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00:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1836: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1836/
00:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D12 build #43: SUCCESS in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D12/43/
00:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #258: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/258/
00:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master build #1850: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/1850/
06:34 fridolin hi there
06:34 wahanui bonjour, fridolin
07:08 reiveune hello
07:13 Pavlis Hi, is possible in KohaAdminEmailAddress set sender name. Because i want show sender name in email. Not only email. its ugly
07:43 Pavlis Anyone here?
07:44 fridolin Pavlis: I've add a look at perl doc but can not confirm
07:45 fridolin you may have to test, using "Jon Doe <jon.doe@example.com>"
07:45 fridolin syntax
07:47 Pavlis Invalid address :(
07:52 alex_a Bonjour
07:52 wahanui privet, alex_a
07:53 Pavlis hi
08:17 cait1 good morning #koha
08:23 davidnind hi cait1
08:25 cait1 morning davidnind
09:23 Joubu davidnind: added the doc meeting to the agenda!
09:31 davidnind Thanks Joubu!
11:37 oleonard Hi all
12:22 cait1 hi oleonard
12:22 wahanui hi oleopard
12:29 oleonard Bye all! (meeting)
12:29 cait1 that was a short visit :)
14:25 Joubu + $item->{homebranch} = $item->{homebranch};
14:26 Joubu that's helpful
14:38 fridolin hi there
14:38 wahanui hola, fridolin
14:38 fridolin me again :D
14:42 oleonard Hi fridolin
14:44 fridolin oleonard: le bonjour
14:44 fridolin cait1: hi, dev meeting right ?
14:45 fridolin https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_8_December_2021
14:46 AndrewFH howdy howdy
14:47 oleonard "XSLT::Base: Could not create file parser context for file" ...what does this mean when trying to point XSLTDetailsDisplay to a URL?
14:48 fridolin mmm never seen that
14:59 cait1 yes
15:02 fridolin cait1: do I have to lead ? i dont know the correct commands yet sorry
15:04 cait1 sorry phone call
15:04 tuxayo fridolin: you don't, I can do it
15:04 fridolin tuxayo: yes please, you save me ;)
15:05 tuxayo #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 8 December 2021
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15:05 tuxayo #topic Introductions
15:05 tuxayo #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo S.A., France
15:06 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, Tahiti
15:06 tuxayo qa_team?
15:06 wahanui somebody said qa_team was cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, kidclamp, khall, tuxayo, petrova, nugged
15:06 tuxayo rmaints?
15:06 wahanui rmaints is fridolin, khall, kidclamp, wainui and tuxayo
15:06 nugged o/
15:06 AndrewFH #info Andrew Fuerste-Henry, AndrewFH, ByWater, US
15:06 ashimema hi
15:06 wahanui niihau, ashimema
15:06 fridolin nugged: welcome
15:06 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
15:06 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe, UK
15:06 nugged #info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI
15:07 fridolin ahhh good to see you all
15:07 thd
15:07 cait1 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
15:07 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
15:08 tuxayo #topic Update from the Release manager (22.05)
15:08 tuxayo fridolin: you noted some things in the agenda
15:09 fridolin First meeting at this chair
15:09 tuxayo #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_8_December_2021 Today's agenda
15:09 * fridolin very proud to be there
15:09 fridolin yep
15:09 tuxayo ^^
15:09 nugged "XSLT::Base: Could not create file parser context for file" ...what does this mean when trying to point XSLTDetailsDisplay to a URL?
15:09 nugged oleonard: I have the solution
15:09 nugged here: https://github.com/NatLibFi/Koha/commit/ce56f8760bb8e4e4bebc855e4352d9c564e43760
15:09 nugged we will publish with Petro this tomorrow if no one yet started :)
15:09 ashimema welcome to the RM's club
15:09 fridolin Bug 17600 do we need to review all plugins/libs for 21.11 compatibility ?
15:09 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Standardize the EXPORT
15:09 fridolin I've seen plugins seem OK
15:10 fridolin but home-made libs need to be ajusted on C4 imports
15:10 fridolin anyone confirm ?
15:10 cait1 sorry, no plugin expert
15:10 cait1 tcohen: maybe?
15:11 Joubu yes, imports need to be checked
15:11 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
15:11 nugged this about those "third party worldwide plugins" or our internals?
15:11 fridolin "third party worldwide plugins"
15:11 Joubu any plugins
15:11 fridolin like KitchenSink
15:11 nugged many plugins lost compatibility because need to explicitly import like this:
15:11 nugged use Koha::DateUtils qw( dt_from_string );
15:12 cait1 Hm is there a place we could publish information like this? a general wiki dev page or so?
15:12 fridolin ah ok so C4 and Koha scope need update
15:12 fridolin cait1: in plugins page for start https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Plugin_Hooks
15:13 nugged even more – I found some older had
15:13 nugged `C4::Debug` and `$debug`
15:13 nugged which make them die as well
15:14 ashimema plugins are versioned
15:14 nugged (we removed C4::Debug at all)
15:14 fridolin ah but its more simple
15:15 fridolin About Koha scope, need export when its a ORM object ? like Koha::Patron
15:15 fridolin i bet no
15:16 fridolin its a big subject, I propose I open a mail for koha-devel
15:16 fridolin tuxayo: ^
15:16 Joubu I tried to explain it correctly in the tech release notes
15:16 sta #info Peter (Petro) Vashchuk, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI
15:16 Joubu it's for subroutines, so it will mainly affect C4 modules
15:16 ashimema yup
15:16 ashimema it was in the release notes
15:16 ashimema I think that's enough publication
15:17 ashimema devs and support companies should be reading those 😉
15:17 Joubu maybe I should have tell explicitely it would affect plugins
15:17 Joubu but the solution and explanation are the same
15:17 fridolin Joubu: ok thanks i just wanted confirmation
15:17 tuxayo #action fridolin open a topic for koha-devel about plugins updates about Bug 17600 - Standardize the EXPORT
15:17 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Standardize the EXPORT
15:18 fridolin ok next
15:18 fridolin Hooks for barcode transform are with ref, how to document this ? See https://github.com/bywatersolutions/dev-koha-plugin-kitchen-sink/pull/17
15:18 fridolin should we explain in https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Plugin_Hooks ?
15:19 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
15:19 oleonard [off] Sorry was afk
15:19 Joubu fridolin: see release notes for bug 28211
15:19 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Replace use of call_recursive() with call()
15:19 fridolin I've added an example in KitchenSink but it's very tricky
15:19 ashimema that whole debate was a pain
15:20 fridolin Ah ok indeed its in notes
15:20 fridolin KitchenSink having an example is OK
15:20 fridolin and there is a BarcodeTransformer plugin (now fixed)
15:21 fridolin I will put a link to KitchenSink in this page
15:21 fridolin tuxayo: ^
15:22 tuxayo which page?
15:22 wahanui rumour has it which page is this
15:22 fridolin tuxayo: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Plugin_Hooks
15:22 fridolin i see there are some links already in table but better be a section
15:23 fridolin any help is welcomed
15:23 wahanui i already had it that way, fridolin.
15:23 fridolin not you ^^
15:23 tuxayo fridolin: yes so I don't know was to note. You can #action since you know better than me what to note about this topic ^^
15:23 tuxayo *you can
15:23 cait1 any update on the planned wiki update btw?
15:23 * ashimema listens up
15:23 tuxayo ok I note that as topic
15:24 cait1 thx tuxayo :)
15:24 thd Yes
15:24 fridolin #action fridolin add section to KitchenSink in Hooks wiki page
15:24 fridolin ok continue
15:24 tuxayo good, next ^^
15:25 fridolin about my RM job
15:25 tuxayo #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
15:25 tuxayo oh
15:25 fridolin ah juste to say i'm OK
15:25 tuxayo first pushes, fridolin++
15:25 fridolin started pushing, had some advices from Joubu
15:25 fridolin rools
15:25 thd I am fixing some bugs in the separation of binary and version control which had been hidden by not moving and then complete reinstalling.
15:26 tuxayo thd ok, I note that for when the topic will came up again in a few moments
15:26 tuxayo rmaints?
15:26 wahanui well, rmaints is fridolin, khall, kidclamp, wainui and tuxayo
15:27 tuxayo #info last 20.05 went well, hopefully all the major regressions due to the recent (few months) security fixes have been found an fixed so people staying on 20.05 wouldn't have major bugs
15:28 tuxayo but should upgrade asap anyway since it's EOL
15:28 cait1 tuxayo++
15:28 fridolin tuxayo++
15:29 fridolin RIP 20.05.x
15:29 fridolin I've looked at HEA there are a lot of 19.11 remaining
15:29 fridolin https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences
15:29 tuxayo And they aren't upgrading
15:30 tuxayo When they have the chance to have a supported version ^^"
15:31 tuxayo hum no 19.11 last month. even though there are a few backports on top of the previous release
15:32 tuxayo Anyone heart something from Wainui?
15:32 fridolin maybe release only for security updates
15:33 tuxayo Indeed, it's been 2 or 3 weeks that Wainui's messages on the tickets mention that it's only about security bugs.
15:33 tuxayo moving on
15:33 tuxayo #topic Updates from the QA team
15:33 tuxayo qa_team?
15:33 wahanui hmmm... qa_team is cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, kidclamp, khall, tuxayo, petrova, nugged
15:34 * ashimema is catching up on customer work at the moment so hasn't done much QA yet this cycle
15:35 ashimema saying that.. I'm still on the leaderboard this month.. which is better than many 😉
15:35 nugged 💪
15:35 ashimema we need to get the 'Patches pushed for release' updated and working on the dashboard too
15:36 tuxayo what is that?
15:36 kidclamp been trying to keep an eye, but not had much time lately
15:36 ashimema 112 Majors.. that's a little scary
15:36 Joubu I've attached the dashboard for 22.05
15:36 tuxayo a counter of the RM's pushes?
15:36 Joubu updated*
15:37 Joubu the last section needs rangi's hands
15:37 ashimema hmm.. the countdown to next release seems to be broken to me.
15:37 ashimema yeah.. that last section needs some attention
15:38 ashimema I see.. I'll review and merge your request today Joubu
15:38 Joubu yes but it was broken last cycle as well
15:38 ashimema that'll bring the dashboard up to speed
15:39 ashimema but yeah.. it won't help that bottom section... I'll ask rangi to explain how that works.
15:39 Joubu it's kudos.json that needs to be regenerated
15:40 ashimema indeed
15:40 ashimema any other QA news?
15:40 tuxayo moving on
15:41 tuxayo #topic Updates from the documentation team
15:41 tuxayo #info David Nind: «the latest update sent to mailing list - intend to send each week to keep everyone informed»
15:41 cait1 sorry - phone call :(
15:41 tuxayo #link https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-docs/2021-December/000271.html
15:42 tuxayo #info documentation IRC meeting 9 December 2021, 16:00 UTC
15:43 tuxayo see David's email for more details
15:43 fridolin A reminder : Manual fixes are managed in Bugzilla, not gitlab issues. For example Bug 29638
15:43 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29638 minor, P5 - low, ---, david, RESOLVED FIXED, [DOCS] Framework default value for year is not <<YEAR>> but is <<YYYY>>
15:44 tuxayo There is a gitlab project for the manual and some tickets are open there?
15:44 fridolin https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual
15:46 tuxayo ok thanks
15:46 tuxayo notes left if today's agenda: « David Nind: is having a quick update (either written or at the meeting) something you would like for development meetings? »
15:46 tuxayo Does anyone have a message to transmit?
15:48 tuxayo so moving on ^^
15:48 tuxayo #topic Status of roadmap projects
15:48 tuxayo #info Recalls - Aleisha is available over the weeks leading up to Christmas to do whatever it takes to get recalls upstreamed. Please discuss a plan that works for testers/QA team so Aleisha can action.
15:48 tuxayo #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 Bug 19532 - Recalls for Koha
15:49 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, ASSIGNED , Recalls for Koha
15:49 huginn` Bug 19532: new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, ASSIGNED , Recalls for Koha
15:50 thd Breaking out files for version control of wiki migration into binary or otherwise not tracked broke some things which I had thought were working because I had not moved everything and then run the scripts again.
15:50 fridolin i dont yet understand this feature, i will look at it
15:50 tuxayo thd not yet about the wiki ^^
15:50 fridolin but QA team decivisions first
15:51 fridolin decisions
15:51 tuxayo There were a few emails about that topic (which lead to the topic ending up here) and here is one from Aleisha:
15:51 tuxayo «The code is all there - I need to know how best to format the patches so
15:51 tuxayo that it can be effectively tested and QAed. So I would like those who
15:51 tuxayo would be testing and QAing it to please discuss the best way forward.»
15:53 tuxayo What could be said except the coding guidelines as usual. The rest is specific feedback when actual reviewing could be done on this big patcheset. Right?
15:54 fridolin This feature can be turned on/off its a good point
15:56 tuxayo #action tuxayo forward to fridolin the recent email thread started by Aleisha with the few people that already took a look to recalls.
15:56 tuxayo moving on
15:56 tuxayo Anything else about roadmap projects?
15:56 thd Yes, fixing symlinks.
15:57 tuxayo thd: ah the wiki fit there right?
15:57 thd Symlinks were necessarily excluded from wiki migration version control and had been managed outside it.
15:58 tuxayo so, thd «I am fixing some bugs in the separation of binary and version control which had been hidden by not moving and then complete reinstalling.»
15:58 tuxayo «Breaking out files for version control of wiki migration into binary or otherwise not tracked broke some things which I had thought were working because I had not moved everything and then run the scripts again.»
15:59 thd Proper testing showed that when I was merely updating code without moving files I missed where some things were not copied.
15:59 thd I did the separation of version control / non version control in the most painful way possible for the version history.
16:00 tuxayo thd: don't worry too much I guess, the most direct stuff that ends up working would do
16:01 thd I will fix that so that text files which could possibly be managed by version control but have never changed from defaults are not obscuring where the real work would do.
16:01 thd oops I copied your would do into my typing ;)
16:01 tuxayo ^^
16:02 tuxayo anything else to add thd?
16:02 thd Making something that merely works is a modest task sharing it in a manner that others can understand everything is a bigger task.
16:04 thd I try to skip sleep and fix everything in short spurts but I have too much accumulated sleep loss for that to work since the pandemic has wrecked my time and I work a crazy schedule.
16:05 thd That is all at the moment.
16:06 tuxayo With too large version jumps it wouldn't be a surprise to need not always clean and simple understandable fixes. That' just a general though, I don't know how it actually looks like.
16:06 tuxayo Thanks for the update
16:06 tuxayo #topic Actions from last meeting
16:06 tuxayo «tuxayo KohaCon Process: holiday clash: get more feedback from Indranil Das Gupta about Hindu holidays and change that part»
16:06 tuxayo Ops, didn't reemail Indranil
16:06 tuxayo *oops
16:06 tuxayo #action tuxayo KohaCon Process: holiday clash: get more feedback from Indranil Das Gupta about Hindu holidays and change that part
16:07 tuxayo #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
16:07 tuxayo Anything urgent?
16:07 tuxayo Since time is running out
16:08 tuxayo #topic Review of coding guidelines
16:08 tuxayo fridolin:
16:08 fridolin Should we to add a line for Bug 28606 change ?
16:08 tuxayo «Should we to add a line for Bug 28606 change ? »
16:08 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28606 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Replace $ENV{DEBUG} and $DEBUG with Koha::Logger->debug
16:08 fridolin i'm not really a developper so i dont fully understand this change
16:09 fridolin but for guide lines it may be helpfull
16:10 tuxayo qa_team?
16:10 wahanui qa_team is cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, kidclamp, khall, tuxayo, petrova, nugged
16:10 tuxayo The list is not up to date actually
16:10 tuxayo Joubu missing from it
16:11 fridolin maybe add a line on Koha::Logger ?
16:11 fridolin for all its levels
16:12 tuxayo fridolin: I would say postpone it due to the lack of quorum ^^"
16:12 fridolin yep
16:13 tuxayo That could allow to get feedback on the mailing list meanwhile
16:13 tuxayo #topic Set time of next meeting
16:13 tuxayo Same hour right?
16:14 oleonard fridolin do you want to try changing the time?
16:14 fridolin ok for me
16:14 fridolin oleonard: i can manage its ok
16:15 tuxayo So 22 december 15:00 UTC
16:15 thd Is the earlier local time preferable to people?
16:16 tuxayo fridolin: ? ↑ since it's the hardest for you. And you will have a few topics
16:16 nugged thd: we're ok to be earlier from Finland if that's help for others
16:16 fridolin thd: you mean wich UTC hour ?
16:16 thd Keeping the same UTC time across local time changes does not seem best to me unless the later local time is preferable.
16:17 thd Adjusting for the change in local time recently would be an hour earlier.
16:17 tuxayo > Keeping the same UTC time across local time changes
16:17 tuxayo It changed actually I think
16:18 nugged (looks like changed: we have it now 17:00 our time and we had 17:00 before DST change)
16:18 tuxayo Since it's the same local time (16:00) for mainland France even though there we switched to DST(or the reverse)
16:19 fridolin this is a tricky rock-around-the-clock situation, needs discussion
16:19 thd Maybe I am confused about the transition.
16:20 tuxayo yes
16:20 tuxayo (yes to frido ^^")
16:20 tuxayo #info Next meeting: 22 December 2021, 15 UTC
16:20 fridolin hohoho ^^
16:20 tuxayo #endmeeting
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16:20 fridolin tuxayo++
16:21 fridolin much thanks
16:21 nugged fridolin++
16:21 tuxayo ^^ yw
16:21 nugged (%all mates)++
16:21 tuxayo Gotta run meeting IRL, see ya all ^^
16:24 fridolin nugged: i dont forget Telegram topic. But actually im trainning for pushing in master
16:26 reiveune bye
16:27 oleonard fridolin++
16:27 oleonard tuxayo++
16:27 oleonard nugged++
16:27 oleonard :)
16:32 * fridolin gooing back to bed :D
16:47 oleonard RM says we can all go back to bed!