Time Nick Message 06:04 marcelr hi #koha 06:32 marcelr hi fridolin 06:33 fridolin yey marcelr le bonjour 06:40 reiveune hello 06:40 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 06:41 marcelr hi reiveune 06:41 marcelr and cait 06:41 reiveune \o_ 06:42 * cait waves 07:56 paulderscheid[m] morning #koha 07:56 paulderscheid[m] I've got an interesting idea. Wouldn't it be great if we had key-based auth on the API? 07:57 paulderscheid[m] I thought about managing sysprefs via API but I think without key-based auth it's not safe enough. 08:02 matts hi paulderscheid[m], you can create API keys for a given user: https://koha-community.org/manual/22.05/en/html/webservices.html#api-key-management-interface-for-patrons 08:02 marcelr yeah it is already there 08:02 marcelr we only have the cookie based stuff too 08:02 ashimema I assume you mean pki pauldetscheid 08:03 ashimema But I still don't see why that would be a requirement.. we don't require it for login in general, but do offer it I believe ... Can't say I've actually seen anyone using it in the wild though if I'm honest 08:04 ashimema What we do need however is to support more oauth flows 08:04 ashimema Our client credentials only flow isn't great 08:05 paulderscheid[m] Very cool 08:05 marcelr ashimema: i pqaed 29744 and simplied 31468 and made it dependent; could you have a look again? 08:05 paulderscheid[m] Good to know 08:05 marcelr s/simplied/simplified/ 08:06 ashimema This afternoon I can.. once I'm back from the school run I need to concentrate on writing a post for our new website.. lunchtime deadline 08:06 marcelr thx 08:07 paulderscheid[m] ashimema: I think we'll make use of that in the near future 08:08 paulderscheid[m] Anyway, thanks for the pointers. I'm glad that it's already there ^^ 08:13 paulderscheid[m] <ashimema> "What we do need however is to..." <- What's missing? 08:13 paulderscheid[m] Just out of curiosity 08:52 cait po files on Pootle have been updated (no string freeze announced yet I think) 08:53 lds hi 08:54 lds hello 08:54 lds do you have feedback on using mariadb 10.6 with koha? 08:56 cait hm no idea what we are using let me check 08:56 cait 10.3.34-MariaDB - no known issues, we always use what's in Debian I believe 09:00 lds jenkins test is ok https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.05_U22/ 09:03 fridolin it is not yet in https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_requirements_and_recommendations 09:03 fridolin maybe it should be 09:03 fridolin tuxayo: do you know about MariaDB 10.6 ? 09:11 mtj hi lds, we have a mariadb-latest build, that seems to be passing - running 10.9.2 09:12 mtj https://jenkins.koha-community.org/view/master/job/Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest/ 09:13 cait if you need a website update let me know 09:16 marcelr hi mtj did you see the Debian 9 bug 09:17 marcelr few days ago 09:17 mtj marcelr: yes, i updated the wiki page to remove EOL deb9 09:18 marcelr ok 09:18 marcelr that makes sense 09:18 marcelr should we announce that somewhere else too? 09:19 mtj yeah, i think so 09:20 mtj ML perhaps? 09:20 mtj ..and website 'news' item? 09:21 mtj lds, i'll change the U22 jenkins builds to use mariadb-10.6 09:24 mtj i think it is a good idea to have each OS build, running the DB version which is avaiable in it's repo 09:24 mtj ... rather than all builds running mariadb 10.3, etc 09:27 mtj that way we can test more db versions too 09:28 marcelr mtj: ML would be good 09:32 mtj ok, i can do that 09:33 marcelr mtj++ 09:33 marcelr i closed the bug 09:35 cait mtj: coudl you help me fix https://koha-community.org/download-koha/ ? 09:35 cait it lists debian 9 under Current Release 09:37 cait the link List of all released versions of Koha also seems not correctly labelled 09:37 cait released versions and packaged versions are different - also the link doesn't show all packages ever made.. 09:37 cait possibly shoudl be change dto https://download.koha-community.org/old_releases/ ? 09:38 mtj me looks 09:38 cait thanks :) 09:38 cait just saw "M... is currently editing" :) 09:45 marcelr ashimema++ 09:47 cait mtj++ 09:48 mtj cait: look ok? 10:01 ashimema erm 10:01 ashimema cait.. I can't replicate bug 31465 10:01 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31465 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 21.11 manual says it is 20.05 manual 10:02 ashimema hang on... 10:04 ashimema how are you getting to '/systempreferences.html'... it's 'globalpreferences.html' for me... 10:04 ashimema if I navigate around the manual I can't find a link page you link to from the bug anywhere.. 10:04 ashimema I'm confused 10:06 ashimema OK.. back in january 2021 I split up the one huge sysprefs file into smaller ones.. looks like that's when 'systempreferences' became 'globalpreferences' 10:11 cait ashimema: i just copied the link i used earlier... 10:11 cait not navigating 10:12 cait let me check 10:12 cait the link works for me: https://koha-community.org/manual/21.05/en/html/systempreferences.html 10:12 cait oh i see 10:12 cait maybe an old file was not deleted and that's all? 10:12 cait https://koha-community.org/manual/21.05/en/html/installation.html#web-installer is correct version-wise 10:13 ashimema exactly 10:13 ashimema I'm confused though.. the rsync is meant to get rid of deleted files 10:13 cait i had manipulated the url given on the bug trying a different version 10:13 ashimema I'm jsut building locally so try and work out what's going on. 10:13 cait ok 10:13 cait but maybe deleting them once woudl also be ok 10:13 ashimema I'll ask on the bug.. I'm wondering where the URL is coming from in the first place 10:14 ashimema I reckon it couldperhaps be at the koha help end 10:14 cait hm yeah 10:14 cait so we'd need to change different spots 10:14 cait make the page go away, but also fix the link 10:14 ashimema indeed 10:14 cait the mapping is in a .pm module 10:15 cait i recently added a link, but forgot the exact name 10:15 ashimema so the file doesn't exist when I build recent branches.. I have no idea how you don't get a 404 10:15 ashimema rsync must be doing something funky I reckon 10:15 cait https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha/src/branch/master/Koha/Manual.pm#L92 10:16 ashimema aha.. thans 10:16 ashimema I've never really dug into that area of Koha 10:16 ashimema fancy fixing it there and I'll QA it.. 10:17 ashimema I'll work on the rsync side 10:17 cait i'll step out for a quick lunch, bbiab 10:17 ashimema okies 10:17 cait probably won't get to do that today - long todo :( 10:19 ashimema rsync -c -u -r -e.. looks like we're missing --del 10:19 ashimema I'll ask ranig about it.. there might be something I'm overlooking 10:19 ashimema @seen rangi 10:19 huginn` ashimema: rangi was last seen in #koha 1 year, 13 weeks, 6 days, 13 hours, 51 minutes, and 1 second ago: <rangi> ive been accused of worse 10:19 ashimema holy moly 11:08 cait not much on IRC these days 11:55 lds mtj[m]: : thanks :) 11:55 lds I did some tests with mariadb 10.6 everything seems ok, the only thing that bothers me is that : https://jira.mariadb.org/browse/MDEV-28327 12:08 tcohen hola #koha 12:08 cait hola 12:22 ashimema Hi 12:22 wahanui hello, ashimema 12:37 ashimema would anyone mind if I stepped in and cleared the mreege request queue on the manual? 12:50 cait not me for sure :) 12:51 * ashimema is working through 12:51 tcohen ashimema++ 12:51 ashimema there are things in here that should really have gone in months ago 12:51 ashimema like carolines excellent work on the recalls docs 12:52 cait push them :) 12:52 cait apologize later ;) 12:52 ashimema 😛 13:04 ashimema right... 13:04 ashimema so I'm merging to the current branch.. so far everything has made sense to do so 13:05 ashimema so that's 22.05.. 13:05 ashimema what I've not done is backported.. with the backlog, I'm not sure if it's worthwhile going through or not honestly.. 13:05 ashimema I think we should draw a line and try and start the next cycle better regarding docs 13:06 mtj lds, the U22 jenkins tests are now using latest mariadb 10.6 (10.6.9) - but tests are not all passing (yet) 13:07 mtj master_u22 is green :) https://jenkins.koha-community.org/view/master/job/Koha_Master_U22 13:10 mtj lds, probably safer to go with ubuntu 20.04 LTS, and mariadb 10.3 13:10 mtj https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/mariadb-server 13:25 lds mtj: ok :) 13:26 lds mtj: mariadb 10.6 is LTS that's why I would like to install it on my park https://endoflife.date/mariadb 13:29 mtj lds: yep, but you want to install a version of mariadb that everyone is using 13:30 mtj ...rather than a newer version, that nobody is using 13:30 lds mtj: 13:30 lds mtj: I want to use a version that does not cause problems with koha :) 13:30 lds and I would like it to be consistent with the other software in my fleet that use 10.6 13:31 lds 10.6 exist since 1 year and 2 months .... 13:34 tuxayo mtj: is the problem about t/db_dependent/Koha/Items.t ? 13:34 tuxayo Or is this failure not related to Maria DB 10.6? 13:34 tuxayo hi lds :) 13:35 mtj tuxayo: i dont know either way 13:36 mtj lds: 21.05 with maria 10.6 is passing 13:36 mtj https://jenkins.koha-community.org/view/21.05/job/Koha_21.05_U22/ 13:36 tuxayo found, it's bug 31473 13:36 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31473 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Test about bad OpacHiddenItems conf fragile 13:37 tuxayo Which I backported to 21.05 which is why it's passing. 13:37 tuxayo However it's just a test fix. 13:38 tuxayo So there seems to be no know bug with Koha it self is it? 13:39 tuxayo lds: «10.6 exist since 1 year and 2 months ....» It's been a while we have passing tests on 10.6 if I recall correcly. 13:41 tuxayo mtj: Unless there is a known issue with MariaDB 10.6, the situation looks like to be we are waiting for the 1st large hoster to deploy 10.6 13:43 tuxayo > we have passing tests on 10.6 if I recall correcly. 13:43 tuxayo Ok, now it's even MariaDB 10.8 for main/master branch 13:44 mtj i guess we've been testing maria 10.6 on master-mdb-latest build, since july-2021 13:44 mtj .. until feb 2022 13:45 tuxayo Thanks, I wasn't able to see past the august build in the CI 13:46 tuxayo > .. until feb 2022 13:46 tuxayo Image probably switched to 10.7 13:46 tuxayo And then the Ubuntu 22.04 build took over I guess 13:46 mtj anyhoo.. u22 builds are now testing with maria-10.6, so we start testing it properly 13:47 mtj yeah, bump to 10.7 on 08 Feb 2022 13:47 mtj https://endoflife.date/mariadb 13:47 tuxayo I'm digging in the last 6 month of the tickets to find mariadb bugs and found nothing related to 10.6 13:48 tuxayo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MariaDB#Versioning 13:48 tuxayo 10.7 13:48 tuxayo 17 September 2021; 11 months ago 13:48 tuxayo The Wikipedia article and endoflife.date diverge 13:48 tuxayo ^^" 13:49 lds tuxayo: I deployed 10.6 on ephemeral instances 13:49 lds I did not notice any problems 13:49 lds I'm going to pass the demos in 10.6 I'll let you know if we find any problems 13:49 tuxayo Maybe wikipedia counts from the Release Candidate date and not the 13:49 tuxayo GA date 13:49 tuxayo lds: Don't expect to find any issue with basic usage of Koha 13:50 tuxayo If there is a 10.6 it should be sutble 13:50 tuxayo lds: oh, if that helps, a few months ago, I was running 10.6 locally when testing patches. 13:51 tuxayo I was running the mariadb lastest at that time 13:52 mtj tuxayo: looks like EOL website tracks 'stable' versions, not rc/alpha/beta 13:52 mtj https://mariadb.com/kb/en/changelogs-mariadb-106-series/ 13:52 mtj https://mariadb.com/kb/en/changelogs-mariadb-107-series/ 13:53 tuxayo mtj: ok so wikipedia article tracks at less useful date, good to know 13:53 tuxayo *a less 13:54 mtj lds, thanks for testing 10.6 - i think you will be ok :) 13:59 tuxayo mtj: I give up digging tickets ^^ So no known issues, tests show no issue in Koha for 21.11, I was using mariadb 10.6 a few month back to test patch without finding something. 13:59 tuxayo They can totally put it in a few moderate size production instances without really expecting trouble? What do you think? 13:59 mtj lds: the good news with maria10.6 is that its been tested with koha-master for 7-ish months 14:02 mtj tuxayo: i think it looks promising :) 14:08 tuxayo lds: So go for 10.6🚀 14:21 tuxayo You were not going to deploy your new containers to everyone anyway? 14:21 tuxayo lds: are you also upgrading to ubuntu 22.04? 14:22 tuxayo mtj «i think it is a good idea to have each OS build, running the DB version which is avaiable in it's repo» 14:22 tuxayo +1, need help to edit the CI jobs? 14:23 * ashimema hopes he hasn't broken gitlab... I now have rather a large number of manual builds running.. haha 14:26 tuxayo How large? Should we expect power outages in Europe already? :P 14:26 tuxayo âš¡ï¸ðŸ“ˆâš¡ï¸ 14:34 mtj tuxayo: no need to edit the jobs, build.pl handles the problem 14:34 tuxayo Cool, is this new? 14:35 mtj hmm, new-ish... 14:35 mtj https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/-/blob/master/jenkins_config/build.pl#L37 14:36 mtj aaah, we are missing u18 and u20 :) 14:42 tuxayo This is neat! 14:44 tuxayo mtj: so about the sysreq wikipage it's not enough for OSes and DBMS to extract it from the CI? I hoped it would have been that simple ^^ 14:45 cait tcohen++ 14:45 tcohen koha++ 15:01 reiveune bye 15:22 ashimema https://koha-community.org/manual/22.11/en/html/ now actually goes somewhere 🙂 15:45 tcohen ahismema++ 15:45 tcohen ashimema++ 15:46 ashimema 😀 15:48 caroline_catlady ashimema++ good news indeed! Thanks for merging 15:51 ashimema Pleasure.. sorry I failed to rebase one for you.. the others in was confident with but that one I couldn't quite work out 15:51 ashimema I'm contemplating standing for docs manager next cycle to help get this stuff more of a yellow brick road 15:56 caroline_catlady I was going to offer myself as tribute, but I think you're more reliable than me since you're always here. I get swamped in client migrations 16:15 cait ashimema++ 16:20 cait have a nice weekend all! 17:27 tuxayo caroline_catlady: hi :) 17:27 tuxayo Do you know something about the controversial design points of bug 17015 that block it? 17:27 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17015 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maryse.simard, Failed QA , New Koha Calendar 17:54 caroline_catlady tuxayo, not much. I know it is controversial and we basically abandoned it as part of community work. It is part of our own patch set since its inception, but I wasn't there at that time (I've "only" been with inlibro 5 years and this calendar has been around more than that lol!) so I don't know exactly what was the problem with the calendar to prompt a complete redesign. 18:44 tuxayo caroline_catlady thanks, which of your colleagues would know best about what blocks this? 18:44 caroline_catlady probably blou/Philippe Blouin he's our head of dev 19:10 tuxayo thanks!