Time  Nick          Message
00:10 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #260: FAILURE in 15 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/260/
00:19 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #374: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D9/374/
00:23 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_U16 build #114: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U16/114/
00:51 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #375: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D9/375/
05:29 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
05:29 wahanui       Congratulations!
05:29 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #261: FIXED in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/261/
06:16 fridolin      hihi
07:10 reiveune      hello
07:18 magnuse       bonjour
07:53 alex_a        Bonjour
08:04 cait1         bug 29796
08:04 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29796 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Cannot create new patron accounts
08:26 magnuse       new patrons - who needs 'em? i say we just get rid of that "feature"
08:27 cait1         radical thought
08:28 cait1         a library finally free of users that untidy the shelves...
08:32 magnuse       yup, win-win solution
08:35 cait1         ;)
10:42 Joubu         anyone familiar with self-checkout?
11:25 oleonard      Hi #koha
12:00 cait1         hi oleonard :)
12:10 cait1         hm what will be the next LTS after 19.11?
13:06 oleonard      pastebot not working?
13:11 cait1         not sure I ever used it
13:11 oleonard      Isn't that the bot that posts messages from paste.koha-community.org?
13:14 magnuse       think so
13:18 cait1         is that when you check the checkbox?
13:19 cait1         ah no, you have to select a channel
13:19 pastebot      "cait1" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Test" (1 line) at https://paste.koha-community.org/7078
13:19 tcohen        rangi++ added SSL recently
13:20 cait1         nice
13:20 oleonard      I thought I selected a channel, maybe I didn't.
13:20 cait1         i finally got to test bug 13545 which has been in Koha forever
13:20 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13545 normal, P1 - high, ---, kyle, CLOSED FIXED, Add barcode image generator service
13:20 cait1         and love it :)
13:21 magnuse       yay!
13:21 oleonard      It occurs to me that we could create a little GUI for testing different parameters to see how the output looks
13:21 magnuse       yay!
13:23 cait1         oleonard: I've tagged it for manual - hope I didn't just miss it
13:24 cait1         not sure wher eit should go... it's great for slips, but also in other places maybe? you coudl do QR codes for a list of new items or so
13:25 tcohen        sounds great, cait1
13:28 cait1         also coudl go on ILL slips :)
13:30 cait1         hm a lot of our updated 20.11 have these coming from the daily crons:   Use of uninitialized value $val in substitution iterator at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Letters.pm line 664.  Odd number of elements in anonymous hash at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Letters.pm line 879.  Odd number of elements in anonymous hash at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Letters.pm line 879.
13:30 cait1         and i am not even sure where to start looking
13:50 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_21.05_U18 build #121: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.05_U18/121/
13:51 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_21.05_D11 build #148: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.05_D11/148/
14:01 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_21.05_D12 build #75: SUCCESS in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.05_D12/75/
14:10 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_21.05_D9 build #123: SUCCESS in 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.05_D9/123/
14:14 cait1         oleonard: are you using the web based self check feature in your library?
14:15 oleonard      No, I've only tested it.
14:18 oleonard      Is there a bug you're investigating?
14:23 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_21.05_U20 build #130: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.05_U20/130/
14:24 cait1         yes, but it's ok
14:26 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_21.05_U16 build #130: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.05_U16/130/
14:27 ngospodinov   Hello!
14:31 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
14:31 wahanui       Congratulations!
14:31 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_21.05_D10 build #193: FIXED in 1 hr 17 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.05_D10/193/
14:31 ngospodinov   Hello. I have the following question. After attaching an electronic copy to an existing library record and then raising the flag to clear the item (which is only one), is there a way to search for the title of the same book in OPAC to get the attached electronic copy.
14:32 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
14:32 wahanui       Congratulations!
14:32 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_21.05_U_Stable build #124: FIXED in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.05_U_Stable/124/
14:35 oleonard      ngospodinov: I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking whether there is a way to go directly to the OPAC to view a record you're in the process of editing?
14:43 tuxayo        meeting in 15min!
14:45 ngospodinov   No. After raising the flag to clear the item, then I save the changes and only then search for the title of the same book in OPAC to get the attached electronic copy.
14:46 cait1         what you dou mean by 'clear the item'?
14:47 ngospodinov   I mean delete
14:51 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_21.05_U20 build #131: SUCCESS in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.05_U20/131/
14:56 tuxayo        meeting in 5 min!
14:56 oleonard      ngospodinov: I still don't understand the terms you're using. What do you mean by "electronic copy" ?
14:56 tuxayo        qa_team?
14:56 wahanui       well, qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova
14:56 tuxayo        rmaints?
14:56 wahanui       i heard rmaints was khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo
14:56 fridolin      le bonjour
14:57 AndrewFH      the good morning :)
14:57 tuxayo        le RM! :D
14:57 fridolin      thanks :D
14:57 fridolin      just out of bed
14:58 oleonard      out_of_bed--
15:00 tuxayo        #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 5 January 2022
15:00 huginn`       Meeting started Wed Jan  5 15:00:52 2022 UTC.  The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:00 huginn`       Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
15:00 huginn`       The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_5_january_2022'
15:01 tuxayo        #topic Introductions
15:01 tuxayo        #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_5_January_2022 Today's agenda
15:01 cait1         #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
15:01 tuxayo        #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo GmbH, France
15:01 fridolin      #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France
15:02 oleonard      #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
15:02 Joubu         #info Jonathan Druart
15:02 AndrewFH      #info Andrew Fuerste-Henry, ByWater Solutions
15:02 thd           #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [major COVID-19 centre take care]
15:03 kidclamp      #info, Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
15:03 cait1         happy new year all :)
15:03 tuxayo        #topic Announcements
15:04 tuxayo        Any announcement that doesn't fit another topic?
15:04 tuxayo        happy new year indeed!
15:04 Joubu         #info Enjoy 2022!
15:04 * thd         after a period of extra work in a retail environment has tested positive for the virus of the day despite vaccinations, extra ventilation, barriers, and 95% mask filtering.  I may be past my infectious period but please keep a safe distance.  Remember a virus is merely a bundle of information with replication instructions.
15:05 tuxayo        thd: best wishes for remission (if that's the right word). Thankfully, nothing to be worried over IRC :)
15:06 tuxayo        #topic Update from the Release manager (21.11)
15:06 tuxayo        fridolin?
15:06 wahanui       fridolin is, like, indeed, but maybe not on Rmain 18.11
15:06 tuxayo        lol
15:06 cait1         wahanui forget fridolin
15:06 wahanui       cait1: I forgot fridolin
15:06 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_21.05_U21 build #63: SUCCESS in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.05_U21/63/
15:06 tuxayo        :o
15:06 cait1         wahanui: fridolin is RM for 22.05
15:06 wahanui       OK, cait1.
15:07 cait1         just fixing...
15:07 fridolin      yey
15:07 fridolin      I've starting again after a few hollidays
15:07 fridolin      Kids have 4 weeks here
15:07 thd           Seems mild so far but was hoping that symptoms were a less troublesome infection with more decades of experience for management.
15:07 tuxayo        It's summer after all
15:08 fridolin      indeed :)
15:08 fridolin      Nothing special for RM
15:08 tuxayo        #topic  Updates from the Release Maintainers
15:08 nugged        #info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI
15:09 tuxayo        As koha-jenkins just said, 21.05 builds ^^
15:09 tuxayo        Nothing unusual for the 1st release of 20.05 this cycle
15:10 AndrewFH      yeah, nothing to report on 21.05 at this time
15:11 AndrewFH      Oh! except we're off of the usual point release numbering. Kyle did two releases in November 2021, so December was 21.05.08 rather than the standard 21.05.07. just FYI
15:12 tuxayo        Nothing to worry about. Urgent security releases do that.
15:12 AndrewFH      Yeah, I didn't see how it would cause trouble aside from mild confusion :)
15:12 fridolin      this month 22 is on a weekend, we may release on next monday
15:13 cait1         rmaints++
15:13 tuxayo        Right! Last month we forgot to coordinate to confirm the release date ^^"
15:13 tuxayo        moving on?
15:14 tuxayo        #topic Status of roadmap projects
15:16 tuxayo        Anything on something?
15:16 fridolin      it has been calm
15:16 thd           Fixed some bugs in rsync copying of binary and other non-version control files for wiki.  I should be able to restart commits to version control again soon.
15:16 Joubu         don't worry fridolin, I am back :D
15:17 thd           s/wiki/wiki migration/
15:17 fridolin      cool B)
15:17 thd           I will not be running down my health point with all night sessions at least until I am clear from the virus.
15:18 tuxayo        wise decision, even without sickness
15:18 tuxayo        #topic Actions from last meeting
15:19 tuxayo        > fridolin asks general ML about the discussed KohaCon22 bidding changes and announcement them at the beginning of January if there was not opposition.
15:19 fridolin      done
15:19 fridolin      there have been a few answers that agree
15:20 cait1         i was the one who put that up actually
15:20 cait1         the suggestions
15:20 cait1         and there was a misunderstanding actually .)
15:20 fridolin      I also have contacted Stockholm University because they made a candidature in KohaCon19
15:20 cait1         I didn't mean to make the past continents valid again, but to give people the chance to host an online only meeting without losing the chance to host an in person conf the next 3 years
15:21 fridolin      but they decline for 2022
15:21 cait1         i think some possible candidates might be holding back
15:21 cait1         becuse they hope to have a "real one"
15:21 cait1         that is close by, like all the european ones
15:21 fridolin      i like the idea
15:22 tuxayo        cait1: I don't remember if it was misunderstood of it inspired a similar proposal on the last meeting.
15:22 tuxayo        Definitely related though
15:22 fridolin      saying full-online can always propose is the same no ? th
15:22 cait1         I think it probably got lost in translation
15:23 cait1         I had to miss the last meeting, so couldn't explain it
15:23 cait1         i think yoru email only made past ones 'valid'
15:23 cait1         not talking about not losing the continents psot for the 23 one
15:23 cait1         not the same
15:23 fridolin      ah i get it
15:24 fridolin      ok to add this phrase, better be explicit
15:24 fridolin      i hope we will have a proposal ...
15:24 cait1         yeah me too
15:25 cait1         the suggestions came from trying to attract more bids really
15:25 cait1         because we are running out of time... but an online conf might be something people might take on
15:25 tuxayo        +1 it's better lossen up further more the rules with that.
15:26 cait1         oleonard: kidclamp: could you help phrasing? I failed already once :)
15:26 thd           Do we have a scheme of preference for both in person with online component as opposed to online only?
15:26 cait1         Maybe: If an online only conference is proposed, the same continent will still be possible to hold KohaCon in the folling year not being removed from rotation?
15:27 cait1         we have asked for bids for either hybrid or online only
15:27 cait1         a sole in-person is not an option for this year
15:27 cait1         if we get more than one bid, we can hold a vote and people can factor in their preferences
15:27 kidclamp      An online conference will not make a continent ineligible for future in-person conferences
15:29 cait1         oh or that
15:29 fridolin      So action = I will make announcement and edit wiki page
15:29 cait1         maybe we should clarify timeframe?
15:29 cait1         thx frido
15:29 cait1         ineligible (forever... bidding next year)
15:30 tuxayo        What was the chances about the timeframe again?
15:30 oleonard      "An online conference bid will not make a continent ineligible for hosting an in-person conference the following year"
15:30 cait1         +1
15:31 cait1         tuxayo: hm?
15:31 tuxayo        *changes
15:31 tuxayo        oops
15:31 cait1         i think we said end of feb? or middle of feb?
15:31 fridolin      wiki page says we add 4 weeks
15:32 fridolin      so end of feb
15:32 cait1         can you share the link?
15:32 fridolin      https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Processes_for_KohaCons#Continent_rotation
15:32 fridolin      If there is no bid after the deadline that meets the rules, there will  be a 4 weeks extension to the deadline. If there is still no bid after  the extension period, exceptions from the rules are possible.
15:32 cait1         ah, i was not aware of that passus, thx!
15:32 cait1         i think w don't hae to stick strictly ot that as we are already so late this year
15:33 cait1         I mean we can change the rules/exceptions right away with the extension
15:33 cait1         ... and pester every big library we know about hosting KohaCon
15:34 fridolin      ++
15:34 fridolin      but OK with end of Feb ?
15:35 fridolin      not sure we will have several proposals to vote for
15:35 tuxayo        # actionDRAFT fridolin announces timeframe extension (end of feb) and for this one allow proposals outside eligible continents, keeping priority to actual ones
15:35 tuxayo        ##actionDRAFT fridolin chances wiki page with "An online conference bid will not make a continent ineligible for hosting an in-person conference the following year". And announcement de change
15:36 cait1         having one would be good
15:36 cait1         :)
15:36 tuxayo        yes ^^
15:36 tuxayo        ok for end of february
15:36 cait1         yes
15:36 cait1         i think it might take a little to dicsuss in institutions, so should not be too short
15:36 tuxayo        So let's write the action and move on
15:36 cait1         yep
15:37 cait1         you already did :)
15:37 tuxayo        #action fridolin announces timeframe extension (end of feb) and for this one allow proposals outside eligible continents, keeping priority to actual ones
15:37 tuxayo        #action fridolin chances wiki page with "An online conference bid will not make a continent ineligible for hosting an in-person conference the following year". And announcement de change
15:37 tuxayo        s/chances/changes
15:37 tuxayo        >_<
15:37 tuxayo        > fridolin bring back the topic of keeping or not marcflavour a param for: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29652#c1
15:37 huginn`       Bug 29652: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Move Koha::Biblio->get_marc_* to Koha::Biblio::Metadata
15:38 fridolin      this is just to share the decision, any reason to keep this ?
15:38 fridolin      looks like a very old code
15:39 fridolin      without answers i'll remove it
15:39 cait1         it hink we need it still
15:39 cait1         in some form
15:39 cait1         there are some display things that also check for marcflavor
15:39 cait1         we are not always delaing with the records
15:40 cait1         oh, i think i misunderstood... we arenot taking about removing the pref...right?
15:40 fridolin      noooo
15:40 cait1         ok, withdraw! :)
15:40 Joubu         fridolin: yes, remove it
15:41 fridolin      oki thanks
15:41 cait1         what Joubu says
15:42 fridolin      action = new bug report to remove it, Bug 27268 dependency
15:42 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27268 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Pushed to master , Move C4::Biblio::GetMarcNotes to Koha namespace
15:44 fridolin      tuxayo:  ?
15:44 tuxayo        #action fridolin open ticket about removing marcflavour as a param in context of bug 29652. Add it a dependency of bug 27268.
15:44 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29652 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Move Koha::Biblio->get_marc_* to Koha::Biblio::Metadata
15:44 tuxayo        > tuxayo inform mtj about the minor release (and no big deal if packages come after, no hurry for this one)
15:44 tuxayo        Was done, mtj++ thanks for the packages
15:44 tuxayo        > fridolin open a ticket for qa-test-tools about using _() or __() in the right context. .tt files vs .js files
15:44 fridolin      done
15:45 fridolin      we can discuss details in this ticket
15:45 tuxayo        #link https://gitlab.com/koha-community/qa-test-tools/-/issues/55
15:45 tuxayo        > tuxayo calls for volunteers to work on ES 7 support in the koha-devel mailing list
15:45 tuxayo        dono
15:45 tuxayo        *done
15:45 fridolin      https://gitlab.com/koha-community/qa-test-tools/-/issues/55
15:46 fridolin      your call have been eard at Biblibre, we plan to put some dev workers on it
15:46 tuxayo        biblibre++
15:47 tuxayo        For anyone interested in submitting patches or testing/reviewing , see bug 25439.
15:47 tuxayo        Some look like trivial patches about default values
15:48 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25439 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [Omnibus] Prepare Koha to ElasticSearch 7 - ES7
15:48 tuxayo        #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
15:48 cait1         biblibre++
15:48 fridolin      I'd like to point Bug 29672
15:48 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29672 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Increase performance of Koha::Plugins->call
15:49 fridolin      performance of plugins is really important, like for intranet_js hook ie
15:49 fridolin      Joubu: could you continue on it please ?
15:50 Joubu         continue what?
15:50 fridolin      Bug 29672
15:50 Joubu         add a reply, a follow-up? Wait for QA?
15:50 fridolin      discuss with how to do it good
15:50 Joubu         ok, will have a look at it again
15:50 fridolin      followup id need
15:50 fridolin      thanks a lot
15:51 fridolin      we notices performance gap is more important when DB server is remote
15:51 Joubu         I don't think something is needed, I was discussing with Julian and he told me I was wrong
15:51 fridolin      ah
15:52 fridolin      but there is a benchmark Comment 3
15:53 tuxayo        You mean it needs a second run from someone else?
15:54 fridolin      any help is welcome
15:55 fridolin      lets move on
15:55 tuxayo        Any other pressing general development discussion?
15:56 Joubu         yes
15:56 Joubu         have a look at bug 29746, it's great
15:56 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29746 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , Add a handy Koha::Result::Boolean class
15:56 Joubu         that's all :)
15:56 tuxayo        go :)
15:56 cait1         :)
15:56 Joubu         (no, that was not a discussion)
15:57 tuxayo        moving on then :)
15:57 tuxayo        #topic Review of coding guidelines
15:57 tuxayo        > fridolin  : Remove the deprecated text parts in J5 ?
15:58 tuxayo        #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#JS5:_Enabling_translation_of_language_strings_in_linked_JavaScript
15:58 fridolin      its confusing
15:58 fridolin      related to qa tools issue
15:59 oleonard      The examples for how to leverage 21156 could be expanded, but removing the DEPRECATED information makes sense
15:59 cait1         yes, remove DEPRECATED
15:59 cait1         i mean everything that is deprecated...
15:59 fridolin      it is since 19.11.04
16:00 fridolin      i'll leave the reference to 21156
16:01 tuxayo        So just removing everything from DEPRECATED to the end of  JS5?
16:01 fridolin      yep
16:02 tuxayo        no objections or amendments?
16:02 fridolin      RIP ☠️
16:03 tuxayo        #action tuxayo Update coding guideline JS5 to removed everything from DEPRECATED to the end of JS5.
16:03 tuxayo        next
16:03 tuxayo        >  Perltidy config ? There is xt/perltidyrc (untouched since 2008)
16:04 cait1         i think it was hard to agree on things back then
16:04 fridolin      I have always use default config, but it may be wrong
16:05 cait1         what are the differences to default config?
16:06 fridolin      i mean what are other dev using ?
16:06 fridolin      ahhh https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL1:_Perltidy
16:06 tuxayo        The only uncommented stuff is
16:06 tuxayo        --cuddled-else    --maximum-line-length=178     --opening-brace-always-on-right   --paren-tightness=1   --vertical-tightness=2
16:06 tuxayo
16:08 tuxayo        http://perltidy.sourceforge.net/
16:08 tuxayo        > The default parameter settings approximately follow the suggestions in the Perl Style Guide.
16:09 tuxayo        https://perldoc.perl.org/perlstyle.html
16:09 fridolin      ah ok, so maybe juste remove xt/perltidyrc
16:10 cait1         maybe we should write it down then
16:10 cait1         that the standard is used?
16:10 tuxayo        Is it actually used by the related test?
16:11 cait1         also a good question
16:11 cait1         i tmigh tbe needed for the test
16:12 oleonard      We seem to be slowing down...
16:12 tuxayo        And maybe we keep it empty to have it ready for adding non default value? Or do we expect to unlikely something else than the default?
16:13 fridolin      we may postpone this
16:14 tuxayo        #action tuxayo check if xt/perltidyrc is used to see if we currently rely on it's values
16:14 tuxayo        last!
16:14 tuxayo        > Avoid formatting single words within sentences to ease translation (example: Bug 29589)
16:14 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29589 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Passed QA , Translation issue with formatting in MARC overlay rules page
16:14 fridolin      i mean create a new guide line to explain that
16:15 oleonard      I find that restriction to be be unreasonable, and I wish we could come up with a solution.
16:15 Joubu         I reused the pattern on bug 29602 as well
16:15 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29602 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , We must be nicer with translators
16:15 fridolin      oleonard: how is it a restriction ?
16:16 oleonard      I want to be able to use markup in the middle of a sentence.
16:16 cait1         i think there have beens ome solutions proposed
16:16 cait1         but I don't remember exactly where .(
16:16 fridolin      i mean the guide line can advice not to use it for translation
16:16 cait1         basically it was using a TT plugin i think
16:16 cait1         because TT stuff gets parsed into a sentence, we have issues with html elements
16:16 Joubu         yes but it only adds a span
16:17 Joubu         oleonard: do you mean you would like to use <b> for instance in a sentence?
16:17 Joubu         https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=128698
16:17 cait1         it might be on the old bugs of mveron, when he cleaned up a lot of those
16:17 Joubu         +                    The [%  pref_MARCOverlayRules_link | $KohaSpan %] preference is not set, don't forget to enable it for rules to take effect.
16:17 Joubu         we could have [% string | KohaTab tag => 'b' %]
16:17 Joubu         /KohaTab/KohaTag
16:17 cait1         I believe that should work with the tools
16:17 cait1         for translation
16:17 oleonard      Joubu: Yes I would like to be able to <em>emphasize</em> words, for example.
16:18 cait1         i agree, it shoudl be possible
16:18 fridolin      ah sure
16:18 cait1         woudl the proposed solution work oleonard?
16:18 Joubu         no
16:18 cait1         hm?
16:18 Joubu         it won't work I think
16:18 Joubu         the [% string %] won't be translatable
16:19 cait1         hm right
16:19 cait1         can we assign text in TT varialbes that is translatable?
16:19 Joubu         [% SET string = t("translate_me") %]
16:19 Joubu         The [% string | $KohaTag tag => 'em' %] stuff blabla
16:20 Joubu         but it will end up weirdly in the po
16:20 fridolin      the purpose is to have in PO : The %s stuff blabla
16:20 fridolin      right ?
16:20 Joubu         you will have translate_me in one string, and the other "The %s blabla" in another one
16:20 cait1         i'll give an example i was working on today sec
16:21 Joubu         BUT
16:21 oleonard      I don't think we have to solve this problem now, but I wanted to express that I don't think a coding guideline is a long-term solution.
16:21 cait1         (Requires above, does not work during self-registration if PatronSelfRegistrationVerifyByEmail is set.)
16:21 Joubu         [% SET string = ("The <em>Translate me</em> stuff blabla"); %]
16:21 Joubu         will work
16:21 cait1         so the PatronselfRegistrationbyEmail is a link
16:21 cait1         and self-registration is too
16:21 Joubu         missing t()
16:21 cait1         that makes to translate: if
16:21 Joubu         [% SET string = t("The <em>Translate me</em> stuff blabla"); %]
16:21 Joubu         ^^ that will work, problem fixed
16:22 cait1         is set.
16:22 cait1         which is... hard
16:22 cait1         Joubu++
16:22 cait1         so... who is going to try it out? :)
16:22 Joubu         cait1: your version can be fixed using the other version, from 29602
16:22 cait1         yes and no, self registration is no pref
16:23 cait1         in that case
16:24 cait1         should we try it and make the coding guideline up next time?
16:24 cait1         the string on patron attributs config might be a good case
16:24 Joubu         [% SET PatronSelfRegistrationVerifyByEmail_link = '<a href="/cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl?op=search&searchfield=PatronSelfRegistrationVerifyByEmail">PatronSelfRegistrationVerifyByEmail</a>' %]
16:24 Joubu         [% SET self_registration_link = '<a></a>' %] #Same as before
16:25 Joubu         ha
16:25 Joubu         yes, ok, will think about that
16:25 Joubu         move on :)
16:25 fridolin      oki
16:26 tuxayo        #action tuxayo postpone "Avoid formatting single words within sentences to ease translation (example: Bug 29589)" to wait for test results
16:26 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29589 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Passed QA , Translation issue with formatting in MARC overlay rules page
16:26 tuxayo        #topic Set time of next meeting
16:26 tuxayo        The 19th at the same hour then
16:27 fridolin      sounds good
16:27 cait1         tuxayo++
16:27 fridolin      tuxayo++
16:27 tuxayo        #info Next meeting: 19 January 2022, 15 UTC
16:27 tuxayo        #endmeeting
16:27 huginn`       Meeting ended Wed Jan  5 16:27:46 2022 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
16:27 huginn`       Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_5_january_2022.2022-01-05-15.00.html
16:27 huginn`       Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_5_january_2022.2022-01-05-15.00.txt
16:27 huginn`       Log:            https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_5_january_2022.2022-01-05-15.00.log.html
16:27 Joubu         fridolin: are you running the meeting string?
16:28 tuxayo        thanks all for the attendance and participation.
16:28 fridolin      Joubu: yep it works
16:28 tuxayo        great thanks for the updating the wiki
16:28 fridolin      i just need to configure for calendar, ive skipped last time
16:33 fridolin      good day/night to you all, see you around ;)
16:46 oleonard      The "holds to pull" report broken for anyone else?
16:49 oleonard      Hm... not after a reset_all, only with my own testing data...
18:05 ngospodinov_  Good evening all. Earlier today I wrote in connection with the attached electronic copy to an existing bibliographic record.  The electronic copy is the scanned book in PDF format. The bibliographic record is on the same book.  An item with a barcode, inv. number, author, title, etc has been created in this bibliographic record. My question is this: 1. After deducting (hiding it for users in OPAC) this item is there a way for users to see the attachment
18:07 kidclamp      If you hide the item via  OpacHiddenItems  and set  OpacHiddenItemsHidesRecord  to "Don't hide" then the record will be visible and the attachment to the record should be visible
18:15 ngospodinov_  I will try this
18:45 reiveune      bye
19:06 ngospodinov_  where i can find OpacHiddenItemsHidesRecord
19:07 oleonard-away ngospodinov_: In system preferences
19:08 ngospodinov_  I cant find it there. I only find OpacHiddenItems
19:08 oleonard      It was added in Koha version 21.05
19:10 ngospodinov_  Ok
19:11 ngospodinov_  I am with older version
19:13 ngospodinov_  Can I do something else on the older version or I have to install this version
19:14 oleonard      I assume the feature was added because it couldn't be easily implemented otherwise, but I don't know.
19:15 ngospodinov_  Still Thank you very much!
19:44 ngospodinov_  If anyone has an idea how I can achieve the desired result in version 20.05 please share with me
19:53 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
19:53 wahanui       Congratulations!
19:53 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master build #1878: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/1878/