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16:47 oleonard RM says we can all go back to bed!
16:32 * fridolin gooing back to bed :D
16:27 oleonard :)
16:27 oleonard nugged++
16:27 oleonard tuxayo++
16:27 oleonard fridolin++
16:26 reiveune bye
16:24 fridolin nugged: i dont forget Telegram topic. But actually im trainning for pushing in master
16:21 tuxayo Gotta run meeting IRL, see ya all ^^
16:21 nugged (%all mates)++
16:21 tuxayo ^^ yw
16:21 nugged fridolin++
16:21 fridolin much thanks
16:20 fridolin tuxayo++
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16:20 tuxayo #endmeeting
16:20 fridolin hohoho ^^
16:20 tuxayo #info Next meeting: 22 December 2021, 15 UTC
16:20 tuxayo (yes to frido ^^")
16:20 tuxayo yes
16:19 thd Maybe I am confused about the transition.
16:19 fridolin this is a tricky rock-around-the-clock situation, needs discussion
16:18 tuxayo Since it's the same local time (16:00) for mainland France even though there we switched to DST(or the reverse)
16:18 nugged (looks like changed: we have it now 17:00 our time and we had 17:00 before DST change)
16:17 tuxayo It changed actually I think
16:17 tuxayo > Keeping the same UTC time across local time changes
16:17 thd Adjusting for the change in local time recently would be an hour earlier.
16:16 thd Keeping the same UTC time across local time changes does not seem best to me unless the later local time is preferable.
16:16 fridolin thd: you mean wich UTC hour ?
16:16 nugged thd: we're ok to be earlier from Finland if that's help for others
16:16 tuxayo fridolin: ? ↑ since it's the hardest for you. And you will have a few topics
16:15 thd Is the earlier local time preferable to people?
16:15 tuxayo So 22 december 15:00 UTC
16:14 fridolin oleonard: i can manage its ok
16:14 fridolin ok for me
16:14 oleonard fridolin do you want to try changing the time?
16:13 tuxayo Same hour right?
16:13 tuxayo #topic Set time of next meeting
16:13 tuxayo That could allow to get feedback on the mailing list meanwhile
16:12 fridolin yep
16:12 tuxayo fridolin: I would say postpone it due to the lack of quorum ^^"
16:11 fridolin for all its levels
16:11 fridolin maybe add a line on Koha::Logger ?
16:10 tuxayo Joubu missing from it
16:10 tuxayo The list is not up to date actually
16:10 wahanui qa_team is cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, kidclamp, khall, tuxayo, petrova, nugged
16:10 tuxayo qa_team?
16:09 fridolin but for guide lines it may be helpfull
16:08 fridolin i'm not really a developper so i dont fully understand this change
16:08 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28606 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Replace $ENV{DEBUG} and $DEBUG with Koha::Logger->debug
16:08 tuxayo «Should we to add a line for Bug 28606 change ? »
16:08 fridolin Should we to add a line for Bug 28606 change ?
16:08 tuxayo fridolin:
16:08 tuxayo #topic Review of coding guidelines
16:07 tuxayo Since time is running out
16:07 tuxayo Anything urgent?
16:07 tuxayo #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
16:06 tuxayo #action tuxayo KohaCon Process: holiday clash: get more feedback from Indranil Das Gupta about Hindu holidays and change that part
16:06 tuxayo *oops
16:06 tuxayo Ops, didn't reemail Indranil
16:06 tuxayo «tuxayo KohaCon Process: holiday clash: get more feedback from Indranil Das Gupta about Hindu holidays and change that part»
16:06 tuxayo #topic Actions from last meeting
16:06 tuxayo Thanks for the update
16:06 tuxayo With too large version jumps it wouldn't be a surprise to need not always clean and simple understandable fixes. That' just a general though, I don't know how it actually looks like.
16:05 thd That is all at the moment.
16:04 thd I try to skip sleep and fix everything in short spurts but I have too much accumulated sleep loss for that to work since the pandemic has wrecked my time and I work a crazy schedule.
16:02 thd Making something that merely works is a modest task sharing it in a manner that others can understand everything is a bigger task.
16:02 tuxayo anything else to add thd?
16:01 tuxayo ^^
16:01 thd oops I copied your would do into my typing ;)
16:01 thd I will fix that so that text files which could possibly be managed by version control but have never changed from defaults are not obscuring where the real work would do.
16:00 tuxayo thd: don't worry too much I guess, the most direct stuff that ends up working would do
15:59 thd I did the separation of version control / non version control in the most painful way possible for the version history.
15:59 thd Proper testing showed that when I was merely updating code without moving files I missed where some things were not copied.
15:58 tuxayo «Breaking out files for version control of wiki migration into binary or otherwise not tracked broke some things which I had thought were working because I had not moved everything and then run the scripts again.»
15:58 tuxayo so, thd «I am fixing some bugs in the separation of binary and version control which had been hidden by not moving and then complete reinstalling.»
15:57 thd Symlinks were necessarily excluded from wiki migration version control and had been managed outside it.
15:57 tuxayo thd: ah the wiki fit there right?
15:56 thd Yes, fixing symlinks.
15:56 tuxayo Anything else about roadmap projects?
15:56 tuxayo moving on
15:56 tuxayo #action tuxayo forward to fridolin the recent email thread started by Aleisha with the few people that already took a look to recalls.
15:54 fridolin This feature can be turned on/off its a good point
15:53 tuxayo What could be said except the coding guidelines as usual. The rest is specific feedback when actual reviewing could be done on this big patcheset. Right?
15:51 tuxayo would be testing and QAing it to please discuss the best way forward.»
15:51 tuxayo that it can be effectively tested and QAed. So I would like those who
15:51 tuxayo «The code is all there - I need to know how best to format the patches so
15:51 tuxayo There were a few emails about that topic (which lead to the topic ending up here) and here is one from Aleisha:
15:51 fridolin decisions
15:50 fridolin but QA team decivisions first
15:50 tuxayo thd not yet about the wiki ^^
15:50 fridolin i dont yet understand this feature, i will look at it
15:50 thd Breaking out files for version control of wiki migration into binary or otherwise not tracked broke some things which I had thought were working because I had not moved everything and then run the scripts again.
15:49 huginn` Bug 19532: new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, ASSIGNED , Recalls for Koha
15:49 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, ASSIGNED , Recalls for Koha
15:48 tuxayo #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 Bug 19532 - Recalls for Koha
15:48 tuxayo #info Recalls - Aleisha is available over the weeks leading up to Christmas to do whatever it takes to get recalls upstreamed. Please discuss a plan that works for testers/QA team so Aleisha can action.
15:48 tuxayo #topic Status of roadmap projects
15:48 tuxayo so moving on ^^
15:46 tuxayo Does anyone have a message to transmit?
15:46 tuxayo notes left if today's agenda: « David Nind: is having a quick update (either written or at the meeting) something you would like for development meetings? »
15:46 tuxayo ok thanks
15:44 fridolin https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual
15:44 tuxayo There is a gitlab project for the manual and some tickets are open there?
15:43 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29638 minor, P5 - low, ---, david, RESOLVED FIXED, [DOCS] Framework default value for year is not <<YEAR>> but is <<YYYY>>
15:43 fridolin A reminder : Manual fixes are managed in Bugzilla, not gitlab issues. For example Bug 29638
15:43 tuxayo see David's email for more details
15:42 tuxayo #info documentation IRC meeting 9 December 2021, 16:00 UTC
15:41 tuxayo #link https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-docs/2021-December/000271.html
15:41 cait1 sorry - phone call :(
15:41 tuxayo #info David Nind: «the latest update sent to mailing list - intend to send each week to keep everyone informed»
15:41 tuxayo #topic Updates from the documentation team
15:40 tuxayo moving on
15:40 ashimema any other QA news?
15:40 ashimema indeed
15:39 Joubu it's kudos.json that needs to be regenerated
15:39 ashimema but yeah.. it won't help that bottom section... I'll ask rangi to explain how that works.
15:38 ashimema that'll bring the dashboard up to speed
15:38 Joubu yes but it was broken last cycle as well
15:38 ashimema I see.. I'll review and merge your request today Joubu
15:37 ashimema yeah.. that last section needs some attention
15:37 ashimema hmm.. the countdown to next release seems to be broken to me.
15:37 Joubu the last section needs rangi's hands
15:36 Joubu updated*
15:36 tuxayo a counter of the RM's pushes?
15:36 Joubu I've attached the dashboard for 22.05
15:36 ashimema 112 Majors.. that's a little scary
15:36 kidclamp been trying to keep an eye, but not had much time lately
15:36 tuxayo what is that?
15:35 ashimema we need to get the 'Patches pushed for release' updated and working on the dashboard too
15:35 nugged 💪
15:35 ashimema saying that.. I'm still on the leaderboard this month.. which is better than many 😉
15:34 * ashimema is catching up on customer work at the moment so hasn't done much QA yet this cycle
15:33 wahanui hmmm... qa_team is cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, kidclamp, khall, tuxayo, petrova, nugged
15:33 tuxayo qa_team?
15:33 tuxayo #topic Updates from the QA team
15:33 tuxayo moving on
15:33 tuxayo Indeed, it's been 2 or 3 weeks that Wainui's messages on the tickets mention that it's only about security bugs.
15:32 fridolin maybe release only for security updates
15:32 tuxayo Anyone heart something from Wainui?
15:31 tuxayo hum no 19.11 last month. even though there are a few backports on top of the previous release
15:30 tuxayo When they have the chance to have a supported version ^^"
15:29 tuxayo And they aren't upgrading
15:29 fridolin https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences
15:29 fridolin I've looked at HEA there are a lot of 19.11 remaining
15:29 fridolin RIP 20.05.x
15:28 fridolin tuxayo++
15:28 cait1 tuxayo++
15:28 tuxayo but should upgrade asap anyway since it's EOL
15:27 tuxayo #info last 20.05 went well, hopefully all the major regressions due to the recent (few months) security fixes have been found an fixed so people staying on 20.05 wouldn't have major bugs
15:26 wahanui well, rmaints is fridolin, khall, kidclamp, wainui and tuxayo
15:26 tuxayo rmaints?
15:26 tuxayo thd ok, I note that for when the topic will came up again in a few moments
15:25 thd I am fixing some bugs in the separation of binary and version control which had been hidden by not moving and then complete reinstalling.
15:25 fridolin rools
15:25 fridolin started pushing, had some advices from Joubu
15:25 tuxayo first pushes, fridolin++
15:25 fridolin ah juste to say i'm OK
15:25 tuxayo oh
15:25 tuxayo #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
15:25 fridolin about my RM job
15:24 tuxayo good, next ^^
15:24 fridolin ok continue
15:24 fridolin #action fridolin add section to KitchenSink in Hooks wiki page
15:24 thd Yes
15:24 cait1 thx tuxayo :)
15:23 tuxayo ok I note that as topic
15:23 * ashimema listens up
15:23 cait1 any update on the planned wiki update btw?
15:23 tuxayo *you can
15:23 tuxayo fridolin: yes so I don't know was to note. You can #action since you know better than me what to note about this topic ^^
15:23 fridolin not you ^^
15:23 wahanui i already had it that way, fridolin.
15:23 fridolin any help is welcomed
15:22 fridolin i see there are some links already in table but better be a section
15:22 fridolin tuxayo: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Plugin_Hooks
15:22 wahanui rumour has it which page is this
15:22 tuxayo which page?
15:21 fridolin tuxayo: ^
15:21 fridolin I will put a link to KitchenSink in this page
15:20 fridolin and there is a BarcodeTransformer plugin (now fixed)
15:20 fridolin KitchenSink having an example is OK
15:20 fridolin Ah ok indeed its in notes
15:19 ashimema that whole debate was a pain
15:19 fridolin I've added an example in KitchenSink but it's very tricky
15:19 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Replace use of call_recursive() with call()
15:19 Joubu fridolin: see release notes for bug 28211
15:19 oleonard [off] Sorry was afk
15:19 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
15:18 fridolin should we explain in https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Plugin_Hooks ?
15:18 fridolin Hooks for barcode transform are with ref, how to document this ? See https://github.com/bywatersolutions/dev-koha-plugin-kitchen-sink/pull/17
15:18 fridolin ok next
15:17 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Standardize the EXPORT
15:17 tuxayo #action fridolin open a topic for koha-devel about plugins updates about Bug 17600 - Standardize the EXPORT
15:17 fridolin Joubu: ok thanks i just wanted confirmation
15:17 Joubu but the solution and explanation are the same
15:17 Joubu maybe I should have tell explicitely it would affect plugins
15:17 ashimema devs and support companies should be reading those 😉
15:16 ashimema I think that's enough publication
15:16 ashimema it was in the release notes
15:16 ashimema yup
15:16 Joubu it's for subroutines, so it will mainly affect C4 modules
15:16 sta #info Peter (Petro) Vashchuk, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI
15:16 Joubu I tried to explain it correctly in the tech release notes
15:16 fridolin tuxayo: ^
15:16 fridolin its a big subject, I propose I open a mail for koha-devel
15:15 fridolin i bet no
15:15 fridolin About Koha scope, need export when its a ORM object ? like Koha::Patron
15:14 fridolin ah but its more simple
15:14 nugged (we removed C4::Debug at all)
15:14 ashimema plugins are versioned
15:13 nugged which make them die as well
15:13 nugged `C4::Debug` and `$debug`
15:13 nugged even more – I found some older had
15:12 fridolin cait1: in plugins page for start https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Plugin_Hooks
15:12 fridolin ah ok so C4 and Koha scope need update
15:12 cait1 Hm is there a place we could publish information like this? a general wiki dev page or so?
15:11 nugged use Koha::DateUtils qw( dt_from_string );
15:11 nugged many plugins lost compatibility because need to explicitly import like this:
15:11 fridolin like KitchenSink
15:11 Joubu any plugins
15:11 fridolin "third party worldwide plugins"
15:11 nugged this about those "third party worldwide plugins" or our internals?
15:11 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
15:11 Joubu yes, imports need to be checked
15:10 cait1 tcohen: maybe?
15:10 cait1 sorry, no plugin expert
15:10 fridolin anyone confirm ?
15:10 fridolin but home-made libs need to be ajusted on C4 imports
15:09 fridolin I've seen plugins seem OK
15:09 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Standardize the EXPORT
15:09 fridolin Bug 17600 do we need to review all plugins/libs for 21.11 compatibility ?
15:09 ashimema welcome to the RM's club
15:09 nugged we will publish with Petro this tomorrow if no one yet started :)
15:09 nugged here: https://github.com/NatLibFi/Koha/commit/ce56f8760bb8e4e4bebc855e4352d9c564e43760
15:09 nugged oleonard: I have the solution
15:09 nugged "XSLT::Base: Could not create file parser context for file" ...what does this mean when trying to point XSLTDetailsDisplay to a URL?
15:09 tuxayo ^^
15:09 fridolin yep
15:09 * fridolin very proud to be there
15:09 tuxayo #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_8_December_2021 Today's agenda
15:09 fridolin First meeting at this chair
15:08 tuxayo fridolin: you noted some things in the agenda
15:08 tuxayo #topic Update from the Release manager (22.05)
15:07 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
15:07 cait1 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
15:07 thd
15:07 fridolin ahhh good to see you all
15:06 nugged #info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI
15:06 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe, UK
15:06 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
15:06 fridolin nugged: welcome
15:06 wahanui niihau, ashimema
15:06 ashimema hi
15:06 AndrewFH #info Andrew Fuerste-Henry, AndrewFH, ByWater, US
15:06 nugged o/
15:06 wahanui rmaints is fridolin, khall, kidclamp, wainui and tuxayo
15:06 tuxayo rmaints?
15:06 wahanui somebody said qa_team was cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, kidclamp, khall, tuxayo, petrova, nugged
15:06 tuxayo qa_team?
15:06 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, Tahiti
15:05 tuxayo #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo S.A., France
15:05 tuxayo #topic Introductions
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15:05 tuxayo #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 8 December 2021
15:04 fridolin tuxayo: yes please, you save me ;)
15:04 tuxayo fridolin: you don't, I can do it
15:04 cait1 sorry phone call
15:02 fridolin cait1: do I have to lead ? i dont know the correct commands yet sorry
14:59 cait1 yes
14:48 fridolin mmm never seen that
14:47 oleonard "XSLT::Base: Could not create file parser context for file" ...what does this mean when trying to point XSLTDetailsDisplay to a URL?
14:46 AndrewFH howdy howdy
14:45 fridolin https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_8_December_2021
14:44 fridolin cait1: hi, dev meeting right ?
14:44 fridolin oleonard: le bonjour
14:42 oleonard Hi fridolin
14:38 fridolin me again :D
14:38 wahanui hola, fridolin
14:38 fridolin hi there
14:26 Joubu that's helpful
14:25 Joubu + $item->{homebranch} = $item->{homebranch};
12:29 cait1 that was a short visit :)
12:29 oleonard Bye all! (meeting)
12:22 wahanui hi oleopard
12:22 cait1 hi oleonard
11:37 oleonard Hi all
09:31 davidnind Thanks Joubu!
09:23 Joubu davidnind: added the doc meeting to the agenda!
08:25 cait1 morning davidnind
08:23 davidnind hi cait1
08:17 cait1 good morning #koha
07:53 Pavlis hi
07:52 wahanui privet, alex_a
07:52 alex_a Bonjour
07:47 Pavlis Invalid address :(
07:45 fridolin syntax
07:45 fridolin you may have to test, using "Jon Doe <jon.doe@example.com>"
07:44 fridolin Pavlis: I've add a look at perl doc but can not confirm
07:43 Pavlis Anyone here?
07:13 Pavlis Hi, is possible in KohaAdminEmailAddress set sender name. Because i want show sender name in email. Not only email. its ugly
07:08 reiveune hello
06:34 wahanui bonjour, fridolin
06:34 fridolin hi there
00:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master build #1850: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/1850/
00:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #258: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/258/
00:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D12 build #43: SUCCESS in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D12/43/
00:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1836: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1836/