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(v 0.1.4) 14:58 tuxayo #endmeeting 14:57 tuxayo Should be good enough if someone wants to attend both 14:57 lilipute1h yes, just a few hours 14:56 tuxayo There are a few hours between the koha US meeting and 21UTC right? 14:56 fridolin1 super 14:56 lilipute1h right after koha-us meeting? 14:55 tuxayo #info Next meeting: 8 June 2022, 21 UTC 14:55 tuxayo lilipute1h: yes, not great for Europe though. 14:55 tuxayo As for the date, it would be june 8 14:54 lilipute1h 11pm for france 14:54 tuxayo 18:00 argentina. 14:54 tuxayo 17:00 US east cost 14:53 tuxayo So to have 9am at NZ it would be 21:00 UTC 14:52 tuxayo And the hours are correct for most part of the Americas also (at bit late for Argentina though) 14:51 tuxayo Last meeting with good time for NZ, had a good audience so we can continue to alternate 14:50 tuxayo #topic Set time of next meeting 14:50 tuxayo moving on, if something else comes up, say it we come to it after Set time of next meeting 14:49 ashimema 🙂 14:48 tuxayo +1 14:48 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26392 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Patch doesn't apply , Wrap all translatable strings in opac-main.tt 14:48 * oleonard promotes Bug 26392 again 14:47 tuxayo *than testing 14:47 tuxayo It's more about proof reading that testing the many string changes (adding <span> so the string extractor pick clean strings for translators) 14:46 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30733 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, victor, Needs Signoff , Simplify translatable strings 14:46 tuxayo Review needed on Bug 30733 so it can be merged soon after 22.05 release 14:45 tuxayo *? 14:45 tuxayo anything else, 14:41 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29697 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Replace GetMarcBiblio occurrences with $biblio->metadata->record 14:41 ashimema bug 29697 14:41 ashimema nope 14:41 ashimema and.. Notices tree is starting to move again with some of those bugs going PQA end of this cycle 14:41 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29633 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , Unecessary GetMarcBiblio call in Koha::UI::Form::Builder::Item (?) 14:41 tuxayo GetMarcBiblio removal bug: this one? Bug 29633 14:40 ashimema kidclamp has been doing lots of performance piece last couple of weeks.. those are an interesting set of bugs to follow.. 14:39 ashimema I've started looking through the GetMarcBiblio removal bug.. it's a great start but I feel we can do better by golfing it together early next cycle 14:39 ashimema New cycle soon... lots to come 😛 14:38 fridolin thanks 14:38 tuxayo Anything from anyone? 14:38 tuxayo #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 14:38 tuxayo moving on 14:37 tuxayo fridolin: anyone can use #action, is the above summary correct? 14:36 tuxayo #action fridolin audits major and critical bugs (new, assigned and need signoff) 14:35 ashimema so yeah.. that's probably it from QA team.. unless cait is around? 14:35 fridolin tuxayo: can you write an action pls ? 14:35 ashimema 😄 14:35 fridolin i can give a shot in the coming weeks 14:35 reiveune bye 14:34 ashimema most of which have no code attached 14:34 ashimema it just looks bad as a community that we have so many ;:p 14:34 ashimema if something really is major, then drumming up some dev support to get it fixed would be beneficial.. 14:33 fridolin sure 14:33 * ashimema can't work on all of them ;P 14:33 ashimema I'm sure not all of them are Majors and having that queue so high makes it hard to see the wood for the trees 14:33 fridolin ah check if there level is correct 14:33 ashimema as in, it would be helpful to have a bugwrangler look at all the 129 Majors at the top of the dashboard (in the pop down section).. and categorise them.. 14:32 tuxayo what do you mean? 14:32 ashimema we could do with a bit of an audit of Major and Criticals 14:31 ashimema NSO is high, PQA is building for next cycle already.. NQA is nice and low 14:30 wahanui qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova 14:30 tuxayo qa_team? 14:30 tuxayo #topic Updates from the QA team 14:30 tuxayo liliputech: don't forget to ask for the website. It's often the one cause delays for new RMaints. 14:29 * liliputech now has access to the git, setup ssh and gpg keys according to the wiki. 14:28 liliputech khall_: about 21.11? 14:28 tuxayo thanks for the update AndrewFH :D 14:27 AndrewFH Hi! Sorry, forgot about this meeting. 21.05.15 will be along shortly, I've been kinda swamped 14:27 tuxayo moving on? 14:27 tuxayo I don't think other branche's release are ready yet but it should be soon. 14:26 tuxayo Last 20.11.X release went well 14:26 wahanui rmaints is khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo 14:26 tuxayo rmaints? 14:26 tuxayo #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 14:24 ashimema our existing code scares people away because it doesn't adhere to any frameworks 14:24 liliputech 2~2~ 14:24 ashimema yeah.. it's more likely to bring devs in than scare new ones away 14:24 tuxayo good point 14:24 oleonard Does anyone have feedback specifically about Joubu's branch? 14:24 liliputech ok for me 14:24 tuxayo Moving on? 14:23 paulderscheid[m] Vue attracts good developers. 14:23 paulderscheid[m] > <@tuxayo:matrix.org> > more difficult for new devs to get in... (full message at https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/JIiTrHqHkLhGMKmVQayRSwvt) 14:22 tuxayo One of the arguments for vue is that modern and known frameworks could actually bring devs. I don't know if I understood correctly. 14:22 tuxayo > more difficult for new devs to get in 14:22 paulderscheid[m] Svelte would be easier for new devs and simple stuff but tackling complicated things is much easier with Vue. 14:22 liliputech hum... but maybe the compilation thing is not something everyone knows how to deal with? 14:22 oleonard liliputech: Any will, but we have to move forward to make Koha better 14:21 paulderscheid[m] Both have great documentation. 14:21 liliputech isn't any of these tool going to make it more difficult for new devs to get in? which of those will? 14:20 paulderscheid[m] Additionally it's not that hard to migrate from Vue to Svelte. 14:20 paulderscheid[m] As great as svelte is from a technical standpoint the adoption isn't there yet. 14:19 paulderscheid[m] Svelte would be a great fit but Vue has its merrits too. The community is much larger as you know and therefore it's less likely to phase out of existence eventually which seems important regarding Koha as a project that will hopefully continue in existence over a very long timespan. 14:18 fridolin i'm good 14:16 oleonard Yes 14:16 ashimema very interesting 14:16 ashimema interesting 14:15 * nugged bowes 14:15 nugged that is what I had from me for this meeting. 14:15 nugged ––<<<quote 14:15 nugged Vue3 is not a bad option though. They simplified a lot of things luckily. It’s still a client side library though. 14:15 nugged Meaning you can swap out pieces of jquery here and there instead of rewriting the whole thing 14:15 nugged Then I would choose svelte, since it’s also more suitable (imo) for building many small components, instead of moving to a full page webapp 14:15 nugged The cons I can think of is that there’s less libraries written for Svelte and the community is smaller. But it is growing and the library part haven’t stopped me from building my app :) 14:15 nugged Being a compiler means that it produces code that is faster (last time I checked) than what Vue does. That’s not a deciding factor for my web apps though, but it’s a bonus. What I like the most is how simple the syntax is. Vue 3 is just recently getting close to the same syntax, but I still prefer Svelte. 14:15 nugged It’s very simple to me: Svelte is a compiler, while Vue, React and similar tools are frameworks/code that runs in the browser. 14:15 nugged ––quote>>> 14:15 nugged Also I have feedback from Jan (Mojolicious) on topic of Vue3/Svelte discussion. 14:13 fridolin 1585 patches pushed at this point, so a nice amount of changes 14:13 ashimema nice 14:13 tuxayo That's even better stuff to bring ^^ 14:13 tuxayo > but it's just working 14:12 nugged fidolin & mates: I thought we'll bring some quick bad bugs from customer like it was previous releases, but it's just working (argh :) ), ... :). And that's good/great too! 14:12 liliputech \o/ 14:11 fridolin great thanks to you and them 14:11 wahanui darn tootin' it is. 14:11 oleonard Excellent! 14:11 tuxayo team++ 14:11 tuxayo Great news :D 14:11 nugged I installed our Community Master this week on Piloting Customer production - there happened to be NO blockers for them nor even anything bad they found to be the issues!!! Still testing, maybe something deeper, but it's not like previous releases, when instantly something happened to come :). Really great! 14:11 nugged this release is (luckily or because we are improving) is most stable in pre-release phase I ever had in piloting with my customer(s). 14:11 nugged From my side I have to say something about the Relase: 14:10 fridolin Looks like there is no big bug waiting in queue (22_05_priorities) 14:09 fridolin i'm preparing with docs and will have a look at last release commits for release as a checklist 14:09 fridolin its the cycle last week 14:08 fridolin Release is coming ... 14:08 tuxayo fridolin: ðŸŽ™ï¸ 14:08 fridolin yey 14:08 tuxayo #topic Update from the Release manager (22.05) 14:08 tuxayo thanks 14:08 Joubu that's all for me 14:07 Joubu branch is always at the same place - https://gitlab.com/joubu/Koha/-/commits/erm 14:07 tuxayo #info kanban board to follow the progress https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-erm/kanban 14:07 Joubu Help, feedback, etc. highly welcomed 14:07 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA 14:07 ashimema Joubu++ 14:07 tuxayo #info sandbox with up to date ERM work: https://staff-erm.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/ 14:07 Joubu and we will improve later, depending on the feedback 14:06 Joubu So you can see the "ready to be applied" that will be applied soon. The idea is to have the features there, but with a not-so-good UI to start 14:06 nugged #info Andrew Nugged, Helsinki 14:06 Joubu https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-erm/kanban 14:06 Joubu there is also a kanban board at... 14:05 Joubu you can connect with the usual sandbox's credential 14:05 Joubu https://staff-erm.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/ 14:05 Joubu ERM - For those who does not know yet, there is a sandbox I am trying to keep up-to-date 14:05 tuxayo go ahead Joubu :) 14:05 Joubu Yes, maybe, tuxayo 14:05 lukeg #info Lucas Gass, ByWater Solutions 14:04 liliputech #info Arthur Suzuki, BibLibre, France 14:04 tuxayo Anything to announce that doesn't fit the other topics? 14:04 tuxayo #topic Announcements 14:03 tuxayo #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Company, France 14:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [high COVID tide lifts all infections] 14:02 paulderscheid[m] #info Paul Derscheid, LMSCloud GmbH, Germany 14:02 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 14:02 khall_ #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions 14:02 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, Tahiti 14:01 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK 14:01 tuxayo #topic Introductions 14:01 tuxayo #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_25_May_2022 Today's agenda 14:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_25_may_2022' 14:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:01 huginn Meeting started Wed May 25 14:01:33 2022 UTC. The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01 tuxayo #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 25 May 2022 13:58 fridolin XD 13:56 liliputech heh :) 13:56 wahanui liliputech: huh? 13:56 liliputech wahanui: check issues / old_issues 13:56 wahanui hi koha! is there a table in which i can see if a borrower has borrowed any books (or if library lended out any books) ? 13:56 liliputech hi koha! 13:54 nugged o/ 13:54 ashimema HOLA 13:54 wahanui qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova 13:54 tuxayo qa_team? 13:54 wahanui rmaints is khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo 13:54 tuxayo rmaints? 13:54 tuxayo meeting in 5 min! 13:54 thd Joubu: My mail server needs proper identity attestation which never used to be a problem. Gmail has very aggressive anti-spam measures rejecting many sources of legitimate mail including some Gmail accounts running on the wrong part of the Google network. 13:51 Joubu thd: I am not likely to work on the wiki migration soon anyway. 13:49 fridolin https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_25_May_2022 in 10 min 13:48 fridolin tuxayo: cool 13:47 thd Joubu: Gmail has been bouncing my mail to you. I am working on committing wiki migration fixes for next month while avoiding running myself down into another COVID infection. 13:47 tuxayo fridolin: yep :) 13:46 wahanui there is something very wrong there 13:46 fridolin tuxayo: there ? 13:46 fridolin yey 12:58 ashimema though not as thoroughly as I'd like.. you only do filtering for items.. 12:58 cait1 my coworker wanted to see - we are impressed also :) seems to be growing! 12:58 ashimema I was actually considering adding a ->filtered_record() method to Koha::Biblio::Metadata.. but it appears you've basically baked that in to Koha::Biblio::Metadata here.. 12:57 ashimema interesting Joubu.. 12:57 ashimema wow.. you do way more than I thought in here.. 12:51 cait1 ishoudl finally bookmark it 12:51 cait1 thx, i checked the wiki and couldn't locate the mailng list mail 12:50 Joubu it's listed on biblibre sandbox's homepage 12:50 Joubu https://staff-erm.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/ 12:49 cait1 can someon remind me of the sandbox url for erm? 12:42 ashimema it was sha1 that caught me... those are a right ass to fix 12:42 ashimema I can rebase myself to test 12:42 ashimema thanks dude 12:41 Joubu not rebased however 12:41 Joubu I've pushed my local branch: https://gitlab.com/joubu/Koha/-/commits/bug_29697 12:40 ashimema not even SO'd 12:40 ashimema nope 12:39 Joubu isn't that pushed already?.. 12:36 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29697 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Replace GetMarcBiblio occurrences with $biblio->metadata->record 12:36 ashimema got a branch for bug 29697.. thought I'd look at testing it ready for early next cycle.. but I get sha1 issue trying to apply. 12:29 Joubu yes 12:23 ashimema Joubu around? 12:20 magnuse ashimema: paul_p presented the work at the online meeting of the swedish usergroup last friday. it looked like there was still some work to do before they are done. He did not mention a plan for how to submit changes 11:35 oleonard Whereas other fields don't have a delete option at all, even though clearing the contents of the field might also be desired in non-repeatable fields. 11:34 oleonard Joubu: I guess the MARC edit page only shows the delete icon for fields which are also repeatable, which is a little inconsistent because if the field *hasn't* been deleted the icon clears the contents of the field. 11:33 ashimema I'm still keen to see some UX guidelines come out of it 11:32 ashimema Targeting includes and CSS is great.. be nice to also build collector bugs for consistency improvements.. like your datepicker stuff was great to see 11:31 ashimema Glad it's being thought about 11:31 oleonard (that was the plan anyway) 11:31 ashimema Cool 11:30 oleonard ashimema: So mostly CSS changes at first, or changes to global includes 11:30 oleonard ashimema: We had a lot of discussion about how to start with changes that wouldn't affect too many files 11:29 oleonard ashimema: We've had one check-in by the person who's doing implementation for Biblibre, but no patches yet 11:28 Joubu oleonard: the problem is that there is a 'x' already for selects 11:28 ashimema I really hope it doesn't land as one enormous patch 11:28 oleonard I don't have a patch yet, but I will keep at it. 11:28 ashimema Anyone seen any updates for staff client refresh lately.. I think I would have expected to see a few bugs submitted by now.. or a plan for next cycle? 11:28 severine_q nice proposal oleonard ! 11:26 ashimema Consistency is good 11:25 cait1 it is nicer :) 11:24 * ashimema goes for a walk and expects a bug to SO by the time I get back.. haha ;P 11:24 ashimema so much nicer 🙂 11:24 oleonard Yeah, I was thinking of adding them to make it more consistent with the marc editor 11:23 Joubu empty the fields? 11:23 Joubu what's the trash icon for? 11:23 Joubu looks great, oleonard! 11:00 oleonard Idea: before: https://snipboard.io/ZnucyH.jpg After: https://snipboard.io/LyON1Y.jpg 10:44 ashimema hehe 10:44 oleonard I've been known to have been wrong for stretches of time lasting six years 10:43 wahanui at least is that possible to hide everything but only the name? 10:43 ashimema at least 10:43 ashimema since 2016 10:43 ashimema code wise.. it looks like it should work 😜 10:40 oleonard ashimema maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought it never did, and that's part of the reason we have the XSLT views 10:39 ashimema interesting 10:39 ashimema but has broken in 21.11.05 10:39 ashimema I'm getting told it was working in 21.05 and 20.11 10:38 ashimema hmm.. 10:37 ashimema I thought it did 10:37 ashimema oh really 10:37 oleonard opac-detail has never worked with framework visibility 10:37 ashimema is that a regression? 10:37 ashimema in the title notes tab 10:36 ashimema but I'm seeing it here https://tna.koha-ptfs.co.uk/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=9462 10:36 ashimema 541e is unticked for 'Visivility' for the OPAC 10:36 ashimema so for example 10:34 * ashimema is investigating 10:34 oleonard How so? 10:32 ashimema are framework hidden fields not working in 21.11? 10:24 * oleonard waves 09:50 * cait1 waves 08:25 ashimema morning severine_q 08:17 magnuse davidnind++ 07:52 severine_q Morning Koha ! 06:48 * dcook waves distractedly 05:59 magnuse \o/ 05:48 wahanui hey, reiveune 05:48 reiveune hello 05:36 ashimema Morning #koha 04:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D11 build #46: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D11/46/ 03:31 alohabot 🎠🦊 Koha '20.11.x' packages pushed to 'koha' repo 🥉ðŸŒðŸš€ 02:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D11 build #45: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D11/45/ 02:28 wahanui Congratulations! 02:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U16 build #142: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U16/142/ 02:28 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 02:14 wahanui Congratulations! 02:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D10 build #257: FIXED in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D10/257/ 02:14 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!