Time  Nick             Message
06:11 reiveune         hello
06:41 cait1            good morning #koha
06:42 matts_           hi #koha !
06:42 alex_            Bonjour
06:42 wahanui          bonjour, alex_
07:31 magnuse          \o/
07:41 paulderscheid[m] morning #koha
08:27 ashimema         mornin'
09:20 marcelr          o/
09:21 marcelr          ashimema yet another 2fa patch set ready for qa (30588)
09:24 cait1            morning all, quite a crowd today :)
09:24 ashimema         hi
09:24 wahanui          hey, ashimema
09:29 marcelr          hi cait
10:42 oleonard         Hi #koha
10:47 marcelr          o/
11:01 * cait1          waves
11:09 tcohen           hola #koha
11:16 cait1            hola tcohen :) back home?
11:21 tcohen           yes!
11:21 tcohen           @later tell marcelr please check my follow-up bug for background jobs
11:21 huginn`          tcohen: The operation succeeded.
12:07 marcelr          hola tcohen
12:09 marcelr          tcohen which follow-up bug did you mean ?
12:09 marcelr          for background jovbs
12:09 marcelr          jpbs
12:09 marcelr          jobs
12:09 marcelr          :)
12:10 marcelr          driemaal is scheeprecht
12:10 marcelr          scheepsrecht
12:11 cait1            dreimal ist...
12:11 cait1            aaaah alter guten Dinge sind drei
12:13 marcelr          right
12:13 cait1            all good things come in threes
12:13 cait1            sorry, I got curious :)
12:26 ashimema         I'll swap bug 30588 for bug 31373 marcelr.. 😜
12:26 huginn`          Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30588 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Add the option to require 2FA setup on first staff login
12:26 huginn`          Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31373 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Notice template validation is missing INCLUDE_PATH
12:26 ashimema         think that's a pretty good deal for you 😜
12:26 marcelr          i like good deals
12:27 marcelr          will have a look
12:27 ashimema         basically a refactor in the end rather than the base bugfix.. Joubu got grumpy so I refactored it for the better.
12:27 * ashimema       does understand the grump.. it's much nicer now
12:27 marcelr          cool
12:28 ashimema         funny.. I thought I'd already QA'd bug 30588
12:28 ashimema         doh!
12:28 marcelr          i added a few follow-ups to make your work easier :)
12:29 ashimema         nice one
12:29 marcelr          the last one is the most vital
12:31 ashimema         hmm `# FIXME Raise an exception if the syspref is disabled`
12:31 ashimema         smells a little
12:33 marcelr          i dont think that is really in the scope of this bug?
12:33 ashimema         agreed.. not sure why the FIXME was introduced here though.
12:33 marcelr          does the controller take cahre of it ?
12:33 marcelr          care
12:34 ashimema         pass.. still code reading at the minute.. not got that far yet 😜
12:34 marcelr          :q
12:34 marcelr          :)
12:34 marcelr          vim
12:43 cait1            jajm++
12:57 lds              hi
12:57 lds              Joubu is on vacation?
12:57 marcelr          ashimema: yes, i liked the follow-up too on 31373
12:58 cait1            ashimema: could we delete oneof the sandboxes? I'd like to try and spin up a new one with jajm's recent fixes
12:58 cait1            https://sandboxes.biblibre.eu (maximum number reached)
13:01 marcelr          patron-title is a horrible include btw
13:10 ashimema         yup
13:11 ashimema         I'm no longer useing any of them cait1
13:11 ashimema         feel free to nuke
13:11 ashimema         yes.. patron-title.inc is scary marcelr
13:11 ashimema         that's one that's been on my list to refactor for a while..
13:11 ashimema         well.. to move to a pref really..
13:11 ashimema         and perhaps use a TT to get formatting
13:11 marcelr          yeah it was the exmple in the test plan; but it is easy to crash koha with it
13:12 marcelr          missing objects tec
13:12 marcelr          etc
13:12 marcelr          man
13:12 marcelr          need to type all things 3x
13:12 marcelr          dump this keyboard !
13:12 ashimema         lol
13:13 ashimema         I can highly recommend the logitech mx keys if your into wireless keyboards with scissor switches 😜
13:13 ashimema         tomas and I both use one
13:13 marcelr          cool
13:13 ashimema         easy on the fingers, long battery life
13:13 marcelr          this is a dell one
13:16 cait1            ashimema: it might be nice if it had as hort and a long form as options (if it hasn't yet)
13:16 cait1            patron-title-- thing
13:16 ashimema         it does
13:16 ashimema         it has too many options
13:16 ashimema         that's half the issue
13:17 ashimema         you can pass all sorts to it to get short, long, linked, forwards, backwards, inside out, with cardnumber, with userid.. etc etc
13:18 ashimema         there's a whole bunch of bugs about it.
13:19 marcelr          yeah the problem especially is use it with or without an Koha object
13:19 cait1            right, maybe also need a guideline then
13:19 ashimema         yup
13:20 ashimema         there are other horror .inc's too
13:27 cait1            jajm: around?
13:29 jajm             cait1: yes
13:32 cait1            jajm: i wanted to try the sandbox but something is wrong witht he CSS on it
13:33 ashimema         did you rebuild the css cait1
13:33 ashimema         I found you had to
13:36 jajm             cait1: what ashimema just said: on the sandboxes main page : Actions > Build CSS
13:40 cait1            i did that
13:40 cait1            sorry
13:40 cait1            i wrote it ont he bug
13:41 cait1            it claimes to have finished
13:41 cait1            but it doesn't look like it
13:41 cait1            jajm: ^
13:41 ashimema         did you also flush your cache
13:41 cait1            orrr... ok, i thought i did that
13:41 cait1            it looks much better now, sorry for the noise
13:46 ashimema         🙂
13:47 tcohen           marcelr: for background jobs
17:02 reiveune         bye
18:43 fridolin         yellow
18:44 cait             i don't know what the right reply is... blue?
18:57 tcohen           The answer is
18:57 tcohen           'hallo'
18:58 bag              Colors are overrated
18:58 tcohen           LOL
19:37 cait             :)
19:55 caroline         Hi all! Where does Koha take the "credit.description" in the ACCOUNT_CREDIT slip?   [% PROCESS account_type_description account=credit %] [%- IF credit.description %], [% credit.description | html %][% END %]
19:55 cait             what do you mean with where?
19:55 caroline         is it in the db? in accounts.inc?
19:55 caroline         "Payment" turns up in English, but I don't know where the string is...
19:55 cait             aaah yes
19:56 cait             it's in the db
19:56 cait             but...hm
19:56 caroline         and can we translate it or it will break Koha?
19:56 cait             i did translate it and nothing broke so far
19:56 cait             but there is a way to display those nicely in the templates
19:56 cait             which i thought this woudl do, so that's what surprises me
19:56 cait             I think it shoudl only give you the english if it doesn't find a proper one
19:57 cait             ashimema: ?
19:57 cait             caroline: but you need to do it with SQL, the gui doesn't permit for it
19:57 caroline         did you translate account_offset_types?
19:58 cait             i tihnk i translated the debit types and credit types
19:58 caroline         it seems risky
19:58 cait             not the offsets
19:58 caroline         The credit/debit types are translated in my installation
19:58 caroline         but Payment is still in english
19:58 cait             hmm
19:58 cait             what if it thinks it has to use English?
19:59 cait             default language of the patron or something like that?
19:59 caroline         The rest of the letter is in French, only Payment is in English
19:59 cait             yeah, but that woudl use an include
19:59 cait             we'd really need ashimema i gues
19:59 caroline         let me check if the user has a preferred language
20:00 caroline         probably late for ashimema... isn't it the evening in your parts?
20:00 cait             it is
20:00 cait             wonder where the time has gone today
20:01 ashimema         Er...
20:01 ashimema         If it's a core type, it's translated in the templates
20:01 cait             Payment? :)
20:01 caroline         i'd say payment is pretty core :)
20:01 ashimema         If it's a local type your stuck with the description in the table..
20:02 ashimema         Waiting for AV translations code to finally get finished then we can use that
20:02 cait             the table is translated
20:02 cait             so... that can not be it
20:02 ashimema         Payment is indeed core.. it should be in your template to register
20:02 ashimema         Translate.. even
20:02 cait             could it use a wrong include?
20:02 ashimema         Sorry, on phone from scouts
20:02 ashimema         Pass
20:03 ashimema         Are you in a notice?
20:03 caroline         it's not urgent ashimema, take care of your cubs :)
20:03 ashimema         If it's in a notice it's up to what include you've included
20:04 ashimema         Scouts tonight ;).. climbing group tomorrow is cubs though I think
20:04 cait             caroline: what does your line in the notice read completley?
20:05 cait             could credit_description be from accountlines?
20:05 ashimema         And yes.. notices 'should' take the patrons language
20:05 pastebot         "caroline" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ACCOUNT_CREDIT notice content" (50 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/14355
20:05 ashimema         If it's using the include you'll see a PROCESS somewhere near the top of your template
20:06 caroline         yep the process include thing is there
20:06 cait             ashimema: i thin I was wrong, you should see the description translated from the process bit, right?
20:06 cait             but what is this? % credit.description | html %]
20:06 cait             it's right after the process
20:06 ashimema         [% PROCESS account_type_description account=credit %]
20:06 caroline         Also, I don't have TranslateNotices syspref turned on
20:06 ashimema         That bit
20:06 ashimema         Oh
20:07 ashimema         Pass
20:07 cait             caroline: could you check if "Payment" is in the description field for this entry in accountlines?
20:08 cait             maybe it's not translated because it's the actual text in there
20:10 caroline         borrowers.lang is set to default (TranslateNotices is off, so no way to change it anyway)
20:14 caroline         The transaction type in boraccount is in french "Paiement" https://snipboard.io/5wZl7p.jpg
20:16 caroline         When I click "Print" from boraccount.pl https://snipboard.io/o3q5Vl.jpg
20:16 cait             what's in administration > credit types?
20:16 caroline         I'll try changing the borrowers.lang manually in the db, just to see if it changes anything
20:17 caroline         Paiement (french) https://snipboard.io/19FEDg.jpg
20:17 cait             truely mysterious
20:18 milktoast        maybe a repeat.... has anyone exported from "Primasoft Handy Library Manager" and then imported into Koha?
20:18 cait             sorry, haven't heard of that software so far
20:18 milktoast        that is what I'd like to do
20:18 caroline         fr-CA in borrowers.lang doesn't change anything
20:18 cait             maybe try the mailing list if you haven't yet - lots more people reading there
20:19 cait             caroline: which interface language are you using?
20:19 milktoast        ok, thanks
20:19 cait             when triggering the print?
20:19 cait             (I assume it's the one from boraccount?)
20:19 caroline         fr-CA interface
20:19 cait             gah.
20:19 caroline         yes I,m in boraccount, the little print button on the right of the transaction line
20:19 cait             maybe some code digging needed :(
20:20 caroline         is yours translated cait?
20:20 cait             can only reach a 20.11 right now
20:20 cait             but i can have a look there
20:20 milktoast        where can I find the mailing list?
20:20 wahanui          well, the mailing list is a good idea. Thanks.
20:20 caroline         mine is 21.05
20:21 milktoast        found it
20:22 cait             caroline: my emplate is totally broken, will try to fix
20:23 cait             it's payment for me too
20:24 caroline         I will try changing the account_offset_types in my dev db, just to check
20:24 cait             sorry, I was looking at English tempates, looking at Germans it's Zahung
20:24 cait             so it goes with the GUI the staff member uses -
20:24 caroline         Ok, so it's translatable *somewhere*
20:25 cait             do yo uhave any other language installed?
20:25 caroline         only english, but I can install more to try
20:25 cait             maybe try german? it should be complete, just to rule out a translation issue
20:26 cait             before you change the offsets...
20:27 cait             select * from account_credit_types; ?
20:27 cait             I wonder if Koha displays what is in the db or if it also uses the include
20:27 caroline         I tried the offsets and it didn't change it
20:27 cait             in the table in administration...
20:27 caroline         ah, facepalm, I jts realized I was trying in anoth db... ugh, let me try again
20:29 pastebot         "caroline" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "account_offset_types" (16 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/14356
20:29 cait             oh no :(
20:29 cait             I feel you
20:30 caroline         changing account_offset_types *in the correct db* didn't work either :)
20:30 caroline         I'll try installing German
20:35 caroline         "Payment" is still in english! The part at the top of the print says Beleg drucken fur 2206, the notice is in french (because TranslateNotices is off) and Payment is in English
20:36 cait             ugh
20:36 cait             sorry; I've run out of ideas now :(
20:36 cait             hope you figure it out, heading to bed
20:36 cait             good night #koha
20:36 caroline         Its not the end of the world, I mean unless you have really good eyes or are looking for it, Payment and Paiement are pretty similar, but I'm taking it personally now XD
20:42 tuxayo           tcohen, davidnind around? To have Wednesday's meeting page created. Who else knows how to do that right?
20:43 tuxayo           caroline: hi :) Any clues about who can create the meeting wikipages?
20:44 caroline         tuxayo, not sure... ashimema and Joubu are my go-to for meeting scripts
20:44 caroline         I don't think they are around right now, it's pretty late
20:45 tuxayo           Great, that doubles the list of people who can :D
20:46 caroline         Were the minutes created from the last meeting? I though the same script did all that
20:46 caroline         *thought
20:53 davidnind[m]     tuxayo: will look now, I haven't run the meeting script for a while....
20:54 tuxayo           Thanks davidnind :)
20:56 tuxayo           caroline: The minutes are always created and link is left in the chat log. But I think the script adds them to the wikipage and create the page for the next meeting. Part of the last meeting agenda was postponed and I have to put it for the next meeting.
20:56 caroline         you're right, I forgot!
21:30 davidnind[m]     tuxayo: the script partly worked for me - I'll manually update the calendar, the agenda is here https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_September_2022
21:35 davidnind[m]     tuxayo: meeting now added to the Koha Community calendar
21:44 tuxayo           davidnind++