Time Nick Message 06:26 dcook Configuring DSpace really makes me appreciate Koha... 06:26 dcook Koha might have a million options but at least it has options... 06:30 reiveune helol 06:49 cait1 good morning #koha 07:42 cait1 Joubu: looks like the caching issue is a bigger one? 07:43 Joubu I don't think so 07:44 Joubu talking about 31194? 07:44 Joubu bug 31194 07:44 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31194 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, ASSIGNED , koha-marc mappings not invalidated in cache 07:50 paulderscheid[m] Morning #Koha 07:51 paulderscheid[m] Is there an api endpoint for querying elasticsearch? 07:51 paulderscheid[m] And if not, should we create one? 08:04 Joubu what do you need exactly? 08:04 Joubu search for biblios? 08:04 Joubu oops, sorry wahanui! 08:12 paulderscheid[m] I need to get the exact results of a query in elastic (or even zebra) via api call 08:14 paulderscheid[m] And machine readable format but that's a given 08:15 paulderscheid[m] The thing is, even if I created such an endpoint.. it would have to public for my second use case 08:16 Joubu bug 25870? 08:16 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25870 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, NEW , Add a q_ccl query parameter to /biblios 08:17 paulderscheid[m] What's a CCL query? 08:17 paulderscheid[m] Ah found it 08:18 paulderscheid[m] I have to do one other thing which will take a while but I need this, so I will submit a patch 08:19 Joubu it's zebra's syntax, like 'ti:your title' 08:19 paulderscheid[m] For my use cases it would have to support both 08:20 Joubu '=' instead of ':' 08:20 Joubu yes, but we kind of convert the ccl for ES 08:20 paulderscheid[m] Ok 08:20 paulderscheid[m] That's good 08:20 Joubu so it would support both. I guess it was what tcohen had in mind with 25870 08:21 Joubu ask him when he is around 08:23 fridolin paulderscheid[m]: here is the one and only doc on CCL https://software.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#ccl.syntax 08:23 paulderscheid[m] Thanks Joubu fridolin 08:24 paulderscheid[m] This will be my first patch ^^ 08:25 paulderscheid[m] But guess I'll celebrate when it's past QA 08:27 fridolin bravo :) 08:27 fridolin champagne 08:27 fridolin \o/ 09:07 cait1 paulderscheid[m]: I still always celebrate all my patches going in :D 09:10 paulderscheid[m] Haha ^^ 09:10 paulderscheid[m] That's the spirit 09:11 ashimema Me too 09:11 ashimema When you've had a few in you start avidly following the gitstats too.. it's addictive 09:12 ashimema https://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/authors.html 09:14 ashimema Aim high.. I'm targeting the top 5 now.. top 10 was quite a challenge! 09:15 Joubu Same, opening a bottle of champagne every patch pushed! 09:16 cait1 Tom 10 IS still a challenge.. 09:17 cait1 but there are a few inactive ones in there... so one day 09:20 cait1 Joubu: hopefully alcohol free... or I'd really worry about you! 09:20 ashimema How long was Galen around? I remember him well in my early days and he still holds a place in my memory.. but I've not seen any patches from him in ages.. 09:21 ashimema must have been super prolific for a while though.. he's hanging on to that 6th place hard.. 09:25 Joubu This is the git command: git log --pretty=%an%x09%ad | awk -F$'\t' '!seen[$1]++' 09:26 Joubu https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48652181/git-list-all-authors-last-commit-date-in-a-project 09:28 ashimema interesting 09:28 ashimema that doesn't match the GitStats at all 09:29 ashimema he active days is an interesting number too.. 09:29 Joubu last author commit vs pushed 09:29 ashimema commits vs active days 09:29 ashimema ah.. of course 09:29 ashimema I see 09:29 Joubu I guess he wrote a patch in 2013 that has been pushed in 2016 09:29 Joubu which is the average, isn't it? 09:29 Joubu :D 09:29 ashimema haha 09:29 ashimema about right.. 09:31 ashimema think I wrote my first commit in around 2009 but it wasn't pushed until 2011 I believe 09:31 Joubu you are right, that's not correct, I saw a patch from him from 2016 09:32 ashimema weird 09:32 * ashimema is such a stats geek 09:46 cait1 i think the mailmap and stuff might also factor in? 09:46 * cait1 catches some air after diving into currency bugs 09:48 ashimema currency bugs... 09:48 ashimema scary stuff 09:49 cait1 foreign currency handling in acq 09:49 cait1 still scary, but not the scary input discussion 09:49 ashimema very scary stuff 09:49 ashimema haha.. 09:49 ashimema now that really is scary 09:49 ashimema enough to bring most grown up developers to tears 09:49 ashimema haha 09:49 ashimema that and floating point 09:50 * ashimema is thinking we should perhaps try adopting something like flatpickr for currencies 09:50 * ashimema has looked at a few over the years but never really settled on one 09:52 cait1 maybe, but that's the input issue 09:52 cait1 my issue is that we don't store an invoice price in foreign currency 09:52 cait1 which we should 09:52 cait1 we need to convert it too, but we also need to store the original price 09:52 ashimema indeed.. 09:52 ashimema different issues 10:05 cait1 it looks liek 2017 me filed a lot of those currency related bugs already... (and I don't remember....) 10:07 ashimema haha 10:08 ashimema I've done that numerous times.. rediscovered things I've reported many years later 10:18 Joubu cait1: I don't understand your comment on 6514, why not a cataloguing plugin? 11:06 marcelr hi #koha 11:06 marcelr two cents from tcohen: what is the exchange rate ? 11:07 Joubu marcelr: don't take his argentian pesos! 11:09 ashimema lol 11:18 cait1 Joubu: how do you want to store the currency? 11:18 cait1 the problem they have is that they cannot enter $ 10.00 in the price field in the item - because it won't get stored 11:18 cait1 because the price is decimal - ther eis no way you can store unformatted text there 11:19 cait1 a cataloguing plugin won't help with that :) 11:19 tcohen marcelr, Joubu, ashimema: we don't even have coins anymore with this inflation rate 11:19 ashimema lol 11:19 tcohen good morning everyone 11:19 cait1 Joubu: they want to save what currency the book was bought in, is what I understand 11:19 marcelr hola 11:20 cait1 no coins? that's no fun 11:20 tcohen I mean, we have but no one uses them heh 11:20 ashimema I think the challenge is likely to be that we tie various functionality to those fields don't we cait1 11:21 ashimema like replacement price on lost status change? 11:21 cait1 that's another field 11:21 cait1 but i hink people still calculate on those fields 11:21 cait1 so you don't really want to store unformatted data there 11:22 cait1 I think some show the 'amount saved with your library visit' on checout slips 11:22 cait1 on another now... why woud this not work? /opac-tmpl/lib/famfamfam/silk/book_edit.png ? 11:23 cait1 trying to use a differnt icon in the OPAC 11:24 tcohen cait1: KTD? 11:24 wahanui KTD is fixed, but still sql error for aqbudgets table in kohastructure.sql 11:24 tcohen wahanui: forget that 11:24 wahanui tcohen: I forgot that 11:27 cait1 tcohen: package installation 11:27 oleonard KTD? 11:27 wahanui KTD is fixed, but still sql error for aqbudgets table in kohastructure.sql 11:27 oleonard wahanui: forget KTD 11:27 wahanui oleonard: I forgot ktd 11:29 tcohen ktd? 11:29 wahanui i guess ktd is KTD is great but ktd makes it better 11:30 tcohen haha 11:30 tcohen that doesn't read right 11:30 tcohen anyway 11:31 cait1 https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha/src/branch/master/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/lib/famfamfam/silk/book_edit.png < 11:32 oleonard wahanui: forget KTD 11:32 wahanui oleonard: I forgot ktd 11:32 oleonard ktd? 11:32 cait1 ok, got it: /opac-tmpl/bootstrap/lib/famfamfam/silk/book_edit.png 11:32 tcohen ktd? 11:35 tcohen nice, cait1 11:55 marcelr tcohen: the lists stuff is fine again :) 12:10 tcohen marcelr: :-D 12:10 marcelr great 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25498: (follow-up) Show error message when no sharee has email <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5182341cd1ae542e1c0b12ab57e669d8ba3d7938> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30933: Add lists methods for disowning <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47c860548715ee2248cb5c45e6441edb286c7559> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30933: Unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9288addef002c97120fdaeb5c394448da18293ff> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 31179: (QA follow-up) Set field as hidden for tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d24cb97b0607ccc8aaa145018ae4dff140910f26> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 31179: (QA follow-up) POD fix <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=05964056604233620016dba801661fe879cd23e9> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 11889: DBRev 22.06.00.018 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d65cd5db42d4243ccacfee5f92a88e776deb759> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 31179: Don't copy invisible subfields when duplicating items <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b90787d5c8167b455cfd24e8cc24384c3ee70081> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25498: (follow-up) Change for autocomplete change of 30578 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc5431c8ec0d35e22a4b9047cbded234b1efef83> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30933: (follow-up) Use cannot_be_transferred in shelves scripts <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b70ae1d50f07d1449630bf738bd0e9d53d542c82> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30933: (follow-up) Consolidate transfer checks <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=773779e792243f640c00be804a39f071a99ea60b> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30933: Database revision (new pref) <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc5d9c013ee9887652fd00386fb24b07363d3d4d> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30933: Adjust pref description, include ListOwnerDesignated <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c46e0d89b4a3a95133a9e9de201219281a5e2cf4> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30933: Change for patron->delete <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5ba2b1c4f48f16bf37974deb4cd3e81c70d4d29> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25498: (QA follow-up) Rename virtualshelfshare->patron <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=443c71fa004c1f94c2b264d85ed6b5be461dc56d> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25498: Transfer ownership shared list on OPAC <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=52154c6e9038d768341570f816f3832cfb6c1582> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25498: Show transfer button for shared lists on OPAC <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=da8f05f7c522fe6cdabf923c80e749b9e4662f68> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25498: Add a transfer form for public lists <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=92e7bcf7510a9d63998ca3f9371fcc00cca12e17> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 11889: (QA follow-up) Spelling <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f619a2e3d10b757869b67f4d0dad08755a6fc2b1> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25498: Add transfer button on intranet <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad83180fb071bfb3f1c3d9c223e455a19ca81adb> 12:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30909: Retain permanent_location if mapped <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2668a685702a0cd9adf3deeafcc9e4433199e0f> 12:12 marcelr tcohen: please move the atomic update from 30933 12:13 tcohen damn, I knew this was going to happen as I reset my branch :-D 12:20 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30933: DBRev 22.06.00.019 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b03771eb2f02d809ecca9ddfbeb49d0b33deec1> 12:21 Joubu tcohen: you should have a git hook to prevent that 12:22 * tcohen ponders 12:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #26: SUCCESS in 7 min 47 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_ES7/26/ 12:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES6 build #24: SUCCESS in 8 min 3 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_ES6/24/ 12:36 cait1 hm, is there an easy way to get a marc field in a TT notice? 12:37 cait1 I was trying to adapt htis one, but failing: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Notices_with_Template_Toolkit#Example:_Fetch_880_.246245-01_titles 12:42 Joubu do you get an error? 12:47 alohabot 🎠🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo ðŸðŸ¥ðŸŽ‚ 12:52 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #925: UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_My8/925/ 12:57 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #1021: UNSTABLE in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest/1021/ 12:57 cait1 Joubu: I think it got it mostly working now, but thx! 12:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #27: SUCCESS in 7 min 42 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_ES7/27/ 13:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30039: (QA follow-up) Change published on to publication date <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=44d0f585d171b16e4eb8f435d79330d1423b9c60> 13:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 31020: Fix PassItemMarcToXSLT in system preferences description <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6dbad91c4f114471036695f1476dc5315a94d1a> 13:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26377: Simplify JS code <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d19d7bcc50d48aa326a909b221a1251f664d632> 13:01 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26377: Show when loading the page if needed <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=97e8a5b00df05c25180b4564f21d689caae18902> 13:01 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26377: Clearly label parts of subscription-add.pl that relate to optional item... <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=13525cff5ce866b060fcc899aa696646db351c3a> 13:01 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27546: (follow-up) Avoid index clash <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=927b488ead0a0f880fa7fa677aa3861010320cf2> 13:01 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27546: (follow-up) Escape new search string <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7fbce0b177b1b1a19cf11d51896e5b35abef8c4c> 13:01 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30039: Add published on column to claims.pl <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8b63b05e938e58997950617e55af303a03b4ec3> 13:01 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27546: Add 'Search within results' search box <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=869b1d9f8f1e00de6ad7f8b4a957751fafd2e24f> 13:07 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES6 build #25: SUCCESS in 8 min 30 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_ES6/25/ 13:10 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #748: UNSTABLE in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/748/ 13:11 cait1 Joubu: I thin i am getting there: [% FOREACH field IN biblio.metadata.record.field("852") %] 13:11 cait1 [% field.subfield("a") %] 13:11 cait1 [% END %] 13:13 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30570: Compiled CSS <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=291ffd270f6a8aad96b40e7b73bcdf284c760757> 13:13 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7660: Use first available categorycode when none passed in <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=146423f1bcbefda20995429a1f8ed9152977495c> 13:13 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30570: Replace the use of jQueryUI tabs in OPAC templates <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=894f7013ebef9ec9c8c6ffa52f5e5b9554f27986> 13:13 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30333: Move view actions on acquisitions receipt summary page into menu <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7dfda6210d4c94e2787bd21c909d281374375ec> 13:17 alohabot 🎠🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🥧ðŸ§ðŸ¬ 13:18 ashimema @seen liliputech 13:18 huginn ashimema: liliputech was last seen in #koha 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 18 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <liliputech> back 13:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U22 build #143: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U22/143/ 13:23 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #28: SUCCESS in 7 min 57 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_ES7/28/ 13:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #494: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/494/ 13:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES6 build #26: SUCCESS in 8 min 55 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_ES6/26/ 13:40 tuxayo meeting in 20 min! 13:45 oleonard meeting in 15 min! 13:45 cait1 oh ups 13:46 cait1 oops in English... 13:46 Joubu ho merde (in French) 13:46 oleonard Aw dangit in American. 13:47 alohabot 🎠🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo ðŸ‘ðŸ®ðŸ§ 13:50 cait1 i feel like those are a little stronger worded :) 13:51 cait1 if someone else wants to add MARC stuff to notices: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Notices_with_Template_Toolkit#Access_MARC_data 13:52 Joubu you are not looping over the subfields 13:54 cait1 i am now :) 13:54 cait1 ah, a is not repeatable 13:54 cait1 in my example 13:55 cait1 it works in my template - only with a different field, I adapted the example for the wiki 13:55 tuxayo meeting 5 min! 13:55 tuxayo rmaints? 13:55 wahanui rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo 13:55 tuxayo qa_team? 13:55 wahanui qa_team is cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova and Joubu 13:56 oleonard oleopard? 13:56 wahanui oleopard is confusing wahanui with alexa or siri 13:57 * ashimema is overly sleepy 14:00 tuxayo lol 14:01 thd Many bug fixes can lead to much excess sleepiness. 14:02 tuxayo #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 20 July 2022 14:02 huginn Meeting started Wed Jul 20 14:02:10 2022 UTC. The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:02 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:02 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_20_july_2022' 14:02 tuxayo #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_20_July_2022 Today's agenda 14:02 tuxayo #topic Introductions 14:02 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA 14:03 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum 14:03 paulderscheid[m] #info Paul Derscheid, LMSCloud GmbH, Munich, Germany 14:03 cait1 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 14:03 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 14:03 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 14:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 14:03 tuxayo #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Europe, France 14:03 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 14:03 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 14:04 tuxayo #topic Announcements 14:04 tuxayo Anything to announce that doesn't fit the other topics? 14:04 Joubu Yes, announcement, me 14:05 tuxayo 🎙ï¸Joubu 14:05 Joubu (could have fit later but ... well) 14:05 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize 14:05 wahanui i heard #info Martin Renvoize was getting back the the Accounts Rewrite bugs 14:05 Joubu I will be on leave for 2+ months, starting in less than a month. 14:05 cait1 forget #info Martin Renvoize 14:05 wahanui cait1: I forgot #info martin renvoize 14:05 Joubu I have several things in the queue that would be nice to have for 22.11 14:05 Joubu especially because they are a nightmare to rebase 14:06 Joubu and I don't think I will pick them back if they haven't been pushed until then... 14:06 Joubu bug 27272 14:06 cait1 you already gave me a list with a few, but can you name them somewhere? 14:06 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27272 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stalkernoid, Needs Signoff , Move C4::Items::GetItemsInfo to Koha namespace 14:06 Joubu bug 30718 (and friends) 14:06 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30718 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Use flatpickr's altInput option everywhere 14:06 Joubu bug 30982 14:06 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30982 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Use the REST API for background job list view 14:06 Joubu bug 27421 14:06 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27421 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Porting tools/stage-marc-import.pl to BackgroundJob 14:06 Joubu they are always the same... 14:06 Joubu (people wanted them, I wrote a patch) 14:06 Joubu Then, ERM 14:06 oleonard Joubu: I will test 30718 again soon 14:07 Joubu If we don't want it to be stuck for months, I need (at least) one or two of you onboard with me 14:07 Joubu You need to know what the current state is (see kanban) 14:07 Joubu and understand a bit of the code (I am currently more than 130 commits above master...). 14:07 tuxayo this one? https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-erm/kanban 14:07 cait1 do youmean testing or actual developing? 14:07 Joubu yes, there is only one 14:07 Joubu There are missing tests, missing documentation, it's a lot of code and both ERM and Vue are new for most of us 14:08 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 14:08 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #926: FIXED in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_My8/926/ 14:08 wahanui Congratulations! 14:08 Joubu cait1: depending on your skills. Feedback from the UI/testing, feedback on the code 14:08 Joubu if we don't want the project to fail, I need help now. I will be able to answer your questions and it will be easier for you 14:08 paulderscheid[m] I can help with Vue if you want 14:08 cait1 say I have something like "input fields shoudl be longer here and there" - would I put that on the kanban? 14:08 paulderscheid[m] Sharpened my skills a little 14:09 Joubu Especially if we want a first shoot into 22.11 (which would help to get feedback from end users). 14:09 Joubu cait1: not about the UI 14:09 Joubu it should be rewritten using Bootstrap 5, but we are not there now 14:09 Joubu I don't care much about how the UI is (button too big, etc.) considering that minor for now 14:09 ashimema I'm out for two weeks from Friday, then have some urgent development work to complete the week after... 14:10 ashimema that kinda rules me out â˜¹ï¸ 14:10 ashimema but I was hoping to help progress all of them 14:10 cait1 ... and with 2 QAers gone, I'll need help too 14:10 cait1 and I am serious this time. The queue is too full already and we have 2 major QA people on leave soon. 14:10 cait1 Joubu: so UI testing should be limited to functionality not looks? 14:11 paulderscheid[m] Ah yes, summertime ^^ 14:11 oleonard ...but lots of people on the QA team list, so we shouldn't be so short-handed. 14:11 cait1 yes, but we are 14:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #495: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/495/ 14:11 marcelr summertime is for all queues 14:11 Joubu mostly, yes. global ergonomic issues could be raised, not "button too big" 14:11 Joubu it's not there yet 14:12 cait1 when you say help now, is the intention to get this in before you leave? or what is the goal? 14:12 ashimema the ERM is an optional module isn't it.. 14:12 Joubu cait1: to not let it stuck for several months, without move 14:12 ashimema how tied in to other things is it in terms of possibility to break other area's 14:13 Joubu it's completely isolated 14:13 ashimema brill.. I thought it was 14:13 marcelr experimental module.. 14:13 cait1 yeah, I thnk we are having the same thought 14:13 Joubu but no point to push it if I am the only one aware of the code (and not around) 14:14 tcohen we all need to be aware of the code sooner or later 14:14 tcohen to maintain it 14:14 ashimema I'll get up to speed.. but it'll likely be in your last week 14:14 * ashimema assumes he knows why your off and that assumes things don't happen early ;P 14:14 Joubu anyway, I didn't want to monopolise the meeting 14:14 tcohen it's a good thing to talk about 14:14 marcelr :) 14:14 tuxayo completely isolated: Does that mean it could be pushed with rough edges and in 3 mo you iterate on it? 14:15 tuxayo Does the stuff to do in a month also include integrating the Cypress tests in our suite and pipeline? 14:15 Joubu not necessarily 14:15 tcohen oh, that's a really good question 14:15 cait1 we have only about 4 months left - so close call, but maybe we could make it work 14:15 Joubu IIRC it won't work anyway, cypress cannot work without x server 14:16 tcohen we can have a headless X server, don't we? 14:16 tuxayo we can use xvfb likely 14:16 Joubu I didn't manage to make it work within ktd 14:16 tcohen ok 14:17 tuxayo It's a matter of time tinkering (during hackfest I tried to find a container with cypress and browsers ready but couldn't make it work with ktd...) 14:17 Joubu I don't remember the exact reason. And know I didn't spend much time on it, but I think I found something in the official repo's issue ssaying it couldn't work 14:18 tcohen ok 14:18 tuxayo Anything else to announce? 14:18 tcohen that won't prevent integration in the codebase 14:18 Joubu that's minor anyway, if we are 2 dev on it we can run the tests locally 14:18 cait1 we should add an info 14:18 cait1 about the leave 14:18 tuxayo right 14:18 tcohen tuxayo: I wanted to mention that ashimema asked me if we could test running a vector-im instance for the community 14:19 tcohen and I will set it soon 14:19 tcohen https://github.com/vector-im/element-web#running-from-docker 14:19 tcohen element, client 14:19 cait1 ah 14:19 cait1 I was going to ask what that is :) 14:20 tcohen the idea is to provide more interesting ways for people to interact with the community 14:20 tcohen testing phase 14:20 tuxayo #infodraftJoubu needs help on bugs 27272, 30718, 30982, 27421 and ERM before going on long starting in less than a month. 14:20 tuxayo like that the note? 14:21 cait1 sounds good to me 14:21 ashimema a more modern webchat with access to our IRC channel.... thinking as a replacement for the current oftc hosted webchat 14:21 tcohen info Joubu needs help on bugs 27272, 30718, 30982, 27421 and ERM before going AFK in less than a month. 14:21 cait1 tcohen: let me know when it's there, happy to hang out and we use element at work 14:21 tuxayo #info Joubu needs help on bugs 27272, 30718, 30982, 27421 and ERM before going AFK in less than a month. 14:21 tcohen cait1: sure! 14:21 ashimema excellent 14:21 wahanui darn tootin' it is. 14:21 ashimema thanks tcohen 14:21 tcohen I'll call it https://element.test.koha-community.org 14:22 ashimema Once we're happy it's ready we could tweak https://koha-community.org/get-involved/irc/ a bit 14:22 ashimema perhaps drop 'irc' as a wording and just say 'chat' instead.. 14:22 tuxayo > vector-im instance 14:22 tuxayo Hosting a Matrix server and Element webchat? Shouldn't we try first to find a respectable already hosted public instance? 14:23 tuxayo I know already one from the https://www.chatons.org collective. 14:23 tcohen tuxayo: that's a good option too. I prefer to try it to get used to it, but yeahg 14:23 ashimema the irc channel is already bridged to the matrix.org servers and I think serves well enough 14:23 ashimema this is just to have a simple client and try to encourage people down the matrix/element path rather than joining with irc 14:24 tuxayo I used it a bit https://element.tedomum.net 14:24 tuxayo People managing it and the other services are quite active. 14:24 tuxayo Ah, hosting just the webchat 14:25 tuxayo To have a direct link to come here without creating an account? 14:25 ashimema that's the aim.. we'll see once testing 14:25 ashimema lets see.. give it a little trial 14:25 ashimema shall we move on? 14:26 oleonard We've been talking about it for ages, it's definitely worth trying 14:26 tcohen yeah 14:26 tuxayo That's great aim, thank 14:26 tuxayo *thanks 14:26 tuxayo #topic Update from the Release manager (22.05) 14:26 tuxayo tcohen: ðŸŽ™ï¸ 14:26 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 14:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U22 build #144: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U22/144/ 14:26 wahanui Congratulations! 14:27 tcohen #info master has had some small hiccups, but I've managed to push enhancements and new features 14:27 tcohen #info tried to detect possible conflicts with bugfixes as much as possible until last week 14:27 tuxayo what do you mean? 14:28 tcohen master has seen more than 500 commits in the last two months, mostly bugfixes 14:28 tcohen I mean that I started to push enhancements more often 14:29 tcohen been trying to mark things for stable and communicated with lukeg about must-backport stuffs for 22.05 14:29 ashimema tcohen++ 14:29 tcohen there are a couple failures in Koha_Master that I cannot reproduce locally and cannot commit time to find a fix right now 14:30 tcohen I'm happy with the QA team so far, they kept me super busy pushing thing 14:30 tcohen s 14:30 tuxayo revert the culprit ticket? and the dev find it :P 14:30 tuxayo *let the dev 14:30 tcohen the problem is this has been like that for a while 14:30 tcohen before the 22.05 release AFAICT 14:31 tcohen and I cannot ask Joubu for more than he already does 14:31 tcohen Joubu++ 14:31 ashimema this is the failing selenium test right? 14:31 tcohen (he introduced the changes in the testing pipeline) 14:31 tcohen yes 14:31 ashimema I've been meaning to take a look 14:31 tcohen it doesn't fail on normal KTD 14:31 ashimema but I'm not entirely sure I've got my head around the problem yet 14:32 ashimema yeah.. that's where I've struggled 14:32 tcohen it has to do with the way it is installed I think 14:32 tcohen also, I've been meaning to stop the Ubuntu 18.04 master job 14:32 ashimema good idea 14:32 tcohen as we don't really need to support it 14:32 tcohen and it has a failing test 14:33 tuxayo wait, it can catch early stuff that might fail when backported 14:33 tcohen ok, that's all from me. About devs, I will focus on some refactoring bugs Joubu already mentioned 14:33 tcohen ah 14:33 tuxayo Or if the probability that it helps it too low let's drop it anyway 14:33 tcohen it serves rmaints 14:33 tcohen ok, no problem from me 14:33 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 14:33 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #1022: FIXED in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest/1022/ 14:33 wahanui Congratulations! 14:33 tcohen I will remove it from the 'Supported' tab 14:34 tcohen to avoid confusing people seeking for answers in Jenkins 14:34 tcohen ok, another thing I wanted to mention 14:34 tuxayo If it still fail constantly it not useful as a warning 14:35 tuxayo I think I had something that failed only Ubuntu 18.04 on oldoldstable and I reverted. I had not idea. Maybe it's the same ticket! 14:35 Joubu no 14:36 tuxayo Ah it was for Ubuntu 16.04 (bug30035) 14:36 tcohen this: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/ 14:36 tuxayo so not related 14:37 tuxayo Ah this >< 14:37 tcohen I think it is just that the lib version doesn't explode the way our test expects 14:37 tcohen anyway 14:37 tcohen that's all from me on this topic 14:37 tuxayo ok 14:37 tuxayo #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 14:38 tuxayo rmaints? 14:38 wahanui rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo 14:38 ashimema anyone know when lilputech is back? 14:38 tuxayo nothing interesting from me this month. 14:38 ashimema I have a few bugs I'm keen to see in the next 21.11.x 14:38 tcohen ashimema: urgent ones? 14:39 ashimema the analytics search error one.. the biblioitems acquisisitions on the api one 14:39 tcohen ah yes 14:39 tcohen we all need them 14:40 ashimema mm 14:40 ashimema indeed 14:40 tcohen I will contact liliputech 14:40 ashimema I think he's on leave 14:40 tcohen yeah, but will ask for permission to push things 14:40 ashimema I've been chasing them through lucas first 😜 14:40 ashimema but i'm aware next release is pretty iminent 14:40 ashimema brill 14:41 ashimema I can help pushing.. just didn't want to upset his queue if he has a method for working through 14:42 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 14:42 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #749: FIXED in 1 hr 1 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/749/ 14:42 wahanui Congratulations! 14:42 tcohen ashimema: ok 14:42 tuxayo There could be a 21.11.x ready with the bugs tested and applied 14:42 tuxayo *21.11.x fork 14:43 tuxayo So when they come back they just have to merge it and release 14:43 tuxayo ashimema: tcohen can you add 21.05.x releases candidate tag on the bug and CC if they need to be in the next 21.05.x also? 14:44 tcohen yeah, I try to do that 14:44 tuxayo So I can eventually delay the release a bit to be sure I get then from upstream 14:44 tuxayo *on the bugs 14:44 cait1 I was wondering, do you guys still work from git? like checking all commits for need to backport or do you have a different way? 14:44 tuxayo *and CC me 14:44 cait1 I noticed some bugs that had been sitting form around May mostly 14:45 tcohen there's one security bug that we need to add to the release on the last day 14:45 tuxayo cait1: I don't know about the others but I do git log on the upstream branch and process (backport or leave a comment telling I skipped) every ticket 14:46 cait1 That's good, thx tuxayo 14:46 tuxayo > I noticed some bugs that had been sitting form around May mostly 14:46 tuxayo Maybe there was a handover issue 14:46 tuxayo And some bugs where never examined 14:46 cait1 it could be, I CCd Rmaint with a comment 14:47 ashimema I had a script that ran daily to check master vs my todo list.. it would append every bug to my todo list 14:47 tcohen Lucas was out for a couple weeks. Maybe that's why some things haven't reached the 21.11 and 21.05 branches 14:47 ashimema then I worked through that 14:47 ashimema yeah. 14:47 ashimema timing.. 14:47 ashimema all good.. I just have some squeeking customers 😜 14:47 tuxayo > I CCd Rmaint with a comment 14:47 tuxayo That's reliable for me but unless the other RMaint confirm it, we don't know if they can process all their bugzilla notifications 14:48 tuxayo The commitment for oldoldstable it way more managable and it's possible to follow everything. 14:48 tuxayo The other have also way more BZ notification since they touch more tickets than me 14:49 tuxayo moving on? 14:49 cait1 y 14:49 tuxayo #topic Updates from the QA team 14:49 tuxayo qa_team? 14:49 wahanui qa_team is, like, cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova and Joubu 14:49 cait1 where to start.. 14:50 cait1 queue is full of stuff, some from May 14:50 cait1 we notice the summer time and as said earlier, there will be people on leave 14:50 cait1 so if you signed up for the team, now is the time to step up :) 14:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #927: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_My8/927/ 14:51 cait1 I still send weekly emails with the bad and the ugly 14:51 tuxayo cait++ for that 14:51 oleonard cait1++ 14:51 cait1 anything to add? 14:52 Joubu you always forget the good 14:52 tcohen cait1++ 14:52 Joubu :D 14:52 wajasu i will be around after next week to do signoffs so if anyone is in channel and sees me, please suggest which bugs have priority. 14:52 tcohen yeah, add cool things too 14:52 cait1 Joubu: that's a good point, I shoudl ty to point the good too 14:52 tuxayo wajasu++ 14:52 tuxayo The good as in the easy and quick ones? 14:52 ashimema we should celebrate successes more.. Joubu is right 14:53 tcohen cait1: at least put your favourites :-D 14:53 ashimema I'm super happy to see the bundles/collections work in 🙂 14:53 Joubu well I was only refering to the movie :D 14:53 cait1 wajasu: ususally start with bugs (errors) and if you could look at stuff that has been sitting a while that#s great 14:53 ashimema I'm super happy to see some of the C4 -> Koha move stuff moving along 14:53 ashimema hehe.. 14:53 ashimema yeah.. I know 14:53 wajasu cait1: ok 14:53 cait1 tcohen: I am not doing favourites, so usualyl don't want to single out people :) 14:54 ashimema but I do think it would be a good thing to remind ourselves that although the queues often look high.. there is still loads of progress 14:54 tcohen it is fair to ask for things you need/want 14:54 ashimema I often forget that myself and can end up stuck in nagativity 😜 14:54 cait1 yep, all good points will try :) 14:54 cait1 but you can always chime in too - that's how it's supposed to work 14:55 tcohen sorry for this 14:55 tcohen noise 14:55 ashimema wajasu, the dashboard is a great place to start.. I can give you some hints and tips on workflows 14:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 31192: Check for item before calling is_bundle <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de6ca8aa3d291edc054028fb4f16bc6540ab47fb> 14:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 31186: Fix the hidingrules test for result numbering <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d7647052f20104b70ba6b02d1535874fb9ab3b61> 14:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27045: (follow-up) Fix delimiter in header rows <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2eea061ca30e4810b07ca2920bfe1e55762fab02> 14:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30268: Check mandatory fields in addorderiso2709.pl <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e37359cae96535e45ccb26a5e22d5b67920d27cd> 14:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27045: Fix other exports using CSV profiles <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7cd84171ab57a35138fa5c585d2ed6de442e453c> 14:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27045: Fix items lost report export if delimiter is tab <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=983965ee4790fd7841af87fcfdb8395ccea9e813> 14:55 cait1 we like this kind of noise! 14:55 tuxayo lol 14:55 cait1 tuxayo: move on? 14:55 ashimema I tend to pick a small one or two bugs to get me started then follow with a harder one to keep the queues moving. 14:56 tuxayo #topic Status of roadmap projects 14:56 wajasu i'm getting used to ktd. with an easy bug. then will move on. 14:57 tuxayo Anything from anyone on a project? 14:57 tcohen #link https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_22.11_roadmap 14:57 thd Deferred pointing to test01 for wiki testing while standing up test00 running on Debian 10. 14:58 tcohen #info ashimema and tcohen have been talking about spending some days on C4::Reserves 14:58 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #29: SUCCESS in 8 min 24 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_ES7/29/ 14:58 ashimema +1 14:58 cait1 thd: do you still need testing, waht makes sense right now? 14:58 cait1 I saw tuxayo had left a commen ton the wiki bug 14:59 tcohen #info many things in the Roadmap have patches and need eyes/testing 14:59 thd Testing is still needed I just did not want to confuse the whole mailing list by changing URIs. 14:59 ashimema I'll be taking stock and getting back to the roadmap things once I'm back from vacation 😜 14:59 ashimema been a crazy few weeks... but then,, when is it not 15:00 cait1 thd: can you give the current one? 15:00 thd You would not be confused. The same bugs will be present but I might only fix them on Debian 10. 15:00 cait1 I'll try to make time end of week 15:00 oleonard I've been working on follow-ups to Bug 30952. I'm doing some cleanup to reduce the number of template changes. 15:01 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30952 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, solene.desvaux, Failed QA , New interface for staff client 15:01 ashimema oleonard++ 15:01 tcohen great 15:01 Joubu thd: are you planning to go live on D10? 15:01 tcohen oleonard++ 15:01 thd https://koha-mw-my-test00-upgr.agogme.com/ is not up yet. I just now fixed a manual package override needed for running apt-listbugs for a kfreebsd issue nothing to do. 15:01 thd We should probably go live on Debian 11. 15:02 cait1 thd: just point me where i need to test - I'll try to spend some time Friday 15:02 thd Debian 10 has one slightly different package names. 15:02 Joubu thd: what's the timeframe? 15:02 tcohen thd: do you have an automated process for migrating the data? 15:03 thd The process is entirely automated as much as possible. 15:03 thd https://koha-mw-my-test01-upgr.agogme.com on Debian 9 is still current at this moment. 15:03 Joubu when will it be ready? What's missing? What's the timeframe? Do you need help? If so, what? 15:03 thd https://koha-mw-my-test00-upgr.agogme.com should become current anytime now. 15:03 Joubu I am tired of waiting for this wiki 15:04 Joubu I have helped 2 years ago, it was ready... 15:04 ashimema ++ 15:04 tcohen thd: would you be ok with us launching a mediawiki instance in wiki.test.koha-community.org in which we use the automated process you come up with? 15:04 Joubu cannot we just go live "now"? 15:04 cait1 I am also in favor of a quick move 15:04 wahanui okay, cait1. 15:04 cait1 I think we coudl still fix some stuff later 15:05 tuxayo If the full size images don't work for now that's okay 15:05 tcohen I agree 15:05 thd There are a few installation bugs for changed package names which I may have now fixed. 15:05 tcohen thd: but what if we had the vanilla install sorted 15:06 tcohen https://hub.docker.com/_/mediawiki 15:06 cait1 there is not a ton of changes on the current wiki, having a bit of a 'freeze' would not hurt a lot if it helps the move 15:06 thd Full sized images is not a problem with apache. 15:06 tuxayo good 15:06 tuxayo So any blockers? 15:06 thd It only takes about an hour to run. 15:07 thd Blockers are just finishing standing things up on Debian 10 which probably also works on Debian 11. 15:08 Joubu when can we go live? 15:08 Joubu we need a deadline 15:08 tcohen thd, I will send you an email about your automated migration process. So we can test it too 15:08 tcohen I really think we could simplify the process by using the OFFICIAL Docker images 15:09 tcohen as-is 15:09 tcohen I see there's a LocalSettings.php file 15:09 thd We should be able to go live by the end of Aug. 15:09 tuxayo great! 15:09 tcohen excellent 15:09 wahanui darn tootin' it is. 15:09 Joubu do we need a server? 15:09 Joubu or will we use the current one? 15:09 thd There are four LocalSettings.php files. 15:10 thd The current one runs on an old version of Debian which is needed to make it work. 15:10 tcohen ok, can you put some of those specifics on an email to Joubu, ashimema and I? 15:10 Joubu I won't be able to help 15:10 Joubu no need to include me 15:10 tcohen ok 15:10 tcohen include Joubu anyway 15:10 tcohen :-P 15:11 ashimema lol 15:11 tcohen I would like to know which MediaWiki version is too 15:11 cait1 if the process is almost done, maybe we shoudl not make big changes now 15:11 tcohen we need a sustainable way to handle the wiki deployment 15:11 thd We will need a new Debian 10 or 11 instance for live. 15:12 tcohen and I think the great job you've done with the migration process 15:12 tcohen could pair well with one of this modern deployment methods available 15:12 tcohen so we can team up 15:12 thd Changes are merely to have things running on Debian 10 or 11 and reproducible. 15:13 tuxayo > I would like to know which MediaWiki version is too 15:13 tuxayo https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:Version 15:13 tuxayo https://koha-mw-my-test01-upgr.agogme.com/wiki/Special:Version 15:13 tcohen thanks Tuxayo 15:13 thd MediaWiki 3.5 LTS 15:14 tuxayo *1.35 ? 15:14 tcohen 1.37 15:14 tcohen 1.35.7 15:14 thd The scripts I have written can be adapted to any future update for testing. 15:14 tcohen ok, it is the LTS 15:15 tcohen ok, can you write us an email so we exchange information about the migration process you come up with? 15:15 thd Yes 1.35.07 which is the current LTS 15:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES6 build #27: SUCCESS in 8 min 31 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_ES6/27/ 15:15 tcohen and then we can certainly provide you with the deployed mediawiki instance 15:16 thd It is all documented in git with a README.txt file. 15:16 tcohen and we, together, perform the final migration 15:16 tcohen so you don't need to spend a lot of time making MediaWiki work on specific conditions 15:17 thd However, definitely some bug fixes which I have almost completed needed for installation to work in Debian 10 or 11. 15:17 alohabot 🎠🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo ðŸðŸðŸˆ 15:18 tuxayo moving on? 15:18 tuxayo #topic Actions from last meeting 15:18 tuxayo « thd sends a message to the mailing list about testing the wiki upgrade » 15:19 tuxayo Still relevant? No, right? 15:19 tuxayo « cait finish the LTS drawing example with 4 rmaints and sometimes 3 » 15:19 cait1 I finished it 15:19 tuxayo https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57 15:19 thd Yes, I deferred for sending people to a different URI for Debian 10 which is almost ready. 15:20 cait1 thd: I'll wait for that email then 15:20 tuxayo thd: IIUC it's not relevant and now the aim is to deploy 15:20 thd ...so as not to confuse people on the mailing list by changing URIs. 15:20 tuxayo or is it? 15:20 cait1 the tables now show what it looks like for 1 year maintenance and 1.5 15:20 cait1 of the regular releases 15:20 cait1 that's the main difference between the 3 tables 15:21 tuxayo there are 3? 15:21 cait1 3= 15:21 thd https://koha-mw-my-test01-upgr.agogme.com still works fine and is perfectly good for testing but we might have some different bug with Debian 10. 15:21 cait1 ? 15:22 tuxayo There are 3 tables in the document? 15:22 cait1 oh typo, 2 tables, I am sorry 15:22 tuxayo ok 15:22 thd We cannot deploy the wiki on Debian 9 where all previous testing has been done. 15:23 tuxayo thd yes so having D10 working and then deploying. Without needing more testing 15:23 cait1 I think we had agreed on having the questions to vote for th emeeting, but we didn't do that - so maybe we can have the vote next time 15:24 tuxayo LTS: I think we need to have constantly 4 RMaints, because 1 year overlap isn't enough. Because the first 6mo of overlap are on the first 6mo of the life of the new LTS, so not enough bugs ironed out. So it leaves 6 months for upgrade. 15:24 tuxayo Which will be in the wrong year part for part of the libraries. Some do major upgrade in the middle of the year (summer in northern hemisphere) and other in the beginning/end (summer in the southern) 15:25 cait1 my feeling is 1.5 years as well 15:25 tuxayo Yes, otherwise the same problem as above will happen for libraries following the other releases 15:26 cait1 so next steps... mailng list email and vote on the next meeting? 15:26 tuxayo So does it make sense to have constantly 4 RMaints and not some cycles with only 3. 15:27 tuxayo « davidnind Extended support/LTS release - send notice to mailing list » 15:27 cait1 the 3 is because of the tls overap 15:27 tuxayo Did it happen and let's see what the email saud 15:27 tuxayo *said 15:27 cait1 I think no email yet 15:27 tcohen thd: https://wiki.test.koha-community.org/ 15:29 tuxayo > the 3 is because of the tls overap 15:29 tuxayo when the newer LTS is oldoldstable, the table shows the old LTS is dropped. So 3 RMaint needed in total. I meant that the old LTS shouldn't be dropped and we constantly keep 4 RMaints 15:29 cait1 then you get an even bigger overlap with the old LTS 15:30 cait1 we coudl do that, but we already have a year 15:30 tuxayo 6mo really 15:30 tuxayo the first 6mo of overlap are on the first 6mo of the life of the new LTS, so not enough bugs ironed out 15:30 cait1 maybe make a variation of the table with 4 15:30 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #30: SUCCESS in 7 min 37 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_ES7/30/ 15:30 tuxayo So only 6mo of overlap and for part of the libraries it will be the wrong part of the year 15:30 cait1 and then we can add that to the vote/discussion 15:30 tuxayo ok 15:31 cait1 but do we agree on email on vote? then we can move on 15:32 tuxayo on email on vote? 15:33 cait1 we'll send an email to the ML and vote on the model next meeting 15:33 tuxayo yes 15:33 cait1 I see David said he drafted an email already - so I'll try to get in touch with him 15:33 tuxayo thanks 15:33 tuxayo #action davidnind Extended support/LTS release - send notice to mailing list 15:33 thd tcohen: Starting with a blank wiki will fail as a process for data migration. Starting with a base Debian 10 system to which appropriate files can be added by scripts on the command line will work. 15:34 tuxayo #action Extended support/LTS release - vote at the next meeting with questions added to the agenda, those unable to attend (time zone challenges) can add their votes to the agenda 15:34 tuxayo « davidnind setup the KohaCon23 bid Wiki page and draft a message for the mailing lists: completed - wiki page KohaCon23 Proposals, development mailing list message » 15:34 tuxayo https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon23_Proposals 15:34 tuxayo done :) 15:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #1023: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest/1023/ 15:35 tuxayo https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2022-July/047210.html 15:35 cait1 should we postpone the guidelines one? not sure which coding guidelines need to be updated and no draft 15:36 oleonard Yes, we're 1.5 hours in already 15:36 cait1 maybe... someon coudl just do it? 15:36 tuxayo ok 15:36 cait1 there is probably no need for discussion there :) 15:37 tuxayo Yes it's just confirming and having someone to update the guidilines 15:37 tuxayo But for the KohaCon, the draft is there, it looks good so who to send it now? 15:37 cait1 tuxayo: email went out 15:38 cait1 yesterday I think 15:38 cait1 so that's done 15:38 tuxayo Ah right! 15:38 cait1 just have to watch the deadline 15:38 tuxayo davidnind++ 15:38 cait1 davidnind++ 15:38 tuxayo #action liliputech discuss koha CI (docker image built + manual build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by BibLibre's partner AFI. 15:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #928: SUCCESS in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_My8/928/ 15:39 tuxayo #action tuxayo postpone Update guidelines with the replacement of jQueryUI Datepicker with flatpickr 15:39 tuxayo #topic Set time of next meeting 15:39 tuxayo 17 august, same hour? 15:39 tuxayo For the next meeting of this timeslop 15:39 tuxayo *slot 15:40 cait1 we jused to be biweekly 15:41 cait1 did we change? 15:41 tcohen same hour would be ideal 15:41 tuxayo #info Next meeting: 3 August 2022, 21 UTC 15:42 tuxayo > did we change? 15:42 tuxayo No but the next meeting is for the other timeslot 15:42 tcohen ok 15:42 cait1 ok 15:42 tuxayo So I ask here for the next next meeting and for the next meeting I copy what we said on the previous meeting 15:43 tcohen we didn't talk about Gitlab :-D 15:43 tuxayo shoots I forgot "General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) " and call for anything to say 15:43 tuxayo Any quick news? 15:44 tuxayo #info meeting after the next one: 17 August 2022, 14 UTC 15:45 cait1 tcohen: ? 15:45 tcohen Gitlab approved our Open Source Program status 15:46 cait1 ! 15:46 tuxayo wow great 15:46 cait1 tcohen++ gitlab++ that's great news 15:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES6 build #28: SUCCESS in 7 min 45 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_ES6/28/ 15:46 tcohen it was a generic response, they didn't answer specific things I mentioned on the details field 15:46 tuxayo they are flexible cool 15:46 tcohen they have a third party company that ponders cadidates 15:46 tuxayo lol 15:47 tuxayo tcohen++ thanks for managing to explain how we work and that even if we can't say we are non profit, we are respectable ^^ 15:47 tcohen and they have an 'Exception clause' by which they can release the project from requirements for 'strategic reasons' (meaning marketing, etc) 15:47 tcohen that said, they don't mention anything about the exception being made 15:48 tuxayo Koha is strategic yay! 15:48 tuxayo (actually yes!) 15:48 tcohen or address any of my questions 15:48 tuxayo #info Gitlab approved our Open Source Program status 15:48 tcohen But I wanted to hear about liliputech's offer from AFI 15:48 tuxayo still relevant indeed 15:48 cait1 tuxayo: we are as a community non profit, the only thing we miss is some type of organisaton that could apply 15:48 tcohen we'll see how things work once liliputech is back 15:49 tuxayo let's wrap it up then 15:49 tuxayo #endmeeting 15:49 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 15:49:05 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 15:49 huginn Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_20_july_2022.2022-07-20-14.02.html 15:49 huginn Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_20_july_2022.2022-07-20-14.02.txt 15:49 huginn Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_20_july_2022.2022-07-20-14.02.log.html 15:49 tuxayo thanks all for attending 15:49 cait1 tuxayo++ 15:50 tcohen tuxayo++ 15:50 ashimema tuzayo++ 15:52 tuxayo > we are as a community non profit 15:52 tuxayo debatable, the community is a structure that allows entities to collaborate and most of then are for profit. It's like an association of for profit companies to collaborate. Except it's open to anyone and we have like BSZ and Rijksmuseum collaborating also. 15:53 tuxayo The tool isn't neutral it depend on the members 15:54 paulderscheid[m] I'd argue that most of the related companies don't sell koha rather than hosting, cloud-services and therefore you could call it a non-profit project because on its own it doesn't generate any revenue 15:55 tcohen Joubu++ 15:55 paulderscheid[m] That‘s at least LMSCloud‘s stance on that matter 15:58 cait1 tuxayo: you can use the software without paying anyone -exactly 15:58 cait1 you can take Koha, use it, make it your own etc. and there is no 'community version' of the software vs a paid for one with extras 15:59 tuxayo paulderscheid: IIUC it's the angle that for libre software, we don't sell the code of Koha so that changes the thing. 15:59 tuxayo But most of us are directly of indirectly making a profit on the bugfixes and enhancements we do to Koha. We sell the changes of the code before integrating them into the common repo. It's just a weird order ^^ 15:59 cait1 then no OS project would pass 15:59 cait1 you can always pay someone to provide you services 15:59 paulderscheid[m] A non-profit organization is a group organized for purposes other than generating profit and in which no part of the organization's income is distributed to its members, directors, or officers. 16:00 paulderscheid[m] That‘s the legal stuff 16:00 paulderscheid[m] It a matter of interpretation ;) 16:01 paulderscheid[m] But I think you‘re right 16:01 paulderscheid[m] It‘s a gray area 16:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #31: SUCCESS in 7 min 40 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_ES7/31/ 16:02 paulderscheid[m] But the GitLab thing is great 16:02 paulderscheid[m] tcohen++ 16:02 cait1 agreed :) 16:02 cait1 heading out for a big, cya all 16:03 paulderscheid[m] And of course anyone else who was involved 16:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U22 build #145: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U22/145/ 16:09 tuxayo > you can use the software without paying anyone -exactly 16:09 tuxayo Which makes it a more sane model and is more greedproof. But that doesn't change that a grant to the project (with hardware ressources in the case of GitLab) will in big part be a grant to the for profit companies that contribute to it. 16:10 tuxayo > then no OS project would pass 16:10 tuxayo That's correct. Most the time it would be a big help to a for profit entity so if one is allergic to that that limits a lot to which project one can help. 16:10 tuxayo > you can always pay someone to provide you services 16:10 tuxayo It's not about what you can do. But what is done in practice. Most of active people in the community are on the payroll of subcontractors for a for profit. 16:10 tuxayo *or subcontractors 16:10 tuxayo > A non-profit organization is a group organized for purposes other than generating profit and in which no part of the organization's income is distributed to its members, directors, or officers. 16:10 tuxayo When the group is mostly for profit companies, transitivity should apply. 16:11 tuxayo And that the goal is to help the activity of the members 16:11 tuxayo It's not only about the members. But the finality also, the FIFA and the Olympics â„¢ï¸ are non profits. But the largest finality is to sell us products through the massive advertising. 16:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #496: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/496/ 16:16 tuxayo There is something that might change how we view things actually. Why only see the active people and entities in the project. But what if we consider all ten thousand plus libraries using Koha that are totally invisible. 16:26 tuxayo If they are mostly self hosted then the dozens of active contributors working for for-profits are a drop of water. But if they are hosted by small for-profit IT companies (that never contribute to Koha T_T) , we can still consider Koha a for profit. 16:26 tuxayo And that would be the dominant factor. Not the active contributors. 16:27 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #750: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/750/ 16:27 tuxayo So it's something about the taking the whole pool of payed work hours to work on Koha and if the pay comes from of a for-profit. 16:27 tuxayo What about Koha usage then? The number of librarians using it dwarfs all the support/hosting providers staff. And most libraries are non-profits. 16:27 tuxayo Then companies making all the non-libre ILSs could be considered non-profit. Because the profits to their shareholders are peanuts compared to the usage of their software by libraries. 16:27 tuxayo 🤯 16:27 tuxayo That's enough philosophy for today. 16:30 reiveune bye 17:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #929: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_My8/929/ 17:32 tcohen hi fridolin 18:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D12 build #210: SUCCESS in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D12/210/ 18:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master build #2116: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/2116/