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03:23 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30797: (follow-up) Hide default Flatpickr clear-field button <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ccb32747b02e34337991661d9a765764db8678e>
03:23 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30797: Add the calendar.inc include to addbiblio.tt <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=72176f95134b41f859ae781c90aff658c20b88e5>
03:23 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30776: import missing subroutine to fix import_webservice_batch.pl <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be9aead2b14b81adc844360e1283e6eb523afc05>
03:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30735: Fix filtering by patron attribute with AV in overdues report <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=889ba1c381132e49c149c0d40a141364ea3470c5>
03:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30714: Do no log update to holdingbranch <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=96622e8c3f313566c5a8febe0f7d9facc94c4118>
03:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30714: Unit test <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c4a32b5ce6f4af608315c6e0b30187160061dadd>
03:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30640: Focus does not always move to correct search header form field <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de4434bd4a73b06de1c06a24306368f5531bf39f>
03:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30009: Do not set MARCNOTES to empty list in list context <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=54e951e72d28925c0795bea5b5cf21d3cc03aecf>
03:45 alohabot 🎠🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🥯ðŸ…ðŸ²
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04:46 Joubu @later tell fridolin About 30781 you need to use: warning_is { your_subroutine_call() } {}
04:46 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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05:14 reiveune hello
05:14 wahanui hey, reiveune
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05:32 Joubu ashimema: you didn't add middle_name to sysprefs.sql, did you forget or was it on purpose? Please double check the last patch
05:39 ashimema Oops, thanks Joubu
05:40 ashimema Got kids duties for another hour or so this morning then will add a follow-up.
05:40 ashimema Can't believe I forgot that one 😃
05:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #925: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest/925/
05:50 Joubu I've added the follow-up ;)
05:57 Joubu dcook: 20582 - quoting yourself "I'm intrigued but I'm pretty invested in sticking to the mainstream :/." vs "Finally, I don't actually see myself using KOHA_MOJO_APP in koha-testing-docker unless I was testing to see how a transition to using it in production would work?"
05:57 Joubu not sure I understand what you want then...
05:57 dcook Joubu: I'm not sure I follow?
05:58 Joubu what do you want?
05:58 dcook Ah fair!
05:58 Joubu yes, you want it to work in production, ok, but it won't come like that
05:58 dcook I want to use the same thing everyone else is using haha
05:58 dcook I don't necessarily want it to work in production
05:58 dcook If it were, that could be cool/interesting
05:58 Joubu then there is a PR for ktd
05:58 dcook But I think Starman is fine too
05:59 dcook I think it's a tough one...
05:59 dcook On one hand, if we don't run it as a Mojo app in ktd, we won't run it in prod...
05:59 Joubu the idea was to have it easy to setup in ktd to let devs/us enable it for our daily work and catch bugs
05:59 dcook But then I don't want to run it in ktd, if we're not running it in prod :S
05:59 Joubu but this PR never got merged
06:00 dcook As I want dev and prod to be as close together as possible
06:00 Joubu lol.... ok
06:00 Joubu hard life
06:00 dcook ikr haha
06:00 dcook I think though that paradox applies to a lot of things..
06:00 dcook Hard to break from the inertia of the status quo...
06:01 dcook I actually don't know much about the benefits of running as a Mojo app tbh
06:01 dcook Or... I think I used to know but I forgot
06:01 dcook I think you get things like websockets..
06:01 dcook And non-blocking handling..
06:02 dcook Right now we're using Mojolicious via Mojo::Server::PSGI which I think does hamstring it a bit..
06:02 Joubu There is a "This has several benefits" block in the commit message, that could be a start
06:02 dcook True haha
06:03 dcook I don't know. I had like 5 hours of back to back Zoom calls today. My brain is tired.
06:03 Joubu the main jajm's motivation was to "get rid of cgi"
06:03 Joubu iirc
06:03 dcook I do hate CGI... *strokes beard*
06:03 dcook Maybe that's what got me excited about it too..
06:03 dcook Because my other ideas for getting rid of CGI involve just using Mojo::Server::PSGI..
06:03 dcook So running it as a Mojolicious app would probably be preferable..
06:03 dcook Hmmmmmmm
06:04 dcook Of course, I think I've downgraded those dreams..
06:04 * dcook looks at his notes
06:04 dcook I think I'm more interested in getting a Template::Toolkit WRAPPER in and potentially helping out with the Vue3 stuff
06:05 dcook But that was partially because I felt alone in my efforts... maybe jajm and I could collaborate more..
06:05 dcook Although some of my ideas for using Mojolicious could just be replaced by using the task queue more
06:06 dcook For example, export.pl. I did a version using Mojolicious that prevented timeouts for large exports, but really it would be nicer to just stuff that task in the task queue and alert the user when their export is ready to download...
06:06 dcook Although I suppose both have their pros and cons...
06:06 dcook And I'm ranting again :(
06:06 dcook Thanks for the suggestion, Joubu :)
06:11 Joubu We will need to implement a way to let tasks generate artifacts, but yes that would be great
06:11 dcook I like the idea but then that could take a lot of disk space and we'd have to worry about cleanup too..
06:12 dcook Apparently nothing makes me happy >_<
06:13 dcook I took a look at the commit message but I don't know if I necessarily agree with all those benefits..
06:13 dcook The move away from CGI.. yeah we need to refactor the authentication code and templates..
06:14 dcook I think you actually did do a bit on the authentication that was helpful but I think there's still a little ways to go..
06:14 dcook But if we do move towards Vue3 in general, switching things to Mojolicious becomes less useful
06:14 Joubu we are (very) far from that
06:15 dcook I just wish I could get work time to work on refactoring auth and templates..
06:15 dcook I don't have the energy outside of work anymore..
06:15 dcook Or energy/motivation maybe..
06:15 dcook Although we are going into winter in Australia...
06:16 * dcook is still trying to get oleonard to take a look at his WRAPPER patch
06:16 dcook It still needs a bit of work but it would make the templates so much easier to manage...
06:17 dcook If I'm lucky, I might actually get some work time to resurrect the OAI-PMH harvester..
06:18 dcook Well resurrect the concept. I wouldn't go the POE route again..
06:18 Joubu "a bit"? All templates will need to be updated, that's quite a lot of work
06:18 dcook Oh I meant in terms of getting the WRAPPER prod ready
06:18 dcook We wouldn't have to switch all templates over right away
06:18 dcook We could slowly replace them
06:18 Joubu did you try for the staff-side as well?
06:19 Joubu no, slowly does not work
06:19 dcook Nah, I just did it for the OPAC
06:19 dcook No? I've already done it locally heh
06:19 Joubu it's all in one go or things never get done
06:19 dcook Ah that's a good point
06:19 dcook I decided to start using it locally to prove that it works, and hopefully figure out some problems in the meantime
06:19 dcook The OPAC doesn't have too many pages
06:19 dcook The staff interface... yeah that might not be as doable
06:20 dcook I think OPAC is < 100 and staff side is like > 500
06:20 dcook But when you put it that way... maybe I should abandon getting it into the community then
06:20 dcook I think it's still useful locally for me at least
06:20 Joubu I would reach Tomas and ask him to focus on it next cycle. You need to find someone else for testing, then submit a patch, they test, I QA and that's done. Early push next cycle
06:21 dcook Well, I really want to talk to Owen about it to get his opinion on what is good and what is bad with my approach
06:21 dcook I don't understand all the Bootstrap choices he's made in different places
06:21 dcook It seems a bit inconsistent at times, and I don't know if I need to account for that, or if we can plaster over some differences..
06:22 dcook I've been using Template::Toolkit WRAPPER for 7+ years on a different project, and it's so handy
06:22 Joubu which inconsistencies did you find?
06:22 dcook Mostly with classes and IDs I think
06:23 Joubu @later tell oleonard by chances did you have a look at 30289 already?
06:23 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
06:23 marcelr hi #koha
06:23 dcook hola marcelr
06:23 Joubu that's certainly coming from historical debts, not necessarily his choice
06:23 Joubu thanks, marcelr!
06:23 dcook Joubu: That's what I was hoping
06:23 marcelr o/
06:26 ashimema I'm also game for WRAPPER support early next cycle if we want to pursue it.
06:27 marcelr dcook will write lots of patches :)
06:27 ashimema As for mojo.. I've not read the commit for a while.. for me a big win for mojo would be having an event loop built in.. then we can start to code in a non-blocking fashion
06:27 dcook marcelr: Why do you hate me so, marcel... haha
06:27 marcelr lol
06:27 ashimema But that a way off..
06:27 dcook ashimema: That's great to hear about your support though. Add your name to the report?
06:28 dcook And yeah the event loop... I'm trying to remember if I got that even when using Mojo::Server::PSGI...
06:28 ashimema I've not compared the current mojo approach to the current plack approach for performance.. be interesting to do that comparison
06:28 Joubu dcook: put 30707 somewhere in your head, for staff-side
06:28 dcook ashimema: bug 26791
06:28 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26791 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, NEW , Build Mojolicious controller replacement for export.pl
06:28 ashimema I should really flick the switch and start using ktd with mojo
06:28 dcook Joubu: I'll add my CC
06:31 Joubu fridolin: did you investigate the failure on Koha_Master?
06:32 dcook ashimema: I never did finish that export.pl replacement as there was just too much to do..
06:32 fridolin Joubu: not yet
06:32 ashimema We have someone here on the infra side whose keen to start looking at how we can break our packages down a bit further too.. he'd love to see koha-common not require Apache and have a koha-apache and koha-nginx package so we could optionally support either webserver
06:33 dcook Ah right... $c->$drain... did that work non-blocking.. can't remember..
06:33 ashimema We should start building a roadmap for 22.11 ;-)
06:33 ashimema Will take a look after kids duties done ;)
06:33 dcook ashimema: They could look at koha-core?
06:33 ashimema Indeed
06:34 Joubu ashimema: koha-core?
06:34 ashimema Did that actually start gettin traction yet..
06:34 dcook Not that I know of
06:34 Joubu yes he said
06:34 dcook Someone here accidentally installed it recently and I uninstalled it in favour of koha-common.. heh
06:34 ashimema I know we discussed it but don't remember where it got to...
06:34 dcook Btw I've been doing a bunch of work on Debian packaging for non-Koha projects, so I'm always keen to chat packaging...
06:34 * ashimema seems to always be juggling too many projects in Koha .
06:34 dcook Hard relate
06:34 dcook Plus other projects..
06:34 * dcook laughs and cries at the same time
06:35 dcook But yeah it would be cool to use either Apache or Nginx..
06:35 dcook And have koha-create automagically handle it..
06:35 ashimema Exactly
06:36 dcook Although..
06:36 dcook I think you'd still need to default to one
06:36 dcook maybe something in /etc/default/koha to choose which webserver you want to use
06:36 Joubu "misc/release_notes/release_notes_20_11_00.md:> Two new Koha packages have been created: `koha-full` and `koha-core`;Â Both packages are currently considered as experimental, and are not recommended for production use until further notice. We will be testing them during the 20.11 release cycle."
06:36 ashimema So koha-create and various other Debian scripts would come in the koha-nginx package for example.. instead of loha-core
06:36 dcook So koha-apache and koha-nginx wouldn't be mutually exclusive..
06:36 Joubu who was this "we"? :D
06:36 ashimema Ha
06:37 dcook ashimema: Oh I don't know if I like that..
06:37 Joubu well, it should work, no need for other packages
06:37 dcook Joubu: Maybe me and Tomas O_O
06:37 dcook Optimistic I guess
06:37 dcook Actually, that goes back to that earlier thing..
06:37 dcook koha-core would be great to use in ktd
06:38 Joubu mtj[m] worked on that, and he knows what to do when it's package related
06:38 dcook And then have a RabbitMQ container instead of in the same container..
06:38 Joubu I am trusting him for that
06:38 marcelr could we stop with marc too soon ?
06:38 dcook marcelr: I should send you this great Bibframe vs MARC meme I saw the other day..
06:39 ashimema Lol
06:39 marcelr dcook not to talk about ifla-lrm
06:39 dcook [off] isn't ifla crumbling anyway?
06:40 marcelr that off switch is great
06:40 dcook National libraries in Canada and Australia seem to be falling apart too..
06:40 dcook How about other countries?
06:40 dcook Australia they're cutting services and raising prices
06:40 dcook I've heard from friends in Canada that they're having massive cuts as well
06:40 marcelr i heard such things from US
06:41 dcook That's scary..
06:41 marcelr Netherlands is always 50 years later
06:41 dcook So they're funded for years yet? Hehe
06:41 Joubu dcook: no account on gitlab?
06:42 dcook Joubu: Me?
06:42 wahanui it has been said that dcook is afraid I don't understand the question
06:42 dcook Got that right...
06:42 dcook yeah nah I have an account
06:42 dcook I'll share it with you
06:43 dcook [off] https://gitlab.com/minusdavid
06:43 dcook Joubu: ^
06:43 Joubu https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/-/issues/297
06:44 dcook My stats look way worse without the private projects.. lol
06:44 Joubu I've created this issue, but your name didn't autocomplete
06:44 dcook Nice
06:46 dcook Commenting now..
06:52 Joubu would be nice to have a roadmap for 22.11..
06:53 Joubu @later tell tcohen would be nice to start a roadmap for 22.11?
06:53 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
06:54 marcelr how many percent of the 22.05 roadmap did we get in btw ?
06:55 Joubu a 22.05 roadmap?
06:55 marcelr yes
06:56 marcelr didnt you create one
06:56 Joubu I am not aware of any
06:56 marcelr i think we should remove effective itemtype and that pref
06:56 marcelr just to mention an example :)
06:57 fridolin no sorry i did not made one
06:57 Joubu inded, topic "My dev list for 22.05" on koha-devel
06:57 marcelr fridolin: why use a roadmap if you know the way haha
06:58 fridolin so much to do and so little time ;)
06:58 Joubu marcelr: I had a look at it at the beginning of the cycle. I didn't write anything because of the rename of the DB column
06:58 fridolin i hope more will be acheived in 22.11
06:58 Joubu and I understood it would be a nightmare to get it in, as it would break the reports
06:58 Joubu and people are conservative when it comes to reports...
06:59 marcelr dont touch my reports !
06:59 fridolin we add Recalls in the goals, it is in
06:59 marcelr thats great
06:59 Joubu marcelr: but you could go without the columns rename
07:00 dcook Joubu: It looks like testing koha-core could actually be easier than I used to think..
07:00 Joubu apt install koha-core, yes that's easy :D
07:04 dcook If you've already installed koha-common, I think you'll have fun
07:04 marcelr and fridolin we have 2FA !
07:04 * dcook had to do an interesting mix of install/uninstall to install koha-common after koha-core had been installed..
07:04 marcelr fridolin the brave RM that pushed Recalls and 2FA !
07:05 marcelr koha-common should be renamed to koha-fun
07:05 marcelr only to be installed in a container
07:06 dcook I have thought a bit lately of trying to run a Koha in containers in prod but.. haven't had the guts yet
07:06 dcook And time is going so fast. Too bad talking to you folk instead of finishing up work :p
07:09 marcelr dcook: i am running Koha for years in containers
07:09 marcelr in prod
07:09 dcook marcelr: Oh cool. How many instances do you have? Is it just the one?
07:09 marcelr yeah i only do rijks
07:09 dcook That's so cool
07:10 dcook I have a lot of instances running across a bunch of servers.. so try to keep them all on the same model and not too adventurous.
07:10 dcook But I keep thinking about singling one out...
07:10 dcook How do you handle the DB?
07:10 dcook Container as well or separate DB server or?
07:10 marcelr sql container
07:11 dcook Named volume for the data volume?
07:11 marcelr right
07:11 dcook Cool
07:11 dcook What about for /var/lib and /etc/koha?
07:11 dcook /var/lib/koha*
07:11 marcelr var/lib is on a volume too
07:11 marcelr etc/koha isnt
07:11 dcook I just haven't put all the thought into what needs to be mounted volumes and what can just be image
07:12 marcelr var/log could be too but i didnt
07:12 marcelr i pull the logs from it every night
07:12 dcook How do you handle the koha-conf.xml?
07:13 marcelr my docker setup is mangling extensively with it
07:13 dcook Hehe
07:13 marcelr all sed
07:13 dcook Have you talked to Tomas about it?
07:13 marcelr no i dont talk to him lol
07:13 dcook I know he and Agustin were doing a bunch with Docker/Kubernetes a while back..
07:13 dcook No? Haha
07:13 marcelr kidding
07:13 dcook I was wondering if I'm just that oblivious...
07:14 marcelr my setup keeps me away from ktd
07:14 dcook Oh I meant for Theke stuff rather than ktd per se
07:14 marcelr i have prod and test on same setup and master on similar setip
07:15 marcelr setup
07:17 dcook That's awesome
07:17 dcook I have all my dev for everything in Docker so I'm always thinking it would be nice to start using Docker in prod..
07:18 dcook Use Docker for a lot of internal processes but not necessarily anything public facing..
07:18 dcook Oh that's not entirely true..
07:18 dcook Our Discourse is on Docker
07:19 dcook Actually, I have a project where we need to execute a task once a month, and I set it up to run on AWS ECS.. it costs $0/month
07:20 dcook It's great. I think there is a $0.01/month charge to host the Docker image in AWS ECR but that's pretty trivial
07:20 dcook But yes roadmap!
07:20 dcook I'm hoping to revisit OAI-PMH stuff, although I think it might just end up being local...
07:21 dcook But happy to work on T::T WRAPPER, Vue3, Debian packaging..
07:21 marcelr i would say lets choose 6 things for the roadmap for 6 months
07:21 dcook [off] and CSRF lol
07:21 dcook marcelr: I really like that idea
07:21 Joubu choose ONE thing
07:21 marcelr now everyone wants his stuff on the roadmap
07:21 dcook Joubu: Ugh even better haha
07:21 Joubu then choose another one when it's done
07:21 marcelr and we end up with 22 things
07:21 dcook marcelr: So true
07:21 marcelr or 33
07:22 dcook And I'm guilty of that. I want my stuff on the roadmap but it's too pie in the sky
07:22 * dcook is a dreamer...
07:22 dcook But yes... I'm all for a RM with an iron fist
07:22 marcelr dcook you could be RM
07:22 dcook marcelr: I think about it sometimes
07:22 marcelr you have all the qualities
07:22 * dcook waits for the punch line
07:22 marcelr 2023 is your year
07:23 marcelr 23.05 and 23.11
07:23 wahanui 46.16
07:23 marcelr haha
07:23 marcelr who taught you that wahanui
07:23 dcook Sometimes I do wonder how I'd manage as RM
07:24 dcook "Sorry everyone. Your patches shall be ignored, because it doesn't adhere to my roadmap where I want to move through things 1 by 1."
07:24 Joubu badly if you don't have time
07:24 dcook ^
07:24 dcook I'd be famous like Nero for all the wrong reasons...
07:24 dcook 23.05 is that release where dcook just let everyone down
07:24 dcook "Let them eat code"
07:24 dcook I may be mixing up my rulers...
07:25 marcelr its a great theme
07:26 ashimema RM is challenging... Like herding cats
07:26 ashimema And you can lead a horse to water but can't make it srink
07:26 ashimema Drink . Even.. haha
07:26 marcelr shrinking a horse ?
07:27 marcelr Shrink a horse, install Koha 23.05 !
07:27 ashimema I'd love for a roadmap to be globally agreed and adhered too.. but have come to the conclusion that there are just too many parties moving in so many different directions
07:27 Joubu Can't make it drink, neither with carrots or sticks :D
07:27 ashimema You can usually get concentration on the side for at least one, maybe two projects per cycle
07:28 ashimema The rest of the stuff that goes in is really just what happens happens
07:28 marcelr sure
07:28 marcelr but you could have a focus on one item for a month or so ?
07:28 Joubu not if you are alone
07:28 Joubu well, at least not me, not anymore
07:28 marcelr Joubu your stuff always gets in
07:28 ashimema As Joubu said.. pick one thing, grab a group of interested parties and keep pushing on that one thing till it's in.. then move on to your next thing.. seems to work better.
07:28 ashimema As painful as it may be
07:28 Joubu f**** rebases
07:29 dcook I mean... there are a lot of parties moving in a lot of directions, but surely the RM will should matter above all?
07:29 Joubu always? lol
07:29 marcelr almost
07:29 dcook That 1 thing at a time would be top priority
07:29 dcook Could do a monthly newsletter. "This is what we're doing this month."
07:29 dcook Actually, that's not a bad idea..
07:29 Joubu 3 of us one the same thing at the same time is 10x faster than 3 of us one 3 different things
07:30 dcook I have a non-Koha Perl project where we do have a monthly meeting to set the priorities for that month
07:30 dcook Joubu: 100%
07:30 ashimema Haha, not always dcook.. it's almost like politics.. terms are short so you tend to play nice with other people's stuff so you stand a chance of getting your own goals done
07:30 cait ok, now I had to read back because I just came in on the horse comment
07:30 ashimema Hmm, I'm game to try
07:31 marcelr it was kind of not quiet here cait
07:31 cait the problem is
07:31 ashimema Devs tend to have managers with their own ideas though :p
07:31 cait people don't get funding like that
07:31 Joubu Aren't we tryiing that for years? :D
07:31 cait they don't get funding to push a month on someone else's priority...
07:31 ashimema Indeed
07:31 cait gathering interested parties and keep the number of 'big building sites' low still woudl be a nice thing
07:31 marcelr point is too that a long roadmap is the same as no roadmap
07:31 ashimema How international is your other project dcook
07:32 ashimema And how many stakeholders are there?
07:32 dcook ashimema: Shhh :p
07:32 dcook Such an interesting conversation but I have to take a call..
07:32 marcelr sure
07:32 ashimema Haha
07:32 dcook It's true that's not how funding works but I think that still comes down to priorities
07:32 dcook People are free to work on whatever they want to work on
07:33 cait well, but they aren't
07:33 dcook And that's just part of the loose community
07:33 cait not here at least.. mostly
07:33 dcook Like my boss pays me to work on stuff which may never make it in and that's just life
07:33 dcook But for us to come together as a community (at least of core contributors?) and make some priorities..
07:33 dcook I'm sure I'd be more useful doing a bit of work on a RM priority here and there rather than just spinning my wheels on my own dream projects...
07:34 cait well, I am maybe slightly too negative, I gues smost of us do get some time for community only, but I know that customer demands can quickly take away from that time
07:34 dcook I have no time for community only hehe
07:34 * dcook has replaced coding on his own time with Muay Thai...
07:35 dcook I think I find just some moments here and there
07:35 dcook Anyway, don't mind me heh
07:35 * dcook takes his call
07:35 ashimema I build it into our contracts now.. but even then it's hard
07:36 dcook Oh I think I understand..
07:36 dcook ashimema: You mean client contracts?
07:36 dcook And cait do you mean funding in terms of people being paid by clients to work on projects?
07:38 ashimema I mean employee contracts
07:38 ashimema I'm in charge of hiring Devs now.. problem is.. they're all so expensive now
07:40 ashimema Community work is now part of the job description
07:40 dcook [off] Yeah we're struggling to hire at the moment too..
07:41 ashimema School run time, bbiab
07:42 ashimema We've changed tact.. going for small contracts now instead for a bit.. just to plug the gap
07:43 ashimema My team is mostly on Aspen stuff in the immediate future though.. leaves just me juggling our koha commitments
07:43 dcook :O
07:43 dcook Aspen is taking off more outside the US?
07:44 Nemo_bis https://www.aspeninstitute.org ?
07:47 ashimema https://bywatersolutions.com/products/aspen-discovery
07:47 ashimema It started as a vuFind fork but is much more now.. unrecognisable really
07:48 ashimema Yeah, it's taking off in the UK.
07:48 ashimema Has a lot of potential I think
08:02 dcook I haven't looked at Aspen in a while...
08:03 dcook We've been doing our own discovery layer lately
08:04 dcook Wow the Aspen team at Bywater has sure grown
08:05 ashimema It's selling like crazy over there and we're not far behind.. pretty much everyone we show it to wants it.
08:06 dcook Huh.. I'd like to hear more about that sometime
08:06 dcook I'd be curious for some more technical notes on it
08:07 ashimema [off] Pricing is challenging, UK market never has the same cash flow as US market
08:07 dcook Must've been years ago I looked at it now that I think about it
08:08 dcook [off] Same here I think
08:13 dcook ashimema: Is this the canonical repo? https://github.com/mdnoble73/aspen-discovery
08:15 dcook Not loving that codebase..
08:15 * dcook wishes sometimes that there was more rigid guidelines for website codebase layouts..
08:15 ashimema Our Devs are finding a little challenging to get up to speed. But none of us has done much java in recent years
08:16 dcook I was wondering about that 15.5% Java
08:16 cait is that the solr/lucene bits?
08:16 dcook Java is actually getting interesting again... not that I've coded much with it lately but I read stuff..
08:17 dcook Red Hat are pushing Quarkus and they've got Keycloak running on that lately
08:17 dcook Apparently GraalVM is the new hotness..
08:18 dcook cait: I see some jars for "Turning Leaf Technologies"?
08:18 dcook Interesting that they're storing JARs in the Git..
08:19 dcook Yeah I can see why it would take a while to get up to speed. There's a lot there...
08:19 dcook Think we'll stick to our own discovery layer..
08:20 dcook I better run... but I'd be keen to see Joubu and marcelr 's idea of a few priorities come about
08:21 dcook I still think a globally agreed to roadmap could be a good thing. While everyone has their own priorities, it would be nice to have a few things that are like the "theme" of the release or something...
08:21 * dcook says hoping that those priorities align with his own interests >_>
08:22 dcook Anyway, hope you all enjoy your day. Night night...
08:32 ashimema everyone hopes those priorities align with their own.
08:32 ashimema or more importantly.. their employers 😜
08:32 ashimema getting the companies on side is key really for a roadmap.. and we're getting better there slowly..
08:32 ashimema the big three talk to each other and collaborate more and more again in recent times.
08:55 marcelr ashimema: The big three and the seven dwarfs only need a goalie
09:02 simon_ hi everyone
09:02 simon_ i get an error when trying to upgrade from 19.05 to 21.11:
09:02 simon_ Upgrading database schema for zenon {UNKNOWN}: DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Row size too large. The maximum row size for the used table type, not counting BLOBs, is 8126. This includes storage overhead, check the m anual. You have to change some columns to TEXT or BLOBs at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/Schema.pm line 1118. DBIx::Class::Schema::throw_exception(Koha::Schema=HASH(0x55a12a5d11f8), "DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::db do failed:
09:03 simon_ there is an exsting bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28267
09:03 huginn Bug 28267: critical, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Koha-common package upgrade problem from 20.05.xx to 20.11.04-1
09:04 Joubu saw comment 20?
09:04 ashimema I think comment 15 is probably your best bet for a quick fix simon_
09:04 simon_ i ran ALTER TABLE `deleteditems` ROW_FORMAT=DYNAMIC; ALTER TABLE `items` ROW_FORMAT=DYNAMIC;
09:04 ashimema sorry.. comment 20.. Joubu is right
09:04 simon_ but it seems it is another table
09:04 ashimema 15 does it for one table.. 20 loops
09:06 simon_ ok so it is recommended to do that for all tables?
09:06 ashimema I think i would
09:06 ashimema fresh installs are done with dynamic for all
09:10 simon_ ok thx
10:18 simon_ after upgrading to 21.11 and elasticseach 7 i get the following message when running the rebuild with -d flag:
10:19 simon_ Unable to update mappings for index "koha_test_biblios". Reason was: "Types cannot be provided in put mapping requests, unless the include_type_name parameter is set to true.". Index needs to be recreated and reindexedSomething went wrong rebuilding indexes for test.
10:22 cait i think there were some elasticsearch 7 bugs around
10:22 cait tuxayo: maybe?
10:23 cait simon_: could it be bug 25669?
10:23 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25669 normal, P5 - low, ---, kevin.carnes, In Discussion , ElasticSearch 6: [types removal] Specifying types in put mapping requests is deprecated (incompatible with 7)
10:24 cait people lean towards the alternatve patch -maybe something you coudl try
10:24 cait It appears to be the only missing dependency from the elasticsearch 7 omnibus bug atm
10:25 cait bug 25439
10:25 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25439 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [Omnibus] Prepare Koha to ElasticSearch 7 - ES7
10:26 oleonard o/
10:27 oleonard Joubu: I've only looked quickly at Bug 30289. Too many other things going on to look in detail right now.
10:27 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30289 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, In Discussion , Use Template::Toolkit WRAPPER to reduce template boilerplate
10:28 cait hi oleonard
10:28 wahanui hi oleopard
10:28 cait oleonard++
10:32 simon_ https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25669 seems to be it
10:32 huginn Bug 25669: normal, P5 - low, ---, kevin.carnes, In Discussion , ElasticSearch 6: [types removal] Specifying types in put mapping requests is deprecated (incompatible with 7)
10:36 paulderscheid[m] Hi Koha, is it wrong to define new query parameters for new api-endpoints? I just re-read the api docs and am not quite sure what the q param is used for.
10:37 ashimema q allows you to search on any exposed fields
10:38 ashimema you read this https://api.koha-community.org/Development.html#section/Filtering-responses bit of the docs right?
10:38 paulderscheid[m] yeah
10:38 ashimema so q is a json encoded search query
10:39 ashimema what query params are you wanting to add ?
10:39 ashimema tcohen is the api pro.. but I may be able to guide
10:40 cait paulderscheid[m]: unrelated question -will you be in Leipzig?
10:42 paulderscheid[m] It's a whole bunch for 4 new endpoints that I created. These are all just basic integers and strings with a discernible name that I use in my controllers.
10:42 paulderscheid[m] An example would be... (full message at https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/xbcKYyeMxodGKBKcsuQaMNPh)
10:43 ashimema so it's a paging param basically
10:43 ashimema do you actually need a new controller for it..?
10:43 ashimema are there not already API's returning that data if passed the right query?
10:44 paulderscheid[m] cait: No, but LMSCloud will be there at the EKZ booth.
10:44 ashimema i.e. we do have a biblios endpoint
10:44 paulderscheid[m] ashimema: Let me take a look
10:48 cait paulderscheid[m]: I know, we have a booth as well - I plan to visit
10:48 paulderscheid[m] ashimema: I needed a new controller for a new model that provides data based on position within itemcallnumbers.
10:49 paulderscheid[m] cait: Yeah, I guessed that you already knew that. But i won't be there.
10:50 cait I guessed so... but was still hoping to meet in person after missing out in Marseille - there will be another time
10:50 ashimema you can order the query
10:50 ashimema so wouldn't it just be a sort on call_number_sort ?
10:51 ashimema tcohen may be able to offer some better guidance once he's about
10:51 ashimema https://api.koha-community.org/Development.html#operation/deleteBiblio
10:51 ashimema we're bad at that area's of documentation still ☹ï¸
10:53 paulderscheid[m] ashimema: I should test that.
10:53 paulderscheid[m] No problem, writing comprehensive documentation on that scale is always a pain.
10:55 simon_ what is the best way to search bugzilla? its almost always that i try to search there, find nothing, come here and someone points me to a bug already existing :D
10:55 paulderscheid[m] I'm just asking because I want to reduce redundancy as much as possible and use the way you intended.
10:55 ashimema I have a feeling you may find the _match stuff helpful too..
10:55 ashimema like 'starts_with' instead of 'exact' match for example
10:55 oleonard simon_: What are you looking for?
10:55 ashimema no, it's great that you'r asking paulderscheid
10:56 ashimema and if there's things missing it's certainly something we should account for.. your a real use case 🙂
10:56 simon_ i now got [illegal_argument_exception] Text fields are not optimised for operations that require per-document field data like aggregations and sorting, so these operations are disabled by default. Please use a keyword field instead. Alternatively, set fielddata=true on [location__facet] in order to load field data by uninverting the inverted index. when running an intranet search
10:56 ashimema tomas and I are always looking for feedback so we can improve this stuff to work for people
10:56 simon_ (plack-intranet-error.log)
10:57 ashimema wow..
10:57 paulderscheid[m] ashimema: Thanks for the pointers. I'm gonna evaluate if these fit my use case.
10:57 ashimema did I just read that right..
10:57 ashimema we have 'get biblio'.. but haven't implimented 'list' for bibs yet?
10:57 ashimema that's a massive oversight
10:58 paulderscheid[m] ashimema: Would be kinda helpful ^^
10:58 cait we have a few 'holes'
10:58 cait like we can list checkout setc. but we can't make one :)
10:59 cait recently ran into that for a workshop question
10:59 ashimema I suppose it's not been a dire need because many people already use the sru or other things for that.
10:59 cait maybe
10:59 davidnind https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30790
10:59 huginn Bug 30790: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add REST API route to list biblios
11:00 ashimema well.. we should probably get working on it somehow.. I suppose it's a much more complicated case because it's not DB fields as much as it's a whole search engine
11:01 ashimema oh cool
11:05 tcohen hola #koha
11:10 tcohen jajm++ # bib routes
11:13 ashimema we don't have any guidelines as to when a patron name should be linked vs not linked do we
11:13 ashimema or consistency guidelines on what forms should be used in various locations?
11:14 oleonard I would say patron names should usually be linked unless there's a compelling reason not to
11:15 oleonard I'm not sure I understand your second question
11:15 ashimema so for the first one...
11:15 ashimema take the 'Set patron permissions' page..
11:16 ashimema we embed the patron name into the breadcrumb.. the overall link is to the current page -- seems sane to me
11:16 ashimema we also add the name into the 'h1'
11:16 ashimema in that case it's not linked..
11:16 ashimema should it be?
11:17 ashimema as for the second question
11:17 oleonard My practice is to avoid links in headings
11:17 ashimema I agree oleonard.. so that would be a good rule to have
11:17 ashimema or guideline I mean
11:17 ashimema the other half of the question is around all the options one can now send to the patron-title.inc
11:18 oleonard The patron permissions page breadcrumbs would be improved by an additional link between "Patrons" and "Set permissions..." which links to the patron
11:19 ashimema there's a bunch of options listed here: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30568
11:19 jajm tcohen, not sure if they follow best practices but hey, it works :) i'm open to suggestions
11:19 huginn Bug 30568: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Make patron name fields more flexible
11:19 ashimema which is the omnibus I'm working on at the minute
11:19 tcohen jajm: that can be worked on as a team
11:19 tcohen and we need more fine-grained guidelines written
11:20 ashimema so you would put `Home > Patrons > Patron name > Set permissions` oleonard?
11:20 tcohen Joubu: I'll try to work on the roadmap over the weekend, I'm open to suggestions
11:21 ashimema I think I like that.. would be great to go through and make those breadcrumbs more consistent like this
11:21 oleonard the problem with breadcrumbs on patron pages is that we have two options for what is the "canonical" view for patrons. The checkout page (the practical option) or the detail page (the technically-correct option)
11:21 ashimema true
11:22 ashimema so maybe that's one for another bug.. lol
11:22 oleonard At one time I tried to create a preference for picking one or the other views as default, but that effort died
11:22 ashimema but still.. do you have any thoughts on when patron-title should be called with 'no_title' for example
11:23 ashimema I personally think we could perhaps limit ourselves to two clear options 'concise' and 'full'
11:23 ashimema with 'no_html' or 'no_link' options on them on top?
11:24 ashimema ha.. that's kinda where I'm going with this.. but the first step I believe is to actually get our use of patron-title.inc happening everywhere
11:24 ashimema problem I'm running in to is there are so many options and it becomes a bit of a minefield trying to pick
11:24 oleonard Yeah that list of options is... long
11:24 ashimema and growing 😜
11:25 oleonard My gut reaction is to say that we should have two main ways to display patron names: "Full details" used in headings/subheadings, and "Brief details" used in links.
11:25 oleonard But obviously that is an oversimplification.
11:26 ashimema so you pretty much are agreeing with my 'concise' and 'full' options
11:26 oleonard (within those two primary modes, you would also have surname,firstname or firstname surname
11:26 oleonard )
11:27 ashimema see.. I don't think we should give that as an option on the include.. but rather make that a global pref
11:27 ashimema so 'concise' might be 'firstname surname' OR 'surname, firstname' depending on the pref value
11:27 ashimema but it would be consistent everywhere.. rather than each template picking the order
11:28 oleonard Yeah I could see there being no surname,firstname option for the full option, since it would be generally used in headings
11:28 ashimema yup, seems sensible to me
11:29 oleonard the brief surname,firstname option is, to me, the "data" view. Where names are used as data rather than in a natural-language context
11:29 ashimema in fact.. I'm kinda thinking the pref would be for the two formats.. but would just be an open tt or otherwise customisable format based on patron fields
11:30 ashimema so if they really wanted 'full' to be 'title firstname middlename surname (othernames) - preferedname [cardnumber]' they could.
11:30 ashimema haha
11:31 oleonard Did you make up "preferredname" or did I miss a bug report?
11:32 ashimema that is a bug
11:36 oleonard We've always treated othernames as preferredname
11:37 ashimema bug 28633
11:37 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28633 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Failed QA , Add a preferred_name field and an effective_name method to patrons
11:37 ashimema yeah, it's failed qa right now
11:37 ashimema because a) it's confusing and b) i'm not really sure about the implementation details.. it feels rather funky
11:43 oleonard_ oi
11:47 oleonard Yeah you better run
11:52 oleonard Why does this kill my ktd? "koha-koha-1 | Database is not empty! at /kohadevbox/misc4dev/populate_db.pl line 101."
11:53 oleonard it kills koha-koha-1 anyway.
11:53 paulderscheid[m] Did you 'kd'?
11:54 oleonard I Ctrl-C'ed it, did not then 'kd'
11:54 paulderscheid[m] You should
11:55 domm[m] Hey, me again with another weird question:
11:55 domm[m] Our librarians want to store the plain ISBN and an ISBN with dashes, both in 020, where the normal ISBN goes into 020$a, and the dashed ISBN into 020$9 (as suggested here https://koha-wiki.thulb.uni-jena.de/erschliessung/katalogisierung/handbuecher/020-internationale-standardbuchnummer-isbn/)
11:55 domm[m] But when they only enter something in 020$9, it is not stored, only when there is some value in any other 020 subfield.
11:55 domm[m] I also tested this with 022$9, same effect
11:56 domm[m] is there some internal magic that deletes $9 if no other subfield is set?
11:56 domm[m] This would make sense as $9 is often used to store koha-ids..
11:56 domm[m] So is the best solution to use a different subfield (thats not used in the MARC21 spec)>
11:57 domm[m] (For fun, I added a subfield 020$7, and this field is stored even if there is no other data)
12:00 simon_ do i need to set a elasticsearch mapping before running koha-elasticsearch --rebuild ?
12:00 caroline domm[m], it seems like a bugs, but is there a particular reason for storing the ISBN both with and without hyphens?
12:02 domm[m] caroline: huh, no idea, I guess it's only a cosmetic issue.
12:02 domm[m] simon_: Koha comes with default elasticsearch mappings
12:02 simon_ currently elasticsearch has no indices
12:03 domm[m] Did you run rebuild_elasticsearch.pl ?
12:03 domm[m] I think they will be created during the first run
12:03 simon_ i run sudo koha-elasticsearch --rebuild -v -p 2 <name>
12:04 simon_ current result is
12:04 simon_ [9188] Checking state of biblios index Unable to update mappings for index "koha_zenon_biblios". Reason was: "Types cannot be provided in put mapping requests, unless the include_type_name parameter is set to true.". Index needs to be recreated and reindexedSomething went wrong rebuilding indexes for zenon
12:06 domm[m] What version of ES are you using?
12:06 simon_ 7.17.3
12:06 simon_ but i upgraded from 5
12:06 simon_ so i deleted the old indices
12:06 domm[m] ok, I think Koha only works with 6
12:07 domm[m] ES did some incompatible changes between 6 and 7
12:07 domm[m] AFAIK there is work going on to make Koha work with 7 (and later)
12:07 simon_ ah ok, did i misread https://koha-community.org/koha-21-11-05-released/ ?
12:07 domm[m] And the error you posted falls exactly into these changes...
12:08 simon_ ok, then i'll try a downgrade
12:08 domm[m] oh, ok, sorry, we're still on 21.05
12:09 domm[m] So maybe that's a bug in the Koha/ES7 integration
12:10 domm[m] See (maybe?) also here: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25669
12:10 huginn Bug 25669: normal, P5 - low, ---, kevin.carnes, In Discussion , ElasticSearch 6: [types removal] Specifying types in put mapping requests is deprecated (incompatible with 7)
12:23 ashimema oh.. we probably still need our 22.11 release team patch before release..
12:27 oleonard I wonder why we never added MARC documentation links to the authority record editor...
12:27 ashimema an oversighT?
12:28 caroline I could've sworn they were there...
12:29 caroline I remember when MarcFieldDocURL was added, I had noticed it didn't work with authority fields
12:32 oleonard Oh look at that... Bug 10941
12:32 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10941 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , MARC21 documentation links while adding an authority
12:44 ashimema bug 30808 🙂
12:44 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30808 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Release team 22.11
12:57 tcohen hi #koha. for the release notes
12:58 tcohen do you think we could set some thereshold, like, 70% after which we consider translations complete
12:58 tcohen and then we have two lists: 'Koha is translated into this languages' and 'partially translated into this languages'
12:58 tcohen without the percentage?
12:59 tcohen we've been struggling with translating the daily quotes into spanish, to put an example
12:59 tcohen and it is so silly to say it is 99% translated
13:00 tcohen and now we have the whole bunch of UNIMARC framework labels... which will clearly make this worse
13:00 * oleonard thinks translating quotes from terrible US presidents is not worth anyone's time
13:03 tcohen heh
13:03 tcohen and UNIMARC?
13:03 wahanui i heard UNIMARC was UNIMARC ...
13:03 tcohen which no spanish-speaking library uses?
13:07 oleonard Perhaps... Exclude UNIMARC from the percentage unless the language is fr-* ?
13:11 tcohen I think we hurt ourselves (the project image) with nonsense with those percentages
13:11 tcohen above X should me marked as 'translated into' and lower 'partially translated into'
13:12 tcohen and maybe a link to pootle for each language so people can check completion and even get encouraged to complete it
13:16 oleonard It sounds like a good idea to me, but I'm not someone who has faced the prospect of installing partially-translated software
13:17 * oleonard bbl
13:24 tcohen oleonard-away: right, but what do we call partially?
13:27 ashimema I feel like quote of the day should be moved
13:29 ashimema feels like they could go from en/optional into localization/en-US
13:29 ashimema and that would get rid of them from the translation debt
13:29 ashimema that's an easy win
13:36 oleonard ashimema: I agree 100%
13:36 Joubu tcohen: I was suggesting yesterday to cait that we could retrieve the % for the 10 entries, add the 9 that are not framework, the /9
13:37 Joubu https://translate.koha-community.org/de/22.05/
13:37 Joubu that would show as "100% translated except unimarc framework"
13:37 ashimema @quote 123
13:37 huginn ashimema: I've exhausted my database of quotes
13:37 oleonard @quote get 123
13:37 huginn oleonard: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
13:37 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
13:37 Joubu the*n* /9
13:37 tcohen Joubu: I like that. Still feel like the percentage is misleading, for those above 90%
13:38 tcohen specially around 99%
13:38 tcohen haha
13:38 Joubu I don't understand, you want to show "fully translated" when it's actually "partially translated"
13:39 Joubu and "partially" when it's "almost not translated"..
13:39 Joubu translate to 100% and you will get 100% :D
13:39 Joubu (if you exclude unimarc fws)
13:39 cait quotes = moving them would make sense, we actually just copied them as I didn't want to risk a wrong trnslation of a famous quote someone actually said.
13:39 cait UNIMARC/MARC21 = Maybe we should not count frameworks in general?
13:39 ashimema I think rather than fudge the percentages we should go through and move things out that don't make sense to translate.. and do what Joubu said above about framework.
13:39 cait For a lot of users it might be interesting to see OPAC vs. staff actually
13:40 oleonard That's a good point cait
13:40 ashimema very good point cait
13:40 cait we get asked about that: can we activate the OPAC in... ?
13:41 cait also complete and partial make sense
13:41 Joubu Don't *-messages-js.po and *-messages.po contain strings for both opac and staff?
13:41 cait but looking at opac files might list some more langauges, that fall out right now
13:42 cait yes, but they are a small percentage of strings
13:42 Joubu yes, but supposed to be used more widely
13:42 cait so we could either not count them or count them for both and they woudl probably not have a huge effect
13:42 * ashimema like
13:43 cait sorting on pootle is broken :) but:
13:43 cait https://translate.koha-community.org/de/22.05/
13:43 cait staff alone is roughly 50% I'd day?
13:43 cait so if we split... we would promote people who have done the work for OPAC; which I'd really like
13:44 cait doing the staff side... is a quite gigantic task
13:47 tcohen Maybe I'm too pragmatic at the moment, but I feel like the release notes contain too much noise
13:47 tcohen and those percentages, in general, are noise
13:48 tcohen I will go do my 100% for es-ES with bgkriegel, that's not the problem
13:48 ashimema lets really improve the release notes stuff next cycle 😉
13:51 tcohen no, lets change everything last minute before the release, what could go wrong LOL
13:53 ashimema are we safe to switch bug 30275 back to PQA Joubu?
13:53 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30275 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Checkout renewals should be stored in their own table
13:53 domm[m] caroline: It seems that DNB (German National Library) also uses 020$9 for ISBNs-with-hyphen, and we use their SRU for cataloguing.
13:53 ashimema before I forget about it again.. haha
13:54 domm[m] So is this a known bug (020$9 being deleted if there is no data in other subfields)? or shall I report a new one?
13:54 ashimema report it.. bugzilla will try and find a dupe for you when you try to come up with a title line for it
13:55 Joubu ashimema: I guess so, haven't done a full review however but it was PQA already
13:55 ashimema I'm happy to wait.. was more of a 'what state are we at with it'
13:55 Joubu switch back to PQA
13:55 ashimema ta 🙂
14:02 domm[m] ashimema: here you go: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30812
14:02 huginn Bug 30812: normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , subfield 9 deleted if no other data is available
14:02 ashimema brill, thanks 🙂
14:02 ashimema your up marcelr 😜 ^
15:17 cait tcohen: I agree with partial and complete, just think listing OPAC woudl give helpful info and award more languages
15:19 cait domm[m] i believe they do a without and 9 with hyphens? at least that's how we get the data from our union catlaog. the $9 is a German agreement
15:19 cait or german-spaking
15:50 ashimema @later tell fridolin bug 30730 might still be a candidate for release.. no strings changed and it's a major
15:50 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
15:50 oleonard Bug 30730
15:50 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30730 major, P5 - low, ---, shi-yao.wang, Passed QA , Holds to Pull should not list items with a notforloan status
15:50 ashimema it got my in a right brain melt
15:50 ashimema but it's actually a really trivial patch in the end
15:51 ashimema the prefs confuse things.. in this case I think they're all irrelevant in effect.
15:51 ashimema though I'd love to clear that up in the pref descriptions/manual as cleary david found them confusing
15:55 domm[m] cait: yes, ISBN without hypens is in 020$a, but when manually cataloguing, the seem to only fill out $9, which then is lost
15:55 cait domm[m] i tihnk that's linked to the fact that Koha uses $9 for authorities somehow
15:56 cait an authority link without $a woudl not make sense... but not sure what a fix could be if that's it
15:56 cait maybe it would need to check if it's actually a field linked to an authority
16:00 cait sorry, had to flee from the rain in between my previous comment and now :)
16:19 oleonard I try to do just a small tweak or two to the additem template and fall down a deep rabbit hole
17:20 reiveune bye
17:34 michal hey guys, i keep trying to install koha but it keeps failing on me with the same error message
17:35 oleonard How are you installing?
17:35 michal i'm trying to run koha-testing-docker
17:36 oleonard What is the host machine OS? And what is the error you're getting?
17:36 michal i have koha cloned
17:36 michal its a windows machine and I'm using docker
17:36 michal here's the error message
17:36 michal koha-db-1 | 2022-05-19 17:27:32 3 [Warning] Aborted connection 3 to db: 'unconnected' user: 'unauthenticated' host: '172.18.0.6' (This connection closed normally without authentication)
17:36 michal koha-koha-1 | /kohadevbox/run.sh: /usr/sbin/koha-create: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
17:36 michal koha-koha-1 exited with code 126
17:37 oleonard I don't think I've seen that error before. I wonder if there are other koha-db-1 errors further back?
17:38 michal i'll look
17:41 michal no other errors for koha-db-1
17:42 michal i think there might be something with the koha-koha-1 error as well, because i'm not sure why it's trying to access bash^M instead of bash.eve
17:42 michal bash.exe*
17:44 oleonard I think that refers to bash inside the container, not on your host machine. I could be wrong.
18:01 paulderscheid[m] Hi Michal, what version of Windows are you on? Maybe I can reproduce the problem.
18:02 paulderscheid[m] Are you using Docker Desktop for Windows? michal
18:03 michal I'm using windows 11
18:03 michal build 22621.1
18:05 michal also yes i'm using docker desktop
18:06 paulderscheid[m] Ok, I have a machine running 22000.675
18:06 paulderscheid[m] Testing...
18:06 wahanui testing is, like, important :)
18:08 michal lol yeah it is
18:08 michal let me know if the same thing happens
18:30 michal 0.
18:35 paulderscheid[m] I get the same error.
18:35 paulderscheid[m] Let's find a solution.
18:45 paulderscheid[m] The ^M is the carriage return on Windows. We'll have to parse that out of run.sh somehow.
19:01 michal how can i access the run.sh file
19:02 michal from docker, it says that the directories are copied from kohadevbox
19:03 paulderscheid[m] It's copied from koha-testing-docker/files/run.sh
19:03 paulderscheid[m] So you can edit this file.
19:09 paulderscheid[m] Ah right, we can't edit the file there. Instead we have to generate a new koha image with run.sh already modified to be compatible with unix.
19:09 paulderscheid[m] I'll test one other thing first, then I will try that.
19:14 paulderscheid[m] Wait, no need.
19:15 paulderscheid[m] I spun up a new wsl2 debian and did everything on the terminal.
19:15 paulderscheid[m] Now it works.
19:15 paulderscheid[m] I think it's important that you clone the repo on linux, so the unix like carriage return is used.
19:16 paulderscheid[m] <paulderscheid[m]> "Ah right, we can't edit the file..." <- This would've probably failed.
19:16 paulderscheid[m] paulderscheid[m]: by git
19:17 michal so i should install the repo again but using wsl/
19:17 paulderscheid[m] michal:
19:17 paulderscheid[m] right
19:18 michal koha-testing-docker but not koha itself
19:18 paulderscheid[m] do everything from within a linux instance on wsl2
19:18 paulderscheid[m] I cloned the koha repo again just to be safe.
19:18 michal okay sounds good
19:18 michal what about the db error
19:19 paulderscheid[m] But you can set your environment vars to /mnt/c/and/so/on
19:19 paulderscheid[m] michal: The db error always shows up.
19:19 paulderscheid[m] At least for me.
19:20 paulderscheid[m] If you see that zebra starts to index then the db is setup right.
19:20 michal gotchu, so it should run fine with that error, it's the run.sh file that was messing up
19:20 paulderscheid[m] Exactly
19:21 michal perfect, i'll try reinstalling now
19:21 paulderscheid[m] Ping me if it works now
19:21 paulderscheid[m] I'm eager to know ^^
19:22 michal oki doki
21:27 michal paulerscheid[m]:
21:27 michal i've got a new error when i cloned the directory and set up koha-testing-docker again
21:27 michal koha-koha-1 | Base class package "Auth::GoogleAuth" is empty.
21:27 michal koha-koha-1 | (Perhaps you need to 'use' the module which defines that package first,
21:27 michal koha-koha-1 | or make that module available in @INC (@INC contains: /kohadevbox/koha /kohadevbox/koha/lib /kohadevbox/qa-test-tools /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.32.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.32.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.32 /usr/share/perl5
21:27 michal /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.32
21:27 michal /usr/share/perl/5.32 /usr/local/lib/site_perl).
21:49 paulderscheid[m] That's odd.
21:49 paulderscheid[m] It's almost midnight so I'll have to look into that tomorrow.
21:51 paulderscheid[m] The error message basically says that a perl package called Auth::GoogleAuth isn't installed.
21:51 paulderscheid[m] Never saw that one before.
21:59 davidnind maybe do a docker-compose pull to get the latest images?
23:13 tuxayo michal: hi :) here are some notes I took from some people's experience to run ktd on Windows: https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/-/issues/293
23:14 tuxayo My opinion is that if you have a Linux machine or dual boot or virtual machine that you are confortable to use, it's certain that running ktd on Linux will get you less issues.
23:14 tuxayo If you never touched Linux, there is no obvious good path for ktd I think.
23:17 dcook I try to be useful heh
23:18 dcook Cloning on Windows has a few problems. One is line endings although Git can be configured to get around it. The real problem is file permissions if I recall correctly.
23:29 michal yeah i remember you told me to get a virtual machine, i'm going to try it on there instead of with wsl2
23:50 tuxayo dcook: the notes on the ticket are your feedback, thanks again ^^
23:50 dcook tuxayo: Yeah I saw my name and smiled haha
23:50 dcook I'm actually tempted to try wsl2 sometime..
23:51 dcook I've been using WSL since it came out, so I'm still on WSL1 on this machine..
23:51 dcook Although my Docker Desktop uses Hyper-V, because I've also been using Docker Desktop a very long time..
23:51 tuxayo dcook: «tempted to try wsl2» yes, if you know a way to roll back in case that break everything
23:51 dcook tuxayo: Oh I meant WSL2 in general not for WSL2 heh
23:52 dcook In terms of rolling back... I think it's quite a manual process
23:52 dcook And it would vary from person to person
23:52 dcook Since I use Docker Desktop for many things and not just Koha, it would be a huge process for me
23:52 dcook I mean... I think I routinely backup about 5 Docker volumes, but there are so many images I wouldn't want to re-download... but backing those up also feels annoying...
23:52 dcook All automatable but takes time and energy I suppose..
23:58 dcook Actually, I suppose the rollback would be similar to the migration anyway, so it's really just about downtime in the end..
23:59 tuxayo On the other hand before trying wsl2 stuff: everyone try on Linux first for the sake of libre software! And to stay away as much as possible from the horrible actor that is Microsoft.
23:59 tuxayo I can't believe that I took time to try ktd on Windows with people. Microsoft took libre software (Linux and stuff) to make their WSL and now we are happily making efforts to stay confortable on the jail that is Windows to directly run Koha on it. Well done MS for making WSL to make people stay on Windows.
23:59 * tuxayo is suddenly more lucid about the situation due to being the whole at a partly libre-software convention.