Time Nick Message 16:36 oleonard Took me like 10 tries but KTD is working again... Such a prima donna... 16:26 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29768 normal, P5 - low, ---, emmi.takkinen, Failed QA , hidepatronname hides guarantor name on borrower edit screen 16:26 Putti ashimema, I was catching up with the IRC logs, saw the discussion about patron-title.inc. There's been some work on that in this bug: bug 29768 16:03 caroline [off] I just reopened Signal this morning and noticed that my notifications were somehow turned off... I thought it had been pretty quiet for a couple of months, lol! 16:00 oleonard Thanks caroline, I will be very happy to not be the only one on there :D 16:00 caroline oleonard++ for the wiki page! 15:28 oleonard I wonder if the latest version of Docker Desktop broke something for me. 15:26 oleonard Right now I'm the only one going XD 15:26 oleonard I have created one. https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon22_Social 15:13 cait haven't seen one 15:11 oleonard There's no KohaCon22 arrivals & departures page is there? 14:58 * oleonard updates koha-testing-docker 14:56 oleonard Why am I getting "koha-db-1 exited with code 1" over and over? 14:50 ashimema I'd love to see that area progress with the new UI stuff.. I think general consistency improvements like this will add to the whole thing 14:49 ashimema oh, cool 14:48 oleonard ashimema: I actually started some follow-up work, I'll see where I was at. 14:47 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31162 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Failed QA , Add a clear cataloguing module home page 14:47 oleonard Bug 31162 14:46 huginn` ashimema: Karma for "koha" has been increased 81 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 80. 14:46 ashimema @karma koha 14:46 ashimema koha++ 14:44 cait thx! 14:42 jajm cait: i think i'm done for today, you can reset the sandbox if you want 14:21 huginn` ashimema: The operation succeeded. 14:21 ashimema @later tell oleonard any chance of some magic on my follow-up for bug 31162.. I've realised I really need to go back to CSS or rather SCSS school 😜 14:07 lukeg hi 13:59 wahanui somebody said anyone was free to give it a shot :-) 13:59 tcohen anyone? 13:59 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30982 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Use the REST API for background job list view 13:59 tcohen bug 30982 13:41 jajm ok 13:40 cait can you post here when you are done with those? 13:39 cait orr... just started a new one, but will hold off testing a bit longer and update 13:38 jajm cait: i just submitted a new one, and i will look at the fieldset legend issue now, so maybe wait a little :) 13:36 cait jajm: safe to reset the sandbox or are you about to drop more patches any moment? :) 13:21 ashimema :tea: time 13:20 ashimema ah, okies 13:20 wahanui oleonard-away is away 13:20 tcohen ashimema: oleonard-away 13:18 ashimema oleonard still around? 12:57 cait +1 12:56 ashimema +1 12:56 tcohen I like the progress that's been made on the staff interface style revamp 12:55 ashimema totally agree.. it's another bug 12:55 ashimema yes 12:55 ashimema it would need a bit of iterating to get right.. I'm sure 12:55 cait it also might look a little similar to some other software 12:55 ashimema indeed.. 12:55 cait i think maybe more radical change are better in another iteration of our design 12:55 tcohen you could have the option to expand them 12:55 oleonard Consider also that GMail has three icons in the sidebar, we would have 14 12:54 ashimema I wouldn't do it with text.. it would be too wide 12:54 cait I am not a fan of icon only 12:54 ashimema a narrow, icons only (with hint text on hover of course) bar on the left side of the UI.. with a link to each enabled module 12:53 cait (i just heard collapsable) 12:53 cait I still don't get it... but collapsable sidebars woudl be nice :) 12:52 ashimema but I didn't want to do it whilst this UI style change was still in the air a bit 12:52 ashimema I was considering working on that.. may have even opened a bug about it already.. can't remember 12:52 ashimema or gmail's more recent UI changes 12:51 ashimema kinda like Ubuntu 12:51 tcohen :-D 12:51 ashimema we already have nice 'clear' icons for each module on the mainpage.. we could use those in a collapsible left side column 12:51 ashimema I've actually considered an iconbar on the left mysql 12:50 tcohen haha, I supposed 12:50 ashimema I think that's for another day.. 12:50 oleonard Strongly disagree. Librarians are already obsessed with saving clicks. 12:50 cait ? 12:49 tcohen having a ||| <- 90º flip on the top left, and display Circulation, Patrons, etc vertically on the left 12:49 tcohen it would mean one more click, though 12:48 oleonard :( 12:48 tcohen I've always felt our UI provides too many options 12:47 ashimema ? 12:47 tcohen should we hide the top bar/options? and use a menu icon to display them vertically? 12:42 ashimema yup 12:34 cait we ought to check well for side effects I guess 12:34 cait understandably 12:32 ashimema excellent.. that's the one that scared me.. hehe 12:32 cait he took on the quick add 12:32 ashimema nice 12:32 cait kidclamp++ providing patch for the second bad bug from QA mail :) 12:31 ashimema fair 12:31 cait click on... 12:31 cait the tabs on top are a known element, I also like the look of the 'pills' but not sure yet how I'd describe them writing instructions yet 12:30 ashimema agreed 12:30 cait I think the dark green border is 'too hard' somehow, too dominant 12:29 ashimema the consensus here was that the tabs do look out of place right now... but there wasn't a clear opinion on what to replace them with 12:29 ashimema agreed 12:29 oleonard I prefer the pills for the redesign, but what's most important to me is that we get some consensus before making the decision 12:28 ashimema but I'm not sure if Pills are right either 12:27 ashimema the tabs, as they stand, feel out of place to me now with the rest of the UI reworking.. 12:27 ashimema aha.. so we both spotted it.. 12:27 oleonard I mentioned it on the bug report 12:27 ashimema https://github.com/jajm/koha-staff-interface-redesign/issues/17 12:27 ashimema maybe it was me 12:26 ashimema Pills vs Tabs.. I think you raised it 12:26 * ashimema is still basically debating the proposal vs reality for this mock up: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10f17dQiuyDKLlYfWy_cIAl_oNubCghh9q746LeEPVy0/edit#slide=id.g1155f3a071f_0_161 12:26 oleonard Replacing tabs? 12:25 ashimema because cards were introduced in 4 12:25 ashimema ah, OK.. that's why we're not using bootstrap cards and instead adding our own card like css 12:23 ashimema I always forget what version of bootstrap we're actually using 12:23 ashimema well.. these happen to look the same in 4 and 5 12:23 * cait goes back to her inbox 12:23 ashimema ah yes 12:22 oleonard ashimema: I haven't looked at what things are going to look like in Bootstrap 5. we'll skip 4.x 12:22 ashimema that's just the reference bootstrap docs 12:22 cait oook, they just took a long while 12:22 cait the link you posted 12:22 ashimema huh.. images on what page cait? 12:21 ashimema with Checkouts, Holds, Claims etc 12:21 cait ashimema: images on that page are broken for me 12:21 ashimema for where we use a tabbed section on a page.. like the stuff at the bottom of borrower details pages 12:21 ashimema nope 12:21 * ashimema is contemplating something along the lines of https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.6/components/card/#navigation 12:20 oleonard In the header search? 12:20 ashimema oleonard, did I imagine a plan to replace jQuery UI tabs with Bootstrap nav stuff? 11:57 cait at the circulation desk, because you see the total worth of the books checked out and the credit on the account on the same screen 11:57 Kush cant we check membership fee against book cost? 11:57 tcohen and Koha has a payout option, for recording the transaction of giving out money 11:57 cait you could do it manually I guess 11:56 tcohen and the plugin would add a hook to compare the book price and the available credit 11:56 Kush I am not into development, so developing aplugin is not an option for me. 11:56 tcohen the deposit could be a credit 11:55 cait yes, that might be an idea 11:55 cait maybe depends on the coutnry 11:55 tcohen Maybe you can develop a plugin that intercepts check-outs 11:55 Kush in public libraries it is common, 11:54 Kush :( sad to hear that. its required in my library. 11:54 cait i think it's not a very common workflow in most libraries 11:54 cait but that#s not possible 11:54 cait I understood 11:53 Kush by deposit i mean Caution money deposited by the patron 11:53 marcelr when i go there, there is nothing 11:53 marcelr Nice: The item has not been checked in due to a configuration issue in your system. You must ask an administrator to take a look at the about page and correct all errors shown on the "System information" tab 11:53 cait the price of a book is shown in circulation, but only after it's checked out and there is no system for deposits 11:52 cait there is no automatism for htis 11:52 Kush I just want to know that is it possiblle in KOHA to check deposit money of a patron against the cost of the book which is about to be issued. And if the deposited amount is less than the book cost then check-out must be stopped 11:51 cait just ask, if someone knows, thery will answer 11:50 Kush I am new to KOHA and have a little query, hope any of you will help me out. 11:49 marcelr o/ 11:49 Kush Hello Everyone 11:49 marcelr dump_your_db++ 11:49 marcelr or if i should just reinstall 11:49 marcelr might be interesting to see if this triggers other people 11:48 marcelr no hints whatsoever just suffering :) 11:47 tcohen marcelr: interesting, any hints on how to reproduce it? 11:44 marcelr DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::mysql::_exec_svp_release(): DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::db do failed: SAVEPOINT savepoint_0 does not exist at /usr/share/koha/Koha/Object.pm line 170 at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/Exception.pm line 77 11:44 marcelr tcohen: the following crash I have seen since a few days in master (not investigated yet, just observing) 11:41 cait using a different font for headings seems to be done a lot 11:40 cait oleonard: i like the idea, i think i had suggested it somewhere too 11:36 tcohen I think buttons and maybe menues could use a nice default font that looks fresh 11:35 oleonard I think there is something to be said for using a custom font for *some* elements at least, to help it look new 11:34 marcelr I like nice defaults 11:34 tcohen :-P 11:33 tcohen it needs to be a serif font for text blocks... sorry... 11:33 cait everyone can still chnge...b ut we need to find a nice default 11:33 cait heh 11:32 tcohen ROboto++ 11:32 marcelr Calibri++ 11:32 marcelr sounds like a In Discussion :) 11:31 cait :P 11:31 cait i like it with Arial 11:31 tcohen it looks really nice with line-height: 20px 11:30 oleonard Another option is to use the custom font for larger elements, perhaps header elements and headings, and a common or system font for "content" 11:29 cait i am open too, but I think the concerns raised are valid and we should address 11:28 marcelr o/ 11:28 cait so maybe we need to pick another font or play witht he font weight? 11:28 oleonard ...and none of that is said with any judgement. I don't know what the right choice is. 11:28 cait thinking of screenshots and manuals a systemfont might create inconsistency tehre 11:28 oleonard Going with a system font would guarantee that all platforms looked different. 11:28 cait true.... 11:27 oleonard The idea of using a web font is consistency... We know more or less what people are going to get regardless of the platform. Using a common font like Arial offers *some* consistency, but it's not universal. 11:21 cait I like the idea of using a system font - that might resolve those issues for good? 11:21 cait oleonard: yeah, the coworkers here have it all too - at least that makes it somewhat... consistent 11:20 oleonard I have no idea what's going on there 11:20 oleonard cait I don't think I followed up with you about it, but I saw the numbers problem too when I looked on Windows 11:16 cait has screenshot too 11:16 cait Discussion is here: https://github.com/jajm/koha-staff-interface-redesign/issues/20 11:16 cait so if you are looking at results for example 11:16 cait the font picked 11:16 cait tcohen: we'd say too small, but it doesn't work well for bold I think 11:11 tcohen things look at bit packed 11:11 tcohen is the font size... big? 11:05 ashimema walk time.. bbiab 11:05 * ashimema likes 11:04 cait https://staff-gui.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/ if someone want sto have a look 11:03 cait jajm: latst sandbox attempt has worked :) 11:03 cait not so easy to test maybe, I can help with records if needed (we have several libraries with original script) 11:03 cait for original script, it won't display or display not as it should, since the fields are no longer 880 but the 'normal' ones 11:02 cait it's affecting display in the result list IIUC 11:02 tcohen hola :-D 11:02 tcohen yes 11:02 cait the 880 one? 11:01 cait jajm: patchs applied now 10:59 * tcohen got worried about dcook's email, didn't know there was a problem in master 10:58 tcohen hola #koha 10:53 cait tickets for me... but hope to get another look at the sandbox later 10:52 ashimema right now I need to dig back into a sandbox again 10:52 ashimema I couldn't wrap my head around it though.. may revisit later 10:52 ashimema indeed 10:51 cait and have empty cardnumbers and such.. no good 10:51 cait because you might not realize you lost the data 10:51 cait yeah, ther are other open issues, but this one is specially bad I think 10:51 ashimema all seems to be at template level 10:51 ashimema it's weird and confusing to work out what it's doing 10:51 ashimema I looked at the quick add patron one too.. baffled by that code 10:51 cait :) 10:50 ashimema boost my numbers 10:50 ashimema thought I'd work through a few 😜 10:50 cait ashimema++ thx for the diff view patch 10:49 cait I'd really like to get the font issue resolved to a good solution and maybe font size - the most first feedback I heard was it's harder to read/smaller (which is easy to resolve actually I guess, but we need to figure out the how) 10:41 oleonard Hi #koha 10:26 jajm thanks, and yes feedback is really great and positive, so thanks for that too :) 10:24 ashimema you're doing a great job being responsive jajm 10:24 ashimema hopefully our feedback is coming across positive.. I'm really liking this and want to get it through 🙂 10:24 ashimema jajm++ 10:16 jajm cait: rebase done 09:55 cait yeah... you could try to track if it was checked in without being checkout out... (picked off the shelf) for triggering the hold, but not easy to write that one 09:54 tundunf I'll look into it! thank you :) 09:50 ashimema in short.. it wouldn't be at all trivial 😜 09:49 ashimema tundunf, you might be able to get at that data if you have circulation action logs enabled.. you'd need to compare dates the hold was placed and checkout/checkin dates for the same item.. 09:49 cait and having a sandbox we can share around for opinions easier 09:48 cait was trying to see if I coudl test your latest follow-ups 09:48 cait heh, didn't need to tell the bug, sorry, in between things 09:48 jajm ah ok thanks for telling me, rebasing right now :) 09:47 cait some trouble with resetting the sandbox - maybe a conflict 09:46 jajm cait: yes 09:45 cait jajm: around? 09:38 tundunf ok, thanks so much! 09:35 cait but in the requests table you don't have an indicator 09:35 cait like if you have closed stacks... 09:35 cait in reporting probably not, unless you can use something like the itemtype 09:34 tundunf We've enabled on-shelf requests in the circulation rules but my colleagues are wondering if they would be able to separate them from standard holds when reporting 09:34 tundunf Ah I see, sorry I should have been more specific - I was wondering if, in terms of reporting, Koha would distinguish between an onshelf request and a regular hold 09:14 cait on-shelf requests will show up in the 2 hold reports holds queue and holds to pull on the circulation start page - so you can go get them off the shelf for the patrons if your library offers that service 09:13 cait if you look at administration > circulation rules, youc an set up if something can be requested while it's on shelf or not if not 09:13 cait tundunf: it's all a 'hold' in Koha but there are different workflows 09:12 * cait waves 08:49 tundunf might be a silly question, but does anyone know if koha is able to differentiate between standard holds and on-shelf holds? 08:45 tuxayo Hi all :) 08:42 tundunf hi everyone 06:56 wahanui niihau, reiveune 06:56 reiveune hello 06:54 magnuse \o/ 06:50 alex_ Bonjour 01:48 milktoast probably just human error 01:47 milktoast only getting in the DB was I able to see my account's ID... 01:46 milktoast agreed 01:41 tuxayo That's still a mystery about what went wrong with the onboarding that messed the superlibrarian creation 01:40 tuxayo Great :D 01:40 tuxayo > I'm in 01:40 tuxayo userid collumn, right? 01:40 tuxayo > and it ended up being "academymaintenance.maintenance" 01:39 milktoast OK, I'm in... thanks for the help 01:27 milktoast I got in by looking at the DB and seeing my user name as MORE than I typed... I thought it was "koha_library" and it ended up being "academymaintenance.maintenance" 01:21 milktoast I'm looking at the DB and the Admin has "null" for user ID and Password 00:47 tuxayo That's why you need another Koha where you can log in. And copy the password hash of the user that works. 00:47 tuxayo The password is hashed (thankfully) 00:47 tuxayo You can't use the same Koha 00:46 milktoast I'll look at the DB to see the and copy the password 00:45 milktoast yea... thats why I'm hitting my head on a wall 00:44 tuxayo There is not much that can go wrong if you do the onboarding, create the user and immediately try to log in. 00:44 tuxayo If you see the staff login form on the same URL you did the onboarding then it's okay on that side. 00:43 milktoast and I'm on the PC using 127.0.1.1 address 00:43 tuxayo IIRC you already have other Kohas working, so it's would be to crack the access via the DB to copy the password hash from another of your Kohas 00:42 tuxayo milktoast: That's weird. No idea about the cause. You can drop and recreate the DB and do the onboarding process again. Or check another instance of yours DB, where login works, copy the password field from the borrowers table to your physical Koha and see if it still doesn't work. 00:42 tuxayo milktoast_: That's weird. No idea about the cause. You can drop and recreate the DB and do the onboarding process again. Or check another instance of yours DB, where login works, copy the password field from the borrowers table to your physical Koha and see if it still doesn't work. 00:38 milktoast_ anything I can look into to see what is causing this? 00:36 milktoast library branch was set to "All" 00:35 milktoast now it just says "Error: Invalid username or password" 00:34 milktoast I made a copy of all my settings... user, password Card number Patron category Username: koha_library Password 00:33 milktoast correct 00:32 tuxayo milktoast: So you went through the onboarding process, created a staff user and the credentials that you set for it don't work? 00:30 milktoast Patron category: staff 00:30 tuxayo Have you went through the onboarding process? 00:29 milktoast staff 00:29 milktoast it says this "Error: Invalid username or password" 00:29 tuxayo Is it staff or OPAC? 00:29 tuxayo Do you see the form? 00:29 tuxayo milktoast: What do you mean "I can't log in" ? 00:29 milktoast have I missed something 00:28 milktoast I just installed my first koha on a physical PC... I got through all steps and now I'm at the web log in page... and I can't log in ... I tried the port 80 and port 8099