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22:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28377: Use the API to suspend/resume holds <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fab3f92cd0552cb4eb80be1b77e3d1136643c533>
22:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28377: (follow-up) Remove svc/hold/{resume|suspend} <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9c0c85cf9a8e9c8f3b69829e0be3c85002d44b6>
22:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 29575: Add $patron_to_html to render patron information in JS <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=633d6d3e67a51810ff09b9ea5b9081944f12904a>
22:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 29575: (QA follow-up) Add JSDoc documentation <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d35f3846661f114102175f5bc1fb08ae1931150>
22:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 29575: (QA follow-up) Patron fields can be empty strings <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=29e3d3d7fe13237fcd5d28dcdc5f9d7bf980513b>
22:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28481: Make 'to' date inclusive. <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7974ecbeabe51643bf83e6ce3a7ebc8c9cabcce6>
22:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 29669: fix uninitialized value warnings when XSLTParse4Display is called <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=81bb6761a23bb0c68aee2bdc43a5b353b7f76157>
22:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28377: (28937 follow-up) Flatpickr change <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea8a246225f8af46921dd5e8d90687bf8239cc79>
22:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28377: (QA follow-up) Fallback error handling <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=111f4af2e9cc7838c0462de739f82f7aa1460247>
22:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28481: (QA follow-up) Set date to 23:59:59 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e600418c6d0106388809a480bbfe5bf19f41dcc4>
22:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 29679: Remove redundant divider element from reports menu <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de487dac12de0a63cfa46bfb31083bd131803787>
22:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28377: (QA follow-up) .js files should use __() <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c1b21de3e7283f2e680a6b51987bc3222cba493>
22:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 29575: (RM follow-up) remove HTML comments <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5bfe34a37552f25cb5f6b4cc3c3671349a712053>
22:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 28481: (RM follow-up) formatting <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=65915fedffc50fb8650392b92df8d9d79fe1ec8a>
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20:39 fridolin not really a veggie :D
20:38 fridolin using google meat
20:38 fridolin here i ham
18:28 tcohen hola
17:16 davidnind (too slow...)
17:16 davidnind thanks lucyvh!
17:16 lucyvh Bye all
17:15 davidnind I was going to experiment with "office hours" - a chance to drop in and discuss anything we are working on or ask questions at a set time, but will defer to next year to start that (https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_Team_-_Office_hours)
17:13 davidnind time to think about breakfast!
17:13 aude_c off as well. "See you" next time!
17:13 davidnind thanks cait1!
17:13 cait1 time to think about dinner here - bye :)
17:13 davidnind then next time someone asks about it we can point them to the right place...
17:13 cait1 yes, that makes sense
17:12 davidnind I'm starting to add tasks for things people raise either on the mailing list or in chat that aren't covered, or aren't covered well
17:12 aude_c cait1: yes, that would be good
17:11 davidnind thanks ashimema for dropping in on your day off!
17:11 cait1 maybe an idea to discuss soemtiem: encourage people to report when they don't find info in the manual
17:11 ashimema Nice one everyone
17:11 davidnind a but like fixing all the bugs! :-D
17:11 cait1 :)
17:10 aude_c hehe
17:10 davidnind document all the things!
17:10 aude_c sounds like a new year resolution! :D
17:10 davidnind hopefully we can start making traction on updating the manual in the new year!
17:09 aude_c thank you davidnind
17:09 lucyvh thanks davidnind
17:09 davidnind thanks everyone, slightly over time but not too bad
17:09 cait1 thanks davidnind++ :)
17:09 huginn` Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/documentation_irc_meeting_16_december_2021.2021-12-16-16.00.log.html
17:09 huginn` Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/documentation_irc_meeting_16_december_2021.2021-12-16-16.00.txt
17:09 huginn` Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/documentation_irc_meeting_16_december_2021.2021-12-16-16.00.html
17:09 huginn` Meeting ended Thu Dec 16 17:09:11 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
17:09 davidnind #endmeeting
17:09 lucyvh yep
17:09 davidnind #info Next meeting: 6 January 2022, 16:00 UTC
17:08 cait1 sorry, got distracted :)
17:08 cait1 yes
17:08 aude_c yes for me
17:08 davidnind is the 6th okay for the first meeting for next year - basically the 1st Thursday (or Friday?) of the month?
17:07 davidnind I'll schedule it in
17:07 ashimema Great idea
17:07 davidnind that way it would be easier to demonstrate things and it can be easier to discuss some topics
17:07 lucyvh Great idea
17:06 aude_c that would be nice
17:06 davidnind the other idea I had was to have every 3rd or 4th meeting a video conference one, any thoughts?
17:05 davidnind okay, we'll stick with 16:00 and see how it goes...
17:05 cait1 5pm here is good too - it's a little late, but that means that things have quieted down a bit which also helps
17:05 aude_c the meeting started at 4pm in the UK so easy for us
17:04 aude_c no need for you to get up earlier on our behalf davidnind!
17:04 lucyvh Same time works for me
17:04 davidnind okay, I'll make it UTC 15:30 and we can see how it goes
17:04 aude_c So, keep the same time?
17:03 cait1 but I am distracting ... concentration is fading a little
17:03 cait1 yes, 10 in summer (in the future), 12 in winter and very confusing 11 for a short time period in betweens
17:03 davidnind it's basically 12 hours difference, give or take daylight savings
17:03 aude_c cait1: haha! I'll get used to it
17:02 cait1 aude_c: i think nz is about the only one i get right after years of training and especially in winter :)
17:02 davidnind I could make it half an hour earlier if that works better for the UK/Europe
17:02 aude_c oh, I'm thinking about time zones the wrong way, then! Sorry
17:02 cait1 12 hours to nz currently - so now is 6am
17:02 cait1 but it hink earlier is hard for davidnind
17:02 cait1 same
17:02 aude_c it works for me. Earlier would work too
17:01 davidnind It's okay for me (normally...)
17:01 davidnind Does this time work for you all - earlier, later?
17:01 davidnind #topic Set time for next meeting
17:01 davidnind I'll defer the other agenda items to the enxt meeting!
17:00 davidnind ashimema++
17:00 davidnind using the version released in helps as well
16:59 davidnind #action ashimema to look at adding docs tasks to the dashboard https://dashboard.koha-community.org/
16:59 cait1 it was a little tricky to get right, until Caroline approved :)
16:59 cait1 i think you'll need a combination of keywords and component + manual - i have a saved shared search for the open ones
16:58 davidnind I better do some work then:-D
16:58 ashimema Hehe.. Okies.. I'll take a look over Xmas . Action me ;)
16:58 ashimema Wouldn't be too hard to have docs leaderboards like we have for SO and QA come to think of it
16:58 cait1 davidnind: quick, action him!
16:58 cait1 I also like hat idea :)
16:58 ashimema Indeed
16:57 ashimema Would that be helpful for just another place to get confused by?
16:57 davidnind that would be great - we can see how it goes, at least make the work on the documentation a bit more visible and perhaps encourage contributions...
16:57 ashimema I use the dashboard a lot as my starting point for picking community work to get on with
16:57 cait1 yah... i am behind with bug mails this week already again
16:56 ashimema I can add a list to the dashboard that tracks the manual keyword
16:56 davidnind okay, I'll stick with that for the moment and keep it simple
16:56 davidnind I don't envy your inbox!
16:55 cait1 I like it
16:55 cait1 especially in the email inbox
16:55 cait1 we have a documentation component, but it's true that often you don't spot it right away
16:55 davidnind is this helpful and should we expand - or just go with that for the moment. For me it makes documentation bugs *tasks) stand a bit more in Bugzilla.
16:54 davidnind I've been adding [DOCS] to Bugzilla tasks as I add them or review them - see https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&f1=keywords&f2=component&j_top=OR&known_name=Documentation%20To-do&list_id=394372&o1=allwords&o2=equals&query_based_on=Documentation%20To-do&query_format=advanced&v1=Manual&v2=Documentation
16:53 davidnind cait1++
16:52 cait1 I've changed the description for Manual a litlte too: Indicates that this bug makes changes that will need to be documented in the Koha manual.
16:52 davidnind okay 10 minutes to go...
16:52 davidnind thanks cait1!
16:51 davidnind sounds good
16:51 davidnind okay, so once we've updated the manual for a bug, we change the keyword to Manual-updated
16:51 cait1 for a description
16:51 cait1 Indicates that the changes from this bug have been incorporated into the Koha manual.
16:50 aude_c +1
16:50 lucyvh +1
16:50 davidnind +1
16:50 cait1 Manual-updated?
16:50 cait1 i seee one with - too heh
16:50 davidnind anyone have any preferences?
16:50 cait1 ok
16:50 davidnind Manual_Updated?
16:50 davidnind go for it - one less action for me
16:49 cait1 Manual_done ok? or Manual_Done?
16:49 davidnind great
16:49 cait1 I cando it right now if you want
16:49 cait1 most seemto prefer undercores
16:49 davidnind #action davidnind to look at getting a keyword added to Bugzilla to capture that the documentation/manual has been updated for this bug
16:49 cait1 i can
16:49 cait1 ashimema probably too sec
16:48 cait1 I think I can do that actually
16:48 davidnind It would be useful to show what we have done as well
16:48 lucyvh That sounds good
16:47 davidnind What's the process of adding a keyword to Bugzilla?
16:47 cait1 sounds good
16:46 davidnind This will give contributors to the bug a chance to make sure we've reflected the change correctly
16:46 davidnind 4. Remove the Manual keyword from the bug, if it was used.
16:46 davidnind 3. Indicate that any feedback or suggestions are welcome.
16:46 davidnind 2. Here are the changes we have made (a link to the commit and section in the manual).
16:46 davidnind 1. Changes for this bug are now incorporated into the manual.
16:46 davidnind I was proposing that we add a comment to the bug saying:
16:46 cait1 Manual and Manual_Done keywords
16:46 cait1 lucyvh: that's also an idea, it might not work in the beginning, but culd be helpful in the future
16:45 davidnind I might also be wrong about what needs documenting - architecture and developer specific things aren't covered by the manual
16:45 lucyvh I think we need something more that just removing the 'manual' keyword. Could we have a 'Manual - done' tag for something similar
16:44 davidnind cait1: yes, that woudl be good
16:44 lucyvh It's great to have the spreadsheet with everything centralised
16:42 davidnind I'm still wokring through the 21.11 ones to add the manual keyword, but there are quite a few already with it
16:42 davidnind for 22.05 this is up-to-date and you can see the list - there is a link in the agenda - it is quite long!
16:41 cait1 merge request _link_
16:41 ashimema Cool, that works
16:41 cait1 ok, so maybe if we get to work on something that has not been 'keyworded' or actually always, we could also add a little comment with the merge request maybe?
16:41 * ashimema would like to see the SO/QA/Push process link up with the docs process.. making sure we somehow keep on top of things..
16:41 davidnind so basically I will review what is pushed and see if I thing a change is required to the documentation and add the manual keyword
16:40 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29460 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to stable , Typo 'pendin g approval'
16:40 davidnind bug 29460
16:40 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29473 normal, P1 - high, ---, david, ASSIGNED , [DOCS 21.11] Documentation changes for 21.11
16:40 davidnind That's how I see it working as well, for bug 29473 (21.11) and 29460 (22.05) I'm using that more as a way for me to make sure all the release changes are reviewed
16:38 cait1 is this still the idea - and shoudl we then wait for you to keywords (or help with that) / amke a note on the spreadsheet?
16:38 cait1 and then remove the Manual keyword when done
16:38 cait1 so you could then search for that and work throught hem
16:38 cait1 i think the original idea was to mark all bugs that require docs updates with the keyword "Manual" in bugzilla
16:37 cait1 my question was more about how we workwith the spreadsheets
16:37 davidnind You can go first if you like cait1 (content development guidelines = things like a style guide, terminology, processes, and how we do things)
16:36 davidnind #topic Content development guidelines
16:36 davidnind always helpful cait1 - hopefully we can get the translation stuff sorted out and running smoothly
16:35 davidnind it's great to have you all involved!
16:35 davidnind #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Documentation_Team
16:35 lucyvh Great that aude_c is getting involved
16:34 cait1 i think only complaining about the translations... so not being very helpful
16:34 davidnind hopefully I will have some of the Wiki pages updated on processes and step-by-step instructions
16:34 lucyvh I haven't been abe to contribute much this year, hoping that changes in the new year
16:34 davidnind great - things tend to get busy in real life at this time of the eyar!
16:33 aude_c nothing yet; planning to start looking at it properly with lucyvh early January
16:33 davidnind bearing in mind I haven't been that active until now - my apologies for that fro the last release cycle
16:32 davidnind anything else you have all been working on that you would like to share?
16:32 davidnind that's it from me on things - finally actually starting to do some actual writing!
16:31 * cait1 will wiat
16:31 davidnind cait1: that's next on the agenda
16:30 aude_c davidnind: thanks (about the IRC logs) :D
16:30 cait1 is it a good moment to ask workflow questions?
16:30 cait1 thanks a lot for that
16:30 davidnind the only other thing has mostly been trying to work out the translation works -= is on the agenda lately
16:29 davidnind our IRC is logged, so you can always keep an eye on what the developers are up to :-D http://irc.koha-community.org/
16:28 cait1 davidnind: you can also use #link url linktext if you want
16:28 davidnind #info Documentation Manager update - 2021-12-07 https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-docs/2021-December/000271.html
16:27 davidnind I've not done too much more since my update to the mailing list
16:27 aude_c haha, yes; I wasn't sure where to start explaining to Lucy what you were talking about!
16:27 lucyvh My fault, apologies
16:27 davidnind hehe - easy to get distracted!
16:26 aude_c "What’s been done so far"?
16:26 davidnind where was I?
16:25 davidnind no problem!
16:24 davidnind hi lucyvh!
16:24 davidnind #action davidnind to add a task to Bugzilla to document how the linking from Koha to the manual works
16:24 lucyvh Hi all, sorry I'm late
16:24 cait1 if you don't have a sepcific link, I believe the help will just link to the manual start page
16:23 cait1 it's necessary for new pages added... but you are right, we need to check the help link
16:23 ashimema I should probably
16:23 ashimema How it works might be good to have documented somewhere.. it's not something I ever check for in QA or think to do as a dev
16:23 cait1 we have set ours to german and the manuals on translate at the moment (because the ones on the website do't have current translations often)
16:22 cait1 yes, that's also a feature, with the docs url you can also make sure it goes to the preferred language
16:22 ashimema Glad it does still work
16:22 ashimema :-)
16:22 cait1 exactly, also with translations (needed to do them twice)
16:22 ashimema I seem to remember you can even set the base URL to point to your own docs site if you wanted to
16:22 oleonard Previously the help files were local which created a problem keeping them in sync with the online manual
16:21 cait1 there is a mapping for each template file to a section in the manual
16:21 aude_c that's my understanding too (I use it a lot!!)
16:21 ashimema Can't say I've used it for a while personally
16:21 cait1 the Help link in the upper right corner in Koha links to the most specific spot in the manual for the current page
16:21 ashimema I thought it did that already
16:21 cait1 but i might be misunderstanding
16:21 cait1 we do that now
16:20 davidnind I'm not sure whether Koha used to to that in the distant past...
16:20 davidnind embedded type help like microsoft or other tools where you click on the help button and it takes you somewhere (hopefully with the answers)
16:19 davidnind sounds like a good idea, so people using Koha can find the information quicker, rather than googling...
16:18 cait1 can you describe that idea a bit more?
16:18 davidnind ideally we would have linked help from pages in Koha, but there is probably some work to get to that stage
16:18 wahanui cait1: I forgot use case
16:18 cait1 wahanui: forget use case
16:17 wahanui a use case is, like, just wanting more options for date in notices
16:17 cait1 or a use case
16:17 cait1 but finding quick help what goes in a field/form might still be a goal when starting from Koha
16:16 cait1 right now we jump to the chapter in the manual... maybe it could also be a shorter summary page with links that relate to the topic
16:16 davidnind good point
16:16 cait1 one thing to maybe keep on mind when restructuring the manual - we also link from Koha to it, so it would be good to have a nice landing point for each page in Koha
16:15 davidnind #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ReStructuredText_-_Tips_and_Tricks
16:15 cait1 davidnind++
16:15 aude_c ok, thank you
16:15 ashimema You all described it perfectly
16:14 davidnind reStructuredText - is a lightweight markup klanguage - like HTML but a bit more constrained...
16:14 cait1 someone correct me if I remember wrong please
16:14 davidnind Sphinx is the tool that takes the source "code" for the manul and then turns it into HTML or PDF, ePub, etc
16:14 cait1 I think the format is... restructured text ?
16:14 aude_c oh
16:13 cait1 Sphinx is the software used to create the manual
16:13 davidnind one of the projects is to reorganise the contents (long overdue)
16:13 cait1 markdown might be interesting - more people might know it
16:13 aude_c What's Sphinx?
16:13 cait1 i've tried some visual editors, but it can be alittle hard where links and pictures are concerned, for text is usually no issue
16:13 davidnind you can also use markdown with Sphinx, so something to look at - a lot of similarity - markdown is a lot simpler though
16:12 cait1 maybe we shoudl also think about splitting some more files, navigation can be hard because of length
16:11 * ashimema wondered about checking for visual editors for sphinx again.. make contributions a little easier
16:11 cait1 I hope to help some too, but also want to know how docs team works, so I can make sure QA takes care of things important to the team
16:11 davidnind #topic What's been done so far
16:11 aude_c ashimema: thank you!
16:11 davidnind thanks ashimema!
16:10 ashimema aude_c I'm always open to help and guide, just poke me ;)
16:10 davidnind we need to update our documentation to make it easier to get up to speed, so a fresh perspective will be very helpful
16:10 ashimema I'll take a look, see if any would suit my help.. but I won't be active until the new year ;)
16:09 aude_c davidnind: thanks, I've used them in small ways so just a case of getting more familiar :)
16:09 aude_c still feeling a bit too new to this to add my name there
16:09 davidnind ..yet
16:09 davidnind aude_c: I hope things like Bugzilla and Git are not too overwhelming eyt!
16:08 davidnind If any of them are of interest feel free to add your name to them!
16:08 cait1 davidnind++
16:08 aude_c ok
16:07 davidnind I'm adding these as tasks to Bugzilla (not quite there yet) - but no other update than that at the moment
16:07 davidnind #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Documentation_Team#Projects
16:06 davidnind #topic Project updates
16:06 davidnind #action davidnind to look at previous meetings and add any current or still relevant items as tasks to Bugzilla
16:05 davidnind But I will go through the last few (from earlier in 2021 and late 2020) and add any still current or relevant to Bugzilla
16:05 cait1 are we supposed to create them now? :)
16:04 ashimema Action is to make lots of actions
16:04 reiveune bye
16:03 cait1 Fresh start :)
16:03 davidnind There are no action points!
16:03 davidnind #topic Review of action points
16:03 ashimema Reminder came through whilst the was on the school run ;-)
16:03 cait1 I am tempted to send him off to have fun... but worry a little where he'd end up :)
16:02 aude_c ashimema: wondered what you were doing here! ;)
16:02 ashimema :)
16:02 davidnind ashimema: dedicated!
16:01 aude_c #info Aude Charillon, PTFS Europe, UK
16:01 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK (lurking on his day off)
16:01 cait1 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
16:01 aude_c thanks; excited to be here!
16:01 davidnind #info David Nind, New Zealand
16:01 davidnind #topic Introductions
16:01 davidnind great to have you as part of the team!
16:00 davidnind #info Agenda https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_2021-12-16
16:00 aude_c hi davidnind :)
16:00 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_16_december_2021'
16:00 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
16:00 huginn` Meeting started Thu Dec 16 16:00:45 2021 UTC. The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
16:00 davidnind #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 16 December 2021
16:00 davidnind hi aude_c
16:00 davidnind he is awake this time!
15:58 cait1 davidnind: here for the meeting
15:58 * cait1 waves
15:12 * oleonard always looks for "always available" titles to test OverDrive checkouts with
15:12 oleonard Somehow I never knew "The Lair of the White Worm" was a book by Bram Stoker, I thought it was just an absolutely unhinged 1988 movie staring a young Hugh Grant.
15:10 oleonard All good.
15:10 kidclamp heh
15:10 oleonard I was switching back and forth.
15:10 oleonard Oh wait sorry wrong branch
15:08 kidclamp looking
15:08 kidclamp oh, yeah, you shouldn't get that button
15:08 oleonard ...In OverDrive search results
15:08 oleonard I checked out a book and tried to click the "Access online ebook-overdrive" button
15:08 kidclamp hmmm..from where?
15:07 oleonard Uh oh... http://127.0.0.1:8080/cgi-bin/koha/[object%20Object]
15:06 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29706 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , When placing a request on the opac, the user is shown titles they cannot place a hold on
15:06 kidclamp bug 29706 could use your developer eye - I suspect I added a button where a link is better, and also all that html is weird
15:05 kidclamp it's nice to be noticed anyways ;-)
15:05 oleonard Next time I'll just wear a flamboyant hat instead.
15:05 oleonard No, and I thought I had a question but after looking again I guess I don't. I'm making a habit of getting people's attention for no reason.
15:03 kidclamp any issues?
15:03 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29686 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Adapt OverDrive for new fulfillment API
15:03 oleonard I'm looking again at Bug 29686
15:03 kidclamp indeed
15:03 oleonard kidclamp: around?
14:03 cait1 tcohen: still around?
13:52 oleonard Sounds good Joubu I'll test!
13:51 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29648 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Make KohaTable tables 'default length' and 'default sort' configurable
13:51 Joubu oleonard: hope you will like bug 29648 :)
12:48 cait1 I found that IndexedDB doesn't work in private mode/tabs, but we ruled that out for now
12:48 cait1 tcohen: did you encounter the following error in KOCT by chance? (and fixed it...) InvalidStateError: A mutation operation was attempted on a database that did not allow mutations
12:47 cait1 s
12:47 * cait1 wave
12:27 huginn` tcohen: marcelr was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 22 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <marcelr> cait1++
12:27 tcohen @seen marcelr
11:49 ashimema Lol
11:47 Joubu certainly a covid thing again
11:46 cait1 they are using Firefox 95.0
11:45 cait1 anyone has seen a InvalidStateError: A mutation operation was attempted on a database that did not allow mutations error with the KOCT (offline circ) plugin?
11:45 cait1 rangi++
11:38 oleonard Nice
11:37 tcohen rangi++ # SSL on paste
11:37 tcohen rangi++
11:31 tcohen hola #koha
10:28 oleonard o/
09:05 marcelr cait1++
09:04 marcelr cait++
09:04 marcelr rangi++
09:04 marcelr yes great
09:00 cait1 It was an IP for orex.es that has been blocked now
08:59 cait1 it should be recovering now
08:56 cait1 btw new strings on translate
08:56 marcelr great
08:56 cait1 he is on it
08:56 marcelr bad bots
08:56 marcelr well no response yet
08:54 Joubu bug 12345??
08:52 cait1 marcelr: some bots
08:43 * cait1 waves from Germany too :)
08:41 dfliddle mtj: Good morning from Germany, and thank you for the tip given on the ML about libjson-validator-perl. Worked perfectly! Joubu: Thank you again for the help yesterday!
08:40 cait1 I contacted rangi, but not sure, it's already a little late there
08:40 cait1 gateway timeout, I just noticed here too
08:35 marcelr 504
08:35 marcelr bugzilla a bit slow?
07:59 cait good morning #koha
07:51 alex_a Bonjour
07:28 marcelr hi #koha
07:23 reiveune hello
01:40 mtj Joubu: aah, i saw the other ML email from dfliddle, about json-val :)
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