Time  Nick        Message
23:42 dcook_      Oh some awake people...
23:26 tuxayo      good night :)
23:20 nugged      g'night ;)
23:20 nugged      once I'll come especially, not summoned by too to Oceania hours ;).
23:16 tuxayo      Sorry that it's been a long time we didn't try again Oceania compatible hours
23:13 tuxayo      ^^
23:13 aleisha     glad we could finally make it to a meeting!
23:12 nugged      💪🤗👍
23:12 tuxayo      Good to have people from NZ. So it confirms it's useful to have meeting in NZ's workhours.
23:11 aleisha     thanks tuxayo
23:10 tuxayo      thanks all for attending.
23:10 fridolin    have a good day/night
23:10 huginn      Log:            https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_6_april_2022.2022-04-06-22.01.log.html
23:10 huginn      Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_6_april_2022.2022-04-06-22.01.txt
23:10 huginn      Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_6_april_2022.2022-04-06-22.01.html
23:10 huginn      Meeting ended Wed Apr  6 23:10:27 2022 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
23:10 tuxayo      #endmeeting
23:10 tuxayo      #info Next meeting: 20 April 2022, 14 UTC
23:09 tuxayo      LOL
23:09 wahanui     fridolin is RM for 22.05
23:09 tuxayo      ok fridolin
23:09 nugged      *for
23:09 nugged      but fir France we are just 1 hour ahead
23:09 fridolin    i mean stable releases
23:09 tuxayo      The release is in may right?
23:09 nugged      ... now I meat 2am ;)
23:08 fridolin    just before release, great
23:08 tuxayo      And 20 april
23:08 tuxayo      I double check, ok for 14 UTC
23:07 tuxayo      nugged: I though it was the same time as france, I need to add Finland to my command with zdump to display a lot of timezones ^^
23:07 tuxayo      LOL
23:07 aleisha     ohhh kidding tuxayo do whatever is usual
23:07 nugged      you just summoned me by nick from my WC night trip ;))))
23:06 nugged      it's 2am here in Helsinki v;)
23:05 tuxayo      aleisha: it's 14 UTC to alternate and aim for work hours for europe and the americas. So for NZ 14UTC should be in the middle of the night ^^"
23:05 fridolin    ^^
23:05 fridolin    equal, but dont worry
23:05 aleisha     surely not much is terrible from Tahiti :)
23:04 tuxayo      fridolin: if you can attend from Tahiti, which one will be less terrible?
23:04 fridolin    ok
23:03 aleisha     14:00 would be great too
23:03 tuxayo      Or 14:00 to compensate for daylight saving time?
23:03 aleisha     today's time was great for us
23:03 fridolin    ok ?
23:03 fridolin    at 15:00 UTC as usuall
23:02 tuxayo      #topic Set time of next meeting
23:02 tuxayo      #action tuxayo add to terminology "use restriction, not debar/debarment" and notify koha-devel in case that wasn't a good idea.
23:00 aleisha     i don't think it's needed but up to you!
22:59 tuxayo      Should I also ask in koha-devel to be sure?
22:59 aleisha     nope
22:59 tuxayo      Any objection on setting that in stone?
22:57 tuxayo      *an unofficial
22:57 tuxayo      Looks like in the past is was made and unofficial terminology change.
22:57 fridolin    indeed
22:56 tuxayo      It doesn't seem to be in the strings
22:55 tuxayo      Is debarment still used in the UI?
22:54 huginn      Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5268 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, nengard, CLOSED FIXED, Language Issue: Debarred
22:54 tuxayo      «Terminology: use restriction, not debar/debarment, see Bug 5268 »
22:54 tuxayo      #topic Review of coding guidelines
22:54 tuxayo      Moving on to next topic
22:54 nugged      o/ tuxayo
22:53 tuxayo      hi nugged :)
22:53 nugged      oh... Nighty night )))
22:53 tuxayo      Any other general discussion?
22:53 tuxayo      So we can build on experience
22:52 tuxayo      #action tuxayo send ideas to have an easier time with big changes to koha-devel to get more of them and document them
22:50 aleisha     thats it frome me
22:50 tuxayo      any other guideline that could help?
22:50 tuxayo      see ya cait
22:50 aleisha     night cait
22:50 aleisha     good idea tuxayo
22:49 tuxayo      And note somewhere all the potential follow ups idea so that they don't get lost and it easier to move on knowing they are somewhere?
22:49 cait        I have to duck out too - have a great day nz and good night!
22:48 cait        yeah, that makes sense
22:48 aleisha     yes i think that's it tuxayo
22:48 cait        so not something we can solve easily, just something to continously work on
22:47 tuxayo      So we could ask to focus discussions on concrete actions for the dev to reach an acceptable MVP?
22:47 cait        I guess it's always some way of finding the middle ground?
22:46 aleisha     i was just meaning that sometimes too much discussion blocks development
22:46 fridolin    _o/
22:46 tuxayo      Nice to have seen you rangi o/
22:46 rangi[m]    i have to duck out for an in real life meeting, nice to see you all!
22:45 aleisha     sure!
22:45 cait        can you rephrase a little maybe?
22:44 cait        blame the time
22:44 cait        same
22:44 tuxayo      I don't get it
22:44 aleisha     i would add to that, when bringing different expectations, make suggestions for the developer
22:43 tuxayo      - anything else to try to do in the future?
22:43 tuxayo      - bring the development as a topic in meetings and QA team discussion to focus on it (it seems to have helped)
22:43 tuxayo      - resist scope creep to ask only for necessary changes for inclusion
22:43 tuxayo      These kind of developments seem inherently deemed to be a mess to manage but we can certainly mitigate the thing.
22:43 cait        yes :) just a lot of building sites it sometimes feels like!
22:42 cait        we tried to get groups together for certain projects to put more focus on things, but it didn't quit ework out yet
22:42 fridolin    it is great to see the product is alive
22:42 cait        we have alot of projects going on
22:40 aleisha     i think the issue is partly scope creep, partly the community being busy with other priorities
22:39 aleisha     they all have the ability to configure those things that make the way they use recalls different but it would be nice if upstream could be the base we branch off from
22:38 fridolin    but now in 20.11 there all use the one proposed in Bugzilla
22:38 tuxayo      So you submit an MVP and then it gets scope creeped (and also needs rightfull changes to be able to be generalized) while your customer's version gets scope creeped too in a diverging way. Is that something like that?
22:38 fridolin    same here 3 versions of bundle of items ^^
22:38 aleisha     because youre right, solutions differ between libraries
22:38 cait        ouch
22:38 aleisha     ive been maintaining different versions of recalls for 3 different libraries :)
22:38 cait        I don't have a solution for it
22:37 cait        the idea of QA is to get eyes on things... librarian eyes too
22:37 cait        something htat is developed specifically for one library, might not be the best of doing things
22:37 cait        sometimes the solution is not easy
22:36 fridolin    we have the same pb for bundle of items, your libraries use it already
22:36 aleisha     tuxayo: that's exactly what happened - developing for clients while the upstream version was blocked by scope creep and differing expectations. extracting part of a dev is really hard and messy
22:35 cait        or the work on attempting to merge tables
22:35 tuxayo      Also the thing is that internally you have to develop the whole thing for your clients. In the case the MVP doesn't get merged quickly you end up with having the have a minimal version and a larger version for your customers. is that an actual issue or extracting part of a dev to submit it in various ticket (and handling the change feedback) is not that bad?
22:35 tuxayo      > could've created additional bug reports for the follow-ups
22:34 cait        marc holding records comes to mind
22:34 cait        we have other big patches still stuck
22:34 fridolin    ^^
22:34 aleisha     yes thanks marcel, it was good to not be the only person getting stuck in recalls land
22:33 cait        we tried to organize something similar for Recalls - but it was hard to find time. I am really glad marcelr++ took it on
22:32 cait        people sitting together working through it
22:32 cait        i think that's waht helped with patron search
22:32 aleisha     exactly cait
22:32 cait        which then scope creeps... I am not sue what can be done, breaking into smaller bits would make it easier to get the base in for sure, but that means we need to ensure it's not sitting for too long iwth a bigger tree to work through
22:31 fridolin    mmm some dev like patrons search via API are a large graph of bugs, it worked
22:31 cait        I think tht was a part of it, managing different expectations
22:31 aleisha     tuxayo: people had different ideas of how recalls should look and couldnt agree, so the feature got blocked
22:31 tuxayo      yes, that would be a mess
22:30 aleisha     i also could've created additional bug reports for the follow-ups, but it wouldve been too hard to rebase many separate bug reports
22:30 tuxayo      *was already warning
22:30 tuxayo      How did that happen? The first ticket message what already warning against scope creep.
22:30 aleisha     it was a much smaller patchset years ago when i started, but it was being developed for the company that sponsored it
22:30 rangi[m]    i think thats the main one, get in the MVP (as they say in the agile world) (minimum viable product) then add to it
22:29 aleisha     less scope creep :)
22:29 tuxayo      *all people that followed the recalls ticket
22:28 tuxayo      It's the right meeting to see what can be learned from the recall submission. aleisha and all that followed recalls, what do you think could be done by submitters of larger patchsets such as this one and the rest of the community to make it easier?
22:27 tuxayo      I did an attempt to run cypress via koha-testing-docker but didn't get far. I was trying to use the existing docker image for cypress&browsers the wrong way it seems. I have to ask stuff in Cypress's chat or forum about how to do it right
22:26 fridolin    the beta is OK
22:26 fridolin    Jammy is my actual OS :D
22:26 fridolin    thats why we droppped Ubuntu 16.04 Xenial
22:26 tuxayo      great!
22:25 fridolin    We start building CI for Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy
22:24 rangi[m]    oh that is good news!
22:24 tuxayo      I was able to make Joubu's test on ERM run easily on my machine.
22:24 fridolin    this needed ugrading some libs
22:23 huginn      Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30063 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Pushed to master , Make the main patron search use the /patrons REST API route
22:23 fridolin    In case you missed it : Great dev has been pushed Bug 30063
22:22 rangi[m]    ah yep
22:22 tuxayo      experience as it how it felt. Not about existing knowledge
22:22 tuxayo      Joubu experience in writing the tests what better than with Selenium.
22:21 rangi[m]    cool
22:21 rangi[m]    oh i would be interested in that
22:21 tuxayo      Cypress
22:21 fridolin    at hackfest we have seen use of a replacement for Selenium
22:20 rangi[m]    nothing from me here too :)
22:19 tuxayo      #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
22:19 fridolin    all good
22:19 huginn      Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14708 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED FIXED, The patron set as the anonymous patron should not be deletable
22:19 tuxayo      «     2 above actions are obsolete, there is already a test from Bug 14708: Skip AnonymousPatron in GetBorrowersToExpunge »
22:19 tuxayo      « fridolin create bug report for skipping AnonymousPatron from delete_patrons.pl »
22:19 tuxayo      *»
22:19 tuxayo      « fridolin checking the GUI tool for alter on AnonymousPatron x
22:19 tuxayo      #topic Actions from last meeting
22:18 cait        yes please
22:18 tuxayo      moving on?
22:18 tuxayo      ok :)
22:17 aleisha     tuxayo: feel free to add me to cc list for any recalls bugs
22:17 fridolin    yep priority to bugfixes
22:17 tuxayo      I still have a lot to review on recalls but I already have some notes to open potential followups. Maybe some DB indexes are needed for example.
22:17 cait        lots of bugs waiting in there too, according to dashboard
22:17 fridolin    same for me
22:16 aleisha     cool! can looking into doing more testing
22:16 cait        and... QA team: do QA!
22:16 cait        it's at almost 300 - so getting sign-offs up again would probably be good
22:15 cait        still a lot to do and bottleneck is currenlty maybe in NSO
22:15 cait        I am happy that we have mostly caught up on the older bugs waiting in the queue now
22:15 wahanui     i think qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova
22:15 tuxayo      qa_team?
22:15 tuxayo      #topic Updates from the QA team
22:14 tuxayo      So much happened during Hackfest, I forgot what's up about RMaint ^^ I guess all good, nothing special
22:14 rangi[m]    nothing from me
22:13 wahanui     hmmm... rmaints is khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo
22:13 tuxayo      rmaints?
22:13 tuxayo      #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
22:13 aleisha     :)
22:13 fridolin    i am good
22:12 fridolin    the Recalls dev has an impact there
22:12 fridolin    yep DBRevs also
22:12 tuxayo      *tough
22:12 rangi[m]    thanks fridolin
22:12 tuxayo      + DBRevs? All this looks though
22:11 fridolin    there is one action I need to do : synch between DBIC and kohastructure.sql
22:10 fridolin    i will send email on ML about milestones for 22.05 release soon
22:10 fridolin    and next release => i'm not presenting for it
22:09 rangi[m]    ahh yep
22:09 fridolin    I've discussed about end of cycle => do as usual
22:09 tuxayo      ^^
22:09 cait        it looked like you al lhad a good time for sure :)
22:09 fridolin    so lots of passed QA
22:09 rangi[m]    the pictures looked great!
22:08 fridolin    hackfest was great
22:08 fridolin    yey
22:08 tuxayo      fridolin, the mic is yours
22:08 tuxayo      #topic Update from the Release manager (22.05)
22:07 tuxayo      thanks rangi
22:07 tuxayo      Anything else to announce that doesn't fit the other topics of the agenda?
22:07 rangi[m]    thanks tuxayo[m] , ill pass that on
22:07 tuxayo      thanks for the help, best wishes to Wainui for recovery
22:06 fridolin    super
22:05 rangi[m]    wainui is recovering from eye surgery, so I am filling in as rmaint just for the april release
22:05 cait        koha_us++
22:05 cait        and with a nice logo too
22:05 tuxayo      #info KohaCon22 website live! https://2022.kohacon.org
22:05 tuxayo      #topic Announcements
22:04 * fridolin  enjoys cheese and wine
22:04 fridolin    yep, return in 10 days
22:04 hayley      hello all!
22:03 rangi[m]    you're still in france fridolin ? travelling home soon?
22:03 tuxayo      woohoo, so much people :D
22:03 fridolin    #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France
22:03 cait        not sure I'll be around to the end, a little late here
22:03 tuxayo      #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo & Co., France
22:02 cait        #info Katrin Fischer, Germany
22:02 aleisha     #info Aleisha Amohia, Catalyst IT, Wellington NZ
22:02 alexbuckley #info Alex Buckley, Catalyst IT
22:02 tuxayo      #topic Introductions
22:02 hayley      #info Hayley Pelham, Catalyst IT
22:02 tuxayo      #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_6_April_2022 Today's agenda
22:02 rangi[m]    #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT
22:01 huginn      The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_6_april_2022'
22:01 huginn      Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
22:01 huginn      Meeting started Wed Apr  6 22:01:44 2022 UTC.  The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
22:01 tuxayo      #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 6 April 2022
22:01 rangi[m]    thanks tuxayo[m]
21:56 tuxayo      _oftc_rangi[m]: yes it works for me
21:55 tuxayo      thanks :o
21:55 tuxayo      fridolin++
21:55 tuxayo      oh right the meeting!!!
21:55 fridolin    ^^
21:54 wahanui     there is an icy hand resting on my shoulder
21:54 fridolin    tuxayo: there ?
21:54 fridolin    dev meeting in 5
21:54 fridolin    https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_6_April_2022
21:54 fridolin    yey
21:48 cait        rangi[m]: ^
21:48 cait        it does
21:43 rangi[m]    https://2022.kohacon.org/  does that work for people?
21:15 * cait      waves
21:15 cait        it's different, I quite like it
21:15 cait        oleonard: the logo looks nice :)
21:13 aleisha     hey all
20:08 tuxayo      :D
17:54 oleonard    KohaCon22 web page announced: https://koha-us.org/events/conferences/kohacon22/
15:19 reiveune    bye
13:53 wahanui     hi oleopard
13:53 cait1       hi oleonard
13:52 oleonard    o/
13:36 cait1       udkoha: a lot of irc clients light up when you use the nick in the message
13:14 Joubu       yes, it's a bug, please report it and link it with 30063
13:11 Joubu       marcelr: talking about the search in the header?
13:00 marcelr     maybe add to release notes or something
12:59 marcelr     its not very important but I guess that more people may expect a response since there always was
12:59 marcelr     Joubu: thats the point probably, when you type something I see a REST API call, when you dont, there is no call
12:27 Joubu       something in the JS console? do you see the GET /patrons query?
12:25 marcelr     yes all libraries
12:09 Joubu       libraries*
12:08 Joubu       marcelr: do you see the library on admin/branches.pl?
12:05 marcelr     together with JSON Validator stuff, this is a great time spender :)
12:05 marcelr     nothing changes Joubu except that I lost quite some cookies etc
11:58 Joubu       or clear harder your cache
11:58 marcelr     sure
11:58 Joubu       try in a new browser's session
11:58 Joubu       yes, there is a sticky CSS cache
11:58 marcelr     no table at all
11:57 Joubu       marcelr: empty table or no table at all?
11:56 udkoha      Handler/LookupItem.pm  : line 31:        $item_id = $item_id->textContent();
11:56 udkoha      so either koha can find the item by id or not but why is the method textContent not working?
11:55 marcelr     patron search without typing any search string normally gave me all patrons; now I get nothing ?
11:55 marcelr     o/
11:55 udkoha      But in the Request I use <ItemIdentifierValue datatype="string">6</ItemIdentifierValue>
11:54 udkoha      h2>runtime error</h2><pre class="error">Can&#39;t call method &quot;textContent&quot; on an undefined value
11:54 udkoha      at the moment I try LookupItem but I got another error
11:54 udkoha      does this user must have superlibrarian permissions?
11:53 udkoha      I dont't know for example why I need to set userenv_borrowernumber: <id>
11:52 udkoha      we are running NCIP since 2005 but none of our NCIP XML payloads works out of the box
11:51 udkoha      hello kyle, indeed I could need more help :-)
11:50 khall_      udkoha you are correct. If you need any more help let me know!
11:47 cait1       makes snse, but not sure if he watches us here :)
11:47 kidclamp    that's all khall cait1
11:46 cait1       kidclamp^
11:21 udkoha      I have to set version like this: <NCIPMessage version='http://www.niso.org/schemas/ncip/v2_02/ncip_v2_02.xsd'>
11:21 udkoha      sorry, I found the place where I can choose between v1 and v2 concerning NCIP server
11:06 kidclamp    khall_ ^^
10:30 oleonard    Hi #koha
10:21 udkoha      ok, I've copied the LookupVersionResponse.inc from v2 to v1 but I don't know where I can change the behaviour of the NCIP server to use v2 instead of v1
10:16 udkoha      how can I choose between v1 and v2 ? is there a setting in the config.yml or do we have to set v1/v2 in our NCIP request?
10:14 udkoha      ah, there is only this file /templates/v2/includes/LookupVersionResponse.inc in the ncip-server directory
10:13 udkoha      Concerning LookupVersion we get this error: v1/includes/LookupVersionResponse.inc: not found
10:13 udkoha      at the moment it's running but even the LookupVersion requests fails and we don't understand everything in the config.yml ?
10:11 udkoha      hi all - is there a place where we can get mor documentation for Bywaters NCIP server ?
09:41 nlegrand    Do people use Koha with docker in production?
09:41 huginn      Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30461 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Batch authority tool is broken
09:41 Joubu       bug 30461 impacts 21.11
09:40 nlegrand    Bonjour.
09:04 severine_q  hola @tcohen and all :)
08:42 tcohen      andrii
08:42 tcohen      hi nugged
08:38 alex_       Salut tcohen
08:37 tcohen      bonjour severine_q alex_ reiveune ashimema
08:37 tcohen      hola #koha
08:04 severine_q  Hello everyone !
06:43 alex_       Bonjour
06:17 reiveune    hello