Time  Nick                  Message
23:32 tuxayo                mtj around? Are you ok to continue packaging for next cycle?
23:30 koha-jenkins          Project Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest build #703: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest/703/
23:30 wahanui               Congratulations!
23:30 koha-jenkins          Yippee, build fixed!
22:55 tuxayo                well, in the record detail page I see the image and below it I see the loading spinner still there. Forever.
22:50 tuxayo                oops read to fast the next message, you actually solved it
22:50 huginn`               tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
22:50 tuxayo                @later tell cait works for me
21:43 tuxayo                bye!
21:43 tcohen                bye all!
21:43 tcohen                tomorrow, now clocking out
21:43 tcohen                let me know if I can help you as well
21:42 tuxayo                So I'll go back to testing other's bugs. It's more fun ^^
21:42 tuxayo                tcohen: ok :) I'm postponing my hold rules checker for next cycle, I can't get a club hold test finished quick enough. I hope Selenium 4 will help.
21:40 huginn`               Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29275 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , issuehistory.pl is very slow when there are many historical issues
21:40 tcohen                tuxayo: eyes on bug 29275 and friends are welcome. it is hurting sites with thousands of checkouts on bibs
21:27 tuxayo                I'll try
21:27 tuxayo                > turn on local covers and upload one from images tab in staff detail gives me a 500
20:37 cait                  ok, my PERL5LIB in koha-httpd.conf was missing the lib directory... not sure if that's because of kohadevbox or because something is missing for new installs?
20:22 cait                  i think this is related to my devbox not being aware of CGI::Session::Serialize::yamlxs... or it not being there
20:14 cait                  Joubu: still around?
20:12 cait                  turn on local covers and upload one from images tab in staff detail gives me a 500
20:12 cait                  hm someone still here and could try something on master?
18:54 tuxayo                lol we will have oldoldoldoldstable next cycle.
18:00 wahanui               what's up, fridolin
18:00 fridolin              hi there
15:29 koha-jenkins          Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #205: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/205/
15:27 reiveune              bye
15:24 koha-jenkins          Project Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest build #702: UNSTABLE in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest/702/
15:23 tcohen                fridolin++
15:23 tcohen                Joubu++
15:23 tcohen                cait++
15:18 tuxayo                indeed ^^"
15:18 oleonard              Oh no everyone disappeared
15:17 ashimema              community++
15:16 fridolin              see you
15:16 ashimema              cait++
15:16 ashimema              Nice one
15:15 oleonard              I have a question about Mana before everyone disappears... You can search Mana for a subscription, but it looks like you can't do anything from there?
15:15 tuxayo                ^o^
15:14 fridolin              long live the community
15:14 fridolin              i'm very proud to where it
15:14 * fridolin            👑
15:13 fridolin              Joubu: oki thanks
15:13 tuxayo                fridolin++
15:13 cait                  yep, good effort
15:13 Joubu                 fridolin: I'll let you schedule a meeting for the handover
15:12 nugged                🤗
15:12 tuxayo                Thanks a lot to those who reached people last minute to fill the wiki page
15:12 thd                   cait++
15:12 cait                  it felt... familiar... good old times heh :)
15:12 caroline_crazycatlady all++
15:12 tuxayo                Thanks all, cait++
15:12 caroline_crazycatlady cait++
15:12 Joubu                 cait++
15:12 fridolin              cait++
15:12 oleonard              cait++
15:12 oleonard              Thank you very much for chairing cait
15:12 huginn`               Log:            https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_20_october_2021.2021-10-20-14.00.log.html
15:12 huginn`               Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_20_october_2021.2021-10-20-14.00.txt
15:12 huginn`               Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_20_october_2021.2021-10-20-14.00.html
15:12 huginn`               Meeting ended Wed Oct 20 15:12:20 2021 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:12 cait                  #endmeeting
15:12 cait                  cya in January! ;)
15:12 fridolin              nugged: thanks you are great
15:12 cait                  good meeting everyone!
15:11 cait                  almost in time
15:11 nugged                fridolin: looking forward to chat more one day too – you'd have our assistance from Finland :) 🤝
15:11 Joubu                 :)
15:11 cait                  you said general! :)
15:11 cait                  #info Next meeting: 12 January 2022, 14 UTC
15:11 Joubu                 #info Next meeting: 12 January 2022, 14 UTC
15:11 cait                  oh
15:11 cait                  what did i do?
15:11 Joubu                 next meet
15:11 Joubu                 no
15:11 cait                  #info Next General meeting: 12 January 2022, 14 UTC
15:11 Joubu                 #info Next meeting: 12 January 2022, 14 UTC
15:11 Joubu                 general
15:10 Joubu                 ha
15:10 Joubu                 #info Next meeting: X November 2021, 14 UTC
15:10 cait                  January 12 14 utc
15:10 cait                  I always get that wrong
15:10 cait                  Joubu: can you help me with the next meeting bit?
15:10 fridolin              ^^
15:10 tuxayo                ok!
15:10 cait                  tuxayo: in frido's proposal
15:10 oleonard              fridolin: I hope Joubu's iron fist fits you.
15:10 Joubu                 I'll let you schedule a meeting for the handover
15:10 cait                  i'll have to figure out when that is here actually
15:10 tuxayo                the time plan?
15:10 fridolin              big step for me
15:10 cait                  hope that works out for you
15:10 cait                  i like the time plan, it was a little worry
15:09 cait                  you'll need it! ;)
15:09 fridolin              Thanks a lot
15:09 Joubu                 good luck fridolin!
15:09 cait                  #agreed The release team as stated on the wiki at this time was elected.
15:09 tuxayo                🎉
15:09 * fridolin            clap clap
15:09 tuxayo                !confetti
15:09 oleonard              *whew*
15:09 wahanui               o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
15:09 cait                  confetti!
15:09 cait                  we got a release team!
15:09 Joubu                 Rocío and Rocio
15:09 huginn`               yes (13): Joubu, cait, oleonard, ashimema, tuxayo, kidclamp, fridolin, tcohen, caroline_crazycatlady, nugged, petrova, thd, kellym
15:09 huginn`               Voted on "Do you agree with the Release Team for 22.05 as stated on the wiki?" Results are
15:09 cait                  #endvote
15:09 cait                  you are drifting off
15:09 cait                  ok
15:08 caroline_crazycatlady that makes two ;)
15:08 caroline_crazycatlady There is one Rocio at bywater I think
15:08 tuxayo                PerplexedTheta welcome! ^^
15:08 fridolin              hi Jake
15:08 caroline_crazycatlady Hi Jake!
15:08 cait                  k
15:08 cait                  only one i thin
15:08 oleonard              Two Rocios?
15:08 cait                  nice to meet you!
15:08 PerplexedTheta        Just picked this one up - I'm Jake (Hi!)
15:08 * cait                loves new persons
15:07 caroline_crazycatlady another new person! :D
15:07 cait                  giving it a litttle bit more time
15:07 tcohen                I added our Rocio to the Doc team, be gentle with the newbie please
15:07 petrova               #vote yes
15:06 Joubu                 :)
15:06 Joubu                 not enough :
15:06 ashimema              [off] ballet run, brb
15:06 cait                  Joubu: he is QA
15:06 thd                   #vote yes
15:06 Joubu                 #vote yes
15:06 kellym                #vote yes
15:06 tuxayo                #vote yes
15:06 nugged                #vote yes
15:06 Joubu                 we should add marcelr somewhere
15:06 ashimema              #vote yes
15:06 caroline_crazycatlady #vote yes
15:06 fridolin              #vote yes
15:06 tcohen                #vote yes
15:06 cait                  #vote yes
15:06 kidclamp              #vote yes
15:06 oleonard              #vote yes
15:06 cait                  just vote so we get this done with please ;)
15:05 huginn`               Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
15:05 huginn`               Begin voting on: Do you agree with the Release Team for 22.05 as stated on the wiki? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, .
15:05 cait                  #startvote Do you agree with the Release Team for 22.05 as stated on the wiki? (yes, no, abstain)
15:05 jzairo                thanks you
15:05 oleonard              ashimema: two whips??
15:05 marcelr               [off] afk
15:05 cait                  is the wiki page ready?
15:05 cait                  i'd be ready to start the vote
15:04 * ashimema            hopes to bring at least two to hackfest
15:04 oleonard              ashimema should share his whip-cracking skills at the next in-person gathering
15:04 ashimema              we lost 3 this year too though 😉
15:04 tuxayo                congrats, send welcome to all 3! :D
15:04 caroline_crazycatlady good for you! :D
15:03 ashimema              that's two out of the three new hires 😉
15:03 marcelr               if you say so
15:03 caroline_crazycatlady lots of new names in PTFS-E
15:03 * ashimema            isn't a bully.. honest
15:03 ashimema              Jake has lots of Wiki experience so wants to lend a hand there under my guidance 😉
15:03 Joubu                 PTFS-e in force
15:03 caroline_crazycatlady i thought she was with biblibre :)
15:03 fridolin              oui c'est le cas
15:03 ashimema              I meant to introduce them but it was a bit of a rush this morning 😉
15:02 ashimema              it is 😉
15:02 caroline_crazycatlady Aude sounds like a french name
15:02 ashimema              Aude is going to shadow Lucy on docs.. pick up how it works and start contributing (and intends to help write a advent post about it)
15:02 ashimema              as is Aude
15:02 tcohen                bernardo complained we collisioned
15:02 ashimema              Jake is one of ours
15:02 Joubu                 Aude as well?
15:01 wahanui               two are relatively straight forward ,and I've talked about them before in other forums (only 10 min each)
15:01 ashimema              two?
15:01 oleonard              There are Two Jakes?
15:01 Joubu                 Wiki team member
15:01 cait                  which jake?
15:01 Joubu                 Who's Jake?
15:01 cait                  jzairo: to get you started later: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Chairing_meetings
15:01 fridolin              "it's a trap"
15:01 Joubu                 added
15:00 cait                  that's the plan :)
15:00 oleonard              And afterwards we will tell him he forgot that he put himself down for the job
15:00 cait                  i'll prepare the vote statement
15:00 Joubu                 if we are not all editing the page at the same time
15:00 cait                  Joubu: will you? ;)
14:59 * cait                is very happy to see that QA has heads!
14:59 ashimema              agreed
14:59 marcelr               mtj++
14:59 Joubu                 I am sure he forgot
14:59 Joubu                 put mtj
14:59 cait                  heh
14:59 * tcohen              thinks we should volunteer eythian
14:59 Joubu                 thx jzairo!
14:58 cait                  that leaves packaging as the next urgent?
14:58 cait                  ok, i see we also got a translation manager
14:58 tcohen                I volunteer to help with CI/CD of the manuals on this new server
14:58 cait                  thx!
14:58 jzairo                I can update the wiki now!
14:58 cait                  jzairo: can you add yourself to wiki or do you want us to do it?
14:58 ashimema              we can shift the manuals easily enough
14:58 cait                  the issue with website is it also runs the manuals
14:58 ashimema              you'll do a much better job than i did jzairo 🙂
14:58 tcohen                it has 15.5GB of spare RAM
14:57 caroline_crazycatlady jzairo++
14:57 ashimema              oh nice one 🙂
14:57 tcohen                that is only running the API docs right now
14:57 cait                  quck, sign her up!
14:57 cait                  jzairo++
14:57 ashimema              share the load and help Liz
14:57 tcohen                I provided a big server for running community things
14:57 ashimema              how aobut 'website mainters'
14:57 cait                  #info Koha needs more heads for districuting hats
14:57 jzairo                I’d be happy to help fill the role for IRC meeting facilitator
14:57 cait                  not more hats, more heads!
14:57 oleonard              I can help maintain the web site if folks can get me set up.
14:57 fridolin              we need more heads
14:56 ashimema              I've also helped with website over the years and have access..
14:56 marcelr               winter comes
14:56 * ashimema            needs less hats too
14:56 * cait                needs less hats
14:56 ashimema              we have had new volunteers for website work before.. but they never managed to actually take over
14:56 cait                  ... and doing permission updates for translators
14:56 tuxayo                ashimema: thanks for clarification. yes, no risk of contention I think.
14:56 Joubu                 otherwise he would have told us I think
14:56 cait                  like listings for the support providers
14:56 cait                  i've been making some updates on content
14:55 Joubu                 mtj will certainly continue as packager manager
14:55 cait                  her infrastructure i think
14:55 cait                  she is running the website
14:55 oleonard              Is Liz Rea currently website maintainer?
14:55 ashimema              but bernardo keeps it ticking along
14:55 marcelr               solved
14:55 ashimema              would be nice to have some new blood in translations
14:55 tcohen                he's in
14:55 ashimema              yup
14:55 Joubu                 Bernardo is always late for the role
14:55 cait                  tcohen: do you know? call him? heh
14:55 tcohen                he's typing his answer on WhatsApp
14:55 ashimema              'contention' - meaning 'nobody would be upset at people volunteering later.. we'd all likely vote them in'
14:55 cait                  i haven' theard about him stopping, he might just have missed the wiki page
14:54 cait                  or agree to meet again in a week
14:54 marcelr               does bernardo stop?
14:54 cait                  i think having a vote and then appointing them more iformally maybe?
14:54 cait                  but the first 2 are crucial
14:54 tuxayo                same confusion for me ^^ «contention about volunteers»
14:54 cait                  irc meeting
14:54 cait                  packaging team
14:54 cait                  The big gaps are tranlation manager
14:54 marcelr               tcohen++
14:54 tcohen                I added myself to CI
14:54 cait                  contention?
14:53 thd                   Can we draft anyone now quickly  for empty roles?
14:53 cait                  sorry, can you rephrase?
14:53 oleonard              Can we continue with a team vote even though there are gaps? I don't think there would be any contention about volunteers after a vote.
14:53 cait                  so, any other questions for roles/volunteers?
14:53 tuxayo                ok
14:53 fridolin              sure
14:53 cait                  #action tuxayo to add LTS to next dev meetings agenda
14:52 marcelr               yes
14:52 cait                  can we postpone LTS discussion to dev meeting?
14:52 fridolin              you cant go to an instable between
14:52 ashimema              more QA people, less maintainers
14:52 cait                  maybe step by step?
14:52 fridolin              sure, Ubuntu for example you must jump from old LTS to new LTS
14:52 * ashimema            thinks if we're going LTS we should reduce the number of other stables we support
14:52 cait                  but i don't think a database change is likely for now - we will see
14:51 cait                  hm we might want to discourage jumping to 20.05.. yeah
14:51 tuxayo                20.05.x is dropped, that's all
14:51 tuxayo                But we could say that's ok
14:51 tuxayo                if 19.11.x get a DB change next cycle, then it would work if and instance move to 20.05.x afterwards
14:51 tuxayo                > our database updates are idempotent for a while
14:51 cait                  #info Please check the discussion on a LTS version of Koha in the security improvements thread on koha-devel
14:50 cait                  so that shoudl not hurt updates
14:50 Joubu                 first ML, this email should get more attention, also about the other questions/suggestions
14:50 cait                  or shoudl be
14:50 cait                  our database updates are idempotent for a while
14:50 cait                  it shoudl not
14:49 cait                  or ... mailingl ist of course
14:49 tuxayo                It kinda forbids 19.11.x => 20.05.x upgrade but hopefully it's not needed
14:49 oleonard              https://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org/msg12593.html
14:49 cait                  ok, but then we shoudl remove it and have a discussion about LTS next dev?
14:49 fridolin              i think we should avoid working on 20.05, we can have a gap
14:49 cait                  she knows the version, has everything set up, they offer to continue - makes sense for me
14:49 tuxayo                Right, actually that doesn't block anything technically, does it?
14:49 tuxayo                > so maybe having the 'hole' is ok ?
14:49 cait                  heh
14:48 Joubu                 security improvements topic
14:48 Joubu                 koha-devel
14:48 * ashimema            sees no email from chris
14:48 Joubu                 ofc
14:48 cait                  so maybe having the 'hole' is ok ?
14:48 Joubu                 we won't call it LTS until we have a more global discussion, but yes, that would be a plan
14:48 cait                  it' sgoing to be our first LTS possibly
14:47 tuxayo                ok, I'll see
14:47 cait                  i don't think they offer for themselves
14:47 Joubu                 yes, it's on the list
14:47 cait                  See rangi's mail from yesterday
14:47 tuxayo                oops, there is a hole in the RMaint proposals. I would say Wainui can still RMaint 20.05.x and have an in-house 19.11.x if catalyst needs it. But I forgot to ask.
14:47 cait                  yes
14:47 ashimema              is Wainui really going to continue supporting 19.11?
14:47 marcelr               caroline_crazycatlady++
14:47 Joubu                 dev install in English!
14:46 caroline_crazycatlady #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon22_Proposals
14:46 cait                  yes, missing roles we also need to discuss
14:46 cait                  and if there are any questions about candidates, we should deal with that now
14:46 marcelr               we miss packgaging and translation ?
14:46 cait                  ok, first thing: I'd like to vote for the whole "list" togehter, but not if there is a veto
14:46 cait                  #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_22.05 Roles for 22.05
14:45 cait                  #topic Elections / Roles for 22.05
14:45 fridolin              yup
14:45 cait                  moving on? :)
14:45 cait                  great
14:45 cait                  #agreed The January meeting will be held on 14 UTC, later meeting times to be decided
14:44 ashimema              yup
14:44 cait                  will be an hour earlier then I think here... daylight savings
14:44 cait                  14:00 UTC  ok?
14:44 cait                  as a starting point?
14:44 cait                  what was today?
14:44 cait                  #action cait to set a reminder about sending a reminder emai for next general IRC and adding drafts for things
14:43 cait                  i'll set a reminder
14:43 cait                  and ask people to supply their suggestions beforehand
14:43 thd                   cait++
14:43 cait                  we could make it a first topic
14:43 marcelr               rotate 8 or 12 hours ?
14:43 ashimema              sounds good to me
14:43 cait                  and then move on from there?
14:43 cait                  can we decide on the time for hte next meeting in Janaury?
14:43 cait                  i think this is too big
14:42 cait                  times
14:42 cait                  closing in
14:42 thd                   ... something other than the first Wednesday in genral.
14:42 cait                  #agreed Date is the second Wednesday of a month
14:42 fridolin              second is better
14:42 thd                   I prefer something other than the first Wednesday.
14:42 marcelr               greater
14:41 cait                  then maybe second wednesday
14:41 cait                  or is that bad for january?
14:41 marcelr               great
14:41 cait                  first Wednesday each month?
14:41 cait                  we are getting closer
14:41 cait                  #agreed General meetings will be held April, July, Oktober, January
14:40 thd                   Joubu: If two of four meetings are considered non-critical and very poorly attended, we may yet have two meetings per year.
14:40 fridolin              +1
14:40 marcelr               yes
14:40 oleonard              April, July, October, & January sounds good to me.
14:40 cait                  ok with months?
14:40 tuxayo                yes ^^"
14:40 cait                  better to maybe rotate times... and less often gives it maybe more importance
14:40 cait                  i think if we mainly hold elections and use it for community decisons twice a day won't work well
14:39 cait                  April, July, Oktober, Janury
14:38 marcelr               and the time zones
14:38 cait                  that would be
14:38 cait                  is one month before release early enough for team vote?
14:38 cait                  ok, next is when
14:38 cait                  #agreed General IRC meetings to be held quarterly / 4 times a year
14:38 huginn`               4 (10): cait, oleonard, ashimema, marcelr, kidclamp, fridolin, tcohen, nugged, thd, kellym
14:38 huginn`               2 (1): Joubu
14:38 huginn`               Voted on "How many general meeetings should we hold annually?" Results are
14:38 cait                  #endvote
14:38 tuxayo                It's just that I don't know what to pick so I leave it to you folks
14:38 cait                  closing vote....
14:37 nugged                #vote 4
14:37 tcohen                #vote 4
14:37 cait                  i'll give you another moment
14:37 kidclamp              #vote 4
14:37 tuxayo                no worries :P
14:37 kellym                #vote 4
14:36 cait                  i forgot abstain
14:36 cait                  oh sorry
14:36 tuxayo                I know!
14:36 huginn`               tuxayo: abstain is not a valid option. Valid options are , 12, 4, 2, .
14:36 tuxayo                #vote abstain
14:36 marcelr               #vote 4
14:36 fridolin              #vote 4
14:36 ashimema              #vote 4
14:36 cait                  #vote 4
14:36 Joubu                 #vote 2
14:36 thd                   #vote 4
14:36 oleonard              #vote 4
14:35 thd                   I am concerned that we are excluding people but the second meeting times became so little attended that they may not have been thought worthwhile by attendees.
14:35 tuxayo                KohaCon, Election, the number of meeting
14:35 ashimema              perhaps we should stick to monthly but only hold them if there's a minimum number of agenda items to cover?
14:35 cait                  only for info
14:35 Joubu                 discuss the date and time of the next meeting
14:35 marcelr               the number of meetings lol
14:35 cait                  i think 2 in a day are not really great for elections
14:35 * ashimema            asks the question.. what are we discussing at these meetings
14:35 huginn`               Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:35 huginn`               Begin voting on: How many general meeetings should we hold annually? Valid vote options are , 12, 4, 2, .
14:35 cait                  #startvote How many general meeetings should we hold annually? (12, 4, 2)
14:35 oleonard              No, two meetings in the day?
14:34 marcelr               no
14:34 tuxayo                oh ok
14:34 tuxayo                twice the same day at different hours?
14:34 oleonard              Alternating when the meeting is
14:34 tuxayo                2 time per meeting?
14:34 marcelr               +1
14:34 fridolin              good idea
14:33 kidclamp              if 4 per year, should we return to 2 time per meeting? so all times zones can attend?
14:33 cait                  one month before release and 3 months in between?
14:33 cait                  also... elections
14:33 cait                  i thnk with kohacon in mind 4 is minimum
14:33 marcelr               timezones..
14:33 ashimema              I think 12 per year is just too many and means none are well attended
14:32 ashimema              with the option of adding ad-hoc ones as required
14:32 tuxayo                #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Processes_for_KohaCons
14:32 ashimema              4 per year
14:32 koha-jenkins          Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #320: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/320/
14:32 ashimema              I was coming around to once a quarter
14:32 marcelr               when will they be ?
14:32 cait                  i linked earlier, sec
14:32 cait                  would be quarterly or bi-monthly be an idea?
14:32 tuxayo                which is the KohaCon process page ?
14:32 cait                  I am not too happy about 2 per year, but could do with less
14:32 ashimema              🙂
14:32 cait                  #topic Vote about rescheduled General IRC meetings
14:31 cait                  #info There were no actions (that will change)
14:31 cait                  #topic Actions from last meeting
14:31 tuxayo                ok
14:31 cait                  #action ALL suggestions for changes to KohaCon process page until next meeting
14:30 tuxayo                Yes, with christian related countries. We could ask the proposal to avoid (even when changing afterwards) these dates + Chinese new year and the most relevant ones for Islam related countries. (Ramadan ?)
14:30 tuxayo                > the chosen dates are such a clash with holidays
14:30 caroline_crazycatlady I'll do it right away, otherwise i'll forget
14:30 cait                  moving on?
14:30 cait                  #action cait hands over to caroline_crazycatlady, but offers proof reading/help
14:30 caroline_crazycatlady lol
14:30 * cait                immedately hands over to caroline_crazycatlady
14:30 thd                   If we vote to have fewer general meetings some issues may need to be raised in a developer's meeting even if that is to schedule a general meeting or kohacon meeting etc.
14:30 caroline_crazycatlady Ican copy the 2021 page if no one else can
14:30 cait                  #action cait to put up a bidding for KohaCon22 draft page
14:30 marcelr               cait++
14:29 cait                  i can try to put up a draft... and then ask for feedback on IRC?
14:29 cait                  and I am still lookign for someone to put up bidding page :)
14:28 marcelr               yeah that would be expected
14:28 cait                  we don't have a council or anything you could address
14:28 cait                  especially if we vote to have less general meetings
14:28 cait                  what channel/who shoudl they communicate to?
14:28 cait                  i think we had a requirement to sent a representative to IRC meetings
14:28 fridolin              indeed ^^
14:28 fridolin              #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France
14:28 cait                  4am?
14:27 cait                  thx for being here so early actually :)
14:27 fridolin              hi sorry late
14:27 cait                  #idea would it be possible that companies help providing technical equipment/help for streaming if required?
14:27 ashimema              we should perhaps make that clear.. if you're offering to organise the conference you don't have to do it entirely in a vacuum.. ask for help 😉
14:27 cait                  #info Discussion: hybrid/recording - optional or required?
14:26 ashimema              X sponsored the videoconferencing this year.. for example.. so I don't think it should be seen as a blocker
14:26 cait                  it's a good thought
14:26 ashimema              regarding hybrid approach.. I think we as a community should be able to support that even if the organising group cannot.. there are some fairly big companies here who I'm sure could contribute technologies required if needed.
14:25 thd                   We do not know about excessive spam prevention measures in email.  Sometimes, the telephone is useful when other means are insufficient.
14:25 ashimema              Agreed about changes... it's not really a community conference at this point to me.. the date change is huge and the lack of communication throughout doesn't really mean I think of it as koha-community at all.
14:25 cait                  #info Discussion: withhold support from a conference if they are not responsive to communication after the bid has been accepted (support being publicity, mostly)
14:24 thd                   Yes, communication is paramount.
14:24 cait                  and that the chosen dates are such a clash with holidays
14:24 oleonard              I wonder if we could say that we would withhold support from a conference if they are not responsive to communication after the bid has been accepted (support being publicity, mostly)
14:24 cait                  thd: it hink the main issue is the lack of information
14:23 tuxayo                Still worth pushing for hybrid IMHO
14:23 thd                   Changes create a real problem for people planning to attend but I also remember venue availability problems for the organisers.
14:23 tuxayo                Indeed including attendants that can't travel might exclude some organizer than can't take the addition workload.
14:23 cait                  recording maybe as an alternative option?
14:23 cait                  if oly one volunteer a little harder if it's not a requirement i guess
14:23 cait                  if we get more than one bid it could well influence the outcome
14:22 oleonard              But I would like to have hybrid be a requirement.
14:22 oleonard              My only hesitation about requiring hybrid is that it might exclude some folks who lack the resources for it.
14:22 thd                   Every conference should be hybrid if it can be irrespective of pandemics.
14:21 cait                  we could put something about having to inform community about major changes to bid
14:21 cait                  #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Processes_for_KohaCons Processes for KohaCons
14:21 thd                   The pandemic is not yet expected to be significantly over next year for worldwide vaccination levels.  Maybe less of a concern for the rich world.
14:21 cait                  https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Processes_for_KohaCons
14:21 cait                  maybe as an action for next meeting we could check over the processes page and update our gudielines?
14:20 marcelr               [off] tcohen always wins
14:20 cait                  (other than me preferrably?)
14:20 cait                  woudl someone volunteeer to put up a bidding draft?
14:19 ashimema              agreed
14:19 tcohen                hah
14:19 tcohen                no, marcelr. we will we through this victoriously
14:19 ashimema              but it certainly adds a challenge for the organisors
14:19 caroline_crazycatlady I agree it should at least be streamed or recorded
14:19 cait                  +1
14:19 tuxayo                +1
14:19 ashimema              I think it's nice to have the hybrid option
14:19 marcelr               isnt hybrid here to stay?
14:19 cait                  it enables people to attend that couldn't otherwise... so I'd like if we made a strong notion for streaming
14:19 cait                  I think we all hope to travel again in 2022... but shoudl we keep hybrid as an option for the bidding?
14:18 cait                  harsh :(
14:18 ashimema              neither got a response
14:18 ashimema              Yup, I asked by email and twitter about the date change
14:17 oleonard              If they completely changed the dates who knows what else they changed.
14:17 cait                  but asking woudl be good, I didn't receive a reply on Twitter
14:17 cait                  it's uspposed to be in November too...
14:17 tuxayo                I'll ask for confirmation
14:17 tuxayo                *hybrib
14:17 tuxayo                So it's suposed to be hybric
14:17 cait                  1) are we still aiming for a hybrid one 2022?
14:17 ashimema              good point
14:16 tuxayo                «Venue: National Library of Pakistan (Both In person and Online) »
14:16 cait                  Maybe some questions:
14:16 cait                  #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon21_Proposals KohaCon21 bidding page
14:16 cait                  as a reference
14:15 cait                  so people get a bit of time for planning...
14:15 cait                  I think it's already time again
14:15 cait                  I am not sure but I might have added that one
14:15 cait                  #topic KohaCon22 bidding process
14:15 cait                  moving on
14:15 cait                  it might be the last updates for a version
14:15 tuxayo                thanks
14:15 cait                  true
14:15 cait                  #action tuxayo to check on pushing the release dates to 27th to give translators chance to catch up
14:15 tuxayo                As it's the last release of this cycle
14:14 tuxayo                so it will be a week from now
14:14 cait                  ok
14:14 tuxayo                I'll ask the RMaint if the 27th is ok
14:14 koha-jenkins          Project Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest build #701: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest/701/
14:14 cait                  and then make sure it works out normally next release?
14:14 cait                  if we could inform them tonight i think 2 days would probably be ok
14:13 tuxayo                just because the 23th was a saturday
14:13 cait                  hm although, weekend, not sure
14:13 tuxayo                the 25th
14:13 cait                  25th might still be ok
14:13 cait                  when is it planned for?
14:13 tuxayo                so no postponing the release?
14:13 cait                  ok, moving on?
14:13 cait                  thx tuxayo :)
14:13 cait                  #info Translators: keep an eye out for new strings showing up tonight or tomororw
14:13 tuxayo                #action tuxayo send a new call for translators after the Pootle sync is finished
14:12 tuxayo                ok, it's WIP
14:12 Joubu                 the script is currently running, it will take several hours
14:12 cait                  i am not sure, it was quite a bit for 21.05, but I am not quite done yet
14:11 cait                  my guess is if nothing shows up they just assume it's done already
14:11 tuxayo                Should there be new strings for other releases as well?
14:11 cait                  no tusre how fast it will be fixed, but maybe worth another email to translators
14:11 tuxayo                It's scheduled for around the 25h, is that enough?
14:11 cait                  about 500 strings
14:10 cait                  is that worth pushing release a little?
14:10 cait                  so far only strings for 21.05 appeared for de-DE
14:10 tuxayo                thanks cait for noticing that and digging
14:10 tuxayo                nothing to report for 20.05.x
14:09 cait                  #info While we are in string freeze the strings weren't updated yet due to technical issues for the next versions
14:09 Joubu                 #info 21.11 Feature freeze is end of next week!
14:09 cait                  ah maybe
14:09 cait                  you know who you are, any updates?
14:08 khall                 #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
14:08 ashimema              personally.. as it's over xmas week here I won't be able to attend online or in person
14:08 wahanui               rmaints is fridolin, khall, kidclamp, wainui and tuxayo
14:08 cait                  rmaints?
14:08 cait                  #topic Update on releases
14:08 cait                  let's move on
14:08 cait                  good chance to improve on process
14:08 ashimema              yup, it was indeed tuxayo
14:08 tuxayo                yes!
14:08 cait                  tuxayo: yes, but we need to make that maybe a little stronger?
14:07 cait                  hi kidclamp ;)
14:07 tuxayo                I think in was in the call for candidatures, to be hybrid
14:07 kidclamp              #info Nick Clemens
14:07 Joubu                 would be good to point it to Michael for the monthly newsletter
14:07 ashimema              and it wasn't to me personally.. it was to the company info address
14:07 ashimema              it was marked as spam for me Joubu
14:07 cait                  maybe only to possible sponsors?
14:07 Joubu                 I don't think I received the email
14:07 cait                  moving on?
14:06 cait                  it's unfortunate - maybe somethign to discuss for the bidding process later today
14:06 ashimema              as I've not managed to get any feedback from them at all I think we can only assume it's in person only
14:06 koha-jenkins          Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #204: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/204/
14:06 cait                  does someone know if it#s hybrid / online only registration possible?
14:06 ashimema              mostly calling for sponsors looking at it.
14:05 cait                  #info Kohacon21 registrations are open at  https://kohacon2021.org/registration/
14:05 ashimema              it ended up in my spam
14:05 tuxayo                Indeed https://kohacon2021.org/registration/
14:05 ashimema              I think an invitation to attend email went out last week
14:05 cait                  tuxayo: I haven't seen much, but I thought registration was open
14:04 caroline_crazycatlady XD
14:04 ashimema              🍻
14:04 cait                  #info Joubu has started brewing again
14:04 tuxayo                any recent news about the KohaCon?
14:04 tcohen                JOubu++
14:04 Joubu                 I've started brewing again
14:04 cait                  Any announcements? Please just speak up now, I will info
14:03 cait                  #topic Announcements
14:03 caroline_crazycatlady [off] mosquitos city lol!
14:03 cait                  ok moving on!
14:02 petrova               #info Peter (Petro) Vashchuk, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI
14:02 cait                  It's been a little while, so have some patience with me :)
14:02 Joubu                 #info Jonathan Druart, Mosquitos City
14:02 caroline_crazycatlady #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro, Quebec, Canada
14:02 tuxayo                #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Corporation, France
14:01 ashimema              #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK
14:01 huginn`               Current chairs: ashimema cait
14:01 cait                  #chair ashimema
14:01 thd                   #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:01 cait                  #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:01 nugged                #info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI
14:01 cait                  Please intoduce yourself using #info!
14:01 cait                  #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_20_October_2021 Today's agenda
14:01 oleonard              #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
14:01 kellym                #info Kelly McElligott, ByWater Solutions
14:01 marcelr               #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, The Netherlands
14:01 tcohen                #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions, Cordoba, Argentina
14:01 cait                  #topic Introductions
14:00 huginn`               The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_20_october_2021'
14:00 huginn`               Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:00 huginn`               Meeting started Wed Oct 20 14:00:56 2021 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 cait                  #startmeeting General IRC meeting 20 October 2021
14:00 cait                  fasten your seat belts...
14:00 kellym                a
14:00 marcelr               that is a facilitator :)
14:00 * tcohen              prepares the champagne
13:59 cait                  one more minute!
13:58 ashimema              I totally failed at it this time so wasn't going to step up
13:58 cait                  maybe good to ask around in a moment in the meeting?
13:58 Joubu                 I won't chair and update the wiki page next cycle
13:58 Joubu                 We need a IRC meeting facilitator, or at least somebody else to take over me
13:56 cait                  oh hey :)
13:56 ashimema              wonder if poor fridolin woke up
13:56 ashimema              aloha
13:56 wahanui               qa_team is probably cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, kidclamp, khall, tuxayo, petrova, nugged
13:56 tuxayo                qa_team?
13:55 wahanui               rmaints is fridolin, khall, kidclamp, wainui and tuxayo
13:55 tuxayo                rmaints?
13:55 tcohen                Joubu++
13:55 Joubu                 (q param)
13:55 tuxayo                meeting in 5 min!
13:55 Joubu                 tcohen: yes, please
13:54 ashimema              thanks 🙂
13:54 ashimema              good a reason as any
13:53 oleonard              The intention was to put relevant content higher on the page
13:53 ashimema              it doesn't really matter.. I just wondered why we did it this way.
13:53 ashimema              but generally html pages are built left to right top to bottom in my experience..
13:52 ashimema              semantic probably isn't the best name
13:52 ashimema              fair
13:52 oleonard              ashimema: Because I didn't think putting the menu at the top was the correct order. I'm not sure how you define "semantic" here.
13:51 tcohen                If the RM approves, I will file a bug and submit the patch
13:50 ashimema              is there a reason we generally put the left menu div's at the bottom and use col-sm-pull to position them rather than just putting them at the top in semantic order?
13:50 ashimema              but..
13:50 ashimema              I've never really pondered it before
13:50 oleonard              Yes
13:49 ashimema              oleonard around?
13:48 huginn`               tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
13:48 tuxayo                @later tell mtj oops sorry for the time you spent investigating that. I forgot to tell that our test suite was going to break when Selenium 4 is shipped by default. I let that happen to have an alarm for when v4 is mature enough so we can switch to it. I opened and took bug 29285 for that.
13:47 ashimema              I've also been doing it on an ad-hoc basis but it would be lovely to be able to just say 'it works for all cases' in the docs
13:46 * ashimema            would absolutely love to see that happen
13:46 tcohen                I've been doing it as-needed, but a global approach should really be done
13:46 tcohen                Joubu: can I add the q param to all missing routes in master for 21.11?
13:46 tcohen                I think we need to add the q= parameter to that route
13:45 tcohen                https://api.koha-community.org/21.05.html#tag/vendors
13:45 tcohen                sure
13:45 oleonard              I'm working in master and thinking about autocomplete for vendors on the subscription add page
13:45 tcohen                Koha version?
13:44 tcohen                err, I think so
13:44 oleonard              tcohen: Can you use the API to search for a vendor by  name?
13:34 tuxayo                hi :)
13:31 tcohen                the MariaDB server it uses, is set with a primary/replica setup. It seems there was a problem with the replica, and thus the binarylogs filled the disk. That's why the automatic runs were failing as well
13:29 cait                  maybe that's why the automatism didn't work either?
13:28 cait                  Joubu++ bgkriegel++
13:28 cait                  Joubu: thank you!
13:27 huginn`               Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, Needs Signoff , Recalls for Koha
13:27 * oleonard            is unhappy with the bad feelings associated with Bug 19532
13:23 tcohen                he's doing some cleanup
13:23 tcohen                he says the mysql binlogs fill the disk
13:21 tcohen                bgkriegel is trying to solve it
13:21 tcohen                nkg
13:20 Joubu                 cait: server is running out of disk space again, trying to reach Bernardo via Tomas
13:14 Joubu                 cait: temporarily fixed
13:13 * PerplexedTheta      waves back. Remembering how to use IRC again!
13:10 * magnuse             waves to PerplexedTheta from norway
13:05 PerplexedTheta        Yes - thanks for letting us into the Wiki, and hello IRC :-)
13:02 marcelr               right
13:02 ashimema              i certainly see the parallels
13:02 marcelr               current holds logic
13:01 marcelr               no the first is the winner
13:01 ashimema              for that period?
13:01 ashimema              do you only allow one hold on an item at a time?
13:00 ashimema              no escaping community now
13:00 marcelr               i need this book in the readingroom between date A and B
13:00 ashimema              awesome.. looks like you already let my colleagues in to the wiki 🙂
13:00 ashimema              cait still around?
13:00 marcelr               we are already used dates for the holds a bit like bookings
12:59 ashimema              so they deliver the collection to the school at the beggining of term and then collect it again at the end.
12:59 marcelr               interesting
12:59 ashimema              for context.. this customer actually loans whole collections out to schools for entire terms
12:58 marcelr               ah we'll find you another book, dont worry, haha
12:58 ashimema              you vacate the room at the end of your stay.. you don't just decide to stay longer
12:58 ashimema              like a hotel room booking
12:58 ashimema              no extensions
12:58 ashimema              no renewals
12:58 ashimema              but a booking is more of a contract than a loan
12:57 ashimema              then you have a problem
12:57 marcelr               not returned in time
12:57 marcelr               meaning what about if the item is still unavailable for the booking ?
12:57 marcelr               when you pull to the left, the guarantee is over
12:56 ashimema              ?
12:56 marcelr               when you buy an older car..
12:56 marcelr               ashimema: guarantee until the corner, do you know that?
12:56 cait                  translation no longer possible :(
12:56 ashimema              bookings is guaranteed dates.. no queue
12:56 cait                  MISCONF Redis is configured to save RDB snapshots, but is currently not  able to persist on disk. Commands that may modify the data set are  disabled. Please check Redis logs for details about the error.
12:56 cait                  there is an error
12:56 cait                  Joubu: we might have an issue: https://translate.koha-community.org/de/
12:56 ashimema              holds is a queue
12:55 ashimema              yup
12:54 cait                  like booking rooms
12:54 cait                  a guarantee that the item will be there and available for a certain time slot
12:54 cait                  marcelr: i think you hit the nail on the head :)
12:54 ashimema              We'll see how it goes
12:53 ashimema              Anyways
12:53 ashimema              Because I didn't want to challenge or re-writing holds
12:53 ashimema              I wanted to attack it as entirely fresh/new..green pastures
12:52 ashimema              Indeed
12:52 Joubu                 marie-luce: Hey, did you see my comment about the patron's notes?
12:51 marcelr               lots of fun when holds, article requests, recalls and bookings come together !
12:50 marcelr               yeah it seems so but together with a guarantee
12:48 Joubu                 isn't it just a hold with a specific status?
12:48 marcelr               i just did not know what a booking should be, ashimema
12:47 marcelr               ah loan slots interesting
12:46 huginn`               Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29002 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , Add ability to book items ahead of time
12:46 marcelr               bug 29002
12:46 ashimema              Thats all on the cards.. I should write a clear spec but it's kinda evolving as the customer keeps changing their mind
12:46 ashimema              Similar kind of limits to holds too.. like how many bookings in a period different user may make
12:45 ashimema              That and bib Vs item level.. that's a real mind breaker at the moment
12:45 ashimema              Opac side is in the works.. hardest bit is working out how to expose it nicely .
12:45 cait                  i think opac side and branch limit would maybe be logical additions later
12:44 cait                  understandable
12:44 ashimema              Right now I've not tied it in with circ rules at all... Aim is to do so,bl but our customer is single branch and the deadline is crazy tight to show them the minimum
12:44 cait                  we are just in migration so a little early to make them testers, but maybe a little later
12:44 cait                  ok, that's waht I'll answer them then
12:43 ashimema              There's loads more on my local Dev branch Cait.. wahts posted was just a taster to show it's started
12:42 cait                  still looking for someone to help with wiki?
12:42 cait                  oh i just came into the right discussion it looks like?
12:41 cait                  29002
12:41 cait                  is it correct that the first patches don't allow limiting by branch or making bookins from opac?
12:40 cait                  ashimema: i have someone asking for your booking feature :)
12:32 ashimema              Queues Vs Date periods.. are they different enough.. in my case
12:31 ashimema              Thats all still work in progress though
12:31 ashimema              It's funny.. with my current bookings work I've come at it could completely fresh.. but I'm not drawing loads of comparisons with holds and wondering if I've made the same mistake myself
12:29 ashimema              'a lot of water gone under the bridge'.. i.e. things have moved on.. forget the past and move on too.. sorta thing
12:29 marcelr               very short
12:29 marcelr               you said that it should be based on reserves and not next to it
12:29 ashimema              Oh, is that another English term that doesn't translate
12:28 ashimema              Can't remember what I said, but I do remember trying really hard to help it move forward but getting blocked at every turn
12:28 marcelr               under the bridge?
12:28 ashimema              A massive amount has gone under the bridge on that bug..
12:26 marcelr               :)
12:26 marcelr               on that report
12:26 marcelr               ashimema: you made a good comment some time ago
12:22 ashimema              I won't be.. not enough time and if rather see the ByWater plugin submitted really
12:15 huginn`               Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, Needs Signoff , Recalls for Koha
12:15 marcelr               any people testing bug 19532 while it still applies ??
12:03 Joubu                 I don't know. It should only be available if the library translated their notices
11:57 tcohen                Joubu: should it be always enabled?
11:55 oleonard              Thanks Joubu I hadn't seen that before.
11:54 Joubu                 oleonard: lang for a patron can be set from the edit patron form when TranslateNotices is turned on
11:52 oleonard              Hi tcohen
11:51 tcohen                hi all
11:41 oleonard              Under what circumstances is borrowers.lang set?
11:34 oleonard              I would personally run on the hamster wheel that keeps splitter going if that would help
11:16 marcelr               hi #koha
11:05 Joubu                 but there is a %newdata vs %data in the .pl that needs attention
11:05 Joubu                 then patron.$attr in the template
11:05 Joubu                 oleonard: we should use patron that is passed at the end of the script
10:42 oleonard              Joubu? ^^
10:37 oleonard              $template->param( borrower => %data ); ?
10:33 Joubu                 shouldn't be hard, but tedious
10:32 oleonard              So the solution is to fix that line...and then rewrite most of the template :(
10:29 Joubu                 different page however :)
10:29 Joubu                 same problem, same error, same cause
10:29 Joubu                 oleonard: see also 28768
10:29 oleonard              Ah, so it's overwritten
10:28 Joubu                 that (bad) line
10:28 Joubu                 816 $template->param(%data);
10:27 Joubu                 because we are passing vars to the template using lang => borrowers.lang
10:27 Joubu                 [2021/10/20 10:26:54] [WARN] File not found : default/js/locale_data.js at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/Template/Plugin/Asset.pm line 84.
10:27 Joubu                 it's linked with the warning in the log
10:27 Joubu                 oleonard: yes, I reported that somewhere, maybe not on its own bug
10:26 huginn`               Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26244 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Move translatable strings out of memberentrygen.tt and into JavaScript
10:26 oleonard              (discovered when trying to revive bug 26244)
10:25 oleonard              What's strange is that I see this problem on two versions of the same page: When adding a patron, the lang variable is correct. When editing a patron it isn't.
10:23 oleonard              jajm around?
10:23 oleonard              If we load localization data using this check: [% IF lang && lang != 'en' %] ... Nothing will get loaded even if the interface isn't English
10:22 oleonard              I discovered a bug with our JS-driven translation in the staff client...sometimes the "lang" variable ends up being "default"
10:18 oleonard              Hi #koha
09:45 tundunf               hello!
09:40 wahanui               cait around is cait cait1 cait2 cait3 cait4 cait5
09:40 ashimema              cait around?
09:39 Joubu                 cait
09:38 ashimema              anyone know who OK wiki join requests these days?
09:19 koha-jenkins          Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #151: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/151/
09:05 magnuse               cait: nah, they use marc 21
08:54 Joubu                 then search for "MARC21Languages.xsl"
08:54 Joubu                 misc/translator/po/sv-SE-marc-MARC21.po
08:52 cait                  I am nto sure which po file they are in
08:52 cait                  magnuse: hm could it be a NORMARC/MARC thing?
08:52 cait                  https://translate.koha-community.org/de/
08:52 cait                  yes, we got strings there
08:51 cait                  checking now
08:49 magnuse               i guess the weird thing was they were not translted in a swedish setup, and i thought they were pretty complete, but i guess they are not
08:49 Joubu                 cait: de-DE for 21.05 has been updated, can you confirm?
08:47 magnuse               heh yeah
08:47 cait                  although first time translation of all those languages was quite a task
08:47 cait                  it is special... because it works really nicely :)
08:47 magnuse               dunno why i thought there was something dpecial going on there
08:47 cait                  he script is to update the xslt with new language codes - so you don't usually need that
08:46 magnuse               ah ok, thanks Joubu and cait
08:46 cait                  there is an include to translate these and a script that updates them
08:46 magnuse               hehe
08:46 cait                  they show up in the po files, you don't need to do anything
08:46 cait                  sorry, capslock
08:46 cait                  argh
08:46 cait                  magnuse: NOPE
08:43 Joubu                 the way to translate xsl files in 'en' should be the usual translation process (po)
08:40 magnuse               i just found the list of languages in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21Languages.xsl am i right in thinking that the way to translate this is to add the codes with translated names to the LANG authorized value category?
08:39 * ashimema            is really hopeing beyond hope that we get a wiki upgrade next cycle
08:39 ashimema              I wasn't aware of that
08:39 ashimema              thanks mtj
08:39 ashimema              i see
08:39 mtj                   ashimema: there is a long running perldocs cronjob on the wiki server, that needs nice-ing
08:36 Joubu                 yep, just seen that. thx
08:33 mtj                   Joubu: setting selenium to v3 in docker, gives us a workaround for now...
08:29 mtj                   great to see that tuxayo has already spotted the problem
08:29 mtj                   https://github.com/teodesian/Selenium-Remote-Driver/issues/452#issuecomment-852257114
08:28 mtj                   we may have to wait a while, until it is fixed
08:27 mtj                   https://github.com/teodesian/Selenium-Remote-Driver/issues/452
08:27 mtj                   looks like there is some problems with Selenium::Remote::Driver and selenium v4
08:25 mtj                   Joubu: yep, im trying to fix the selenium failures
08:24 mtj                   hey folks
08:23 fridolin1             its on the menu :)
08:21 ashimema              may have to move the meetings times around a bit next cycle aye fridolin1
08:21 ashimema              yikes
08:21 huginn`               Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27378 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Signed Off , Enable compliance with EU Cookie Legislation via cookie consent
08:21 ashimema              no-one interested in bug 27378 ?
08:13 fridolin1             it will be 4am for me ^^
08:13 fridolin1             see you at meeting later
08:13 fridolin1             hi there
08:12 ashimema              the wiki is soooo slow these days
07:58 Joubu                 It's very slow, it will take hours
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07:46 cait                  I have a meeting in a few minutes, but I can check again after
07:46 ashimema              we should document it all some time
07:46 ashimema              and I struggle to remember how it all fits together
07:45 ashimema              must admit, every time I look at this stuff, things seem to have changed
07:45 cait                  Joubu++
07:45 cait                  yes, thank you
07:45 ashimema              thanks Joubu
07:45 ashimema              awesome
07:45 Joubu                 ashimema: I am on it
07:45 cait                  German is usually complete, so a good one to check https://translate.koha-community.org/de/
07:44 ashimema              coolios
07:44 ashimema              that's where I would expect to see this stuff
07:44 ashimema              there's not much in the cron
07:44 cait                  to manually start
07:44 cait                  I think Joubu did something now
07:43 ashimema              I have access to the translate server.. but not sure what needs doing
07:43 cait                  morning ashimema
07:43 ashimema              mornin' #koha:matrix.org
07:42 cait                  if the automatism is broken, we need to check on it
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07:41 cait                  not sure if it was last or the month before
07:41 cait                  i'd say the same, but we had issues another month too
07:38 Joubu                 Knowing him, I am pretty sure there is a script and he does not do it manually every month
07:37 Joubu                 cait: is it usually manually done by Bernardo?
07:24 cait                  or there are really no string changes... but I am not sure that's liley, line changes move strings too and change the files
07:24 cait                  to explain... we are in string freeze, but no updates happened yet on Pootle and we are running out of time
07:23 cait                  tuxayo: still not translation updates
07:09 Joubu                 mtj: Are you trying to fix the selenium failures?
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