Time  Nick             Message
02:37 thd              mtj: Are you present?
03:00 davidnind[m]     tuxayo++
03:00 davidnind[m]     (For use the new status 'Needs documenting')
03:00 davidnind[m]     s/use/using/
04:34 mtj              hi thd, here now.. sorry about the lateness
04:37 mtj              ..i can sort some VMs with more ram, to avoid our OOM problem
06:34 reiveune         hello
06:45 alex_            Bonjour
06:51 cait1            good morning #koha
07:30 simon_           is the debian server slow right now? i am trying to run a debian upgrade
07:32 simon_           apt upgrade stops with a timeout warning for 67.220.127.145
07:33 ashimema         ktd++ tcohen++ The README is Soo much clearer now
07:33 ashimema         morning #koha:matrix.org
07:37 simon_           apt slows down more and more and at some point throws an error
07:42 simon_           now it succeeded but very slowly
07:42 Joubu            mtj: ^^?
07:53 mtj              hi Joubu, simon_... there is a big job that runs daily, takes 3-ish hours
07:54 mtj              ..and its running now
07:57 mtj              gmcharlt: would you pleese consider running the perldoc/generate_koha_pod.pl cronjob, with a 'nice 19'?
07:58 mtj              ..on the kohawiki box
08:00 thd              mtj: Did you have any "WARNING: ftell mismatch with expected position" when running pg_restore on a wiki dump?
08:00 Joubu            ashimema: reported on bug 31022
08:00 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31022 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 400/404 actually returns 500
08:01 mtj              hi thd, many thanks for the email update, i plan to take a look tonight
08:03 mtj              hi thd: would you like a VM with more RAM? would 20G do?
08:04 thd              I was wondering if the ftell warning might not appear if you tried pg_restore on Debian 7 or Debian 8 and could be a consequence of running pg_restore on Debian 9.
08:07 thd              mtj: The OOM issue I have from time to time only happens when I overburden my VPS with non-koha related tasks spawning too many processes.  It would seem inappropriate for me to offload those onto a Koha VM.
08:09 thd              mtj: Moving some Koha testing on to a VM with 20G of RAM could be good if I had enough sleep and time.
08:11 thd              mtj: I just awoke for a few minutes after falling asleep in my chair unrestfully.  I need to sleep properly lying down as I have to show up for work today and was working overnight the previous night :)
08:11 mtj              the 20G vm can be a personal one for you
08:12 thd              mtj: Do you have you own server farm?
08:12 mtj              ha no... but i have my own server
08:13 mtj              i can do a 20G vm for you, no probs
08:14 mtj              thd: i think the  pg_restore error is probably specific to a PG version
08:15 mtj              prod wiki is running postgresql-9.4 (9.4.26-2.pgdg80+1)
08:19 thd              Fortunately, it is a warning and not an error from posgresql 9.6.24-0+deb9u on Debian 9.
08:41 thd              mtj: I have never noticed an actual problem from the pg_restore warning but every other Postgres warning in testing wiki database migration resulted in data loss.  This warning is for restore from the production system dump so everything depends upon that.
09:24 * thd            sleeps
10:32 vfernandes       hi #koha
10:34 vfernandes       it's possible to set Koha plugins to run under plack?
10:35 vfernandes       https://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha/blob/v22.05.00/debian/templates/plack.psgi
10:35 vfernandes       3 mount points: opac, intranet and api
10:36 vfernandes       it's possible to add another for plugins?
11:06 kidclamp         vfernandes: I thought they were run under plack
11:06 oleonard         o/
11:08 kidclamp         \o
11:28 pastebot         "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "docker run -v /Users/tcohen/gi" (1 line) at https://paste.koha-community.org/10283
11:47 tcohen           hola #koha
11:48 * oleonard       wonders what someone is looking for when the webserver 404 log has "/.atime" variations in it...
12:19 tcohen           tuxayo: check the new `ktd --logs` option
13:03 tcohen           tuxayo, liliputech please try KOHA_IMAGE=21.05 ktd up
13:03 tcohen           as opposed to export KOHA_IMAGE=21.05 ; ktd up
13:04 tcohen           well. both work
13:04 tcohen           not sure what's wrong for you :-D
13:40 cait1            oleonard: still around?
13:41 oleonard         Yep
13:41 cait1            you shared screenshots recently for the icons on the cataloguing forms, is there any hope for bug 7826?
13:41 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7826 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Standardize link for triggering plugins and auto-entry
13:42 ashimema         so if we're encouraging ktd -d what's the best way to bring it down again now tcohen?
13:42 oleonard         cait1: It's still on my to-do list
13:43 cait1            ok, thx!
13:43 * oleonard       has so many unfinished projects :(
13:44 cait1            it came up in our team meeting today, so I got the task to ask :)
13:45 cait1            ... and you have a lot of finished projects too
13:46 oleonard         That's a good way of thinking about it! :)
13:46 cait1            glass is always half full :)
13:49 * ashimema       just felt good clearing down the new 'Needs documenting' queue a bit 🙂
14:00 tuxayo           tcohen: if it's about the .env, we commented KOHA_IMAGE inside to circumvent the issue of .env precedence over ENV vars
14:03 tuxayo           ashimema: hopefully we do not encourage -d by default to have error messages by defaut
14:03 ashimema         mm
14:03 ashimema         stll
14:04 ashimema         is 'kd' still the recommended approach to stop
14:04 tuxayo           ktd down to stop de thing
14:04 ashimema         coolios
14:04 tuxayo           Both work
14:05 * ashimema       just found his first docs update that was highlighted by the new workflow 🙂
14:06 tuxayo           (That is just my tests, tcohen still know the actual vision, I don't know what they plan to recommend)
14:26 ashimema         oleonard around still?
14:26 oleonard         STILL!!
14:26 * oleonard       falls over dead
14:26 ashimema         bug 30599
14:26 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30599 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs documenting , Allow archiving multiple suggestions
14:26 ashimema         haha
14:26 ashimema         I wanted your thoughts on the UI
14:27 oleonard         I will take a look
14:27 ashimema         because it just adds another 'col-sm-2' div without adjusting the existing one's I think it looks a bit odd below the others
14:27 ashimema         i.e the col- now no longer adds up to 12 😜
14:28 ashimema         the obvious quick fix is to adjust the other ones down to make it fit alongside.. but I think the better fix would be to combine the 'Archive' and 'Delete' fieldsets
14:28 ashimema         they feel weird as they are to me now
14:38 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 31013: Quote branchcodes in Elasticsearch limits <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4c5bd58361900983f870f1c0e7f497ae3618c85>
14:38 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 25669: (follow-up) Minor fixes <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e926de5e8f359acf6b8beff541fe13ce2a5ac49e>
14:38 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 25669: Use include_type_name parameter in ES calls <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=150a4b03f337f6a58869c67d3681caa64441d53a>
14:39 caroline_catlady I was just documenting this this week... I admit it looks a bit weird, but it's also weirdly logical that they'd be in the same column?
14:39 caroline_catlady (Archive and delete I mean)
14:40 ashimema         I agree.. I think they should be in the same div though rather than two fieldsets
14:40 caroline_catlady The fact that they are very well separated also minimizes the risk of mistakenly deleting suggestions when you really want to archive them
14:40 ashimema         they feel so closely related
14:40 ashimema         fair
14:41 tcohen           tuxayo: I couldn't reproduce, locally
14:41 ashimema         so perhaps not so
14:41 tcohen           and the docker docs say ENV has precedence over .env
14:41 caroline_catlady just my opinion, do what you will with it
14:41 tcohen           maybe you're using a different docker distribution (older?)
14:41 tcohen           I'm using the official one
14:41 ashimema         so your already documenting it are you caroline
14:41 ashimema         I'll assign you on bugzilla over me then 🙂
14:42 caroline_catlady yes, I kind of went crazy and i'm redoing the whole chapter... david is going to hate me
14:42 ashimema         I love it..
14:42 ashimema         but beware..
14:42 ashimema         we're considering a cleanup of that area at the moment..
14:42 ashimema         I was somewhat troubled by the UI when I reviewed the patch to drop GetSuggetsions
14:43 caroline_catlady oh well, I have only two sections to go, so...
14:43 ashimema         hehe
14:43 ashimema         we won't work that quickly so it's still a worthwhile endeavour to clean it up 🙂
14:43 caroline_catlady and anyway EVERYTHJING will have to be redone if/when the staff interface desing gets in
14:44 caroline_catlady *redesign
14:46 ashimema         true
14:46 * ashimema       is desperate to see some code submissions there
14:46 ashimema         I don't want it left to the end of the cycle
14:48 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 30947: (follow-up) Remove unnecessary object cloning <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f60d887976972aafe16e1495ff46cee128ea81f>
14:48 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 30947: Add test for Illrequest checkout with custom due date <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3025373b69016bb9ea6ce120f847aec143f4a1a9>
14:48 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 30947: Simplify CanBookBeIssued date handling <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b4b43656ebe693b1445611d4d80b808cb7c6263>
14:51 oleonard         ashimema: Looking at it now, I realize I started to tinker with it at one point and then forgot about it :/
14:51 oleonard         Or maybe I gave up XD
14:52 ashimema         Hehe
14:52 ashimema         That's kinda where I got too.. it feels wrong as is to me, but we hen I dug into it I wasn't sure what would be better
14:53 ashimema         I tend to think process should be archive then delete.. rather than allowing for both at the same time myself
14:53 ashimema         But that's a bigger change
14:53 * tcohen         is thinking what the first enh/new feature push in master would be
14:54 ashimema         middle names.. it's small and nice 😜
14:54 ashimema         and I'm not biased at all.. haha
14:54 tcohen           I was thinking a long standing one, like 'adults can have guarantors'
14:55 ashimema         nice
14:55 ashimema         more adventurous and worthwhile
15:05 tcohen           default '0' for a tinyint
15:07 ashimema         is it a boolean?
15:07 ashimema         assuming so
15:08 ashimema         depends on context but my gut says false/0 makes sense in most cases?
15:09 tcohen           I would've expected a 0 instead of a string
15:10 ashimema         oh
15:10 ashimema         lol
15:10 ashimema         I presumed
15:10 ashimema         I read it as a int.. haha
15:13 reiveune         bye
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16:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 12446: (follow-up) Fix patron categories sample data <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=76d22780ede623ee33de32ff63c7f06dfda2b992>
16:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 12446: (QA follow-up) Rename canbeguarantee => can_be_guarantee <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=251a3bb58430b172e240df9e1df510588260bdbb>
16:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 12446: (QA follow-up) Minor kohastructure.sql fix <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d6d1cbd18329bc91b2320a6ea75a04f4333485f>
16:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 12446: DBRev 22.06.00.004 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1fbd8b3c63b136b1a98edd9babc7d9aa0287c1c>
16:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 12446: DBIC update <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d78c0e47305dd91ae10b28910c5a7ab8400f933a>
16:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 30950: Remove timepicker.inc <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=75bd5cfda14c2ddc7dfdb2939e0f67f3cb302c42>
16:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 12446: Fix typos <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eae7eb4dc01e5edad93d8fd02866ed05b5b440ee>
16:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 12446: Add canbeguarantee value to patron categories sample data <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=58e6cf9845054fe343174f430a31eb055c09e29d>
16:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 12446: Limit available categories when using "Add guarantee" button <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b69a7977d8285f6bb659c07c8480756b8e4b9044>
16:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 12446: Ability to allow guarantor relationship for all patron category types <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8f1b0e73d8a0b9562361b983a38d9eafcf202eb>
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17:08 wahanui          Congratulations!
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19:01 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 24239: DBRev 22.06.00.005 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0810d7d343d0b42c1d0670326c665f7b2a220c5c>
19:01 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 24239: (QA follow-up) Make dbrev idempotent <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=33e6256619bdb572ea61fddf82c7bbfcf23c8359>
19:01 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 24239: DBIC update <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c665cfb247539262cfc8544a964203fb2ee5211>
19:01 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 24239: (QA follow-up) Rename date_due => due_date <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed1a8812c1434901545971e2c8d56f0a55dd15aa>
19:01 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 24239: Unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b8e1d6f02eab714573c43fde7a79d2c1aa5a1b2>
19:01 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 24239: Add column illrequests.date_due <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=60f3c899b8f1c57375e97966ad75e1c6106c9aca>
19:01 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 29057: Use font awesome icons on request.pl <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a5779758a08ba8f34fbf21b48fe7369ff511d10>
19:01 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 24239: Let the ILL module set ad hoc hard due dates <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e9bab63e80412f3b9e2457ef0f76f6660c8d3d24>
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19:10 tcohen           bye all
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20:44 davidnind[m]     caroline++
20:46 caroline         I wouldn't ++ me too fast davidnind[m] , you havent seen what's coming
20:46 davidnind[m]     I'm sure it will be a great update 😄
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22:08 wahanui          Congratulations!
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