Time  Nick             Message
00:31 kolvir           I'm trying to get koha running and followed the installation steps in the wiki but am getting an error from apache2 when trying to restart it after the set up apache step: AH00534: apache2: Configuration error: No MPM loaded
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03:22 mtj              thanks tcohen, it was a coverage typo, oops
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03:48 wajasu           just a wild guess. https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian under the Install Koha section, if you are installing under ubuntu, you might need a2dismod mpm-event, and apt-get install -f
03:49 wajasu           i believe mpm-itk is what is used under debian, and ubuntu is a debian derivative.
03:57 mtj              # sudo a2enmod mpm_itk mpm_prefork
03:58 mtj              kolvir: try that command ^
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04:35 kolvir           sudo a2enmod mpm_itk mpm_prefork ERROR: Module mpm_itk does not exist! Considering conflict mpm_event for mpm_prefork: Considering conflict mpm_worker for mpm_prefork: Module mpm_prefork already enabled
04:36 kolvir           Am running Ubuntu
04:37 kolvir           search for mpm_itk gives :libapache2-mpm-itk/jammy,now 2.4.7-04-1 amd64 [installed]   multiuser module for Apache
04:38 kolvir           sudo a2enmod libapache2_mpm_itk ERROR: Module libapache2_mpm_itk does not exist!
04:39 kolvir           replacing '_' with '-' gives the same. Figured it wouldn't work but am trying everything
04:40 mtj              hi kolvir, whats the error when restarting apache?
04:41 mtj              sudo apachectl  restart
04:44 mtj              kolvir: it seems you are missing the libapache2-mpm-itk pkg
04:44 mtj              sudo apt install libapache2-mpm-itk
04:44 kolvir           no, I have it installed
04:44 kolvir           apache restart give this for the first time:
04:45 kolvir           AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message
04:45 mtj              ah yes,  [installed]
04:45 mtj              kolvir: you can ignore that warning :)
04:45 mtj              so, problem is fixed
04:46 mtj              sudo  apachectl status
04:46 mtj              should be happy ^
04:47 kolvir           well I'm getting differnent errors, which is progress.
04:48 kolvir           wont let me paste from the terminal here anymore for some reason
04:49 mtj              https://vidigest.com/2020/05/08/apache2-set-servername-directive-globally/
04:49 mtj              https://paste.koha-community.org/
04:50 kolvir           ty, ill check that out in the tomorrow, have a early morning. Don't know what exactly got me past the previous error, have reinstalled so many things that I lost track
04:50 kolvir           but the current one seems unrelated to koha which is huge. Thanks again.
04:51 mtj              https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/155150/where-in-apache-2-do-you-set-the-servername-directive-globally
04:51 mtj              no probs :)
04:52 kolvir           that's a good link too, thanks
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05:34 thd              mtj: Are you present?
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06:20 liliputech       hi koha
06:22 alex_            Bonjour
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08:08 ashimema         Morning
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09:02 Joubu            @later tell fridolin ping 22070 comment 14?
09:02 huginn           Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:16 fridolin         answered
09:17 Joubu            fridolin: Did you try the patch then?
09:22 paulderscheid[m] Good morning #koha-irc:matrix.org
09:26 fridolin         Joubu: sorry no time right now
09:35 paulderscheid[m] I just finished my first couple of client projects and had to make a number of modifications to the respective OPACs to do so, which made me relatively unhappy, as yes, that does cause problems with upgrades. So I'd like to suggest something. How about we work together to convert the OPAC to a combination of Mojolicious and Vue components and create a unified design system for this. We don't have enough front-end developers at LMSCloud
09:35 paulderscheid[m] for such a big project, and it's supposed to be community-compatible anyway, so all Koha users can enjoy it. Would anyone like to participate?
09:37 fridolin         paulderscheid[m]: great project indeed
09:37 fridolin         i bet we all are interested
09:38 paulderscheid[m] Either way, I'm going to start creating a design system that follows Apple's Human Interface Guidelines.
09:38 paulderscheid[m] In part, that's what I did for my bachelor's degree
09:38 fridolin         Apple from the company or just the fruit ?
09:38 paulderscheid[m] The company
09:39 fridolin         ah, not really a friend of opensource ^^
09:39 paulderscheid[m] They have some of the best researches in the game
09:39 fridolin         our OPAC dont need the best i think, average will be great
09:39 paulderscheid[m] We could also borrow from Google's Material Design Studies
09:39 fridolin         i know more about this one
09:40 fridolin         in any case we need to cover all features in REST API right ?
09:40 Joubu            paulderscheid[m]: great idea! I won't have much time to participate but I will be happy to hear more about it!
09:40 fridolin         https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/REST_api_RFCs
09:40 paulderscheid[m] fridolin: Yes
09:41 fridolin         ah OK, maybe focus on that first
09:41 fridolin         and also create a POC
09:42 Joubu            paulderscheid[m]: however before integrating more Vue into Koha, I think we should first focus on the first step, getting the ERM base and see how people are feeling about the code. But nothing to prevent us from anticipating the next step ;)
09:42 paulderscheid[m] Joubu: That's right
09:43 paulderscheid[m] I just wanted to get that out.
09:43 Joubu            the earlier the better :)
09:44 Joubu            what kind of problems did you face and are trying to fix?
09:44 paulderscheid[m] The first and foremost goal of the proposed project would be to make the OPAC as customizable as possible via configuration.
09:45 paulderscheid[m] There have been no technical problems or I'd filed a bug 😄
09:45 Joubu            @later tell tcohen seen 31022?
09:45 huginn           Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:46 Joubu            paulderscheid[m]: how Vue would help us to make the OPAC more customizable (rephrasing the question then :D)?
09:46 lilipute1h       paulderscheid[m]: nice / interesting proposal, but agreed with joubu, having a first POC would be great to begin with :)
09:47 paulderscheid[m] Joubu: Vue isn't a must. I just want reusable components everywhere, that you can insert into a grid.
09:48 paulderscheid[m] So you can customize the OPAC the way the client wants it without breaking any functionality.
09:48 lilipute1h       there is also a big on going effort @BibLibre to provide with a rebranded/renewed staff interface, we need testers :)
09:49 paulderscheid[m] I'll hop on that as soon as I finish the changes a client just mailed me this morning.
09:49 paulderscheid[m] 😄
09:49 Joubu            lilipute1h: well we need the patches first :D And we are talking about OPAC here
09:54 Joubu            paulderscheid[m]: maybe a first step would be to isolate the "blocks/components" using WRAPPER. Are you aware of the discussion dcook started a couple of months ago?
09:54 Joubu            I mean, the WRAPPER TT directive
09:54 paulderscheid[m] No
09:55 Joubu            time's flying, it was in March
09:55 Joubu            https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2022-March/046949.html
09:56 paulderscheid[m] That would be a great start
09:58 paulderscheid[m] This is kinda like components and props
09:59 paulderscheid[m] In the meantime I'd like to share a tool that might be beneficial to others
10:00 paulderscheid[m] https://github.com/LMSCloud/LMSEntryPages
10:00 paulderscheid[m] It's very tailored to our use case but can be easily modified
10:24 mtj              hi Joubu, it seems that jenkins is not running t/00-check-atomic-updates.pl, as it has no shebang line
10:27 mtj              ..i guess its a quirk/feature of the 'prove' tool
10:34 mtj              it looks like we have other shebang-less test files that are probably being skipped by jenkins
10:35 mtj              koha/t$ tree -f  | grep '\.t'  | wc -l
10:35 mtj              559
10:35 mtj              koha/t$ grep -rl  '#!/' ./*  | wc -l
10:35 mtj              527
10:36 mtj              559 - 527 = 32
10:38 oleonard_        559 - 527?
10:38 wahanui           32
10:38 mtj              bug 31108 seems to be why jenkins did not detect ./installer/data/mysql/atomicupdate/bug_30899.pl in 22.05.22 release
10:38 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31108 major, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , add missing shebang line to ./t/00-check-atomic-updates.pl
10:38 oleonard_        Let wahanui do the hard work :D
10:39 mtj              559 - 527
10:39 wahanui           32
10:39 mtj              nice :)
10:39 mtj              oops, 22.05.02 release
10:45 mtj              Joubu: regarding why to use '#!/usr/bin/env perl'... i recall it being prefered, as it makes the codebase more portable
10:51 mtj              aah, click - its not the shebang.. its the filename extention...  .pl not .t
10:58 mtj              new patch sent
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12:03 wahanui          Congratulations!
12:10 oleonard_        Wow it's a real pain in the ass to get back into the OPAC if you delete the patron that's currently logged in...
12:12 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
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12:12 wahanui          Congratulations!
12:12 oleonard_        I knew you'd understand, wahanui
12:12 wahanui          oleonard_: excuse me?
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12:34 oleonard_        Testing Bug 30933, but misc/cronjobs/delete_patrons.pl seems to be not working as I expect it to...
12:34 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30933 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Add a designated owner for shared and public lists at patron deletion
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12:44 caroline         Can someone confirm the duplicate warning when cataloguing (https://koha-community.org/manual/22.05/en/html/_images/duprecordwarn.png) uses ISBN or title/author to check for duplicates? I think I found something in C4/Search.pm (FindDuplicate) but I just want to make sure I'm reading it right since I don't know perl
13:07 oleonard_        caroline: I think you're right that FindDuplicate is what is doing the checking
13:08 oleonard_        Looks like it tries to find a dupe by ISBN first, and then moves on to title and author if no ISBN match is found.
13:28 caroline         cool, thanks oleonard_ !
13:31 caroline         I'll add it to the manual in case someone else is looking for that info
13:37 oleonard_        ...and hopefully if I'm wrong someone will correct me!
14:22 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 23991: Don't display empty div if no suggestions exist <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8052ee34a99a0bf8ecb031facd9389807fd9ee4b>
14:26 Joubu            Our dates formatting handling is a real mess. I have been struggling when working on ERM (accessing our JS functions that are defined in include files, from vue files...) and bug 30650.
14:26 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30650 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Convert the Curbside Pickup plugin to Koha core
14:27 Joubu            We really need to remove momentjs in favor of dayjs, and use dayjs as much as we can. We could remove a lot of our own date parsing functions
14:28 Joubu            We need bug 30310, and bug 30718, but also more followups to clean the whole area
14:28 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30310 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Replace Moment.js with Day.js
14:28 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30718 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Use flatpickr's altInput option everywhere
14:28 tcohen           hola Joubu
14:28 Joubu            I am willing to work on it, but I need people for fast SO and QA as it won't be possible to maintain the patchset up-to-date
14:28 Joubu            who's onboard with me?
14:28 oleonard         Me
14:29 Joubu            the altInput option from flatpickr is AWESOME, and I have really no idea why we haven't looked into that direction before
14:30 Joubu            but we will remove a LOT of our date manipulation
14:30 Joubu            everything will be coming from the DB to the vue, without doing ANYTHING
14:30 Joubu            not sure it's clear what I am saying, but we will sanitize our code a lot
14:32 oleonard         For some reason my own test database didn't like the latest upgrade, though it didn't show an error...
14:32 oleonard         Now I'm seeing this: DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'me.renewals_count' in 'field list' at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/Item.pm line 410
14:32 oleonard         ...when loading checkouts on the checkout page.
14:33 oleonard         It's fine with the official sample data.
14:34 Joubu            does the DB column exist?
14:35 Joubu            Bug 30275: Rename issues.renewals to issues.renewals_count
14:35 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30275 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Checkout renewals should be stored in their own table
14:36 oleonard         It's still issues.renewals
14:37 Joubu            oleonard: it was 220600011.pl
14:38 Joubu            the db_rev
14:39 ashimema         hmm
14:39 ashimema         weird
14:39 ashimema         tthe SQL looks OK to me
14:39 ashimema         ALTER TABLE '' CHANGE ;;
14:39 ashimema         that's the usual syntax right
14:40 tcohen           CHANGE COLUMN?
14:40 wahanui          tcohen: that doesn't look right
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14:42 Joubu            CHANGE COLUMN?
14:42 wahanui          Joubu: that doesn't look right
14:42 Joubu            lol, another one
14:42 Joubu            wahanui: go search for something
14:42 wahanui          Joubu: i'm not following you...
14:45 Joubu            search for something?
14:46 alohabot         🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo  🍲🍘🍏
14:46 oleonard         The new table was created successfully but the two ALTER TABLE instructions after that don't seem to have run
14:47 oleonard         Re-running the SQL manually, copied and pasted from the db_rev, fixed my problem
14:47 Joubu            the upgrade process is not supposed to let you continue if something wrong is happening when you update the DB
14:48 oleonard         I'll try running the CREATE TABLE manually on a previous db dump
14:54 oleonard         My mistake, I was testing using a db dump that had a previous iteration of the checkout_renewals table.
14:54 oleonard         Sorry for the noise.
15:04 FlorianB         Hi koha, a customer told us they used this demo for some tests: does anyone here know if there's an administration -level account for it? https://staff.koha-us.org/
15:05 FlorianB         'cause I couldn't find login credentials and tried some, eventually I got in with demo / demo, but it doesn't give me access to the admin menu
15:06 Joubu            demo/demo?
15:06 Joubu            ha
15:07 Joubu            admin/admin?
15:08 FlorianB         ...Well look at that, it works
15:08 FlorianB         Thanks joubu
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15:15 Joubu            tcohen: 28787 is waiting for your opinion
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15:16 Joubu            see comment 16 and especially what is before point 1.
15:16 Joubu            "Generally, I have some doubts about the API path api/v1/auth/send_otp_token. Sending a token is not a normally expected API action; it sounds like a 'misused verb'."
15:16 Joubu            For me it's correct.
15:16 Joubu            please reply on the bug ;)
15:16 Joubu            bye #koha, see you tomorrow
15:20 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 30275: (QA follow-up) Fix TestBuilder.t <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b4eaac91c91b5ceb19fb31d65043e63b8447b644>
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15:56 tcohen           ashimema++ # fixing tests
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17:08 cait             hm another API not working mail on the mailing list
17:15 tcohen           hmm
17:16 tcohen           can't seem to find it
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17:21 wahanui          Congratulations!
17:21 cait             i tried to reply
17:21 cait             Re: [Koha] Patron search not working after upgrade to version 22
17:21 cait             on a raspberry
17:22 cait             maybe you know what they need to do exactly
17:22 cait             hm you just did
17:22 cait             are you usre it#s nt the API not working? we had a lot of those reports
17:22 cait             like this one https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2022-June/057974.html
17:23 tcohen           I'm not sure
17:24 tcohen           they were very specific about patron search and those queries are really big and reach the reported header limit fairly easily
17:24 tcohen           but maybe worth asking them to use the inspector in the browser
17:24 tcohen           I'm working on the patch
17:24 tcohen           can you suggest inspecting in the browser
17:24 tcohen           ?
17:27 cait             i suggested checking the libraires page
17:27 cait             it also work with the API but is short
17:27 cait             if that is also broken we shoudl know
17:32 cait             tcohen: he just responded, libraries are broken
17:32 cait             but i don#t know the fix for his OS
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17:42 wajasu           playing around with fresh koha install 22.05
17:42 wajasu           did a koha-remove <instance>
17:44 wajasu           everything shutsdown, except the background_jobs_worker.pl daemon for my instance, so the userdel call for my library-koha system user fails.
17:44 wajasu           i guess i'll just kill the daemon, so i can do a koha-create for that same instance name.
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18:38 wahanui          Congratulations!
18:49 tcohen           \o/
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19:43 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 31108: rename ./t/00-check-atomic-updates.pl extension to *.t <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8884068904b77ecb8dff7875a056129443b08e6b>
19:43 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 30903: (follow-up) Fix error message class <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c698b3be5a4777b75c502eca6ee18b80110872c0>
19:43 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 30903: Fix UI glitch on the quotes upload view <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f36dbf09f635e42066d43799a79e634c15465a0e>
19:43 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 30903: Fix POST /quote <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e75a3a1ee34849384b28c236ca97f7d180591d4>
20:00 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
20:00 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D10 build #717: FIXED in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/717/
20:00 wahanui          Congratulations!
20:04 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 30976: Display biblio's cover images first <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c55159eb6a91891f7c1becd49ec927ee9a3a36a>
20:15 alohabot         🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo  🥔🥞🍫
20:37 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #990: UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest/990/
20:44 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D10 build #718: SUCCESS in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/718/
20:47 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_U20 build #471: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/471/
20:50 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_U22 build #121: UNSTABLE in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U22/121/
20:51 aleisha          hello!
20:55 tuxayo           meeting in 5 min!
20:55 tuxayo           qa_team?
20:55 wahanui          qa_team is cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova and Joubu
20:55 tuxayo           rmaint?
20:55 wahanui          rmaint is definitely a great job to find all kinds of things to fix and clarify in translations, system requirements, CI among others.
20:55 tuxayo           no!
20:55 tuxayo           actually yes but I wanted the list of people!
20:55 aleisha          rmaints?
20:55 wahanui          rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo
20:56 cait             HERE
20:56 cait             oops
20:56 tuxayo           ho lol it was just a missing s
20:56 tuxayo           thanks cait ^^
20:56 rangi[m]         no need to yell so early in the morning cait
20:56 tuxayo           > HERE
20:56 tuxayo           caps lock day
20:56 tuxayo           *you are late for
20:57 tuxayo           It was june 28
20:57 cait             rangi[m]: you mean late at night..
20:57 * ashimema       isn't really here..
20:58 * ashimema       is at scouts being a leader
20:58 tuxayo           :o
20:59 tuxayo           thanks aleisha for noticing I missed the s at rmaints. (it's not even morning and I'm mixing who says what ><)
21:00 aleisha          that's ok!
21:00 tuxayo           #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 6 July 2022
21:00 huginn           Meeting started Wed Jul  6 21:00:38 2022 UTC.  The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
21:00 huginn           Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
21:00 huginn           The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_6_july_2022'
21:00 tuxayo           #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_6_July_2022 Today's agenda
21:00 tuxayo           #topic Introductions
21:01 aleisha          #info Aleisha Amohia, Catalyst IT, Wellington New Zealand
21:01 tcohen           #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions, Argentina
21:01 hayley           #info Hayley Pelham, Catalyst IT, NZ
21:01 cait             #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
21:01 tuxayo           #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Inc., France
21:01 rangi[m]         #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, NZ
21:01 thd              #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
21:02 davidnind[m]     #info David Nind, NZ
21:03 tuxayo           #topic Announcements
21:04 tuxayo           Anything to announce that doesn't fit in the other topics better?
21:04 ashimema         #info Martin Renvoize, UK
21:04 davidnind[m]     Programme for KohaCon 2022 is now available
21:05 cait             good one
21:05 davidnind[m]     #link https://koha-us.org/events/conferences/kohacon22/#tab3
21:05 aleisha          exciting!
21:05 tuxayo           great :D
21:06 tuxayo           «Saving kittens and supporting Koha»
21:06 tuxayo           aleisha++
21:06 aleisha          :D
21:06 davidnind[m]     #info Schedule for KohaCon 2022 (in person and virtual) is now available https://koha-us.org/events/conferences/kohacon22/#tab3
21:07 tuxayo           Anything else?
21:07 wahanui          i heard Anything else was necessarily going to be incremental.
21:07 tuxayo           maybe wahanui
21:07 cait             move on :)
21:08 tuxayo           #topic  Update from the Release manager (22.05)
21:08 tuxayo           tcohen: 🎙️
21:08 tcohen           Hi, it's been a busy begining
21:09 tcohen           lots of bugfixes to push
21:09 tcohen           I have started pushing enhancements and some features last week
21:09 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9 build #2041: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/2041/
21:09 tcohen           or this one
21:09 rangi[m]         cool
21:09 wahanui          this one is on oleonard
21:09 tcohen           heh
21:09 tuxayo           koha-jenkins: not now for the bad news!
21:09 koha-jenkins     tuxayo did you mean me? Unknown command 'not'
21:09 koha-jenkins     Use '!koha-jenkins help' to get help!
21:09 tcohen           we had a minor storm with jenkins going nuts yesterday
21:10 tcohen           but thanks to
21:10 tcohen           mtj++
21:10 tcohen           ashimema++
21:10 tcohen           things are calm now
21:10 tcohen           I haven't heard from people that added to the roadmap
21:10 tcohen           I guess it is summer/vacation for many
21:10 tcohen           but it is time to focus on big things so we have
21:11 tcohen           time enough for having a great and stable release
21:11 tuxayo           > I guess it is summer/vacation for many
21:11 tuxayo           Is that the same in the south hemisphere?
21:11 aleisha          yes i'd really love to get back into helping - it's been hectic since VALA
21:11 tcohen           we have winter holidays (for the kids) next two weeks
21:11 tcohen           but that's it
21:11 rangi[m]         same here
21:12 tuxayo           ok so it's not usual to have most people 1 month off.
21:12 tcohen           #link https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_22.11_roadmap
21:12 rangi[m]         no, we do that in summer
21:12 tuxayo           So organizing stuff could work :)
21:12 tcohen           not in july, tuxayo
21:12 tcohen           I had the intention to resume work on the new 'holds' table
21:13 tcohen           if anyone is interested on helping there, just ping me
21:13 cait             we also have an unusual amount of bad bugs still
21:13 cait             so we also need to take care of those
21:13 tcohen           some of them are long standing/just ones, but yeah
21:13 cait             (not only the new and shiny stuff, please)
21:13 fridolin         #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, Tahiti
21:13 fridolin         sorry i'm late
21:13 cait             the list of recent ones has grown too
21:14 cait             but that#s for my slot possibly :9
21:14 tcohen           master has 342 commits on top of 22.05.00
21:14 tcohen           from which a not much is new stuffs
21:14 ashimema         I'm game for holds again tcohen
21:15 tcohen           thanks, ashimema
21:15 cait             was not directed at you, more at devs and qa :)
21:15 tcohen           yeah, just sharing numbers
21:15 ashimema         Also keen to continue of task queue refinements including the api and management page improvements
21:15 tcohen           devs are working on fixing things, some enh are really bugfixes
21:15 tcohen           probably not the urgent ones you point, cait
21:15 tcohen           thanks for that
21:16 tcohen           yeah, some big ones are about the task queue, and I'm waiting for lucas to help backporting things
21:16 ashimema         I started working through the QA queue again today after a week of concentrating on bugfixing
21:17 tcohen           thanks cait
21:17 ashimema         Apologies, not been as good at replying to QA manager emails this cycle so far
21:17 ashimema         cait++ for continuing those
21:18 davidnind[m]     I'll add some comments on the majors that need sign-off - I had no luck (or couldn't work out) how to test most of them
21:18 tcohen           so, that's it. ping if you're working on something and need help, guidance or just want to share ideas. Also, type qa_team here to get a list of people you can nudge
21:19 ashimema         Thanks davidnind, your signoffs and comments are always welcome.. they really help in keeping things moving
21:19 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #901: UNSTABLE in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_My8/901/
21:19 aleisha          yes agreed
21:19 aleisha          davidnind[m]++
21:19 cait             davidnind[m]++
21:19 tcohen           davidnind++
21:20 cait             so-hero
21:20 tuxayo           davidnind++
21:20 davidnind[m]     😊
21:20 tcohen           jenkins is doing funny things... I think it is related to some tasks using github which could not be synced?=
21:21 tcohen           moving on tuxayo?
21:21 tcohen           oh
21:21 tcohen           wait
21:21 tuxayo           k
21:22 tcohen           I wanted to mention Mason (mtj) added some ES-specific tasks so and isolated the search-related tests so they can be run for each search engine
21:22 tcohen           mtj++
21:22 tcohen           OpenSearch is failing BTW
21:22 tcohen           that's it
21:23 tuxayo           oh, E7 passes but nor OpenSearch :o
21:23 tcohen           worth checking
21:23 tuxayo           mtj++
21:23 tuxayo           #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
21:23 tuxayo           rmaints?
21:23 wahanui          rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo
21:24 cait             tcohen++ mtj++
21:25 davidnind[m]     tcohen++ mtj++
21:25 tuxayo           1st 21.05.x release was fine, caught up with the late backports. Had the chance to work next to liliputech for their 1st release, it helped with the usual quirks of 1st release.
21:25 tuxayo           #topic Updates from the QA team
21:25 tuxayo           qa_team?
21:25 wahanui          i heard qa_team was cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova and Joubu
21:25 tcohen           tuxayo++
21:25 cait             as pointed out earlier, I am worried about the numbers in QA queue rising and also especially the bad bugs number rising
21:26 cait             there is not only old stuff in that list and the list of recent ones I list in the QA mail has also grown
21:26 cait             new stuff is great but we need to figure out those as well
21:26 tcohen           do you have a link to the list?
21:26 tcohen           its the SO queue?
21:26 cait             we've had an unusual high number of update issues this time around
21:27 cait             yes, the "waiting for QA queue"
21:27 cait             we had it down to oldest bug less than 2 weeks old
21:27 cait             now we are at... oldest bugs are from May
21:28 cait             so 2 monts waiting, not quite where we want to be
21:28 cait             I feel we need to check the database updates more maybe
21:28 davidnind[m]     #link Signed Off https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=Signed%20Off&known_name=Signed%20Off&list_id=416322&query_based_on=Signed%20Off&query_format=advanced
21:28 cait             and unrelated to QA: there have been people stuck with their updates on the mailing list
21:29 cait             and it would be great to see more help with this very technical questions
21:30 cait             a lot of people have reported the API not working (missing the instructions about packages for older Linux versions)
21:30 ashimema         I think perhaps this is more apparent now because we no longer quietly continue when things go wrong.. we instead stop the uodate
21:30 cait             there are some reoccurring issues we like that we could do better about
21:30 ashimema         But yes, we should get better at spotting and fixing these issues
21:30 cait             it's possible
21:31 cait             but people get stuck and don't know how to continue - so they'll need help
21:31 ashimema         And even better at catching cases at QA.. it's not simple though.. those dB issues often happen when there's a totally unexpected state the dB is in
21:31 cait             I know
21:31 cait             so first step: please help people on the mailing list fix their installations when you are able to
21:32 cait             second step: let's try to avoid these bugs
21:32 cait             ... also second step: maybe be 'louder' about them doing proper backups before updates... and what they can do if there are errors
21:33 cait             that's all from me... please do more QA! :)
21:34 tuxayo           #topic Status of roadmap projects
21:34 tuxayo           any news?
21:34 thd              I have update the bug report for the wiki.
21:34 tuxayo           bug 23073
21:34 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23073 normal, P2, ---, td-koha-bugs, NEW , wiki.koha-community.org needs updating to a later version
21:35 aleisha          #info shoutout to those working on the recalls follow-up bugs, very exciting that the community is finally sharing that work and we are improving the feature collectively :)
21:35 thd              I reloaded git with hyphens or dashes instead of underscores in filenames so that version control works even after that change.
21:36 tcohen           thd++
21:36 thd              The wiki/File:some_image 404 bug is Nginx configuration.
21:36 thd              Works fine in Apache
21:37 thd              The test wiki instances in Apache can be seen on port 9443
21:37 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_U20 build #472: UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/472/
21:38 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 31067: Fixing missing permission check <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3faa4d66ba281125be437a971d1549ba8179ec3>
21:38 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 30769: Typo fix in request.tt <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a78666fd0dfeb946082e8e81c08bed2dc2c7d90>
21:38 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 31001: Fix "CGI::param called in list context" warning in basket.pl <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=096fd4acfa360e450e9d6a1a37a96f7eb8d848c8>
21:38 tcohen           thd: can you share that information on the list?
21:38 cait             thd: I still owe some testing, hope to do it till beginning of next week
21:38 cait             ssh huginn, we are in a meeting!
21:39 thd              I am going to test putting at least the current 1.35 LTS on Debian 10.
21:39 tcohen           we need to move that to koha-ci
21:39 tuxayo           *#koha-bots
21:39 thd              Yes, I will send a message to the mailing list about testing.
21:39 tuxayo           > ssh huginn, we are in a meeting!
21:39 tuxayo           that's tcohen sneaking commits in master ^^
21:39 tcohen           thanks!
21:39 tuxayo           hope to go undetected but no!
21:40 tcohen           need an #action for thd
21:40 thd              mtj may be providing a VPS for testing database migration on Debian 8
21:40 thd              Previous testing has been Debian 9
21:41 cait             have their been problems with Debian 9 or hwy test with an older verson?
21:41 tuxayo           #action thd sends a message to the mailing list about testing the wiki upgrade
21:41 tuxayo           like that?
21:41 tcohen           thd will send I'd say, but yes
21:42 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D10 build #719: UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/719/
21:42 tcohen           I need to put updates on the roadmap
21:42 tuxayo           ah I conjugated send ^^"
21:42 thd              A significant issue is that sury.org just dropped support for PHP LTS for Debian 9 which is old old stable.
21:42 tcohen           before I leave to have a life with the family :-D
21:43 thd              My test instance of Debian 9 still works fine and PHP LTS from sury.org or Debian 9 is archived.
21:43 tcohen           - Task queue streamlining: Joubu has worked on the API and streamlining things. dcook has provided insights on things
21:44 thd              I tested in Debian 9 because everything old and new works there.
21:44 tcohen           - ERM: jonathan has a demo sandbox on biblibre's, and progress is taking place
21:44 thd              We may have to divide old for database migration from new upgrade to MediaWiki 1.35 LTS.
21:45 tcohen           - Vue: so far only the cities admin page uses it, and the ERM. multiple enhancements are required to streamline the integration for Vue. We have many things solved that need to be redone. Jonathan worked on the date/date-time handling stuff, help is welcome
21:45 thd              The intention was always to put the production system on Debian 10 or 11.
21:46 tcohen           - Continued API refinements: Things are in the SO queue!
21:46 tcohen           and I need to leave now!
21:46 thd              Old versions of Debian are necessary to avoid breaking the wiki when migrating the database.
21:46 tcohen           bye!
21:46 thd              bye tcohen
21:46 cait             thx thd
21:47 tuxayo           Anything else?
21:47 wahanui          well, Anything else is necessarily going to be incremental.
21:47 tuxayo           wahanui forget anything else
21:47 wahanui          tuxayo: I forgot anything else
21:49 tuxayo           #topic Actions from last meeting
21:49 tuxayo           cait try to draw how extended support/LTS would work (https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57)
21:49 tuxayo           cait++
21:49 cait             I did my homework
21:49 davidnind[m]     cait++
21:50 fridolin         cait++
21:50 cait             the basic quesiton is... how many versions can we maintain?
21:50 * fridolin       sends a big smelling cheese
21:50 cait             at the same time
21:51 cait             and which version will be the LTS now
21:51 tuxayo           What is the scenario for which we need 5 rmaints?
21:51 cait             if we cut maintenance short on regular releases to 1 year... we can do with 3 people
21:51 cait             if we want to have 1.5, we need at least 4
21:51 cait             tuxayo: that's the past
21:51 tuxayo           oh
21:51 davidnind[m]     should we only have one LTS release at a time (if that is possible)?
21:51 cait             we did have 5 rmaints for 21.11
21:52 cait             now we got only 3 for this
21:52 cait             this cycle
21:52 tuxayo           *4 there was hole
21:52 tuxayo           In the previous cycles
21:52 cait             so the blue line is what we currnelty maintain
21:52 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9 build #2042: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/2042/
21:53 cait             the first table is "if we make 21.11 LTS"
21:53 cait             the second table is "if we make 22.05 an LTS"
21:53 tuxayo           > should we only have one LTS release at a time (if that is possible)?
21:53 tuxayo           It's possible to have two while the next LTS in stable, oldstable or oldoldstable IIUC
21:53 cait             ashimema suggested there shoudl be an overlap
21:53 cait             you still want to give people time for the update
21:53 cait             this model has a year long overlap, it could be half a year
21:54 cait             then the next lts would be one version later
21:55 cait             but it makes things a little less predictable
21:55 tuxayo           If we only have regular support for 1 year to have 3 rmaints in total, then people can't jump from .11 to .11 and .05 to .05
21:55 cait             yeah, so we'd need 4 rmaints
21:55 tuxayo           Yes
21:55 cait             it's my feeling too actually
21:56 cait             feel free to add your own drawings too
21:56 cait             1.5 would be better than a year for regular
21:57 cait             what do others think?
21:57 tuxayo           > yeah, so we'd need 4 rmaints
21:57 tuxayo           With the LTS RMaint only doing releases for security or dependency breakage or other critical stuff. So it seems manageable to find someone for that.
21:59 tuxayo           > feel free to add your own drawings too
21:59 tuxayo           Someone is doing it now at J18 :)
21:59 tuxayo           spread sheet is a great idea
21:59 cait             yeah i just tried with half a year overlap
21:59 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
21:59 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D12 build #195: FIXED in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D12/195/
21:59 wahanui          Congratulations!
21:59 cait             and 1.5 for regular
22:00 davidnind[m]     is the end result that you only have one extended support/LTS version at a time?
22:00 cait             you'd have an overlap of half a year
22:00 cait             if you only have one at a time, people have no time for updating
22:00 cait             so this model is that we announce what version will be LTS at its release
22:01 cait             and people will have 6 months to move to it
22:01 davidnind[m]     +1
22:02 tuxayo           and people can move when it's already oldstable. So it's okay for stability
22:02 cait             so the parameters of how big the overlap and of how long we maintain regular effect the number of rmaints
22:02 cait             I am not sure how to progress from here
22:02 cait             should we have a vote next meeting?
22:03 tuxayo           Looks good to move forward
22:03 tuxayo           how do we handle that we have two meeting slots with different people ? ^^"
22:03 cait             I initially thought about making 21.11 LTs... but feel now that we might want to choose 22.05 instead
22:04 davidnind[m]     I agree - gives time to make sure we have everything set up, without being a rush
22:05 cait             well, ideal might be even 22.11...
22:05 tuxayo           > we might want to choose 22.05 instead
22:05 tuxayo           I don't get what that changes except have the LTS effective sooner?
22:05 cait             just maybe a bit unusual to announce an already old release.. .might be more effective if we do with the current stable
22:05 cait             but that's maybe something we could finally decide on next meeting
22:05 cait             1) which version will be LTS
22:06 cait             2) overlap time (half year or year)
22:06 cait             3) regular maint time (1 year, 1.5 years...)
22:06 davidnind[m]     +1
22:06 tuxayo           good finding cait that in some cycle we don't need an LTS RMaint
22:07 tuxayo           So we can choose do we always need 4 or sometimes need only 3
22:07 davidnind[m]     Those not able to attend next meeting - add apologies and record votes in advance (if questions added to the agenda)
22:07 cait             with the shorter overlap it gets a bit more 'irregular' yes
22:07 cait             i can add the questions to agenda
22:07 tuxayo           > Those not able to attend next meeting - add apologies and record votes in advance (if questions added to the agenda)
22:07 tuxayo           Good idea and call for vote in the devel list
22:08 cait             i can also polish the table/drawing a bi tmore of the last iteration, but first need to sleep
22:09 davidnind[m]     cait++
22:09 tuxayo           > 2) overlap time (half year or year)
22:09 tuxayo           It chances for libraries that are more confortable doing major upgrade for summer. So that changes with hemispheres
22:10 cait             yeah, I'd be a little more comfortable with a year
22:10 cait             you can also give it half a year to get more stable then
22:10 cait             before updating
22:11 tuxayo           Hopefully or oldstable is good enough so that it's not really a factor
22:11 cait             listen to your QAM about fixing bugs! ;)
22:11 tuxayo           A year overlap might be best so libraries can choose to upgrade every X years at the middle of the year or in the beginning/end of the year.
22:11 tuxayo           QAM?
22:12 cait             i'll let you ponder that
22:12 cait             i think it's most ly us discussing, maybe move on?
22:12 tuxayo           https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrature_amplitude_modulation
22:12 tuxayo           ok moving on
22:13 davidnind[m]     #action Extended support/LTS release - vote at the next meeting with questions added to the agenda, those unable to attend (time zone challenges) can add their votes to the agenda
22:13 tuxayo           So cait you finish the drawing with 4 rmaints and sometimes 3 and we discuss that in two weeks?
22:13 cait             yep
22:14 cait             it'd be great if someone else could send something to mailng list
22:14 tuxayo           #action cait finish the LTS drawing example with 4 rmaints and sometimes 3
22:14 davidnind[m]     #action davidnind Extended support/LTS release - send notice to mailing list
22:14 tuxayo           Thanks
22:15 cait             thanks :)
22:15 alohabot         🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo  🍐🥭🍔
22:15 tuxayo           #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
22:16 cait             could we maybe discuss kohacon first?
22:16 tuxayo           ok
22:16 tuxayo           what's up with KohaCon?
22:16 cait             I just wanted to ask if we shoudl put up the bidding page before next General meeting
22:16 davidnind[m]     I would suggest discussing KohaCon23 first then deferring anything else to the next meeting
22:16 cait             because the next General is already in September and that makes it harder for countries that would like to host at an earlier time of the year
22:17 cait             yes, sorry, I meant KohaCon23
22:17 tuxayo           Indeed!
22:17 cait             if we have multple applications and need to organize voting etc. it could get quite late otherwiese
22:18 davidnind[m]     agree
22:18 cait             ok, so are we still happy with hybrid or online only?
22:19 cait             if so, we could just add the bidding page and send out, the question si really if we want to change things around again
22:19 davidnind[m]     I'm happy to setup the Wiki page and draft a message for the mailing lists
22:19 cait             +1
22:20 cait             is 2 months enough? then we could set deadline to next general meeting
22:20 davidnind[m]     I think hybrid is the way to go for the future - the tools for doing this are getting better, but does take more effort to do both and make it a good experience for all attendees
22:20 tuxayo           > are we still happy with hybrid or online only
22:20 tuxayo           Maybe a priority to a hybrid bid over an online only bid?
22:21 cait             I think tha tmight happen in voting
22:21 tuxayo           > I think tha tmight happen in voting
22:21 tuxayo           right$
22:21 cait             if we have multiple bids - more asking what types of conference is eligible for applying
22:21 tuxayo           *right
22:21 rangi[m]         yeah
22:22 rangi[m]         i think getting the bids out soon is a good idea
22:22 cait             half asleep, hope i make sense
22:22 davidnind[m]     I think 2 months is enough (open to that though) - would be ideal to vote at the general meeting
22:22 davidnind[m]     we can always extend...
22:22 tuxayo           yes
22:22 cait             yes
22:23 tuxayo           #action davidnind setup the KohaCon23 bid Wiki page and draft a message for the mailing lists
22:23 davidnind[m]     you are too dedicated cait - nearly 12:30 am for you (I think) 🙂
22:24 tuxayo           cait++
22:24 aleisha          cait++
22:24 tuxayo           anything else about KohaCon23?
22:24 cait             i should have not put that last on the agenda :)
22:24 cait             same for tuxayo btw
22:24 cait             nothing else from me
22:25 tuxayo           I'm usually awake at this hour and don't start my work day a 9am so that not an issue ^^
22:25 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_U22 build #122: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U22/122/
22:26 tuxayo           #info GitLab policy changes: registering Koha as an Open Source project (see May email discussion + see June email discussion)
22:26 tuxayo           #info https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2022-May/047081.html
22:26 tuxayo           #info https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2022-June/047134.html
22:26 tuxayo           #info GitLab change to free tier SASS user limit for namespace: change from 15 September 2022 https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/free_user_limit.html
22:26 tuxayo           So that was some info left in the agenda to keep everyone informed about the change in GitLab.com
22:27 tuxayo           That we use for building our docker image and the manuals
22:27 tuxayo           Anything else before setting time for the next meeting?
22:28 fridolin         You can note i've change a bit https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_requirements_and_recommendations#General
22:29 davidnind[m]     nothing from me that can't wait until the next meeting
22:29 davidnind[m]     fridolin++
22:29 fridolin         KohaCon23 in Tahiti maybe ? \o/
22:30 tuxayo           I forgot
22:30 tuxayo           action: liliputech discuss koha CI (docker image built + manual build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by BibLibre's partner AFI.
22:30 tuxayo           fridolin: can you ping liliputech about this?
22:30 tuxayo           #action liliputech discuss koha CI (docker image built + manual build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by BibLibre's partner AFI.
22:31 tuxayo           #topic Set time of next meeting
22:31 tuxayo           #info Next meeting: 20 July 2022, 14 UTC
22:31 rangi[m]         id come fridolin !
22:31 fridolin         sure
22:31 fridolin         yep only 5000Km from NZ
22:31 fridolin         and we will comme to KohaCon25 in NZ \o/
22:31 davidnind[m]     I would too!
22:31 tuxayo           So for next meeting for Oceania and Americas, same hours I guess? 21 UTC
22:32 davidnind[m]     +1
22:32 fridolin         +1
22:32 tuxayo           And the date would be the 3rd of August
22:32 tuxayo           UTC so the 4th of August for NZ IIUC
22:32 tuxayo           double check the calendar as usual
22:33 tuxayo           So it's noted unless the date is problematic.
22:33 tuxayo           And we can end
22:33 davidnind[m]     +1
22:33 tuxayo           #endmeeting
22:33 huginn           Meeting ended Wed Jul  6 22:33:48 2022 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
22:33 huginn           Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_6_july_2022.2022-07-06-21.00.html
22:33 huginn           Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_6_july_2022.2022-07-06-21.00.txt
22:33 huginn           Log:            https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_6_july_2022.2022-07-06-21.00.log.html
22:33 tuxayo           Thanks everyone for attending ^^
22:33 fridolin         tuxayo: ++
22:34 davidnind[m]     tuxayo++
22:34 fridolin         back to keyboard typing, see you all
22:35 thd              mtj: Are you still here?
22:44 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
22:44 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9 build #2043: FIXED in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/2043/
22:44 wahanui          Congratulations!
22:52 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master build #2098: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/2098/
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23:10 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
23:10 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #902: FIXED in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_My8/902/
23:10 wahanui          Congratulations!
23:22 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D12 build #196: SUCCESS in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D12/196/
23:55 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
23:55 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #991: FIXED in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest/991/
23:55 wahanui          Congratulations!
23:57 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
23:57 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_U20 build #473: FIXED in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/473/
23:57 wahanui          Congratulations!