Time Nick Message 19:05 oleonard wajasu: 12 years is amazing 18:51 tcohen tuxayo++ 18:06 tuxayo wajasu: hope it will work well :) 17:56 wajasu the box ran in a closet with no admin for 12 years. 30,000 volumes in the library. 17:55 wajasu seeing if I can dump bilbios, authorities and load into latest debian11/koha 17:54 wajasu recovering and old koha server that died. got the mysql db backup. 17:52 wajasu yes. long time away. 16:56 tuxayo oh :D 16:56 oleonard tuxayo: wajasu isn't new, just long missing :) 16:33 tuxayo Do you work at a library? 16:33 tuxayo wajasu: hi :) Nice to see new names here. 16:28 wajasu nice seeing the crew at work 15:58 liliputech see u tomorrow :) 15:58 liliputech koha++ 15:58 liliputech ashimema++ tuxayo++ davidnind[m]++ nugged++ 15:57 nugged tuxayo++ 15:57 ashimema community++ 15:57 ashimema liliputech++ 15:57 ashimema davidnind++ 15:57 ashimema tuxayo++ 15:57 davidnind[m] tuxayo++ 15:57 tuxayo thanks all for the attendance 15:56 huginn Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_22_june_2022.2022-06-22-14.02.log.html 15:56 huginn Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_22_june_2022.2022-06-22-14.02.txt 15:56 huginn Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_22_june_2022.2022-06-22-14.02.html 15:56 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jun 22 15:56:36 2022 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 15:56 tuxayo #endmeeting 15:56 tuxayo Let's say that for now. reach out if a change is needed 15:56 tuxayo The 20th of July it would be 15:55 tuxayo For the next Americas + Europe meeting, same hour? 15:55 tuxayo That was what was discussed on last Oceania + Americas meeting 15:55 tuxayo #info Next meeting: 6 July 2022, 21 UTC 15:54 thd That is before any upgrade and merely on restoring the Postgres dump to Postgres . 15:54 tuxayo #topic Set time of next meeting 15:52 tuxayo #info contact thd if you can help with the wiki upgrade which hits this warning: "WARNING: ftell mismatch with expected position" 15:52 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30998 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, david, ASSIGNED , [DOCS] Managing documentation tasks - simplify processes and integrate more with the development process 15:52 davidnind[m] #info Add any comments and feedback on the "Needs documenting" status and work flow to bug 30998 15:52 thd please let me know. That is the only concerning thing in my logs but silent errors could be possible. 15:51 thd If anyone has deep insight into a pgrestore warning WARNING: ftell mismatch with expected position . 15:50 tuxayo go on thd ðŸŽ™ï¸ 15:49 thd Yes ... 15:49 davidnind[m] please add any comments you have to the bug or email me, or discuss on IRC 15:48 tuxayo Anything else on any topic? (we might note them for next meeting) 15:47 ashimema New sysprefs introduced etc 15:47 liliputech true 15:46 ashimema There's are often subtle but meaningful changes of behaviour that may need clarifying in docs when bugfixes are pushed 15:46 liliputech but if i had to : its not so more job to write the doc, than to explain your code to someone who's going to write the doc for u. 15:46 ashimema It's not just new features.. every change submitted might affect docs.. 15:46 ashimema Sphinx etc 15:46 tuxayo There is no strong obligation for the dev to do so since the code is merged. But some will do it and if it drags for too long the documentation team take over. 15:45 liliputech never worked on new features in koha... 15:45 ashimema But their also rather different skill sets 15:45 ashimema Often during Dev as a test plan as such 15:45 ashimema A dev can do docs certainly.. and I often try to 15:45 ashimema No, the lag between pqa and push is part of the problem 15:45 tuxayo No because liliputech propose that it's still the dev that does it IIUC 15:44 liliputech \o/ 15:44 ashimema Hmm. 15:44 ashimema Lol.. that's basically what this proposal does 15:44 liliputech (still needed for a push to master) 15:44 tuxayo ashimema: «we missed the whole of the existing roadmap stuff» 15:43 liliputech humm. maybe doc could be done after pqa? 15:43 tuxayo liliputech: adding documentation step will ensure that there is a lag between PQA and push. Which might be too bad. 15:43 ashimema Koha does move fast really.. but as a Dev it can feel glacial at times 15:42 liliputech and everyone's doing one's best already 15:42 ashimema Mmm 15:42 liliputech but I get the point 15:42 tuxayo it was about roadmap 15:42 liliputech hu. ashimema it fails because there is too much lag between submission and push :( 15:41 davidnind[m] ashimema++ 15:41 tuxayo I can note for next meeting 15:41 tuxayo ashimema: you had something I skipped earlier 15:41 ashimema yup 15:41 tuxayo moving on? 15:41 ashimema wow.. me being RM feels like a long time ago now 15:41 ashimema so I do like the idea liliputech.. just explaining why my proposal failed when it did back then 15:40 tuxayo liliputech++ 15:40 davidnind[m] I don't think we would want to be a blocker for changes getting into Koha 15:40 ashimema I did propose a requirement for docs submissions alongside dev submissions back when I was RM 😜 15:40 liliputech added my 2 cents on the bz 15:40 tuxayo right >_< 15:40 tuxayo > and the code isn't pushed once it's PQA it adds another burden to the dev to also keep rebasing the code and likely another QA run when the rebases aren't trivial.. 15:40 ashimema we've often seen code pushed that's pretty functionally broken because of a lag between PQA and actual Push 15:39 ashimema our process also means that often the feature changes allot between initial submission and pqa.. when that's the case you really need to document at the end else it's just another thing to constantly be adapting throughout the process.. but if you submit it at the end and the code isn't pushed once it's PQA it adds another burden to the dev to also keep rebasing the code and likely another QA run when the rebases aren't trivial.. 15:39 tuxayo I can add that to the ticket also. 15:39 tuxayo maybe we could have a status "Failed QA, missing documentation" which the documentation team could also unblock for the oldest ones. 15:38 davidnind[m] this would at least make it a more visible part of the process - pushed to x, then needs documenting 15:36 ashimema yeah.. it's as good a place 15:36 ashimema I have a hard enough time persuading people to upstream code 😜 15:36 liliputech in the bz? 15:36 ashimema feel free to propose that alternative 15:35 liliputech . 15:35 liliputech s/whose/who is/ 15:35 ashimema true 15:35 tuxayo Indeed 15:35 liliputech but, whose at the best place for documenting than the dev who provides the code? 15:35 ashimema which is a shame 15:35 ashimema adding in 'Failed QA, no docs' was seen to put people off more.. 15:35 ashimema devs don't like documenting and we already have a really long lead time for code to get in with our SO + QA queues.. 15:34 ashimema didn't get much support 15:34 tuxayo Not the case in Koha 15:34 tuxayo > no dev can reach code-base without documentation 15:34 ashimema yeah.. I tried that 15:34 ashimema it puts it on them to check if there's a new syspref or change of behavour that aught to be documented 😜 15:34 liliputech I also work on another software, documentation is part of the workflow for proposing an enhancement. that means, no dev can reach code-base without documentation. 15:33 tuxayo liliputech: IIUC So it's when not backporting due to issues or not important enough, we use "Needs documenting" instead of "Resolved Fixed" 15:33 ashimema keep doing what your doing.. if a bug hits you that you push.. use 'Pushed to X'.. if a bug hits you that you decide not to backport use 'Needs documenting'.. then the docs team will come along and make the final step to 'Resolved fixed'.. 15:33 liliputech hum ^^ 15:32 ashimema well.. they 'should be' liliputech 😜 15:32 liliputech (mine being 21.11) 15:32 ashimema what I'm still not sure about is the docs team side bits.. whether we should track submission + pushed states somehow in bz side.. to build more lists on the dashboard 15:32 liliputech most of the thing I'll put on my branch are already documented isn't it? 15:31 ashimema lucasg is already on board with it and the majority of these will hit him first 15:31 tuxayo ok 15:31 ashimema for Rmains the main change is 'use "Needs documenting" where you would have used 'Resolved Fixed' in the past. 15:30 ashimema it's to give docs people a clear list of bugs to work through... and to help spread the load keeping on top of it... so rather than the docs manager having to maintain out of band lists and look at every bug.. docs team can work through the list and get 'points' be submitting docs or making the decision that a particular bug doesn't need any docs changes and so can just be marked resolved 15:30 tuxayo (Great was about things being trialled) 15:29 tuxayo ↑ 15:29 wahanui rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo 15:29 tuxayo rmaints? 15:29 tuxayo Great, I see RMaints are mentioned so homework is to read the ticket 15:29 ashimema there's a new status on bugzilla, 'Needs documenting' akin to 'Needs signoff' that sits after 'Pushed to X' and before 'Resolved'.. that status is being used to populate a todo list and status list on the dashboard so far 15:29 cait1 sorry, I have to leave, have a nice 'day' everyone :) 15:28 ashimema Basically.. have a look at the proposal on the bug.. we're already trialling some of it.. 15:27 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30998 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, david, ASSIGNED , [DOCS] Managing documentation tasks - simplify processes and integrate more with the development process 15:27 tuxayo «New status for development work flow and dashboard - 'Needs documenting' (see bug 30998) » 15:26 tuxayo moving on? 15:26 tuxayo One solution would be to host a portainer node on AFI/BibLibre infrastructure and then we can put any docker container there. tcohen manages the portainer thing. 15:25 Joubu it's a 5min job 15:25 liliputech ok. I will ask tcohen. we've build a runner for other use (other than koha) not so long ago, we could do it once more, but I guess there are tokens or other stuff we need. 15:25 * ashimema needs to disappear soon.. kids duties 15:24 tuxayo Yes, code is fine 15:24 ashimema the code is hosted fine where it is 15:24 ashimema My understanding is we're struggling for CI resource for some of the bigger builds basically.. so it's s docker runner 15:23 ashimema I'm confused.. not sure who asked for what 15:23 tuxayo My guess is that you can note to ask tcohen and mtj about ressources. 15:23 ashimema I don't believe so 15:23 liliputech (like push access?) 15:23 liliputech would it need people external to biblibre to have an account on our gitlab? 15:22 liliputech i need more info about ressource usage to move on, and some clues about how to build a runner. 15:22 tuxayo liliputech++ thanks for asking 15:21 tuxayo It's about CI runners 15:21 tuxayo not needed IIUC 15:21 tuxayo > host a mirror 15:21 liliputech tuxayo: about this, people at AFI said it might be OK to host a mirror on our gitlab instance, I just got a warning about ressource use (do we have any estimation for CPU/memory use?) 15:21 tuxayo #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 15:20 tuxayo #action liliputech discuss koha CI (docker image built + manuall build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by BibLibre's partner AFI. 15:19 tuxayo « liliputech discuss koha CI (docker image built + manuall build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by BibLibre's partner AFI. » 15:19 tuxayo on koha-devel 15:19 tuxayo done 15:19 tuxayo « davidnind request feedback for the above on the mailing list with next dev meeting (two weeks from now) as a deadline » 15:18 tuxayo Warning, it's draining ^^ 15:18 tuxayo You can throw brainpower here: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/LTS_workflow_proposal 15:18 tuxayo > ashimema would still have prefered to see effort go into stabalising code earlier, more CI and creating a rolling release 15:17 tuxayo Wouldn't it be a less good experience if people needing an extended support install a .00 ? 15:17 tuxayo > call it that from day one? 15:17 ashimema lets move on 15:17 * ashimema would still have prefered to see effort go into stabalising code earlier, more CI and creating a rolling release 15:16 cait1 i think another 2 weeks is not going to kill it 15:16 tuxayo ashimema: the LTS RMaint add more than 6 months 15:16 cait1 let's postpone and think it over? 15:16 ashimema if it's only LTS when they maint takes it on then it's actually only 6 months or whatever 15:16 cait1 thx 15:16 cait1 heh 15:16 cait1 maybe calling it extended support we could call it that from day one? 15:16 tuxayo #action cait try to draw how extended support/LTS would work 15:15 ashimema it's LTS the moment it's deemed to be the LTS we're going to support 15:15 ashimema nah 15:15 ashimema and they need to upgrade every 2 years 15:15 wahanui Congratulations! 15:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #447: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/447/ 15:15 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 15:15 ashimema ok.. I can sorta understand theat.. 15:15 ashimema so by the end of LTS support someone would be running a feature stable software written 2.5 years before 15:15 tuxayo It's actually LTS only after 18 months of RMaint, that when the LTS RMaint take over 15:15 tuxayo > it's only LTS after the first 6 months of maint 15:14 cait1 i think 15:14 cait1 yeah you coudl phrase it like that 15:14 ashimema because it's only LTS after the first 6 months of maint 15:14 cait1 for the 21.11 example 15:14 ashimema so 2 years would mean maintaining it for 2.5 years right 15:14 cait1 I will try to draw it 15:13 tuxayo That's the normal thing. 15:13 tuxayo > 18month support 15:13 ashimema right? 15:13 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D12 build #174: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D12/174/ 15:13 cait1 the idea was 2 years to 2.5 actually 15:13 ashimema as it only become LTS after 6 months of release 15:13 tuxayo #info consider naming extended support instead of LTS 15:13 ashimema so LTS gets 18month support 15:13 tuxayo Great, that confirms the need for an extended support/LTS version 15:12 cait1 [off] that we tend to get stuck on EOL versions 15:12 tuxayo What do you mean? 15:12 tuxayo > keeping up with the current schedule 15:12 cait1 yes, happy witht hat 15:12 tuxayo extended support is a good term also. 15:12 cait1 we do have some difficulty keeping up with the current schedule 15:11 cait1 but I think extended support is a realyl great idea 15:11 cait1 my head hurts 15:11 cait1 we might need to do a graphic 15:11 tuxayo So there is not the issue to have to do a major upgrade a few months after installing an LTS 15:10 tuxayo So the real LTS-1 is still maintained 15:10 tuxayo Because when the LTS is oldstable and oldoldstable, it's maintained by the usual RMaint 15:10 * tcohen needs to leave to feed the kids 15:09 tuxayo wait, it's not and issue 15:09 cait1 if we make it predictable, that will give people the option 15:08 tuxayo It's not convenient for people to have to upgrade from the LTS-1 to the new LTS a few months after their install but having a .00 labelled LTS would give worse results. 15:08 cait1 goal is to put this into a schedule 15:07 cait1 but it won't be random 15:07 cait1 we coudl also call it extended support 15:07 ashimema but hey.. that's just semantics 15:07 cait1 I just think with manpower we have a super careful release is probably not on the map atm... people want new things etc, I understand the argument, but trying to find some middle ground 15:07 ashimema I would say we're not doing LTS.. we're doing a random Extended support 15:07 ashimema OK.. well.. if there are people wanting to take it on.. fine with me. 15:07 cait1 or the .7 ... might be off by a month not sure 15:06 cait1 it will be the .6 release when it' announced 15:06 cait1 I don't think that's doable to be honest 15:06 tuxayo If it not advertised as LTS on day one then we don't need that 15:06 tuxayo > much more stable and reliable.. from day one 15:06 ashimema in general an LTS release is LTS announced as LTS at release time 15:06 cait1 that's why we wanted to pick .6 15:05 cait1 that was the idea yes 15:05 ashimema because LTS is always meant to be much more stable and reliable.. from day one 15:05 tuxayo By the time it because oldstable it should be polished 15:05 cait1 we get about 6 maint releases in 15:05 ashimema I think it needs up front commitment at development time.. for it to be a really good LTS it likely needs a 6 month polish before release 15:05 cait1 hm why? 15:04 ashimema and make sure the RM overseeing that particular release when it first comes out is very much aware 15:04 cait1 we are in the process :) 15:04 ashimema we'd certainly need to publish that clearly.. 15:04 cait1 taht was the idea discussed 15:04 ashimema I see 15:04 ashimema so once every two years we drop one LTS and replace it with whatever oldstable currently is 15:03 cait1 there will be gaps of course 15:03 ashimema ok 15:03 cait1 no not always 15:03 cait1 2 years... jump to current oldstable 15:03 ashimema we can't always use 'oldstable' 15:03 cait1 ashimema: what we discussed last time was using oldstable 15:03 cait1 ah... 10 the other way 15:02 * ashimema goes quiet as he's not read the details for ages and can't remember 15:02 tuxayo thanks for the summary ^^ 15:02 ashimema how do we pick which bersions become LTS 15:02 davidnind[m] 3am 😄 15:02 cait1 thx for doing it davidnind++ 15:02 tuxayo davidnind++ 15:02 ashimema it will heavily rely on volunteers from an already small pool supporting it 15:02 davidnind[m] Apologies for only doing the bug/email yesterday... 15:02 cait1 5 am i think 15:01 tuxayo yowsers? 15:01 ashimema yowsers.. is it not like 3am where you are davidnind 15:01 tuxayo right! 15:01 cait1 the "test" wth 19.11 didn't bring up anything like it 15:01 cait1 yes, I think we should just go with it 15:01 tuxayo *dependence 15:00 reiveune bye 15:00 tuxayo I never had issues to switch a big depence 15:00 tuxayo Looks okay when I see for oldoldstable since 2 years 14:59 cait1 I don't think too many issues shoudl be expected there in terms of dependency issues? 14:59 cait1 I think someone running LTS Koha might also be more likely to go LTS on the OS? 14:58 cait1 Paul raised a question on the ML but not sure if ti's an issue 14:58 cait1 with a promise to support it for... 2.5 years I think? 14:58 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #693: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/693/ 14:58 cait1 but the idea was to label 21.11 LTS 14:58 cait1 I haven't read the bug yet 14:57 ashimema no worries.. it can wait for next time 14:57 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31008 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Long Term Support (LTS) version of Koha 14:57 tuxayo david created bug 31008 14:57 tuxayo Ok I'll back to that in the general part 14:57 tuxayo existing roadmap stuff? 14:57 ashimema no worries 14:56 ashimema lol.. we missed the whole of the existing roadmap stuff 14:56 tuxayo « davidnind to create bug to summarise discussions and next steps for LTS version of Koha » 14:56 tuxayo done 14:56 tuxayo « tuxayo add requesting access for ssh access for download.koha-community.org in Initial_setup of rmaint doc » 14:56 tuxayo #topic Actions from the last meeting 14:56 tuxayo Thanks for the great news about the wiki thd++ 14:56 thd I have a small fraction of the time I had before the pandemic. 14:56 ashimema was about to say that 14:56 tuxayo moving on? 14:55 cait1 the new(?) editor for categories seems to work well (tested earlier) 14:55 thd Yes, the pandemic has wrecked my schedule. 14:55 ashimema it's been ongoing since early 2019 from memory 14:55 cait1 I am looking forward to clean up categories some 14:54 ashimema done with some minor bugs we didn't spot and can fix later is better than not done at all 14:54 ashimema +1 14:54 tuxayo Considering all looks great don't hesitate to drop the automated check if it turns out to be too hard. IHMO 14:53 thd Yet my investigation finds no actual problem. 14:53 thd There is an unpleasant warning when reloading the database from Postgres. 14:52 tuxayo Ah I see so to avoid subtle issues 14:52 tuxayo > Testing that the migration from Postgres to MySQL did not drop anything consequential other than cached values or indexes. 14:52 thd Nothing appears to be different. 14:52 tuxayo XD 14:51 thd Testing that the migration from Postgres to MySQL did not drop anything consequential other than cached values or indexes. 14:51 wahanui yes is something different :) 14:51 cait1 yes, wahanui 14:50 wahanui i guess Testing is important :) 14:50 tuxayo Testing what? 14:50 thd mtj said that he was working on automated testing since we discussed what was needed last meeting. 14:49 thd Automated testing would be nice. 14:49 cait1 do we define a 'cut off' date then and can we set the wiki to read only whiel we move? 14:49 thd There is no mail server running on my VPS so you cannot change your password but everything works. 14:49 tuxayo thd: looks great, what is missing? 14:49 cait1 and we don't find anything too troublesome 14:48 cait1 so let's say mtj declares the migration is good 14:48 thd I brought over everything. 14:48 ashimema ok 14:48 cait1 ashimema: i coudl log in 14:48 tcohen sorry for the noise 14:48 thd It is somewhat more than copying the files and loading the DB. 14:48 tcohen agreed 14:48 ashimema did you bring across user acounts into your test? 14:47 ashimema +1 14:47 cait1 let's finish it and then move to docker? 14:47 tcohen it would be a matter of copying the files and loading the DB, right? 14:47 cait1 I think we shoudl not change the process too much now 14:47 tcohen ok, but if we managed to set a running MediaWiki instance there 14:46 thd I have never learned enough of docker to actually use it for anything. 14:45 tcohen and I can arrange you access to it 14:45 tcohen we have a big server that is only serving koha-api-docs right now 14:45 thd Those test instances have been mostly up for over a year. 14:45 tcohen thd: have you pondered a dockerized setup? 14:45 thd Be mindful that various work will take those down and regenerate or slow them down at times. 14:44 thd Koha MySQL test wiki upgraded to MediaWiki 1.35 LTS at https://koha-mw-my-test01-upgr.agogme.com/ . 14:44 thd Koha test wiki migrated to MySQL at https://koha-mw-my-test01.agogme.com/ . 14:44 thd Reinstalled test instance of the Koha Wiki using Postgres at https://koha-mw-pg-test01.agogme.com/ . 14:43 wahanui Congratulations! 14:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master build #2070: FIXED in 1 hr 9 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/2070/ 14:43 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 14:43 thd oops 14:43 thd That may be a message of the sort one sees for several days after reinstallation while some processes run gradually. 14:42 cait1 thd++ mtj++ 14:42 thd git://test01.agogme.com/koha-migrate-mwiki-db-and-upgrade-test.git is now up. 14:41 cait1 but maybe others could help too? we had discussed this earlier on IRC this morning 14:41 tcohen do we have a timeframe? 14:41 cait1 I'll try to have a look at the testing site tomorrow 14:41 thd Yes, mtj is working on automated validation that the data migrated without errors was actually migrated without errors and not dropped somewhere. 14:41 ashimema lots of us waiting and wanting to help 14:40 tcohen I know some volunteered to help in past meetings 14:40 tcohen do you have help from other community members? 14:40 huginn Bug 23073: normal, P2, ---, td-koha-bugs, NEW , wiki.koha-community.org needs updating to a later version 14:40 thd I updated https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23073 14:39 tcohen please do thd 14:39 thd I have not yet added wiki db migration and update to the new roadmap. 14:38 tuxayo #info https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_22.11_roadmap 14:38 tuxayo #topic Status of roadmap projects 14:38 tuxayo cait1: good idea 14:38 tuxayo #info anyone who have contacts of Koha users in french speaking Africa contact victor AT tuxayo DoT net so we can make patch testing session with librarians 14:37 cait1 maybe you could ask rangi 14:37 cait1 tuxayo++ 14:35 ashimema Great initiative tuxayo 14:35 tuxayo Because most french speakers are actually there and it would be a good way to strengthen the librarian community. 14:35 tuxayo Not QA specifically but signoffs: I'm launching SO sessions with french speaking librarians (and will do in english if that works well) Does anyone have contacts with Koha users in Africa? 14:34 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30889 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Background jobs lead to wrong/missing info in logs 14:34 cait1 all QA team members have access to anything security by default 14:34 ashimema also bug 30889 (or help moving the alternative Joubu suggested forward.. that one's on my list) 14:34 cait1 and please also check the security project - they don't show up on dashboards - they will be visible in the saved lists and have permission/are logged in 14:33 cait1 yes, please! 14:33 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29325 critical, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , commit_file.pl error 'Already in a transaction' 14:33 ashimema bug 29325 in particular would be good to get some eyes on. 14:32 cait1 also some bad bugs in Needs Signoff to grab for everyone and help us processing them 14:32 cait1 new ones, not the old ones.... 14:31 ashimema I think I'm locked out of a number of the bugs.. 14:31 cait1 I highlighted bad bugs in the Monday email, there is still quite a few 14:31 ashimema be nice to get that first number back down under 50.. and we should strive to keep the bugs number lower 14:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #967: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest/967/ 14:31 cait1 yep, PLEASE QA! 14:31 ashimema * 65 submissions in the queue, 24 of them bugs 14:30 tuxayo That's the way, ask for help and then forget about it, just don't miss your bugzilla notification in case someone steps up 14:30 tuxayo > small conflicts, i tend to fix them, but yes, sometime i just cannot guess what is the "proper" way to fix, then I would ask for help :) 14:30 * ashimema is a little behind this month.. lots of meetings.. 14:30 wahanui i heard qa_team was cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova and Joubu 14:30 tuxayo qa_team? 14:29 tuxayo #topic Updates from the QA Team 14:29 liliputech tuxayo: when it's small conflicts, i tend to fix them, but yes, sometime i just cannot guess what is the "proper" way to fix, then I would ask for help :) 14:29 tcohen +1 14:29 ashimema ++ 14:29 tuxayo moving on? 14:29 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30717 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Pushed to master , Dates displayed in ISO format when editing items 14:29 tuxayo liliputech: I think you said you had issues with bug 30717 so just write that in the ticket 14:28 tuxayo liliputech: for other patches, if it meets the backport criteria in the RMaint doc but it conflicts, just let a message that if someone needs it they should provide a backport. 14:27 liliputech \o/ 14:27 cait1 so we all agree, less work for liliputech :) 14:27 ashimema brill 14:27 * liliputech applause 14:27 tuxayo cait++ 14:27 tuxayo For earlier versions it would be bad for translators to have so much work so late in the life cycle 14:26 cait1 but it took me a few hours to go through 14:26 ashimema coolios 14:26 ashimema it's great for the case where they've not already translated much.. but that your points in the cycle it should be left out. 14:26 liliputech ok, then i will resolve-fix that one :) thx! 14:26 cait1 yep, I think it's good there 14:26 tuxayo 30733 was only for 22.05 14:26 ashimema I don't think we should.. it would do the oposite of what it tries to do.. get translators to re-translate a lot 14:26 liliputech if it's not i can manage not to work on it ;) 14:26 tuxayo It's a mess ^^ 14:26 cait1 and the later the version the more unlikley people keep up 14:26 tuxayo ashimema totally not 14:26 cait1 it creates a lot of work for translators 14:26 ashimema ha.. great minds 14:25 ashimema is it actualyl worthwhile backporting 30733 any further.. ? 14:25 cait1 i think I wouldn't push that one 14:25 liliputech sent an email to liz just minutes ago :) 14:25 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30733 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, victor, Pushed to stable , Simplify translatable strings 14:25 cait1 bug 30733 14:25 tuxayo for download 14:25 tuxayo liliputech: you need to contact gmcharlt rangi or Liz Rea according to https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#download.koha-community.org 14:25 tuxayo I need to investigate some some failures on Ubuntu 16.04 that I inherited otherwise, that's all 14:25 liliputech i didn't pick bug30733 yet because it changes a lot the templates and i didn't feel very secure to add it this close to the release (lots of templates changes), but I'll work on it for 21.11.08 (be nice with translators). 14:22 tuxayo 1sts commits pushed so I have the rights on the branch and will be able to release on friday 14:22 liliputech as of the release maintenance of 21.11, I'm almost ready to release the 21.11.07, just missing access to community wordpress and download site to push to. 14:21 wahanui rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo 14:21 tuxayo rmaints? 14:21 tuxayo #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 14:21 tuxayo If there is something else, we can come back later 14:21 cait1 move on? 14:21 cait1 don't let me hold up things 14:21 cait1 +1 14:21 tuxayo ++ 14:21 tcohen the README will get hughly simplified 14:20 cait1 I'll read those then 14:20 cait1 just please write easy to read docs :) 14:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #446: UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/446/ 14:20 tuxayo When using various images (for es versions for example) one had to manually pick the right docker-compose.yml files to update the images. 14:18 tcohen the issue describes a usability problem we have for daily stuffs 14:18 tcohen or aliases could be rewritten in terms of it 14:18 tcohen cait1: it replaces the aliases 14:17 tuxayo #info Testers needed for new koha-testing-docker management script. See https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/-/issues/300 14:17 cait1 what does ktd do? 14:17 tuxayo tcohen++ 14:16 tcohen it is already merged and can be used 14:16 tcohen https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/-/issues/300 14:16 nugged tcohen+=3; from all our FI team (I can represent, yes) 14:15 tcohen would like testers to try it before we tweak the docs 14:15 tcohen will send an email about it 14:15 nugged wow 14:15 tcohen I would like to mention the new 'ktd' command in KTD 14:14 tuxayo Anything else tcohen ? 14:13 ashimema tcohen++ 14:12 liliputech tcohen++ 14:12 cait1 tcohen++ 14:12 tcohen if required 14:12 lukeg #info Lucas Gass, ByWater Solutions 14:12 tcohen I'm open to chat/video call with people willing to engage team work 14:11 tcohen Devs should looks at the roadmap and add the things they want to work on 14:11 ashimema long live the new rm 14:10 tcohen on the first weeks 14:10 tcohen will try to not touch sensible areas that have outstanding bugs 14:10 tcohen I will start integrating enhancements and new features soon 14:10 tcohen We have passed string freeze for the stable releases, and several bugfixes have been pushed for 22.05 14:09 tcohen hi 14:08 tuxayo tcohen: ðŸŽ™ï¸ 14:08 tuxayo #topic Update from the Release Manager (22.05) 14:08 cait1 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 14:07 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U22 build #101: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U22/101/ 14:07 tuxayo Anything to announce that doesn't fit better the other topics? 14:07 tuxayo #topic Announcements 14:07 tcohen yes 14:06 ashimema unlikely to get davidnind right.. he put something on the agenda but it's poor timing for him 14:06 ashimema shall we move on? 14:04 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 14:04 tuxayo #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo VZW, France 14:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 14:03 nugged #info Andrii Nugged, National Library of Finland, Helsinki, FI 14:03 tcohen #info Tomás Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions, Argentina 14:03 liliputech #info Arthur Suzuki, BibLibre, France 14:03 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA 14:03 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK 14:03 nugged o/ 14:03 tuxayo #topic Introductions 14:02 tuxayo #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_22_June_2022 Today's agenda 14:02 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_22_june_2022' 14:02 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:02 huginn Meeting started Wed Jun 22 14:02:34 2022 UTC. The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:02 tuxayo #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 22 June 2022 14:02 tuxayo but you thd are the 2nd people to which is happened lately 14:02 oleonard Not for me thd: http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2022-06-22 14:02 tuxayo hum no for me 14:02 tcohen 1hi all 14:01 thd irc logs website still redirecting to bugs 14:01 wahanui qa_team is cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova and Joubu 14:01 tuxayo qa_team? 14:01 oleonard ha 14:01 wahanui rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo 14:01 tuxayo rmaints? 14:01 wahanui rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo 14:01 oleonard rmaints? 14:01 oleonard rmaints? qa_team? 14:00 tuxayo oh already! :o 13:59 oleonard Oh yeah, meeting! 13:59 ashimema time for a quick grab of a cuppa before meeting 13:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #878: SUCCESS in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_My8/878/ 13:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #2017: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/2017/ 13:39 liliputech tuxayo: worked, thx! 13:29 tuxayo (.env in your ktd directory) 13:29 tuxayo *try to comment 13:29 liliputech tuxayo: hum 13:29 tuxayo For me it took precedence over the ENV var and started the wrong image and thus the wrong deps. 13:28 tuxayo liliputech: to to comment KOHA_IMAGE in your .env 13:28 ashimema glad we raised Joubu.. that's where our processes differed a lot.. I maintained it whilst I went.. he did it as one big commit at the end for release.. I think 13:27 Joubu there is a release script that is modifying the history or about files, don't commit and ignore the changes 13:26 Joubu but ignore that, you will do it when releasing 13:26 Joubu tcohen: "Update history.txt and contributors", it's the (only) way to generate the list correctly 13:26 Joubu tcohen: https://tree.taiga.io/project/koha-ils/task/106 13:26 liliputech tcohen: yup, export KOHA_IMAGE=21.11 13:25 Joubu please :) 13:25 Joubu :D 13:25 Joubu do... not... modify it 13:25 tcohen and I see it restores my '123' number 13:25 tuxayo Meeting in 35 min! 13:25 Joubu I think the release notes script will regenerate them anyway 13:24 tcohen also, koha-update-contributors changes the committer number in contributors.yaml 13:24 Joubu I never needed that, and obviously forgot to add sponsors 13:23 tcohen is there a way to pass a range and get the new contributors on the range? 13:23 tcohen between pushes 13:23 tcohen but I missed to take notes on a new sponsor 13:23 Joubu etc/sponsor_map.yaml 13:23 tcohen right, I've just updated some info there 13:22 Joubu tcohen: iirc it's a yml file in release_tools 13:22 tcohen liliputech: are you using the right image? 13:21 liliputech hello, I have errors when starting ktd, nothing will work unless i install JSON::Validator manually, and it needs force option. is that a blocker for the release? 13:19 ashimema I think Joubu refined the process a bit after I initially worked on it. 13:19 tcohen because I forgot to take actions about that 13:19 ashimema I had a feeling you might ask me that.. I can't for the life of me remember. 13:19 tcohen or I just need to find the commit myself for adding it 13:19 ashimema ooh.. coolios 13:19 tcohen is there a proper way to review that info with the tool? 13:18 tcohen Yesterday koha-push updatebz told me there was a new sponsor 13:18 ashimema hi 13:18 tcohen ashimema: ? 13:18 tcohen Joubu: around=? 13:15 alohabot 🎠🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo ðŸªðŸ«ðŸ¥œ 13:02 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30822: Make BatchCommitRecords update the index in one request <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=809b6e701691118bbd1589428abc6fd1bada4b8c> 13:02 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30822: Clarify that BatchCommitItems is a private function <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a7bee59021728a30c631e2ee51f9b7778217a9f> 11:59 ashimema it felt like a job for the overlay options 11:59 ashimema haha.. read my mind 11:39 tcohen maybe one more option to the overlay tool 11:38 tcohen that's how I'd call the feature 11:38 tcohen you want some sort of templates to be applied 11:32 magnuse but then you are replacing an old record with a new one, so it kind of makes sense to apply the defaults to the new one too, i guess 11:31 magnuse but i have a library that expects otherwise :-) 11:31 magnuse yeah, that is what i am thinking too 11:28 tcohen shouldn't default values only apply for new records? 11:27 magnuse if a subfield is given a default value in a framework, the default will be applied if you fetch a new record from z39.50. but if you have an existing record and do "Replace record via Z39.50/SRU" it should not be applied, right? 11:23 tcohen astyles, correct. That's not the right syntax... 11:06 astyles ahh my SQL was bad, thanks anyway. sorted it out 8-) 11:02 astyles thanks 11:02 astyles };``` 11:02 astyles }, 11:02 astyles $dbh->do(q{DELETE FROM systempreferences ( `variable`, `value`, `options`, `explanation`, `type` ) VALUES ('IntranetHomeEotd', '','70|10', 'Add a fun emoji of the day to the home page of the circulation module', 'Textarea') }); 11:02 astyles my ($dbh, $out) = @$args{qw(dbh out)}; 11:02 astyles my ($args) = @_; 11:02 astyles up => sub { 11:02 astyles description => "remove new system preference IntranetHomeEotd", 11:02 astyles bug_number => "12345", 11:02 astyles return { 11:02 astyles ```se Modern::Perl; 11:01 astyles opps whait a sec 11:01 astyles is my DELETE FROM syntax correct? to remove sys pref? 11:00 astyles 8-] 11:00 astyles ``` 11:00 astyles }; 11:00 astyles }, 11:00 wahanui i already had it that way, astyles. 11:00 astyles say $out "Update is going well so far"; 11:00 astyles # Print useful stuff here 11:00 astyles $dbh->do(q{}); 11:00 astyles # Do you stuffs here 11:00 astyles my ($dbh, $out) = @$args{qw(dbh out)}; 11:00 astyles my ($args) = @_; 11:00 astyles up => sub { 11:00 astyles description => "remove IntranetHomeEotd from DB ", 11:00 astyles bug_number => "12345", 11:00 astyles return { 11:00 astyles use Modern::Perl; 11:00 astyles }; 11:00 astyles }, 11:00 astyles $dbh->do(q{DELETE FROM systempreferences ( `variable`, `value`, `options`, `explanation`, `type` ) VALUES ('IntranetHomeEotd', '','70|10', 'Add a fun emoji of the day to the home page of the circulation module', 'Textarea') }); 11:00 astyles my ($dbh, $out) = @$args{qw(dbh out)}; 10:59 astyles my ($args) = @_; 10:59 astyles up => sub { 10:59 astyles description => "remove new system preference IntranetHomeEotd", 10:59 astyles bug_number => "12345", 10:59 astyles return { 10:59 astyles use Modern::Perl; 10:59 astyles ``` 10:57 tcohen astyles: what does the code look like? 10:56 tcohen morning #koha 10:47 astyles Any help? thanks so much 10:47 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, CLOSED INVALID, Can't Clear Reading History for Anonymous patron 10:47 astyles ``` 10:47 astyles ERROR - {UNKNOWN}: DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::db do failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MariaDB server version for the right syntax to use near '( `variable`, `value`, `options`, `explanation`, `type` ) VALUES ('IntranetHo...' at line 1 at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Installer.pm line 739 10:47 astyles DEV atomic update /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/atomicupdate/bug_12345_-_remove_IntranetHomeEotd_syspref.pl [10:32:28]: Bug 12345 - remove new system preference IntranetHomeEotd 10:47 astyles ```test1-koha@ubuntu2204:~$ perl /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl 10:47 astyles Hi hope your having a good one, I am currently using the skeleton template to attempt removal of a test system preference in MARIA DB, when I run the update.pl and error returns... 10:39 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D12 build #87: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D12/87/ 10:38 liliputech yay! 10:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D9 build #93: SUCCESS in 1 hr 19 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D9/93/ 10:21 wahanui Congratulations! 10:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D11 build #125: FIXED in 1 hr 8 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D11/125/ 10:21 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 10:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_U22 build #32: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_U22/32/ 10:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_U18 build #104: SUCCESS in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_U18/104/ 09:55 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_U20 build #97: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_U20/97/ 09:52 liliputech \o/ just pushed the release :) if all tests are good release will be announced by the end of the day :) 09:48 alohabot 🎠🻠Koha '21.11.x' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo ðŸœðŸ¥ 🥑 09:47 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D10 build #112: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D10/112/ 09:43 liliputech back 09:41 liliputech reboot! 09:20 ashimema hehe 09:18 liliputech oh thx :) 09:10 ashimema !pong 09:10 liliputech !ping 09:03 magnuse ashimema: sounds good to me :-) 08:45 ashimema perhaps a prettier one too 08:45 ashimema I think I reporteed that a little while ago.. can't remember where it's hosted but I think we should perhaps bind it to push on gitlab ci and set up a new light host for it 08:43 magnuse looks like https://perldoc.koha-community.org/ could do with an update? or am i the only one using it? 08:43 magnuse rangi++ 08:41 ashimema rangi++ 08:41 ashimema he's on the case.. should be back up now but he's still tracing the cause 🙂 08:30 ashimema OK, I've signalled him 08:23 davidnind[m] It's nearly 8:30pm here in NZ, so not too late 08:23 magnuse half past eight? 08:04 fridolin mmm it is late in NZ 08:01 ashimema Had anyone tried rangi 07:57 liliputech !ping 07:46 liliputech still no bugzilla... :( 07:20 magnuse_ have fun dcook 07:14 * dcook really leaves this time 07:14 dcook thd: It's the same server so probably related 07:13 dcook Good night/morning folks :) 07:13 thd The following redirect seems like more than a temporary glitch: irc logs at https://irc.koha-community.org is redirecting to https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/ with a 502 error. 07:12 dcook I'm sure everyone will hate it but I'm planning to backport it locally anyway heh 07:12 dcook I'll post it tomorrow though! 07:12 dcook There's a Koha issue from 2016 in my bug tracker which has been annoying me so I finally write a patch instead of just complaining about it... then Bugzilla is down hehe 07:11 dcook cait1: I swear it wasn't me.. 07:11 cait1 got to run to my meetings now, sadly going to take all morning, but feel free to leave me any messages here 07:11 magnuse_ 502 Bad Gateway 07:11 cait1 thd: glad I could help :) 07:11 cait1 often it's just a temporary glitch because someone is making too many requests 07:09 liliputech just when i was succeeding at using the release-tools and fetching the comments for the release-notes --' 07:09 dcook Yeah I shouldn't have expected that to work.. 07:09 dcook bug 19704 07:09 thd cait1: That message you found links to instructions for managing the job queue to which I had not yet given attention. Very good find!!! 07:09 dcook Booo 07:09 liliputech bugzilla down... 07:08 dcook Hmm Bugzilla down or just me? 07:06 cait1 mostly 07:06 cait1 ok, I will look for content issues then 07:05 thd cait1: td-koha-wiki-db-migrate-update AT agogme.com 07:03 thd There are a few bugs and configuration changes to fix which leave everything down for at least an hour at a time during testing. It used to take three hours with some excess reindexing. 07:00 thd That may be a message of the sort one sees for several days after reinstallation while some processes run gradually. 07:00 cait1 I think it will make it easier for a lot of people to help with contents 06:59 cait1 and also the visual editor 06:59 cait1 i like the new editor for categories 06:59 thd I accidentally used all file space on the VPS a day ago and may need to regenerate to correct for some problem. 06:57 cait1 it's showing here: https://koha-mw-my-test01-upgr.agogme.com/wiki/Category:Koha_Conferences 06:57 cait1 is this what this message is about? Change propagation updates are pending (6 jobs estimated) and it is recommended to wait with modifications to a category until the process has been finalized to prevent intermediary interruptions or contradictory specifications. 06:57 thd The testing sites have been up for at least a year and a half I think. 06:57 cait1 ok 06:56 thd You should not see missing wiki pages, mangled, or truncated content etc. 06:55 thd In terms of index result set ordering or other changes which will require actual use to restore. 06:54 thd cait1: You should expect to see something odd :) 06:54 cait1 I think you had a special email address set up IIRC? 06:53 cait1 if I see soemthing odd, how should I report it? 06:53 thd cait1: Sure, just remember that doing everything by script leaves a newly installed reinstallation or upgrade in a strage state for indexing etc. until real word use has occurred. 06:52 cait1 do you need me to do something? 06:52 cait1 thd: really happy to hear about the process progressing and this looks great on first glance 06:51 thd Most overwork of my VPS is non-koha related and if I forget to check the OOM killer will kill mysqld and I have to bring it back up. 06:50 cait1 so do you want me to do some manual testing? 06:49 thd Those testing sites go down or become slow when I overwork my VPS. 06:49 cait1 thd++ mtj++ 06:49 cait1 nice 06:49 cait1 ooh test update 06:48 thd mtj was working on automated validation while I finished other testing. 06:48 thd and https://koha-mw-my-test01-upgr.agogme.com/ . 06:48 thd It currently takes about an hour on my VPS to generate https://koha-mw-pg-test01.agogme.com/ , https://koha-mw-my-test01.agogme.com/ , 06:47 cait1 ok, so what is the next step? 06:45 thd cait1: Well these git://test01.agogme.com/koha-migrate-mwiki-db-and-upgrade-test.git 06:44 cait1 which things? 06:43 thd cait1: Some of those people went wanting this week but at least I found two consecutive days to mush things together. 06:42 alex_ Bonjour 06:41 thd yes that is correct wahanui :) 06:39 wahanui thd is helping a couple of old people who are very well secluded. The time spent shopping, etc. for myself and others with distancing queues outside and inside for hours is the big problem sinking time. 06:39 cait1 thd? 06:38 cait1 well kind of, meeting soon 06:38 cait1 ys 06:36 thd cait1: Are you present? 06:34 thd Does anyone know why irc logs at https://irc.koha-community.org is redirecting to https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/ with a 502 error? 06:27 cait hi reiveune, hi #koha 06:27 reiveune hello 06:07 liliputech hi koha 05:39 thd mtj[m]: Are you present? 05:38 thd mtj: Are you present? 04:32 ClaireStro Hi all, I hope you are well! I finally have successfully updated the version 21.05 of Koha (we previously had version 3 ...). However when I catalog new records and edit items, there is an issue: I uploaded two screenshots on Imgur here : https://imgur.com/a/MkvXbpq . If you have any idea why the message "No results found" appears and the scrolll down doesn't work, please let me know! Thank you and have a great day! 00:13 davidnind[m] FYI: Agenda for the next Development IRC Meeting https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_22_June_2022