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06:10 marcelr hi #koha
06:44 reiveune hello
06:51 alex_ Bonjour
08:15 * cait waves
08:18 paulderscheid[m] good morning #koha
08:22 marcelr o/
08:22 paulderscheid[m] \o
08:28 * cait waves
08:28 ashimema morning
08:32 marcelr hi ashimema
09:26 ashimema hmm...
09:26 ashimema the more I look at all these staff client UI fixes.. the more little things I uncover that bug me..
09:27 ashimema it's wack-a-mole.. I SO/QA one bug and open another two in it's place.
09:28 cait your senses are sharpened now
09:28 cait hope to join you soon
09:28 cait 2 more mails or so :(
09:28 ashimema indeed
09:28 ashimema woop, woop
09:33 marcelr ashimema: it is the Koha game: solve one bug, find two new ones :)
09:34 cait it's true
09:34 Joubu nav menu on the left, syspref page, I am seeing: https://snipboard.io/Q3wHt6.jpg
09:35 Joubu Is that expected that the "subitems" are not indented to the right?
09:35 marcelr Joubu probably not
09:35 Joubu they are actually more towards the left
09:36 cait file it :)
09:36 Joubu rebasing the erm branch, and it looks very bad: https://snipboard.io/zL7mMO.jpg
09:36 marcelr Joubu++
09:37 Joubu what is "page-section"?
09:37 cait hm yes, that looks very odd
09:37 cait page-section class gives a white background
09:37 Joubu is that supposed to replace the fieldset borders?
09:37 cait a card-kinda layout? Ashimema can explain
09:37 cait but yours looks like there might also be a markup error
09:37 Joubu yes, but that's for something else
09:38 Joubu https://snipboard.io/nTBRAh.jpg
09:38 cait i think the white background der is right
09:38 cait der = there
09:38 Joubu vs https://snipboard.io/MNZkpT.jpg
09:38 marcelr deero
09:39 cait but there are small glitches for the File.: and the buttons at the bottom are stuck together
09:39 Joubu before there were too many border, now there are no more
09:39 cait yes
09:39 cait but the contrast between background and the white is more visible for me usually than on your screenshot now
09:39 cait might be my bad screen again
09:40 ashimema sorry.. was reading back
09:40 ashimema hmm.. nested form fieldsets.. I've not really come across one of those yet in the new UI..
09:41 Joubu yes, that's my problem I think
09:41 ashimema as for your left nav stuff I think that's a different thing.. it should probably take the same form as the other sidebar-menu stuff..
09:41 ashimema like circ-menu.inc
09:41 ashimema page-section is basically a very minimal white box to denote a content section of a page
09:42 ashimema but it does not look incredibly similar to fieldset too
09:42 Joubu left bar: I don't think it's like circ. All the 'li' are links.
09:42 ashimema I was just considering this actually.. for me one of the big difference's between the current fieldset and the previous one (and the page-section of now).. is that the 'legend' is inside the box
09:42 Joubu on circ, entries are grouped
09:43 ashimema before it was part of the border.. and for page section we are a bit inconsistent.. but the main heading certainly started outside the box
09:44 * ashimema might be thinking of tools or cataloging
09:52 ashimema oh.. I missed your first screenshot Joubu.. I see what you mean
09:53 ashimema subitems indentation is wrong.. another bug
11:01 cait the acq order form needs some serious work too - broken item form
11:02 cait inc ase noone got to that one yet :)
11:06 * ashimema has decided picking colors is bloody hard ;P
11:07 ashimema bug 31753
11:07 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Dialog boxes inside of modals don't seem wide enough
11:19 cait oook, got 40 minutes for QA now... *dives in*
11:19 cait someon a suggestion?
11:28 cait marcelr++ thx
11:30 * ashimema has just been working down https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=30952&showsummary=on&display=tree&rankdir=LR
11:31 cait I picked one, set the QA contact
11:39 tcohen hola #koha
11:42 ashimema I'm off for a swim.. see you soon KOha
11:43 tcohen enjoy ashimema !
11:44 cait oooh
11:44 tcohen ashimema: I'm afraid you cannot leave, is QA day
11:49 cait ah no lukeg either
11:50 Joubu is it then correct to use page-section for forms?
11:50 Joubu I am getting this layout: https://snipboard.io/vPyegC.jpg
11:52 cait i think so
11:52 tcohen cait: lukeg gets in later (in 2 hours)
11:52 cait we have it on the patron form too
11:53 cait ah ok
11:53 tcohen that looks correct Joubu
11:54 Joubu cait: I don't see page-section on memberentry
11:54 cait hm maybe some other element has the same effect then?
11:54 cait i was going by the looks
11:54 Joubu https://snipboard.io/5UpWCR.jpg - buttons are misplaced btw
11:55 ashimema Filedset has very similar styling
11:56 ashimema Swim time, bbiab
11:57 Joubu then should I pick fieldset? :)
11:57 cait we need to start a document tow rite all this up
11:58 cait I have another one: page sub-headings: inside page-section or above?
11:59 cait ok, looks like outside for h1... but h2 inside?
12:00 cait shoudl we just start a frama and take notes as we go?
12:42 ashimema and this is why I was really keen to have a style guide front and centre for this work.. butt that went down like a lead baloon
12:55 cait well, we can moan... or we can start one :)
12:55 ashimema yes
12:55 ashimema we should start one
12:56 ashimema should we use the Wiki?
12:56 ashimema along similar lines to the codeing guidelines?
12:56 cait I was thining maybe use a framapad to have a quick start and move wiki as a second step?
12:56 cait but yes, i think siilar to guidelines, but spearate page for sure
12:56 ashimema draft it out between us then vote it in at a meeting?
12:56 ashimema sure.. if frama is easier for you 🙂
12:56 cait coding guidelines and style guidelines maybe?
12:56 ashimema lets go with that
12:57 ashimema perfect.. only reason I suggested wiki was it lends itself to easily formatted code snippets
12:57 ashimema but we can do that as a second step.. first step really is to get a bunch of questions listed and then answer them between us..
12:57 cait hm it's a valid point
12:57 cait let's try wiki then
12:57 ashimema like where different heading levels should be used, inside/outside page-section.. when page-section should be used vs fieldset..
12:57 ashimema etc, etc
12:58 cait but we can not name it draft nwo and rename later... right?
12:58 * ashimema is actually a massive fan of markdown for this sort of stuff.. but hey ;)
12:59 ashimema lets stick to a frama for now.. wiki is just about to move too so it makes sense to push it into the wiki as soon as that move has happened rather than risk delaying that move because we're suddently making te wiki very activ
12:59 cait ok, because I don't remember how to start a ne page on the wiki right now
12:59 cait https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha-styleguide-draft
13:01 tcohen ashimema: it should happen next week
13:01 ashimema awesome
13:04 cait you got to start writing too :)
13:05 ashimema Will do momentarily.. just rebasing something 😜
13:19 cait new bug incoming: Bug 31910 - Article request form is misaligned/misformatted
13:20 magnuse_ cait++ ashimema++
13:51 ashimema talking alerts cait.. I've seen the at the top, I've seen them between the toolbar and the heading.. I've seen them below the heading
13:52 cait yeah
13:52 cait since we have toolbar h1 now
13:52 cait i believe right under is teh spot i prefer
13:52 cait so it sits in a good view point right above the form/main content
13:54 cait I am suggesting... we just need to agree on something consistent, that woudl be nice
13:55 ashimema agreed
13:55 * ashimema is trying to visualise..
13:55 ashimema I think I was in the 'above everything' camp.. so it's the first thing your drawn to
13:55 ashimema but I'm now wondering
13:56 cait I usually like it better if the alert and what it applies to are closer together
13:58 cait question: item search result list
13:59 cait select visible roews and Edit search button
13:59 cait shoudl they be within page-section or outside?
13:59 cait my feeling is that select visible... belongs to the table... so inside, edit search not sure
14:05 * cait summons oleonard
14:20 lukeg cait++
14:26 cait lukeg: did you see my question about item search?
14:26 cait on here - not on bug yet
14:34 lukeg cait: I did not
14:35 cait I was wondering if on item searrch the select visible rows links and Edit search shoudl not be inside the page-section
14:35 cait we ar trying to figure out some guidelines too: https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha-styleguide-draft
14:36 cait lukeg: ^^
14:38 lukeg Hmm, good question, Maybe everything except the h1 should be in the page section?
14:38 ashimema yuk
14:39 lukeg Now I have to go look at some other pages
14:39 cait been doing that yes
14:39 ashimema that page is in need of cleanup in general I feel
14:39 cait i thk the h1 outside is consistent now, so stuck that on the guidelines
14:39 lukeg ashimema: item search page?
14:39 cait ... and should edit search be yelllow?
14:40 ashimema I would say it should be more similar to the catalog search results page..
14:40 cait it's a quite different technique used there compared to other pages i think
14:41 cait i sometimes bugs me I can't link to a search, I'd love that
14:41 ashimema select stuff should be in a, preferably floating, toolbar
14:41 ashimema for example
14:41 cait oh right
14:41 cait I'll file that - it came up last week at our wrkshop too (floating tool bar for item search)
14:41 lukeg +1 floating toolbar
14:42 ashimema there should also be a results count and we should display the search terms somewhere
14:42 cait I feel after this redesign work I'll never look at Koha the same
14:43 cait Bug 31915 - Add floating toolbar to item search
14:43 ashimema doesn't appear to be paging either...
14:44 ashimema in fact.. it's generally just really inconsistent with everywhere else.. lol
14:44 lukeg It does
14:44 ashimema nice one cait
14:44 cait it might be the oldest implementation for server side stuff
14:44 ashimema could be
14:44 cait so it just might need to catch up
14:44 cait and it does paging for me?
14:44 cait the usual datatables stuff at the top of the table
14:45 ashimema oh.. so it does
14:45 ashimema ah.. yes..
14:45 cait I think that<#s the issue right?
14:45 ashimema it's dt style rather than search results style..
14:45 cait it's a datatable...
14:45 cait yeah
14:45 ashimema wonder if we aught to make the cat search results look more consistent with dt style.. or the other way around..
14:45 cait they both work vrey differently
14:45 ashimema they're both really just big tables of stuff.. so paging that's consistent looking would be good
14:46 cait one being search engine based and the other not... maybe some differences are ok
14:46 cait but for now... inside our outside page section?
14:46 cait i know we want a floating header ultimately.. but?
14:46 ashimema they might work differently behind the scenes.. but they'd be trivial to style the same 😜
14:47 ashimema outside if my opinion..
14:47 cait heh I was inside
14:47 ashimema leaving the door open for the toolbar next
14:47 cait lukeg: you are tie breaker
14:48 lukeg oh jeeze :)
14:48 cait if it's too stressful I can switch sides
14:48 cait i think ashimema kinda persuaded me
14:48 lukeg Comparing it to catalog search, it seems like it should be outside of page-section
14:49 cait PQA then :) moving onto next
14:50 cait hm that seems to have been the last page-section one in QA queue
14:50 ashimema 🙂
14:50 cait ashimema: are you actively working on 31886?
14:51 cait ah, waiting for a follow-up
14:51 lukeg I was working on 31886
14:51 ashimema oh...
14:51 ashimema I didn't mean to set myself for QA there.. I signed it off 🙂
14:51 ashimema lukeg is doing a small followup though..
14:51 ashimema but onces that's there I reckon it's a PQA if you want it 😛
14:52 lukeg So should it be:
14:52 cait yeah, i moved to fqa for now - nothing personal :)
14:52 cait just so i don't keep running into that one until it's ready
14:52 lukeg Serials - Features
14:52 lukeg I18N - Global
14:52 lukeg ?
14:52 cait hm?
14:53 ashimema works for me
14:53 lukeg cool, revised patch incoming
14:53 ashimema they're sorta meaningless at the moment really.. the prefs don't really lend themselves to being groups.. hence the loose suggestions.. but it looks better than having the same thing twice 😜
14:54 lukeg agreed
14:54 ashimema shall I open another bug for converting the 'You search for' away from being a heading?
14:54 cait yes?
14:54 ashimema okies
14:54 cait if you wonder about filing a bug... isn't the answer always yes?
14:54 cait :)
14:55 ashimema it is unless someone decides to just do it inline 😛
14:55 cait btw... this is slightly upsetting me: cataloguing/cataloging-home
14:56 cait but... it makes sense as we agreed to use AE for new stuff ... and gah.
14:58 cait inconsistencies now, whereever we look! :)
14:59 lukeg Bug 31886 back in the NQA queue, I think tcohen can push it straight away if one of y'all can QA
14:59 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31886 normal, P5 - low, ---, lucas, Signed Off , No side menu when searching for syspref
15:00 cait already applied here :)
15:02 cait did we file about the wrong sidebar indentation on sstem preferences?
15:04 cait ashimema: I am sticking your sign-off line to bug 31886
15:04 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31886 normal, P5 - low, ---, lucas, Signed Off , No side menu when searching for syspref
15:06 ShaneSammons[m] Is there a character limit or something for the DAMAGED authorized values? I added some, but when I apply them on edit item, they don't save
15:07 reiveune bye
15:08 Joubu tcohen: 31154 - only the last 2 patches are needed
15:08 ShaneSammons[m] Is this still IRC on the backend? I am using the website for now, going thorugh element and matrix
15:10 Joubu ERM sandbox updated with the rebased branch and a couple of new enhancements ;)
15:11 ashimema thanks cait
15:11 ashimema and yes cait.. it bugs me having the mix of AE and BE.. i was going to handle it with the migration of controllers serverside.. it's a big job though ☹ï¸
15:12 ashimema and Shame Sammons we are indeed on a bridged matrix channel..
15:12 ashimema you can use matrix features and other element/web users will see them.. but they get down converted for the IRC folk I believe...
15:12 ashimema ShaneS: ^
15:12 ashimema nice one Joubu!
15:13 ashimema nice one Pedro (whose perhaps not on here right now?)
15:13 ShaneS[m] Okay, I just see the same list of "People" I am used to from IRC, and just wanted to check that IRC still existed :)
15:14 ashimema yup
15:14 Joubu PedroAmorimpamorim[m]++
15:14 ashimema 🙂
15:15 cait ShaneS[m]: it's limited to numbers
15:15 cait for the codes
15:15 cait same for Not for loan and some others, if you stick to numbers, it will work
15:16 Joubu vendors list: https://snipboard.io/FzH759.jpg
15:16 Joubu this looks bad, right?
15:16 ShaneS[m] Thank you...I used letters...and didn't see a note here: https://koha-community.org/manual/20.11/en/html/administration.html#authorized-values I guess I could have checked the DB schema but I can't remember where that lovely field listing / mind mapping type view is/was
15:17 ashimema terrible Joubu
15:17 ShaneS[m] Let me switch to #
15:18 cait ShaneS[m]: schema.koha-community.org
15:18 ashimema it's stuff like that I requested the page-section stuff for Joubu..
15:18 ashimema hence the huge number of bugs now adding page-section classes or divs
15:18 Joubu bug 31918 - not really inspired for suggestions..
15:19 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31918 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , vendor list is not displayed nicely
15:19 ashimema loads already linked to bug 31757 Joubu
15:19 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31757 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add 'page-section' where it's missing
15:20 * ashimema roles up sleeves and considers working through acq
15:21 cait get me the patches for the missing page-sections :)
15:21 cait already have all the data set up
15:22 ashimema is there already a bug for acqui-home?
15:22 ashimema I can't see one
15:22 cait yep
15:22 cait look for acq start
15:22 cait i just qa'd it earlier
15:23 ashimema bug 31830
15:23 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31830 normal, P5 - low, ---, lucas, Pushed to master , Add page-section to budgets and funds table on acq start page (acq)
15:23 Joubu when I am on acqui-home.pl, the nav menu is showing the item hovered by the pointer with a nice green label on the left of the element, and changing its background. However the behaviour in the "More" dropdown menu is to simply underline the selected items
15:23 Joubu feels inconsistent
15:23 Joubu just me or... should I open a bug report? Has it been discussed already?
15:24 cait i don't think it has been discussed, but i'd like a colored background highlight instead of the underline
15:24 cait please file :)
15:24 ashimema lol.. I should have pulled
15:24 ashimema now I see a better acq home
15:25 cait ashimema: i went through the acq pages - there should be bugs for all of them (i hope)
15:27 cait not patche sfor all yet I think
15:29 Joubu bug 31919
15:29 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31919 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Hovered items in "More" should change background color
15:29 ashimema hmm..
15:29 ashimema that vendors list page is harder than I first thought..
15:35 tcohen bbl
15:40 Joubu new order page:
15:40 cait filed already ;)
15:40 cait at least if you mean the item form or several other things
15:40 Joubu 1. https://snipboard.io/2k6ImK.jpg - isn't supposed to be aligned?
15:40 Joubu 2. https://snipboard.io/c8AEjz.jpg - stat 2 misaligned?
15:41 Joubu 1 and 2 reported?
15:41 cait yes, looking for it, sec
15:41 cait bug 31819
15:41 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31819 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Formatting of item form in acq when ordering is broken
15:41 cait bug 31826
15:41 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31826 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add page-section to item form on order receive page (acq)
15:41 cait i threw the stats into the first bug
15:42 cait sorry, it's only the first bug actually, both
15:42 Joubu https://snipboard.io/BF20lp.jpg - new vendor appearing there ok?
15:44 cait yes, that was a last version's change
15:44 cait it's intentional, not related to the new design
15:44 Joubu ok
15:44 Joubu weird
15:44 cait oleonard added the toolbar to each entry
15:44 Joubu the "clear date" icon is now green, expected?
15:45 cait I'd say so
15:45 Joubu sorry, I lost a bit of history lately :D
15:45 cait that's ok :)
15:45 cait bug 28082
15:45 Joubu hummm "delete vendor" has no confirmation alert!
15:45 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28082 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Add acquisitions toolbar to vendors on vendor search page
15:45 cait bug
15:45 Joubu ho, first has, but it does not care about the answer, I clicked "NO"!
15:45 cait haven't seen the 'delete vendor' one filed
15:46 cait eww
15:47 cait I got to leave here (in the office today) - bbl, but have a nice weekend all just in case!
15:48 Joubu bug 31921
15:48 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31921 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , No confirmation alert when deleting a vendor
15:50 Joubu tcohen: what's the selenium failure you asked me to look at earlier today?
15:55 Joubu isn't this "washed green" ugly? https://snipboard.io/Nnab3I.jpg
16:03 lukeg Joubu: IMHO, yes
16:03 ashimema ha.. and that's the slightly "improved" one
16:05 ashimema see bug 31753 for a comparison of options so far tried
16:05 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Dialog boxes inside of modals don't seem wide enough
16:06 ashimema https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=142328
16:06 ashimema in particular
16:06 Joubu no color? :D
16:07 ashimema lol
16:07 ashimema I like having header/footer visually distinct
16:07 ashimema I don't like the opac modals where we keep them the same colour as the rest of the modal personally..
16:08 ashimema but finding the right green is ... hard
16:09 Joubu We shouldn't need to find one, but use one that has been choosen when they discuss the new design
16:09 ashimema and you think they did that 😜
16:09 ashimema that is perhaps the far left option
16:09 ashimema but it also had complaints about looking 'swampy'
16:10 Joubu IIRC there was a palette of color somewhere
16:10 ashimema must admit.. the original has kinda grown on me
16:10 ashimema there was.. but it didn't include this color 😜
16:10 ashimema or rather.. this element
16:10 lukeg The original as in pre-redesign?
16:11 ashimema nope.. that's post re-design still
16:11 lukeg hehe, ok
16:11 ashimema the three options in that above linked screenshot come from that bug.. the before, middle and after follow-up
16:12 ashimema I asked for input, but didn't block the other fixes in the bug.. tomas pushed with my followup
16:12 ashimema I'm more than happy for people to have another go ;P.. or to restore the pre patch fix.. it's easier now that oleonard made it a variable
16:15 ashimema just remember when you do play you need so consider title and link texts for contrast..
16:15 Joubu how do I modify the variable from the browser's console?
16:15 ashimema it's what I was scratching my head over this morning.
16:16 ashimema er.. variables get compiled.. assuming you mean the css stuff I was talking about..
16:16 Joubu yes, the background-color-modal
16:16 ashimema just just edit the css rule directly in the browser.. then much with the variable to hit all cases for submission
16:16 Joubu I don't see the background-color css rule
16:16 ashimema .modal-content {
16:16 ashimema background-color: rgb(211, 223, 204);
16:16 ashimema background-color:
16:17 Joubu ha! I was on .modal-header
16:18 ashimema gotta go cook.. biab
16:19 Joubu gotta go drink a beer, have a great weekend #koha!
16:30 lukeg cheers :)
16:31 cait back
17:16 caroline cait, your libraries aren't up to 21.11 yet right?
17:51 cait not yet no
17:51 cait might jump to 22.11 directly
17:51 cait are you having any trouble?
17:54 caroline not yet, but I'm dreading bug 24387 so I was wondering if you had had to correct your stuff and if so how
17:55 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24387 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Rename News tool
17:55 caroline I'm trying to prevent having to do it manually since we have ~60 instances
18:01 caroline Anyway, once I determine what I'll do, I'll share it
18:02 ashimema We should work together on fixes.. there's never enough time for everything though
18:02 ashimema What not ask your dev team to help squash the issue and work through it with them..then submit it up caroline
18:03 caroline My colleague will help me definitely, I still have to determine what needs to be done
18:12 philor_ is there an easy way to get to the revision before a patch from a particular bug landed?
19:32 cait sorry caroline - getting lat ehere, i got distracted
19:32 caroline no worries
19:32 cait just made some fresh tea.. so I might at least finish reading today's bug mail
19:33 cait philor: can you explain a bit more? I am not sure what you mean
19:34 philor cait: I found a workable solution, if not elegant, but what I meant was "I'm pretty sure bug 30280 broke something, but I want to locally check out the revision just before it landed, to make sure it was working then and broken as soon as it landed"
19:34 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30280 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frank.hansen, Pushed to master , Support authority records with common subject headings from different thesaurus
19:36 philor which it was, so the bug is in your bug mail :)
19:39 cait oh no...
19:39 philor so many twisty paths through linking
19:40 philor I was trying to file the one I know will exist, about AutoCreateAuthorities creating duplicates because it only creates LCSH records, when I discovered that without linking working, it can't yet be broken
19:43 philor hmm, or maybe linking is only broken on Zebra, and Elasticsearch+AutoCreateAuthorities does create infinite duplicates?
19:44 cait sorry, I don't know
19:44 cait i tested that one and it seeme dto make things stricter but correct in terms of standard and MARC
19:45 * philor tries a ByWater sandbox for elastic
19:46 philor someday, I really need to figure out why I can't make it work locally
20:16 philor not sure what made me think the ByWater sandboxes default to Elasticsearch, though
20:18 caroline philor, I think they have both and you can just change the syspref
20:24 caroline ok so trying to figure out what the dbrev for bug 24387 does... I have an instance with 4 'OpacMainUserBlock' news, two fr-CA and two in en. After the update, I have 6, four 'default' and two 'fr-CA'
20:24 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24387 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Rename News tool
20:25 caroline it looks like it doubled the fr-CA ones, but the en ones were just changed to default
20:29 caroline I think the default was added because the preview didn't work otherwise... Is it necessary other than that?
20:49 lukeg caroline: Ive seen that same problem fairly often
20:50 lukeg caroline: do you know where I can find a list of installable language packs for Koha?
20:50 caroline lukeg, oh did you have problems when updating too? I thought it was only installs with multiple languages that had problems
20:51 lukeg i know I can run koha-translate --list, but that just gives me the codes and I can't always determine the language from the code
20:52 caroline lukeg, not sure... I would probably check on the translation site https://translate.koha-community.org/projects/22.05/
20:52 lukeg Ive seen that problem, and it is when we upgrade and their are multiple language packs installed. I'll end up with a bunch of extra OPACMainUserBlocks, OPACHeaders, OPACCredits, etc..
20:53 caroline yep, that is the exact problem I'm trying to avoid!
20:54 caroline I'm trying to see if there is something I can do *automatically* either before or after the upgrade to avoid having manual changes to do
20:54 lukeg Yea, it is a pain. And I'm pretty sure you are looking at the right DB update. There is a lot in that one and I don't understand all of it
20:55 caroline I wonder if we just remove the creation of the default if it will affect anything. I'm not sure what the default is for. You either have your OPAC in one language or the other
20:55 caroline Maybe if you want something to appear on both, like an image with no text, but in the case of the upgrade, you couldn't have that before
20:56 caroline so I don't think it makes sense to create a default...
20:56 caroline I'm still thinking about it
20:58 lukeg I almost exclusively use the default, but that is because we have so many partners without additional language packs installed
21:00 caroline ok so for unilingual installations, would you need the default? Or would english only be ok too?
21:03 lukeg I think English would be fine too, but since everything just defaults to Default, I leave it there.
21:03 lukeg Defaults to default... ha
21:04 lukeg But I am thinking there are other reasons to have default, maybe a smarter developer than I can chime in on that...
21:05 caroline For the new content, you can use default, but for the upgrade from the news I think en would be fine
21:05 caroline It's really just the upgrade that is problematic... The feature itself is fine
21:12 caroline I added a comment to bug 24387 with my thoughts... I will talk with my colleague next week and see what we can do and I will try to remember to share it
21:12 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24387 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Rename News tool
21:38 tuxayo hi koha :)