Time  Nick             Message
04:19 tuxayo           2FA:
04:19 tuxayo           > We recommend cloud-based mobile authenticator apps such as Authy, Duo Mobile, and LastPass. They can restore access if you lose your hardware device.
04:20 tuxayo           wow, aren't we defeating the point in part of 2FA if an eternal service also has the 2nd factor?
04:26 tuxayo           If a staff member is locked outside, they can just show up in person to a colleague with the permission to reset the auth can't they?
04:26 tuxayo           2FA for librarians looks like one of the contexts where being locked outside is the least a problem. Making disproportionate the recommend non-libre apps that copy on a server the 2nd factor secret.
04:26 tuxayo           Maybe I missed something, first time testing 2FA
04:33 wajasu           i've had a work environment where i had the phone for the second factor.  but then i added the duo app to a second device(laptop). then if the phone died, i had another device to get in.
04:34 wajasu           but yes, you need some superlibrarian or auth person reset your account without the other means.
04:55 tuxayo           wajasu: for those cases, there are recovery code in other 2FA implementation.
04:55 tuxayo           But I get it they could be not noted or lost.
04:55 tuxayo           I get that one can be saved by having a backup on a server. But for a librarian, the value is very limited. And the consequence is that we recommend non libre apps. So it looks disproportionate for a limited value.
04:55 tuxayo           And all 3 have trackers
04:55 tuxayo           https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/fr/reports/com.lastpass.lpandroid/latest/
04:55 tuxayo           https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/fr/reports/com.authy.authy/latest/
04:55 tuxayo           https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/fr/reports/com.duosecurity.duomobile/latest/
05:19 wajasu           from what i can tell all DNS domains will have certs. all email servers will need DMARC, SPF, etc linked to those domains. and the auth providers (Cert auths, 2FA folks, Oauth) etc will lockdown most of the internet so no anonymous people.
05:20 wajasu           so much for searching for book.  wrong query, get a visit. :)
05:21 wajasu           browsers warn about unsecure...  but soon wont let unsecure sites when it hits critical mass.
05:24 wajasu           i guess no opacheader preference in 22.05, so i will need to put my logo in htdocs/../images directory and use JS/CSS to put it in the header.
05:25 wajasu           there are video from a a RALIMITS on you tube that should ids like opacheader inthe news dropdown, but that may have been taken away.
05:25 wajasu           i guess i need to read the koha docs :)
06:31 reiveune         hello
06:36 marcelr          hi #koha
06:43 paulderscheid[m] Morning #koha
07:00 Joubu            @later tell oleonard could you have a look at bug 31217 as well?
07:00 huginn           Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:07 * cait1          waves
10:09 marcelr          o/
10:09 cait1            hi marcelr
10:10 cait1            how is the temperature in Amsterdam today?
10:10 marcelr          cold
10:10 marcelr          16-17
10:11 marcelr          even 18
10:21 cait1            ah, that's cool :)
10:33 oleonard-away    Hi all
10:42 marcelr          hi oleonard
10:42 wahanui          hi oleopard
10:45 oleonard         I'm curious if anyone saw my work in progress branch with followups to Bug 30952
10:45 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30952 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , New interface for staff client
10:45 oleonard         Or maybe my comment on the bug didn't go through??
10:45 oleonard         >:(
10:50 oleonard         https://gitlab.com/koha-dev/koha-dev/-/commits/wip-bug-30952-staff-redesign
10:50 oleonard         If anyone is interested.
11:00 Joubu            oleonard: are they applied on the sandbox?
11:01 oleonard         No
11:01 Joubu            jajm: could you apply them maybe?
11:02 oleonard         jajm has made a lot of follow-ups which are template changes. The work I was doing at the same time takes a completely different approach.
11:02 oleonard         They're alternate paths forward, although jajm's work is a logical next step after mine if folks want to take that approach
11:09 jajm             oleonard: i think your commit "Reducing template file changes" is not useful anymore, i already removed all unnecessary template changes... :/
11:09 jajm             oleonard: why "Undo change to Home breadcrumb" ? the home icon is on the design documents everyone agreed on
11:10 oleonard         I reimplement it using CSS, eliminating the need for the template change
11:10 jajm             oh i see... yeah that's better :)
11:12 jajm             i'll apply your last two patches to my branch and to the sandbox
11:30 tcohen           hi all
11:48 kohaje           hello guys, is there any option to import batch serials subscriptions into Koha?
11:49 kohaje           such as same serials with same periodicity but as batch not single one by one
11:51 oleonard         I don't think there is, kohaje
11:54 kohaje           me neirter due to too much specific parameters
11:54 kohaje           *neither
11:55 kohaje           but not sure about that, it would be very helpful
12:30 cait1            kohaje: subscriptions are handled very differently betweeen systems, there is not really a standard or so that would make it easy to exchange
12:30 cait1            you can duplicate existing subscrpitions and there is also a limited batch editing function
13:01 marcelr          @later tell lukeg please have a look at bug 12758 and 31250
13:01 huginn           marcelr: The operation succeeded.
13:15 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 31246: <span> displayed in 'Additional fields' section <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a7272f988679904d3f018550a73719fc102b3425>
13:15 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 31244: Fix 500 if logout and not logged in <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ae5454b01f2a5cfac105b056bc2a8d72ac444a8>
13:26 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #43: SUCCESS in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_ES7/43/
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13:45 alohabot         🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo  🍮🌮🥓
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14:02 oleonard         Anyone else finding that Bugzilla emails are really slow to arrive?
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14:09 cait1            i don't know, but I have seen the same
14:09 cait1            horus later in some cases
14:09 cait1            oleonard:
14:12 oleonard         Weird.
14:14 cait1            yes
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14:56 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
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14:56 wahanui          Congratulations!
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15:05 reiveune         bye
15:10 lavamind         hello koha
15:10 lavamind         I'm setting an experimental multi-tenant koha install on Debian an am ironing out a few things
15:11 oleonard         Not many folks around at this time of day lavamind but you can try us
15:11 lavamind         I installed the fr-FR and fr-CA language packs using koha-translate, but for some reason "Advanced search" and "Item search" are not translated on the main menu
15:11 lavamind         this is with 21.22.09
15:11 lavamind         err 22.11.09
15:11 lavamind         gotcha oleonard
15:12 lavamind         the rest of the app seems translated fine
15:12 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #44: SUCCESS in 8 min 14 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_ES7/44/
15:20 oleonard         Sorry lavamind I can't reproduce your problem in my test system
15:21 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D11_ES6 build #42: SUCCESS in 8 min 16 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_ES6/42/
15:25 Joubu            lavamind: maybe the strings are not translated on our translation platform?
15:25 Joubu            https://translate.koha-community.org/projects/
15:37 lavamind         it is, in fact, translated: misc/translator/po/fr-CA-staff-prog.po:msgstr "Recherche avancée"
15:38 lavamind         and it's only 2 main menu items, not all, really weird
15:39 lavamind         I'm not able to search on https://translate.koha-community.org/ the spinner just spins endlessly
15:39 caroline         lavamind, it happens. I usually just close the tab and start again from the beginning
15:41 caroline         If the string is translated in the .po and you don't see it in the interface, I think you have to do ./translate install fr-CA (I'm never sure of the exact command, but it's either install or update)
15:42 lavamind         yeah I tried update already
15:42 lavamind         no change
15:42 lavamind         opening the URL in a private browsing window, no change
15:42 lavamind         lets see with another browser
15:43 lavamind         same issue in chromium, hrmm
15:44 caroline         which version are you using again? 22.11.09 is not an existing version afaik
15:45 lavamind         caroline:
15:45 lavamind         oh maybe its related to that error with koha-translate, it appears at the end Connection to the memcached servers '__MEMCACHED_SERVERS__' failed.
15:46 lavamind         maybe something is stuck in memcached ?
15:46 lavamind         I tried restarting it already
15:46 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D12 build #223: SUCCESS in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D12/223/
15:48 lavamind         echo 'flush_all' | nc localhost 11211
15:48 lavamind         returned OK, but not change
15:49 lavamind         I'll reinstall the instance to see
15:50 caroline         Weird, I can't search staff-prog for 21.11 either on Pootle... Search works fine for 21.05 and 22.05
15:52 caroline         I downloaded the file for fr-CA-staff-prog for 21.11 and noticed the strings for "Advanced search" are marked as "fuzzy". That means they will appears in English in the staff interface
15:53 caroline         lavamind, if you have access to the .po file, just remove the "fuzzy" comment before the string
15:53 caroline         Then install or update and it should appear in French
15:53 lavamind         caroline: aah I see, thanks, I'll try it right away
15:56 lavamind         hah, I'm hitting another bug now due to the instance being reinstalled
15:57 lavamind         my script runs /usr/share/koha/bin/devel/create_superlibrarian.pl
15:57 lavamind         and that is aborting due to DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'me.reset_password' in 'field list' at /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/Patron.pm line 423
15:58 lavamind         that could be due to my default tar.gz database being from a 18.05 instance
15:59 lavamind         wouldn't "koha-upgrade-schema instancename" be sufficient to upgrade the database from 80.05 to 21.11 ?
15:59 lavamind         err 18.05
16:12 lavamind         caroline: removing the # fuzzy comment worked
16:12 lavamind         thank you!!
16:13 caroline         woot!
16:14 lavamind         it seems like when I deploy a new instance with a DEFAULTSQL from 18.05, the database schema is automaticaly upgraded unless /var/lib/koha/instancename exists
16:15 caroline         In this case, the translation was still correct, but fuzzys indicate that the original string was changed or that Pootle tried to guess what the translation might be by copying a similar one. So they need to be checked by a human
16:18 lavamind         maybe I could help with that
16:18 lavamind         I have another question
16:19 lavamind         the multi-tenant instance I'm setting up is for a teacher that uses it for labs
16:20 lavamind         they learn basic stuff like catalog, patron management, etc
16:20 lavamind         I'm wondering if the REST api is still useful in that context, like if the webpages sometime run queries against the api
16:21 lavamind         or if the REST api is really only useful with external stuff
16:22 lavamind         I'm asking because Koha::REST::V1 changed quite a bit since 18.05 in ways that makes mojolicious unhappy (eg. uninitializer logger crashes at startup)
16:23 lavamind         so right now I'm instantiating koha in mojolicous but without REST support
16:24 lavamind         gah let me answer my own question, yes, the JS is full of ajax calls to /api :P
16:26 caroline         I was going to say that I'm not really knowledgable in that area, but I'm pretty sure the API is used internally, just based on some bugs that I remembered like 27251
16:27 caroline         bug 27251
16:27 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27251 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, CLOSED FIXED, Rewrite the QOTD editor using the Koha REST API
17:00 tmcmahon         I just submitted a patch for bug #30499.  If anyone looks at it, let me know what's wrong with it so I can improve future attempts.
17:00 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30499 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tmcmahon, Needs Signoff , Keyboard shortcuts broken on several pages
17:53 oleonard         Why api 404.
18:38 wajasu           i noticed 21.11 and 22.05 staff interface doesn't handle the search area responsively or adjusting search field dynamically. opac is fine.
18:38 wajasu           but what catalogue is going to attempt their job on a phone :)
18:41 caroline         Yeah, I think staff interface responsiveness is not really a priority
18:42 wajasu           thats ok. i love the opac onthe phone comparedd to version 3.10 koha.
19:03 paulderscheid[m] @later tell oleonard What's your stance on moving from node-sass to dart-sass? Since node-sass has long been deprecated and dart-sass is the recommended path I'd appreciate it if we'd move forward. No more build failures with the wrong node version or aarch64.
19:03 huginn           paulderscheid[m]: The operation succeeded.
19:18 wajasu           ok. i see that there is HMTL customizations, which I can add my branding. I can upload my logo with the generic upload tool.
19:19 wajasu           i wonder if i can get the logo inthe opac/images through the UI or do i still need to manually copy it there?
19:20 wajasu           also, when backups happen, i see it gets the database .sql.gz, and the config .tar.gz
19:21 wajasu           but it would be great to include the opac/intra images, in the configuration tar.
19:22 wajasu           this way i have all my customizations in the backups.
20:52 fridolin         jellow
21:15 tuxayo           fridolin: 👋
21:37 fridolin         tuxayo: yo wats up ?
21:38 * fridolin       under a rain of Koha upgrades ^^
21:38 fridolin         lot of work, like fixing OPAC news
21:38 fridolin         upgrade to 21.11 changed DB structure and it can generate multiple duplicated entries
21:39 fridolin         and like always rebase of forks, forks, forks
22:39 tuxayo           fridolin: good luck!
22:39 tuxayo           > wats up
22:39 tuxayo           not much