Time  Nick         Message
02:21 mtj          hi tuxayo, re 30034 - you can ignore :)
06:36 reiveune     hello
06:36 wahanui      hello, reiveune
07:02 matts        hi !
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30540: Fix perl critic complaint of leading zeros <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=844ed1d534f9a42eba298df3e44ff4b0375641e1>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30540: Unit test <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5bf08e4d490ff2f970e9c0cece294cdbb198be46>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30540: eval on set_time_zone <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2562727648cbde443a3fac7c475492c6976b5dab>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30518: Unit test <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae557cfa91655b6bb8316b1a4632876f08a54640>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30518: Correct DateTime maths for needs_advancing <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c48ec95cbfc717a460a723e1a0f8274a2c4aace9>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30509: Fix configuration of Notices accordion widget <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=42612370cca95ece959ab7cbdba5275010a6b521>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30488: Fix error when placing recall via OPAC <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3642d51a12bab8ae63ce026325aca5c936c533f>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30435: Remove unused MACLES cataloging plugin <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cddcba9edb4f5defa559ab59ea2d6ba6ac3d65bc>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30223: Move book cover image upload JS to a separate file <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e90c0cbb3abc4656139cfdbdefbbc159f67c470>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 29602: (follow-up) fix duplicate, missing or mismatching <span> <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9dcfa320f50466ddd75eb90697e9ff3bb12722de>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 29602: (follow-up) fix crash: SET KohaSpan => USE KohaSpan <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7a51588854f27bb908d2eb66cb54314bd5c8bfc>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 29602: (follow-up) Fix TT tags broken due to missing % <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b919ed124239805c296377d42e8da9fb45ad68c>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 29602: (follow-up) Surround strings with span tag <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e7153a5722d9d260861db082fcbf9205822f8ec>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 29602: Surround strings with span tag <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e08629b68b40ee142968a4b589da15653c7c8e8e>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 29483: Further improve performance of script <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa8e9fe5c5ba7a9d1e7f688e894d460ef5adc94d>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 29483: Unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4113f765b6fd4d62d8aa3ae86de5e0f4987b227e>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 29483: Check ItemsAnyAvailableAndNotRestricted once per patron <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=68c92b49d12f4e16fb6679835cc04eeda8c51633>
07:26 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 25815: SIP Checkout: add more information on why the patron is blocked. <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d21157b35c3cee9c74f9abdd436a17e7b4ca3c58>
07:33 fridolin     today meeting https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_20_April_2022
07:33 fridolin     (tomorrow 4am for me)
07:34 rangi[m]     2am for me :)
07:35 fridolin     rangi[m]: yey good to see u
07:37 rangi[m]     i think we are 22 hours apart :) which actually makes us closest to each other in time, just on a whole different day :)
07:38 fridolin     funny indeed
07:38 fridolin     for new year and Xmas
07:38 fridolin     we call our familly in the morning and they are already drunk :D
07:38 rangi[m]     hehe
07:41 fridolin     rangi[m]: you may come to KohaCon22 US ?
07:42 fridolin     i'm planning on comming
07:43 rangi[m]     im not sure we will have the budget to go, but perhaps
07:46 fridolin     maybe KohaCon25 in NZ wooooo
07:47 rangi[m]     :-)
07:47 severine_q   Hi Koha !
07:56 rangi[m]     hi severine_q
07:57 severine_q   Kia ora rangi[m] !
08:03 alohabot     🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo  🥪🍭🍛
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09:21 alohabot     🎁 🤡 Koha '19.11.x' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo  🍙🍛🍠
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10:20 oleonard     Hi all
10:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D11 build #39: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D11/39/
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10:32 pastebot     "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Error when searching patrons by name" (5 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/8790
10:33 oleonard     Anyone know if this is a bug or just me? ^^
10:37 oleonard     I can search by category, by library, or browse by last name. But I can't search by name.
10:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #598: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/598/
10:46 oleonard     Just you and me koha-jenkins.
10:54 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
10:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #282: FIXED in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/282/
10:54 wahanui      Congratulations!
11:00 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U_Stable build #78: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U_Stable/78/
11:05 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
11:05 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #371: FIXED in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U18/371/
11:05 wahanui      Congratulations!
11:08 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master build #1982: FAILURE in 8 min 3 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/1982/
11:09 marcelr      o/
11:12 tcohen       hola #koha
11:13 ashimema     morning tcohen
11:17 tcohen       hi ashimema
11:30 oleonard     Anyone else getting errors when searching patrons by name?
11:34 tcohen       nothing changes in the area for ages, oleonard
11:34 tcohen       heh
11:34 oleonard     :|
11:34 tcohen       what kind of errors
11:34 oleonard     https://paste.koha-community.org/8790
11:35 oleonard     I can search by category, by library, or browse by last name. But I can't search by name.
11:35 ashimema     ah
11:35 ashimema     that could be data related
11:36 ashimema     the error means you have some patrons with a null updated_on field in the database
11:36 oleonard     Was there a db update that should have caught that?
11:36 ashimema     (or worse there's a funky date that datetime explodes on?)
11:36 ashimema     I don't know that there was
11:36 ashimema     but we didn't care before now.. the api makes these things stricter
11:36 tcohen       let's check the dbrev that introduced updated_on
11:37 ashimema     I had similar issues with orders and accession dates
11:37 oleonard     I have 661 patrons with null updated_on :)
11:37 tcohen       because we (devs) use strict mode mariadb/mysql
11:37 ashimema     ok.. so the quick fix to get you working is to set them all to now()
11:37 tcohen       and maybe it is different on production deployments
11:37 ashimema     that'll get you out of a hole..
11:37 ashimema     but we should add a BD update to fix such data too
11:37 ashimema     yeagh
11:38 tcohen       UPDATE borrowers SET updated_on=NOW() WHERE updated_on IS NULL;
11:38 oleonard     Thanks all that fixed it for me.
11:40 oleonard     None in our production system so just a problem with my test data
11:41 marcelr      there is a report in the pipeline that touches updated_on in borrowers
11:41 marcelr      PQA
11:41 marcelr      iirc
11:42 ashimema     🙂
11:42 tcohen       https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha/src/branch/master/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl#L12662
11:42 tcohen       gitea is so slow
11:42 oleonard     Yeah :(
11:42 marcelr      bug 27253
11:42 huginn       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27253 normal, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , borrowers.updated_on cannot be null on fresh install, but can be null with upgrade
11:42 ashimema     yeah.. and that's after Joubu made a bunch of config changes to improve it for me a while back
11:43 tcohen       anyway, I'm not sure why we set the column NULL, but that upgrade should've made those not-null
11:43 ashimema     I like gittea.. but it does need some performance fixes really.
11:43 tcohen       maybe some batch import (for example) is doing things wrong
11:44 tcohen       everything works wrong with a project like our's size
11:45 ashimema     lol
11:46 marcelr      just sign off my patches tcohen :)
11:48 tcohen       which ones? :-D
11:48 marcelr      all
11:48 oleonard     I assume all of them
11:48 * tcohen     is lazy when it comes to searching on bugzilla today
11:49 tcohen       mtj: time to add Ubuntu 22.04 to the test suite
11:49 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U_Stable build #79: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U_Stable/79/
11:54 oleonard     Has anyone here looked at 30532?
12:19 mtj          hi tcohen, we have a master_22.04 https://jenkins.koha-community.org/view/master/job/Koha_Master_U22/
12:22 ashimema     bug 30532
12:22 huginn       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30532 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , guided_reports.pl has a problem
12:27 ashimema     hmm.. thats highlighted that the versions listed on the dashboard are rather outdated
12:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master build #1983: NOW UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/1983/
12:37 mtj          ashimema: np, ill send a u22 patch for the dash
12:37 ashimema     I'm working on it mtj
12:37 ashimema     🙂
12:38 mtj          merci
12:40 ashimema     we have U21 and U22 missing.. lol
12:40 ashimema     and D12
12:40 ashimema     oop.. D12 is there.
12:40 * ashimema   is blind today
12:41 marcelr      switch to qa ashimema :)
12:41 ashimema     lol
12:58 ashimema     dashboard done
13:00 ashimema     should we drop the MariaDB and MySQL8 latests from that block?
13:01 ashimema     or correct them to be under D11.. I think they're run under D11
13:01 ashimema     man we 'support' allot of configurations these days
13:23 marcelr      support until the corner
13:27 tcohen       oleonard++
13:39 tcohen       marcelr: you should finish QA on bug 28371
13:39 huginn       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28371 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Improve performance of XSLTParse4Display
13:39 marcelr      will do tcohen
13:44 tuxayo       Meeting in 15 min!
13:46 liliputech   hi koha :)
13:47 liliputech   tuxayo: merci pour ton signoff sur bz25408, ça faisait longtemps que je l'attendais!
13:49 tuxayo       liliputech: didn't I forgot it? «I made a follow-up patch to make sure things won't be changed on the staff interface. Can you retry the patch-set please?»
13:49 tuxayo       I though it was still waiting for me or someone else to test it again.
13:49 tuxayo       hi liliputech and fridolin  ^^
13:49 fridolin     yellow
13:50 fridolin     Meeting in 10 https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_20_April_2022
13:51 liliputech   oooh. just got connected on time, got lucky :)
13:53 liliputech   (i'll just grab a coffee, be right back)
13:53 tcohen       grabbing some coffee!
14:00 liliputech   ready
14:01 fridolin     me too
14:04 tuxayo       #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 20 April 2022
14:04 huginn       Meeting started Wed Apr 20 14:04:04 2022 UTC.  The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:04 huginn       Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:04 huginn       The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_20_april_2022'
14:04 tuxayo       #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_20_April_2022 Today's agenda
14:04 tuxayo       #topic Introductions
14:04 oleonard     #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
14:04 tuxayo       #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo sh.a., France
14:05 fridolin     #info Fridolin Somers, BibLibre, France (Tahiti)
14:05 AndrewFH     #info Andrew Fuerste-Henry, ByWater Solutions, USA
14:05 fridolin     we are acutally installing Koha to French Polynesia University :D
14:07 tuxayo       :D
14:07 kidclamp     #info Nick Clemens, ByWaterSolutions
14:07 tuxayo       #topic Announcements
14:08 oleonard     qa_team?
14:08 wahanui      i think qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova
14:08 tuxayo       Any announcement that doesn't fit in other agenda items?
14:08 tuxayo       rmaints?
14:08 wahanui      rmaints is khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo
14:08 tuxayo       thanks oleonard  :)
14:09 oleonard     Felt like too few introductions :(
14:09 fridolin     we may wait a few minutes
14:10 liliputech   #info Arthur Suzuki, BibLibre, France (Annecy)
14:10 fridolin     ah, smells like melted cheese ^^
14:10 tuxayo       ?
14:11 fridolin     French Alps "Fondue"
14:11 tuxayo       fridolin: did you brought back hackfest cheese to Tahiti?
14:11 fridolin     omg no
14:11 oleonard     Quick, run back
14:11 fridolin     its has been finished by Biblibre users ;)
14:11 fridolin     even the big Conté
14:12 oleonard     omg Annecy looks beautiful
14:12 tuxayo       *paddle back
14:12 tuxayo       #topic  Update from the Release manager (22.05)
14:12 tuxayo       « End of cycle dates fixed »
14:12 liliputech   even better when seen from the sky :) #paragliding
14:12 tuxayo       🤩
14:13 tuxayo       So the dates are in the calendar. What is "22.05 beta" ?
14:13 fridolin     ah let me look
14:14 fridolin     "Only bug fixes considered major, critical or blocker will be pushed"
14:14 fridolin     there was no short name for this event
14:14 fridolin     so feels like it is the béta test
14:15 nikkom       asimema: Hello asimema. If you remember, I was trying to block the payment if the user has overdue payments. You directed me to the payment pages. I need more help. Please tell me how can I get the overdue information while on pay.pl or paycollect.pl?
14:15 tuxayo       Ok, past cycle it was named "Only > major bugfixes"
14:15 fridolin     i mean i copies from previous cycle
14:15 liliputech   ashimema: ^
14:15 fridolin     ah can be renamed
14:15 oleonard     nikkom: We are having a meeting at the moment
14:16 thd          #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City (carrier interrupt)
14:16 tuxayo       «Waiting for bug 29155»
14:16 huginn       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29155 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Upgrade jquery version
14:16 tuxayo       fridolin: anything to add?
14:16 liliputech   yup, what about bug 25408 ?
14:16 huginn       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25408 normal, P5 - low, ---, arthur.suzuki, Signed Off , CanBookBeReserved & CanItemBeReserved should check "opacitemholds" policy
14:16 tcohen       #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
14:16 liliputech   it just got signed off by tuxayo (tx!)
14:17 tuxayo       liliputech: not a critical as a jquery update :P
14:17 liliputech   oh sure, not critical!
14:17 liliputech   (missed the "critical" information, sry)
14:17 tuxayo       «Find people for https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_22.11»
14:17 fridolin     no pb liliputech
14:18 fridolin     yep
14:18 fridolin     we have not yet RMaint for stable
14:18 fridolin     a difficult position
14:18 tuxayo       liliputech: It's the "Update from the Release manager" topic and I'm coping what Fridolin wrote in the agenda
14:18 tuxayo       ouch
14:18 fridolin     I will talk to Biblibre to find someone (not me)
14:19 oleonard     Oh I missed that tcohen volunteered (or was forcibly volunteered??) to be RM
14:19 oleonard     tcohen++
14:19 fridolin     yeyyyyy
14:19 fridolin     we talked about that underground in HF
14:19 fridolin     super we have RM of course
14:20 oleonard     I imagine Wainui will still maintain 19.11 unless Catalyst has dropped support
14:20 tuxayo       Not sure, we will see.
14:20 ashimema     oop
14:20 ashimema     hello
14:20 wahanui      hi, ashimema
14:20 tuxayo       Wainui is on leave for at least two week I think. Rangi took over rmaint this month.
14:21 fridolin     and if nobody takes 20.11 we drop support
14:21 fridolin     ashimema: may there be someone for RMaint in PTFS ?
14:21 fridolin     ... we have cookies ^^
14:22 liliputech   ashimema: and nettle cakes ;) people in annecy liked it btw ^^
14:23 fridolin     if it is still empty I will use ML next week
14:23 ashimema     #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe.
14:23 fridolin     before General meeting may 4th
14:23 ashimema     We're mid hiring people at the minute so can't commit more this coming cycle
14:23 fridolin     no pb
14:23 ashimema     hopefully 23.05 I might be able to get more community time again
14:24 fridolin     cool
14:24 lukeg        #info Lucas Gass, ByWater Solutions
14:24 fridolin     hi lukeg
14:24 fridolin     thanks for proposing RMaint 21.11
14:24 tuxayo       np if you can still do some QA that's already the best help. Good luck with your hire
14:24 * ashimema   only has one dev other than himself right now.. so we're a bit snowed under ;P
14:24 tuxayo       fridolin: anything else from you to add?
14:24 tcohen       lukeg++ # on the QA team
14:25 liliputech   fridolin: are we looking for rmaint 20.11 or 21.11?
14:25 fridolin     liliputech: for stable 22.05
14:25 fridolin     its mandatory
14:25 fridolin     lukeg: you did chose oldstable on purpose ? not willing to be stable ?
14:25 liliputech   ok. that one is not installed by biblibre to our partners right?
14:26 fridolin     indeed
14:26 ashimema     we're a .11 shop in ptfs-e these days.. so it's easier for me to commit people to .11 releases 😉
14:26 lukeg        fridolin: I would do either 22.05 or 21.11
14:26 tuxayo       Which is actually the hardest?
14:26 lukeg        whatever is needed
14:26 ashimema     there's more to port to 22.05, but the backports tend to be a little easier
14:26 fridolin     lukeg: ahhh super because stable it more work, i may take oldstable
14:26 tcohen       lukeg on 22.05, ptfs on 21.11
14:27 tuxayo       stable should be easy at the beginning since it's close to master
14:27 ashimema     though it kinda depends on your next RM and how bold they are at big changes early
14:27 tuxayo       But in the end of cycle it's harder
14:27 tcohen       <.<
14:27 fridolin     and you have to deal with dependancies a lot
14:28 tuxayo       > ptfs on 21.11
14:28 tuxayo       biblibre you mean tcohen ?
14:28 fridolin     but its a famous place, like Prince for the RM king :D
14:28 * ashimema   hopes so.. I hope to continue to focus on QA next cycle in what little time I'll have for community
14:29 fridolin     sure, RMaints needs mandatory time around month releases
14:29 liliputech   if i get dedicated time for this I wouldn't mind doing it but got to talk about it with paul / laurence first.
14:29 tuxayo       Ah ok so clearly, stable is more work that oldstable?
14:29 fridolin     liliputech: yep super, we will mail them with a proposition
14:30 fridolin     tuxayo: i'd say a bit more
14:30 liliputech   fridolin: how much time would it take? approx per week?
14:30 fridolin     around 1h / day
14:30 tuxayo       thank fridolin I note that
14:30 ashimema     liliputech, that would be awesome
14:30 tuxayo       Lot of patches to test
14:30 ashimema     and I could certainly support anyone who did take on an RMaint role
14:31 liliputech   fridolin: ok. ashimema : 21.11 is interesting version for me, working on a frontend. it bring a lot of new apis
14:31 liliputech   ashimema++
14:31 * ashimema   spent a little time every day on RMaint duties.. like I did an hour or two before our company morning call
14:31 liliputech   would have to learn everything. would take some time at the beginning.
14:31 lukeg        its best to do a little everyday and not let things stack up
14:31 ashimema     so 5 hours a week or so.. sometimes a little more sometimes a little less
14:31 ashimema     that's how I managed it anyways
14:32 liliputech   'kay. that mean apply/test/push patches to the main Koha repository on the proper branch right?
14:32 fridolin     OK lets wait new week to see if it changes
14:33 fridolin     liliputech: i will lead you to this role, its easy ;)
14:33 fridolin     lets continue
14:33 tuxayo       liliputech: most of the time is doing the test plan. And some is conflict resolution.
14:33 liliputech   ok
14:34 fridolin     it is well described https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance
14:34 tuxayo       great that we have good leads to fill our rmaint position :)
14:34 tuxayo       #topic  Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:35 tuxayo       oldstable has been quiet this month so for oldoldstable, I didn't have much to chew on.
14:35 tuxayo       rmaints?
14:35 wahanui      i think rmaints is khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo
14:36 AndrewFH     yeah, I haven't managed to make as much time for it as I should. hoping to find time for some catchup here shortly
14:36 tcohen       AndrewFH++
14:36 * ashimema   wants a time machine
14:38 tuxayo       AndrewFH: not complaining, I could QA instead :P But I'll monitor oldstable closely to not get behind.
14:38 * tcohen     wants a second monitor to keep QAing and following the meeting without completely switching desktops
14:38 AndrewFH     tuxayo++
14:39 tuxayo       #info Wainui is on leave for a month. It started two weeks ago i think. Rangi took over rmaint this month.
14:39 * ashimema   is QAing and watching meeting on the second monitor right now
14:39 tcohen       -.-
14:39 * ashimema   is finding QA slow though.. the meeting is interesting.
14:39 tuxayo       #topic Updates from the QA team
14:39 tuxayo       qa_team?
14:39 wahanui      qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova
14:40 tuxayo       speaking of qa!
14:40 marcelr      qa++
14:40 nugged       qa++! ❤️
14:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_U22 build #1: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 1 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_U22/1/
14:41 nugged       we took abroad +1 guy and discussing this week with piloting library to help with pre-release build testing for master branch as we did for 21.11 so same I will provide for Fridoling and Jonathan as before, we just will agree with another our library to help & test build and probably we will start that already from next week
14:42 tuxayo       The technique of beginning sorting tickets by small or trivial patches to get started without fearing getting stuck works great. Thank ashimema++ for the advice.
14:42 ashimema     pleasure
14:43 ashimema     nugged++
14:43 tcohen       nugged++
14:43 * ashimema   has not forgotten his promises from hackfest.. just been away and stuff here so haven't got to them yet
14:44 nugged       ashimemta tcohen: all other things (wikies + props on ill, erm, holdings, circrules: I am preparing, just drown with onboarding for that new guy)
14:44 tcohen       sounds familiar
14:44 ashimema     there's plenty more space on the QA team so sign up peeps: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_22.11
14:44 tuxayo       nugged++ and to your team also and the voluntary libraries. Doing that is very valuable to have better releases.
14:44 tuxayo       Joubu++ and fridolin++ also.
14:44 ashimema     getting people up to speed on QAing is something I am more than happy to devote time to.. just ask
14:44 * nugged     not forget so will bring all others to the articles once /me will create
14:45 ashimema     🙂
14:45 ashimema     I'd love to see some other companies represented on the QA team.. InLibro perhaps for example?
14:45 tcohen       qa++
14:45 fridolin     indeed
14:46 fridolin     they do great work in patching and testig
14:46 ashimema     indeed
14:46 ashimema     hmm.. though looking at the numbers.. I see the NSO queue is the bottle neck right now..
14:47 ashimema     325 reports in there!
14:48 tuxayo       everyone test patches!
14:48 nugged       I'll attract those my librarians for SO as we agreed on hackfest, I will have next thursday customers meeting, so I am ready to explain them that we wait some regular contribution, so let's check how MY (our) subpart for SO goes in 4-6 weeks
14:48 marcelr      lots of older ones
14:48 marcelr      probably PNA
14:49 * ashimema   really should fix the ptfs-e sandboxes
14:49 nugged       ... I mean - to see the numbers and trend in 4-6 weeks from us, from Finland
14:50 * oleonard   hoped there would be more signoffs coming from librarians at the Hackfest
14:50 ashimema     we tied up some of them with bug scary ones I'm afraid
14:51 ashimema     severine did an awesome job of the patron searching stuff
14:51 liliputech   oleonard: we managed to install a few koha-testing-docker on librarians PC but most of them use corporate-locked windows pcs
14:51 nugged       oleonard: hackfest - people spent there more experience exchange and socializing & coordinating & training each other, so it was anyway very good gathering
14:51 liliputech   severine_q++
14:51 ashimema     indeed
14:52 tuxayo       nugged: I can also guide librarians to do SO. You can give them my email or IRC nick so it's doesn't only rely only on your team.
14:52 oleonard     I'm certainly not accusing them of laziness! :)
14:53 nugged       tuxayo: 📝✔️
14:53 tuxayo       ^^
14:54 tuxayo       liliputech in the end koha-testing-docker directly on Windows didn't work well right?
14:54 ashimema     should we arrange another bug squashing day?
14:54 liliputech   some training might be needed though. also some patches need specific commands which are not possible to do on sandboxes
14:54 ashimema     try and encourage a group SO fest
14:54 liliputech   ashimema++
14:54 ashimema     magnuse used to be the king of arranging those
14:55 liliputech   I think there used to be a "bug squashing day" organized by kohala before, during their meetup. dunno if they still do it
14:55 tuxayo       liliputech: the symposium?
14:55 liliputech   yen
14:55 liliputech   yes
14:56 lukeg        ByWater has a Bug Squashing Event scheduled for May 3
14:56 tuxayo       That's perfect!
14:56 ashimema     aha, excellent
14:57 liliputech   information should be shared on the koha-devel newsletter :)
14:57 tuxayo       newsletter + mailing lists
14:57 liliputech   (might already...) also to koha-info user group :)
14:57 liliputech   yes
14:57 lukeg        https://bywatersolutions.com/education/celebrate-open-source-with-this-bug-squashing-event
14:57 tuxayo       Who can add that to the community calendar?
14:57 tcohen       bywater++
14:58 tcohen       that'd be wizzyrea ?
14:58 ashimema     I can
14:58 fridolin     tuxayo:  it is already in calendar
14:58 ashimema     oh yes.. so it is
14:58 tuxayo       I only see "Hard feature freeze"
14:58 tuxayo       Friday, May 6, 2022
14:59 ashimema     Bug Squashing Event
14:59 ashimema     Tuesday, 3 May⋅4:00 – 6:50pm
14:59 tuxayo       oh it's the 3 may!
14:59 tuxayo       great!
14:59 fridolin     bug squashing will likely be on bugs not features
14:59 ashimema     I'll start advertising it in the UK too 😉
15:00 tuxayo       hence the name "bug squashing" :P
15:00 fridolin     "May the tree be with you"
15:00 fridolin     XD
15:00 liliputech   pity it'll be on US timezone... (that makes the 4'th for french people? ^^)
15:00 tuxayo       nugged: you can mention the bug squashing event at you meeting next thursday.
15:01 reiveune     bye
15:01 tuxayo       liliputech: If some people to guide tester are available in europe hours, the bug squashing can start early.
15:01 nugged       tuxayo: ok yes noted
15:01 tuxayo       That doesn't change the date though?
15:02 ashimema     11am US = 4pm UK
15:02 liliputech   that would be cool. I'm sending a mail to french community already
15:02 ashimema     so not too terrible for us
15:02 * ashimema   would be happy to start early here
15:02 liliputech   same here then I guess.
15:03 tuxayo       same, we can be here early on with european librarians
15:03 tuxayo       moving on?
15:03 liliputech   that means if we do the afternoon on 3 may, we will be in sync with US afternoon, that's great :)
15:04 liliputech   I meant US morning
15:06 tuxayo       Yes, we can start on our morning in the afternoon have some overlap with the Americas.
15:06 tuxayo       #topic Actions from last meeting
15:06 tuxayo       « tuxayo send ideas to have an easier time with big changes to koha-devel to get more of them and document them »
15:06 tuxayo       done
15:06 tuxayo       « tuxayo add to terminology "use restriction, not debar/debarment" and notify koha-devel in case that wasn't a good idea. »
15:06 tuxayo       done
15:06 tuxayo       #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
15:06 ashimema     🙂
15:06 tuxayo       « Vote on using Vue3 for the new ERM module (as a proof of concept of the framework) https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2022-April/046998.html »
15:06 ashimema     +1
15:07 tuxayo       So Joubu needs a greenlight to continue the new ERM module using Vue3
15:07 ashimema     did you hear anything from batman nugged?
15:07 fridolin     I could not say, knowing to few on JS frameworks
15:07 tuxayo       same
15:08 ashimema     well.. tomas and I both think we should go for it.. and I think jajm seemed happy too
15:08 fridolin     but confident Joubu as choosen wisely
15:08 ashimema     oleonard and kidclamp both made positive noises as well in our call at hackgest
15:08 ashimema     so to me.. I think we should go for it.. pull the band aid off
15:08 fridolin     ah jajm is our JS ninja so green
15:08 oleonard     Agreed
15:09 tcohen       jajm wasn't that sure
15:09 tcohen       :_D
15:09 tuxayo       ashimema: «and I think jajm seemed happy too» That changed from the beginning, right?
15:09 ashimema     we've been circling around a JS framework for years.. I don't think we'll gain anything from delaying further personally
15:09 fridolin     even 51% sure is ok
15:09 tcohen       jajm: around?
15:09 tcohen       overall we agreed
15:09 ashimema     hmm, ok
15:09 ashimema     I can't remember details from jajm then
15:10 tcohen       he had concerns about the extra boilerplate with no obvious gain
15:10 tuxayo       yes
15:10 jajm         yes, exactly what tcohen just said ;)
15:10 ashimema     boilerplate compared to another framework..
15:10 tcohen       but the conversation circled around new technologies inviting new devs to contribute
15:10 tuxayo       a jajm apears :D
15:10 ashimema     or compared to jQuery and our current way of doing things?
15:10 tcohen       and we had paulderscheid[m] working on his project with a similar structure
15:11 nugged       ashimema: he somewhat away from messengers these days, still not read my message. I wasn't insistent - and this went away from focus, I will re-send email him, but we found the answer those days - it's just to know, not to switch, vue3 is came through these years a lot and svelte  still "so small" in community so moving harder
15:11 nugged       but I will anyway bring his answer, thanks for reminder.
15:11 tcohen       I vote +1 for adopting Vue3 as a POC, not sure about jajm's vote
15:12 ashimema     +1
15:13 tuxayo       jajm: overall, does that looks like a gain compared to the current approach?
15:15 tuxayo       > adopting Vue3 as a POC
15:15 tuxayo       POC but still means going in Koha and be released. POC as it's only for ERM and we will see the results to tell if future developments can use Vue?
15:16 tuxayo       We can still vote here and ask also in the mailing list to have a wider reach.
15:17 tcohen       Encapsulated module inside Koha, that will be funcional and will serve as playground and we will eventually generate guidelines for using it on other pages
15:17 liliputech   +1 for the POC, but when it comes to move Koha as a whole that's going to be a lot of work. might introduce breaking change in graphic personnalisation or some plugins which relies on JS+DOM to insert new element on a page.
15:17 thd          I assume that replacing every use of jQuery with vue.js is not intended at least not at this time.
15:18 tcohen       thd: it is not
15:18 tuxayo       #startvote Shall Vue3 be used for the new ERM module? Yes, No, Abstain.
15:18 huginn       Begin voting on: Shall Vue3 be used for the new ERM module? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain, .
15:18 huginn       Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
15:19 oleonard     #vote Yes
15:19 liliputech   #vote Yes
15:19 thd          #vote Yes
15:19 ashimema     #vote Yes
15:19 tcohen       #vote Yes
15:19 nugged       #vote Yes
15:20 jajm         #vote Abstain
15:20 tuxayo       #vote Abstain
15:20 tuxayo       I trust our JS gurus. I didn't review the code and done research so I can't say I can choose.
15:20 tuxayo       But I'm confident it will okay :)
15:20 ashimema     🙂
15:21 tuxayo       fridolin: ?
15:21 tcohen       khall_: it is being voted if we use Vue3 for the ERM module in Koha
15:21 tuxayo       marcelr?
15:21 wahanui      marcelr is just amazed that next is faster than count
15:21 tuxayo       lol
15:21 fridolin     #vote Yes
15:22 tuxayo       AndrewFH?
15:22 tcohen       kidclamp:
15:22 tuxayo       lukeg?
15:22 wahanui      lukeg is around now :)
15:22 tcohen       Joubu?
15:22 wahanui      well, Joubu is starting to brew again
15:22 AndrewFH     #vote Yes
15:22 lukeg        #vote Abstain
15:22 kidclamp     #vote Yes
15:23 tuxayo       > Joubu is starting to brew again
15:23 tuxayo       And the result was successful at the hackfest.
15:23 liliputech   indeed
15:23 fridolin     ^^
15:23 tcohen       specially the sour, tuxayo
15:23 tuxayo       letting 1min in case someone else comes up.
15:23 fridolin     very nice sour beer
15:24 oleonard     I don't think any stragglers will overwhelm the yes votes ;)
15:24 khall_       #vote Yes
15:25 tuxayo       #endvote
15:25 huginn       Voted on "Shall Vue3 be used for the new ERM module?" Results are
15:25 huginn       Yes (10): liliputech, oleonard, ashimema, khall_, kidclamp, fridolin, tcohen, nugged, thd, AndrewFH
15:25 huginn       Abstain (3): tuxayo, jajm, lukeg
15:25 nugged       (oh, I forgot to register myself :P ):
15:25 nugged       #info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI
15:25 tuxayo       Can anyone also reach koha-devel about this?
15:27 liliputech   I think my favourite was the pepporter one :)
15:27 tuxayo       #action tuxayo ask confirmation from koha-devel about using Vue3 for the new ERM module.
15:28 tuxayo       Next topic
15:28 tcohen       gotta feed the kids... bbl
15:28 tcohen       koha++
15:28 tuxayo       « Make the IRC less noisy and more newcomer friendly my moving some bots outputs to another channel (#koha-logs/#koha-technical/#koha-bots) »
15:28 tcohen       tuxayo++
15:28 tcohen       fridolin++
15:28 ashimema     good plan
15:28 * ashimema   should join the other channel
15:29 tuxayo       - koha-jenkins: continuous integration failures or success
15:29 tuxayo       - huginn (keep part of output in main channel because they have multiple roles): new commits pushed to main/master branch
15:29 tuxayo       - alohabot: package builds
15:29 liliputech   more humans / less bots
15:29 * liliputech should join more often
15:29 ashimema     we should also update the irc page on koha-community to give instructions on how to use matrix/element as you suggested at hackfest tuxayo
15:29 tuxayo       So no issues with that?
15:29 tuxayo       Then are there more bot output to move that the above 3?
15:30 tuxayo       Any idea how to name the new channel? Ideas are #koha-logs/#koha-technical/#koha-bots
15:30 fridolin     tuxayo: koha-dev ?
15:30 fridolin     like ML
15:31 oleonard     Confusing
15:31 tuxayo       Yes
15:31 fridolin     too obvious maybe
15:31 tuxayo       Actual dev talk will still be here
15:31 liliputech   i find it clear. that makes not too much names to recall
15:31 liliputech   koha-bots is nice.
15:31 domm         there is a matrix channel?
15:32 tuxayo       nugged: what was you preference again?
15:32 tuxayo       *your
15:32 fridolin     koha-bots sounds good
15:32 liliputech   people willing to check the bots message would go there, and dev talks + actual humans would sstay here
15:32 fridolin     i'm ok with that
15:32 liliputech   koha-bots++
15:32 ashimema     +1
15:32 fridolin     koha-AI ^^
15:33 fridolin     bots talking to bots
15:33 oleonard     +1 for koha-bots
15:33 tuxayo       ashimema: «give instructions on how to use matrix/element» Indeed, in addition to the web IRC chat we could add that and the future Telegram bridge that nugged mentioned.
15:33 tuxayo       domm: #koha-irc:matrix.org
15:33 nugged       tuxayo: first and main goal was to remove any automated messages form our discussion channel, "koha_bots", or alike
15:34 liliputech   nop >< bots are no AI :) telegram or mattermost are easy to make with matterbridge
15:34 nugged       *move to "koha_bots", I mean
15:34 ashimema     agreed
15:34 ashimema     hmm
15:34 ashimema     I like some bots
15:34 tuxayo       koha bots seems to have the preference. Hyphen or underscore? I don't know the IRC conventions.
15:34 ashimema     I'd miss the bz links for example
15:35 ashimema     i hope we're not going to lose that
15:35 nugged       <liliputech> idea was to clean up our atuomatons posting here messing with our talks into separate channel
15:35 tuxayo       ashimema: yes we would keep huginn and wahanui
15:35 oleonard     huginn and wahanui get special ID cards that let them into the restricted area
15:35 huginn       oleonard: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
15:35 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn.
15:35 ashimema     yes
15:35 ashimema     good
15:35 tuxayo       But need to find a way for huginn to not output each new master commit here
15:35 nugged       yes, helper bots is ok, for people communications, but all build messages, all whatever-related - to the separate channel
15:36 tuxayo       +1
15:36 thd          wahanui++
15:36 fridolin     wahanui: coffee please
15:36 wahanui      fridolin: no idea
15:36 tuxayo       lol
15:36 fridolin     tea then
15:36 liliputech   +1
15:37 tuxayo       #startvote Which channel name? koha_bots, koha-bots, something else
15:37 huginn       Begin voting on: Which channel name? Valid vote options are koha_bots, koha-bots, something, else.
15:37 huginn       Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
15:37 liliputech   #vote koha-bots
15:37 tuxayo       #endvote
15:38 ashimema     #vote koha-bots
15:38 tuxayo       #startvote Which channel name? koha_bots, koha-bots, something_else
15:38 huginn       Already voting on 'Which channel name'
15:38 tuxayo       #endvote
15:38 huginn       Voted on "Which channel name?" Results are
15:38 huginn       koha-bots (2): ashimema, liliputech
15:38 nugged       <tuxayo> (Hyphen or underscore? I don't know the IRC conventions) - so any hint about convestions or I missed the thread/reply?
15:38 tuxayo       #startvote Which channel name? koha_bots, koha-bots, something_else
15:38 huginn       Begin voting on: Which channel name? Valid vote options are koha_bots, koha-bots, something_else.
15:38 huginn       Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
15:38 liliputech   #vote koha-bots
15:38 oleonard     #vote koha-bots
15:38 ashimema     #vote koha-bots
15:38 fridolin     #vote koha-bots
15:38 thd          #vote koha-bots
15:38 nugged       how can I now say koha_bots? :)
15:38 nugged       #vote koha-bots
15:38 oleonard     koha-🤖?
15:39 tuxayo       nugged: «so any hint about convestions or I missed the thread/reply?» I launched the vote to have this question sorted out ^^
15:39 liliputech   oleonard: you silly >< that will be hard to join ;)
15:39 tuxayo       #endvote
15:39 huginn       Voted on "Which channel name?" Results are
15:39 huginn       koha-bots (6): liliputech, oleonard, ashimema, fridolin, nugged, thd
15:40 tuxayo       Also OFTC right?
15:40 ashimema     yeah, I reckon so
15:40 tuxayo       At the hackfest it was mentioned to do that in Libera.chat
15:40 tuxayo       But I didn't get it
15:41 tuxayo       cc nugged
15:41 liliputech   that would be easier to have both chats on the same server
15:41 tuxayo       #agreed Move the bots output mentioned in the agenda to #koha-bots
15:41 ashimema     we actually have a #koha channel reserved in libera.chat
15:41 tuxayo       good
15:41 nugged       yes, some talks (not my origin) was that to use another server I don't get clear point why (fresher, beter, faster?)
15:41 ashimema     in case oftc ever dissapears
15:42 liliputech   nugged: harder better faster stronger ;)
15:42 nugged       daft
15:42 liliputech   ^^
15:42 liliputech   if u like daft, try yellow magic orchestra, japanese precursor
15:42 tuxayo       Ok so OFTC unless we find a concrete reason.
15:42 nugged       .. and we speaking about bots so daftpunk just in ontopic here right :)
15:42 tuxayo       Any other dev discussion?
15:43 liliputech   Haha ^^
15:43 nugged       ... also discussion was to have separate more-techy channel for current release manager team, i.e. all who hels and communicates with release menager to have one channel and all discussion about quick tests and so on (as well from my libraries piloting pre-release master build)
15:44 tuxayo       Ah yes, because this cycle you will be 3 people to coordinate so you need a channel
15:44 tuxayo       (You, Frido, Jonathan)
15:44 ashimema     we have a rmains channel I think already
15:44 ashimema     we used to
15:44 tuxayo       Ah yes
15:44 ashimema     maybe it went bye bye
15:44 tuxayo       #_oftc_#rmchat:matrix.org
15:44 ashimema     that's the one
15:45 nugged       ... and to have +1 more channel for less-techy talks to especially attract librarians to come for help and see less noise from deep tech talks from joubu and ashimema (and others, glob(*) you are) - some chan like #koha-userhelp
15:45 liliputech   it still exist :)
15:45 oleonard     This channel is quiet 95% of the time these days
15:46 nugged       the idea to especially make comfortable place for humans and human quesitons about usage, to be more brave asking "noob" questions, alike. And have web interface promoted for that channel as well other easy-to-join bridges
15:46 ashimema     that's a nice idea
15:46 nugged       > This channel is quiet 95% of the time these days
15:46 nugged       oleonard: indeed, but if you come to read history and be just librarian you'll be scared. But yes, we can let this opinion ripe for a moments later,
15:47 ashimema     I think that might best be done once we've made it easier for the general public to use.. I still hear complaints about irc even though I personally think it works ok
15:47 tuxayo       ashimema: complains even with the webchat?
15:47 * ashimema   hopes oleonard likes that he just filled his inbox
15:47 ashimema     pass
15:47 ashimema     the webchat feels very dated too
15:48 oleonard     ashimema: 👍🏻
15:48 ashimema     I think people are just expecting slack, whatsapp, disourse or whatever
15:48 ashimema     telegram bridging will help with that
15:48 liliputech   signal?++
15:48 nugged       oleonard: sometimes name of channel "allows" people to be more brave when they noobs, + same topic of channel with some hint "don't afraid ask dumb, we won't freak" and also previous history they will see
15:48 tuxayo       Ah yes
15:49 liliputech   let's setup a bbs like in the goldays (good old days?)
15:49 nugged       > telegram bridging will help with that
15:49 nugged       let me anyway bring POC of this as I said on hackathon, so we will see, I just will ask 1 month (around) please, /me drowning :) but badly want to make that
15:49 tuxayo       > the webchat feels very dated too
15:49 tuxayo       The one used by libera.chat is great.
15:50 ashimema     interesting
15:50 fridolin     keep it simple, and free
15:50 fridolin     and opensource i mean
15:50 ashimema     indeed
15:51 thd          People are always expecting whatever is most familiar and not whatever is most helpful or good for freedom.
15:51 nugged       my proposal:
15:51 nugged       - bots to be separated.
15:51 nugged       - rmaint channel we have, I'll call frido and joubu and others to join or others calls me, when needed and time comes
15:51 nugged       - let us our feeling about more channels like "koha-userhelp" ripe for some time
15:51 nugged       - I'll bring telegram bridge like we did for Perl community (YAPC conferences) so let's see this too + we bring more other tools (matrix, etc) - so let's arise this quesiton one again in a month or around
15:53 tuxayo       If people want to use Telegram we could let them have a bridge. We could still have a modern libre/open source choose promoted first on the website. Like a better IRC webchat and Element/Matrix.
15:54 tuxayo       nugged: okay let's got with this :)
15:54 tuxayo       > rmaint channel we have
15:54 tuxayo       "rmchat" actually
15:54 nugged       rmchat, thanks, sorry. ok
15:54 tuxayo       So let that sink for some time and move one?
15:54 tuxayo       *on
15:55 nugged       +1
15:55 ashimema     kiwiirc is indeed pretty and modern looking.. that would be a nice replacement for our web chat
15:55 ashimema     anyhow
15:55 ashimema     moving on
15:56 ashimema     I like all nugged suggestions
15:56 tuxayo       #topic Set time of next meeting
15:56 tuxayo       Shall we aim for NZ, Tahiti and Americas for next meeting?
15:57 tuxayo       (can't do Australia, current DST it can't reach South America east)
15:58 fridolin     good for me
15:58 tuxayo       Last time it was great to have some people from NZ and fridolin can't every time come in the middle of night.
15:59 fridolin     was it 22:00 UTC ?
15:59 tuxayo       It would be the 11th due to general meeting
15:59 liliputech   ok for me as well
16:00 fridolin     https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_6_April_2022
16:00 tuxayo       21 actually
16:00 tuxayo       This time we make it 9:00 am for NZ
16:01 tuxayo       Wait
16:01 tuxayo       21 UTC
16:01 tuxayo       I though it was about french mainland time but it 21 UTC
16:02 tuxayo       11 May 2022, 21 UTC
16:02 fridolin     11am for me
16:02 tuxayo       thanks for the double check
16:02 liliputech   22h for french is that right?
16:02 tuxayo       23
16:02 liliputech   ouche. ok
16:03 tuxayo       It should still be Wednesday I think. But not for NZ, no issues I think
16:03 nugged       tuxayo: google shows 23 it's for EET / Finland (us)
16:04 nugged       (DST/noDST because, winter time it will be 3 hours from UTC for us now we have two)
16:04 tuxayo       Thanks for the check. I have a hard time getting my mind right about these time calculation
16:04 tuxayo       #info Next meeting: 11 May 2022, 21 UTC
16:04 ashimema     fridolin, when you come to work through the jQuery UI tree.. push bug 30466 fairly early.. some of them are not direct depends on it.. but it does make them all look better 😉
16:04 huginn       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30466 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Convert serials pages tabs to Bootstrap
16:04 ashimema     i.e. this tree: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=29226
16:05 tuxayo       #endmeeting
16:05 huginn       Meeting ended Wed Apr 20 16:05:09 2022 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
16:05 huginn       Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_20_april_2022.2022-04-20-14.04.html
16:05 huginn       Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_20_april_2022.2022-04-20-14.04.txt
16:05 huginn       Log:            https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_20_april_2022.2022-04-20-14.04.log.html
16:05 lukeg        yes! ashimema++
16:05 tuxayo       thanks all for you attendance, that was a long one ^^
16:05 oleonard     tuxayo++
16:05 oleonard     Thanks for charing
16:05 oleonard     Charring?
16:05 ashimema     tuxayo++
16:05 oleonard     Chairing!
16:05 ashimema     hehe
16:05 fridolin     tuxayo: +++
16:06 liliputech   thanks for chatting+decision making everyone :)
16:06 liliputech   +tuxayo for chairing of course
16:06 fridolin     ashimema: oki dok
16:06 ashimema     🙂
16:06 liliputech   bonne soirée :)
16:09 oleonard     ashimema++
16:09 oleonard     thanks for all the testing
16:10 ashimema     luceg and tcohen got me started 😉
16:10 ashimema     lukeg even
16:14 ashimema     wow.. mind blown
16:14 ashimema     I didn't know before you could drag and drop the subfield tags in the tabs
16:15 nugged       Cheering 🤗
16:20 tuxayo       nikkom: still there? Meeting is over :)
16:23 * wizzyrea   looks around... hi
16:24 oleonard     Hi wizzyrea!
16:26 tuxayo       wizzyrea: hi :)
16:26 tuxayo       IIUC you work at ByWater now, on which continent are you though?
16:33 oleonard     I don't understand serial collections
16:34 oleonard     As far as I can tell there are some circumstances under which a "serial collection" tab appears on the OPAC bibliographic detail page
16:34 oleonard     But I don't know what those circumstances are.
16:45 ashimema     wizzyrea.. any idea how we update the history page on koha-community.org?
16:48 wizzyrea     there used to be a job that pulled from git
16:48 wizzyrea     wonder if that broke when the git repo moved
16:48 ashimema     aha.. cool
16:50 wizzyrea     fatal: unable to connect to git.koha-community.org:
16:50 wizzyrea     git.koha-community.org[0: 3.23.183.225]: errno=Connection refused
16:50 wizzyrea     seems so
16:51 ashimema     hmm..
16:51 ashimema     it should still be public accessible.. maybe the link changed slightly though.. I can't remember
16:51 ashimema     https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha
16:51 wizzyrea     that's it
16:52 wizzyrea     it's at least thinking about it now
16:53 wizzyrea     yep it's doing a big fetch heh
16:53 ashimema     😄
16:53 ashimema     thanks
16:53 ashimema     that'll keep my boss happy..
16:53 wizzyrea     this bit won't fix it but
16:53 wizzyrea     the next bit will :)
16:53 ashimema     prospects like to look at that page to see activity.. I tell them to look at the about page on our demo.. but it's nice to have it proper public too 🙂
16:54 ashimema     thanks wizzyrea
17:37 wizzyrea     ashimema: it's up to 2021 now
17:40 ashimema     awesome, thanks wizzyrea
17:46 ashimema     @later tell fridolin follow-up on bug 29602 ready to fix one of the failing unit tests
17:46 huginn       ashimema: The operation succeeded.
18:05 tuxayo       Cool that there is interest in the history page ^^
18:21 tuxayo       oleonard: did you test bug 25408 ?
18:21 huginn       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25408 normal, P5 - low, ---, arthur.suzuki, Signed Off , CanBookBeReserved & CanItemBeReserved should check "opacitemholds" policy
18:22 tuxayo       You switched it to Signed Off. But only my SO line is added. And I tested the patch a long time ago before changes that invalided it.
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30237: DBRev 21.12.00.034 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3fdcc4cde3c34875e95ff069a8e61aae33e293d2>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 27631: (RM follow-up) Fix missing h1 to div <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=05ba079814facb569feb9327992a1dc441753754>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 27631: Compiled CSS <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=53d785c7e6bfda50761b632f9647193f46d6b7df>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30237: (QA follow-up) Spelling <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=33fb5d70a5da4470522eda00c685de11150a7671>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30544: Add font awesome version to licenses page <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=833c9efee0c0e01a0223318b578efa77272ed958>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30237: (follow-up) Make LibraryName conditional <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ab1dcef952b8cb0501b00096e13961dcb4eee7f>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30237: Add a note about WELCOME notice to system preference <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=40b9d9e668bfc77ddcd7d022f949eb2957ada083>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30237: (follow-up) Add french sample notice <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=830f43d6c2f25b6acd108b4ce1757f7f42f68fab>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30237: (follow-up) Update Notice <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=71b1caccb96ccbbf1c1df69ccf94562295077771>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 26370: (QA follow-up) Rename option never_demagnitize to inhouse_patron_categories <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=017bce3d7708c86bbf57057345eb60164926398c>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 26370: (QA follow-up) Add new option to templates <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7170874a9b7b3165461daa9d81fcfaf70bcc6485>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 9097: Add option to manually send welcome email <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=30f598cebef0f37b58b2daf592a608ff717391d0>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30237: Replace AutoEmailOpacUser with AutoEmailNewUser <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d5e974f8fe5a72abc0cb59f6b954a431f9541f9>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30237: Replace ACCDETAILS notice with WELCOME notice <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2609adc1bd13a3e4a39da1d639c55b2c1bffa4ac>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 30237: Reference new WELCOME notice <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4da023bae60098aa518203b0d79a2d8420e215d>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 29005: Unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8eb24ccf102779d01671f09988a02065ac117d0d>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 29005: Add support for the command line script <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1bf5adf83714e03dc635a9317726b5f77a60fea5>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 29420: HTTP status code incorrect when calling error pages directly under Plack... <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=437e5844077cfd7d315f6ef2f6657d5da619925d>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 29005: Add option to send welcome email from patron imports <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6e2c6fb6002538204a9f1f39d07a2257f74fef4>
19:09 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 26370: Add ability to disable demagnetizing items via SIP2 for arbitrary patron... <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cead727b4fe00d1982ae16689606fcbf3569348>
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21:15 oleonard     tuxayo: I didn't test Bug 25408, I just saw the signoff lines and assumed it should be marked as such
21:15 huginn       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25408 normal, P5 - low, ---, arthur.suzuki, Signed Off , CanBookBeReserved & CanItemBeReserved should check "opacitemholds" policy
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21:20 tuxayo       oleonard: I signed it off an later problems were found.
21:20 oleonard     So "Failed QA?"
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22:06 tuxayo       oleonard: need signoff, there were changes after the issues were found and the patch is waiting for me or someone else to retest the plan and the previous issues.
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