe... seems it's is a useless option |
| 15:11 |
|
paul |
(probably coming from some tests I did, don't remember) |
| 15:52 |
|
slef |
can koha-admin release the KohaLa mail, please? |
| 15:59 |
|
jmf |
slef: where's it held up, which list? |
| 15:59 |
|
slef |
koha.lists.katipo.co.nz |
| 16:02 |
|
paul |
slef: I had problems once with the list, it's just an antispam measure, when you have more than 2 recipients. If a mail is bounced, then just throw it again with just the list as To: ! |
| 16:02 |
|
slef |
paul: I don't save all outbound list mail... it gets archived on inbound. |
| 16:03 |
|
slef |
paul: I think you have a copy directly anyway |
| 16:03 |
|
slef |
paul: it would be helpful if the list config was described on http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha |
| 16:03 |
|
paul |
slef : ask someone else, i don't nothing about this ml admin ;-) ) |
| 16:05 |
|
slef |
paul: do you know about KohaLa? ;-) You and Pascale seem to contradict each other and the statutes... very confusing for a poor anglo. |
| 16:34 |
|
jmf |
slef: we'll have to wait for chris cormack to wake up, he manages that one |
| 16:34 |
|
jmf |
slef: but I'll make sure he takes care of it |
| 16:34 |
|
slef |
jmf: aye... shame the clock is ticking... thanks |
| 16:34 |
|
slef |
jmf: any thoughts on KohaLa, by the way? It doesn't look like a user group to me :-/ |
| 16:35 |
|
jmf |
my understanding was that it was a user group |
| 16:35 |
|
jmf |
if it's attempting to be more than that, I think weneed to discuss its role |
| 16:37 |
|
slef |
take a look at the object in http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/StatutsKohala.pdf |
| 16:37 |
|
slef |
it's pretty broadly-scoped |
| 16:38 |
|
slef |
and I think paul is running for its council (developer, not user) |
| 16:38 |
|
slef |
I'll translate the candidate news in a mo, to see who else is there |
| 16:46 |
|
jmf |
slef: is your main objection the 'bylaws' of KohaLa? |
| 16:46 |
|
jmf |
are you requesting that they change them? |
| 16:46 |
|
slef |
I think US would call them bylaws. |
| 16:47 |
|
slef |
Essentially, I think so. |
| 16:47 |
|
paul |
bylaws ??? |
| 16:47 |
|
jmf |
have you suggested a change in language? |
| 16:47 |
|
jmf |
paul: 'bylaws' in american: |
| 16:47 |
|
jmf |
Statuts de l’Association Kohala |
| 16:47 |
|
jmf |
Rules of the Kohala Association |
| 16:47 |
|
jmf |
the list of articles |
| 16:48 |
|
slef |
not yet... French (code) law is rather different... I'm trying to get help. It would be very helpful to know where the current draft came from. |
| 16:48 |
|
slef |
(which is a question in the mail held for moderation...) |
| 16:48 |
|
paul |
slef : it comes from Francine Masson, director of ENSMP library, a woman that has founded a lot of associations during it's life |
| 16:48 |
|
jmf |
MJ's translation of the Preamble is: |
| 16:48 |
|
jmf |
The craft software under free licences are fairly few, and ask for a close participation between |
| 16:48 |
|
jmf |
developers and users to keep working, and true to principles of sharing and distributing free |
| 16:48 |
|
jmf |
software. That's why some users and developers who work with and on the library software |
| 16:48 |
|
jmf |
Koha have decided to form an association. |
| 16:48 |
|
jmf |
which I |
| 16:48 |
|
jmf |
agree, doesn't sound like auser's group |
| 16:49 |
|
jmf |
but it doesn't exactly sound ominous either :-) |
| 16:49 |
|
paul |
but Koha is not a common experience. We don't want to have "devs on the left, users on the right"... |
| 16:49 |
|
jmf |
Article 2: This association has for an object the development, the documentation, the protection, the |
| 16:49 |
|
slef |
paul: US seems to call statuts bylaws, which is funny to the English, |
| 16:49 |
|
slef |
because bylaws here are passed by towns and villages, about things |
| 16:49 |
|
slef |
like dogs messing the paths and keeping your hedges cut. |
| 16:49 |
|
jmf |
promotion and the distribution of the free software library system Koha. |
| 16:49 |
|
jmf |
hehe |
| 16:50 |
|
slef |
paul: but then we often call statuts things like memorandum and articles and other archaic names, so I don't laugh at them every time ;-) |
| 16:51 |
|
slef |
jmf: I think I've misunderstood one problem, about unnominated powers, so there has been some point to the bilingual multi-email discussion ;-) |
| 16:52 |
|
slef |
jmf: one problem I have is that 1901-law associations which I like seem not to publish their statuts, so I can't suggest them quickly. |
| 16:53 |
|
slef |
erm, bye then ;-) |
| 16:53 |
|
kados |
nope |
| 16:53 |
|
kados |
I'm here |
| 16:53 |
|
kados |
just back at my regular terminal :-) |
| 16:53 |
|
slef |
stop moving around ;-) |
| 16:53 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 16:54 |
|
slef |
paul: is Francine standing for CA? |
| 16:54 |
|
paul |
nope, she will leave in november (6x years old) |
| 16:54 |
|
slef |
erm, yes, she is, but no personal statement in the news |
| 16:54 |
|
slef |
(sorry, I just checked my mailboxes) |
| 16:57 |
|
slef |
paul: how to translate "commercial dans l'édition"? |
| 16:57 |
|
paul |
mmm... I need a more complex sentence to help |
| 16:57 |
|
slef |
J'ai principalement travaillé dans le livre et sa diffusion |
| 16:57 |
|
slef |
successivement comme libraire, commercial dans l'édition, |
| 16:57 |
|
slef |
bibliothécaire (BU et BM). |
| 16:58 |
|
paul |
vendor for an editor |
| 16:58 |
|
slef |
aha |
| 16:58 |
|
slef |
thanks |
| 16:59 |
|
paul |
time to leave for me |
| 18:39 |
|
owen |
I'm still not completely clear on the branches concept in git. Say I've got a bunch of changes that I'm not ready to commit, but I have one file I want to correct and submit a patch for. I can git checkout -b quickfix origin to create a new branch, make my change, commit, submit patch and then switch to my other branch to keep working, right? |
| 18:39 |
|
slef |
I think so. |
| 18:41 |
|
slef |
An alternative is to make a local symlink clone of your tree (git clone -l -s /path/to/tree) and do the one-file correction in that. |
| 18:41 |
|
owen |
that sounds like a non-gittish way to do it |
| 18:42 |
|
slef |
well, I think the gittish way would be to commit the unready patches up a branch, switch branches, do the one-file correction and send it off, switch back, then uncommit the unready patch or finish it and merge the patches |
| 18:43 |
|
slef |
but I seem to botch patch merging, so ;-) |
| 18:44 |
|
owen |
Hmm... Would you have to merge the patches? what if you just kept working on the unfinished work and waited for your other patch to make it into the official repo? |
| 18:45 |
|
slef |
I meant merge the unready commit and the one that finishes it. |
| 18:46 |
|
kados |
when wouldn't you be ready to commit something? |
| 18:46 |
|
slef |
kados: when it doesn't pass perl -c? |
| 18:47 |
|
owen |
kados, if you're referring to my original question, what I should have said was, a bunch of changes I'm not ready so submit a patch for |
| 18:48 |
|
kados |
as long as you've commited them to your local repo |
| 18:48 |
|
kados |
you can switch branches and make another change |
| 18:48 |
|
kados |
and send-email on that patch |
| 18:48 |
|
kados |
then switch back to the original one |
| 18:49 |
|
kados |
and continue working |
| 18:49 |
|
owen |
Okay, that's what I was thinking. Bascially, I want to send an "out of sequence" patch. Or maybe that's just how I think of it. |
| 18:50 |
|
kados |
yea, don't worry about sequencing |
| 18:50 |
|
kados |
remember, git will go back in time when merging stuff :-) |
| 18:50 |
|
kados |
if it needs to |
| 18:51 |
|
owen |
If git had gone back in time I would remember a git from the future visiting me. |
| 18:51 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 18:51 |
|
slef |
owen: no, because you would have broken it tomorrow. |
| 19:02 |
|
kados |
hi paul |
| 19:02 |
|
paul |
hi back |
| 19:02 |
|
paul |
pub date sorting still not working for me :-( |
| 19:03 |
|
paul |
i'll send a mail to the welcome the 2 new "liblimers" (that have submitted a bug if I don't mind) |
| 19:03 |
|
kados |
bug and patches too! |
| 19:03 |
|
kados |
which you will see when chris wakes up and pushes them :-) |
| 19:05 |
|
paul |
why joshua has jmf as mailbox name while joe atzberger has joe.atzberger ? |
| 19:05 |
|
kados |
we changed contentions |
| 19:05 |
|
[K] |
*** join #kohaFreeNode: atzberger n=chatzillpool-71-171-145-83.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net |
| 19:05 |
|
kados |
conventions I mean |
| 19:06 |
|
slef |
freedom... each to their own! |
| 19:06 |
|
kados |
jmf is my initials |
| 19:06 |
|
kados |
joshua mark ferraro |
| 19:06 |
|
slef |
ttllp includes initials, isurname and firstnames forms |
| 19:07 |
|
slef |
moral of the tale: don't try guessing email addresses. That can get embarrasing ;-) |
| 19:07 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 19:07 |
|
slef |
at university, I had M.Ray, M.J.Ray, mjr and h089, among others |
| 19:08 |
|
slef |
the uni systems simply didn't do multiple roles, so they just made a new account for each job you had |
| 19:08 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 19:08 |
|
kados |
slef: btw: nice job on the zebra commits |
| 19:09 |
|
slef |
kados: do they work yet? ;-) |
| 19:09 |
|
kados |
slef: no :-) |
| 19:09 |
|
kados |
but we're getting there :-) |
| 19:09 |
|
kados |
one question |
| 19:09 |
|
slef |
Not a surprise. I'm still a bit confused (see mails to koha-devel) |
| 19:09 |
|
kados |
right now, we have a global option for marc 'flavour' |
| 19:09 |
|
kados |
MARC21 and UNIMARC being the two main options |
| 19:10 |
|
kados |
but in koha 3.x we may see that become a framework-level option |
| 19:10 |
|
kados |
so there are a few places I'm not sure how we should represent the differences for those |
| 19:10 |
|
kados |
like the installer |
| 19:11 |
|
slef |
ok, framework-level means in-database? |
| 19:11 |
|
kados |
I'm not sure we can easily configure zebra to index both unimarc and marc21, but we might be able to |
| 19:11 |
|
kados |
framework-level would potentially mean at the level of the MARC framework |
| 19:13 |
|
kados |
I need to do more research on zebra |
| 19:13 |
|
kados |
to figure out how ewe could get marc21 and unimarc playing nicely together |
| 19:14 |
|
kados |
paul: so I guess you've seen all the bug reports |
| 19:14 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 19:14 |
|
paul |
yep... |
| 19:14 |
|
kados |
I'm very concerned about doing anything resembling a public release with the current state of things |
| 19:15 |
|
paul |
do you think you have more to come, or is that all ? |
| 19:15 |
|
kados |
i think more to come unfortunately |
| 19:20 |
|
paul |
which framework settings should I choose ? |
| 19:28 |
|
kados |
re: bug 1466 |
| 19:29 |
|
kados |
I just installed 3 marc21 systems this mornign with no probs |
| 19:29 |
|
kados |
so you must not have the latest kohastructure.sql |
| 19:29 |
|
kados |
or bib frameworks |
| 19:29 |
|
paul |
mmm... git fetch a few hours ago. something in the queue ? |
| 19:29 |
|
kados |
don't think so |
| 19:34 |
|
kados |
did you fetch and rebase? |
| 19:38 |
|
paul |
ok, my fault. I was on BibLibre, not on Official branch. it's invalid |
| 19:38 |
|
slef |
kados: do you have a script log or similar of it? ;-) |
| 19:39 |
|
slef |
(of the installed systems) |
| 19:39 |
|
kados |
slef: yea, you already have it :-) |
| 19:40 |
|
kados |
slef: no, I mean the package I sent you |
| 19:40 |
|
slef |
ok, so mainly the var/usr/etc problems and edits that I know about ;-) |
| 19:41 |
|
kados |
well, we didn't use the new package to install |
| 19:41 |
|
kados |
we used my old symlinked one |
| 19:41 |
|
kados |
(we have several installs on one box |
| 19:41 |
|
kados |
for development) |
| 19:42 |
|
kados |
(and it's much easier to test on a symlinked install) |
| 19:42 |
|
slef |
the new package can do several installs on one box and it would help development more if more than the two active koha devels at ttllp were using it |
| 19:42 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 19:42 |
|
kados |
but it doesn't use a symlinked install |
| 19:43 |
|
slef |
symlinked to the git tree? |
| 19:43 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 19:43 |
|
slef |
wouldn't be hard to do that actually |
| 19:46 |
|
kados |
man, we really need to clean up these syspref names |
| 20:00 |
|
paul |
#1430 fixed.... |
| 20:05 |
|
kados |
paul++ #awaiting patch from chris |
| 20:06 |
|
kados |
in the staff client |
| 20:06 |
|
kados |
something strange with js going on |
| 20:06 |
|
kados |
it loads late or something |
| 20:07 |
|
kados |
paul: have you seen the 'bulk edit' feature in the catalog search? |
| 20:07 |
|
paul |
it's something added by hdl |
| 20:07 |
|
paul |
the goal is to update all the biblios from a query |
| 20:08 |
|
kados |
yep, it's a nice feature |
| 20:08 |
|
kados |
but a dangerous one also |
| 20:08 |
|
kados |
and a bit buggy if you don't mind :-) |
| 20:09 |
|
kados |
paul: where does it pull the list of valid codes? from the default template? |
| 20:09 |
|
kados |
for us it's a ton of extra html for every search result |
| 20:09 |
|
kados |
I think it must be moved to a separate function |
| 20:09 |
|
kados |
not the main search |
| 20:10 |
|
paul |
kados : I don't know, you'll ask to hdl ;-) |
| 20:10 |
|
kados |
http://staff-jmf.dev.kohalibra[…]felsefe&op=Submit |
| 20:13 |
|
kados |
and why is EditBiblios in Search.pm instead of Biblio.pm? |
| 20:14 |
|
paul |
dunno either ! |
| 20:16 |
|
kados |
and it should be named ModBiblios IMO |
| 20:16 |
|
kados |
to follow our convention |
| 20:17 |
|
kados |
paul: I hope you'll understand why I would consider this a blocker :-) |
| 20:17 |
|
paul |
nope (really) |
| 20:17 |
|
paul |
I would just remove the feature of warn in release note that it don't work. |
| 20:17 |
|
paul |
otherwise, all bugs are blo ! |
| 20:18 |
|
paul |
but I know we disagree here... I don't try to convince you. |
| 20:18 |
|
paul |
this feature don't work. for me a blo means "you can't use the software in it's main features" |
| 20:18 |
|
paul |
which is definetly not the case here. |
| 20:19 |
|
paul |
i have the same pov on #1441, that i'm working on atm |
| 20:19 |
|
kados |
well, we could do a release, but I would omit it as a feature |
| 20:19 |
|
kados |
since it's buggy |
| 20:19 |
|
kados |
and doesn't follow our coding guidelines |
| 20:20 |
|
kados |
that said, it's a very nice feature! |
| 20:20 |
|
kados |
and I hope it will be patched so we can include it! |
| 20:24 |
|
paul |
patch for #1441 done |
| 20:25 |
|
paul |
time to go to bed for frenchies |
| 20:25 |
|
paul |
10:30PM |
| 20:25 |
|
kados |
paul++ |
| 20:26 |
|
paul |
wow... champion's league in soccer : Lyon 0-3 Glasgow Rangers... you must know that tomorrow we will have Liverpool vs Marseille & Marseille / Lyon are ennemies in soccer ;-) |
| 20:30 |
|
paul |
11 patches in patcheskoha.org mailbox |
| 20:30 |
|
paul |
bye bye everybody |
| 08:23 |
|
slef |
morning all - chris: alive? |
| 08:23 |
|
slef |
idle 11 hours... hmm |
| 08:24 |
|
slef |
paul: it's not a matter of confidence and it's not a matter of culture. Are you ending the discussion because you don't want to understand the concerns? |
| 08:28 |
|
paul |
hi slef : nope, I want to end the discussion because coding is more important atm, and I'm not sure i'll convince you at all |
| 08:28 |
|
chris |
yep im around |
| 08:29 |
|
chris |
http://git.koha.org/gitstat/ |
| 08:29 |
|
slef |
chris: can you release the post of mine to koha.lists.katipo.co.nz that's on moderation-hold, please? |
| 08:29 |
|
chris |
yep ill go do that now |
| 08:29 |
|
slef |
thanks 1000... I don't want to rewrite that long mail |
| 08:30 |
|
slef |
although things might have moved on past it a little while it's been on hold |
| 08:31 |
|
chris |
done |
| 08:31 |
|
slef |
paul: you probably won't convince me that giving corporations employees+2 votes is fair, but other than that, I'm pretty convincable. |
| 08:32 |
|
paul |
it's not "corpo empl", it's "corpo" |
| 08:32 |
|
paul |
(represented by a physical person, of course) |
| 08:39 |
|
slef |
all the corporation owners and employees can have a vote each, then there's two more votes givable to anyone who doesn't already have a vote, right? |
| 08:39 |
|
slef |
chris: thanks (I think) |
| 08:40 |
|
paul |
slef : nope. |
| 08:40 |
|
paul |
the company is a "moral person". It has a juridic existence. So it can vote "itself" |
| 08:40 |
|
paul |
except that it is represented by someone. |
| 08:40 |
|
paul |
so, SAN-OP could have : |
| 08:41 |
|
paul |
- 1 vote for Jerome that is member as "jerome" |
| 08:41 |
|
slef |
brb- have problems |
| 08:41 |
|
paul |
- 1 vote for bruno that is member as "jerome" |
| 08:52 |
|
slaf |
sorry about that... I've lost control of slef's server temporarily |
| 08:56 |
|
slaf |
load average: 23.10, 30.54, 25.42 |
| 08:56 |
|
slaf |
Tasks: 95 total, 7 running, 87 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie |
| 08:56 |
|
chris |
yikes |
| 08:57 |
|
chris |
least it appears to be dropping |
| 08:57 |
|
slaf |
yeah... should get control back soon |
| 08:58 |
|
slef |
load average: 31.03, 30.25, 25.91 |
| 08:58 |
|
chris |
or maybe not :) |
| 08:58 |
|
slef |
erm, we were saying? |
| 08:58 |
|
slef |
I have a shell... all is not lost |
| 08:59 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 08:59 |
|
slef |
I think one of the daemons is memory-leaking, but I'm not sure. |
| 09:00 |
|
slef |
Swap: 131064k total, 131040k used |
| 09:00 |
|
slef |
that'll be resource starvation, then |
| 09:01 |
|
chris |
ah yeah, thatd do it |
| 09:02 |
|
slef |
paul: I understand how corporation votes work. I just don't think they're fair. |
| 09:03 |
|
slef |
paul: I also don't understand why KohaLa moved from being a user group to being for development, documentation and so on |
| 09:05 |
|
slef |
load average: 3.95, 16.88, 21.67 |
| 09:06 |
|
paul |
slef : i have then answer to the 2nd question : because Koha is a free software ! and I (we) don't want to have on the right the users, and on the left the developpers. |
| 09:06 |
|
paul |
we all are in the same boat ! |
| 09:08 |
|
slef |
paul: we are not all in the same boat! KohaLa is putting on the right the French, on the left the others. |
| 09:10 |
|
slef |
paul: if KohaLa is to be inclusive, then that is good IMO, but it should be done inclusively |
| 09:52 |
|
paul |
chris still around ? |
| 10:01 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 10:01 |
|
chris |
just saw you sent a patch |
| 10:02 |
|
chris |
or so bugzilla says :) |
| 10:02 |
|
chris |
ahh, ive already accepted it, never mind :) |
| 10:08 |
|
paul |
chris : new patch in your mailbox ;-) |
| 10:09 |
|
chris |
hmm dominic on the bench .. i would have started him |
| 10:22 |
|
chris |
ok, bedtime for me |
| 10:22 |
|
paul |
sweet dreams |
| 10:22 |
|
chris |
(daylight savings started here last saturday, so its 1 hour later than last week) |
| 10:23 |
|
chris |
my body still thinks its 10.22 tho, its hard to wake up 1 hour earlier |
| 10:24 |
|
paul |
chris ??? |
| 10:24 |
|
paul |
do you see the compo of the french team (announced 2 hours ago) |
| 10:24 |
|
paul |
some surprises, as usual with Bernard laporte ! |
| 10:25 |
|
chris |
yes, i saw that, if i was couch, christophe dominic would not be in the reserves, he would be on the field |
| 10:25 |
|
chris |
coach even :) |
| 10:25 |
|
paul |
that would make 16 vs 15, but it may be a good idea ;-) |
| 10:26 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 10:29 |
|
chris |
now im really going to sleep |
| 10:29 |
|
paul |
seet dreams |
