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07:23 cait tuxayo: still not translation updates 07:24 cait to explain... we are in string freeze, but no updates happened yet on Pootle and we are running out of time 07:24 cait or there are really no string changes... but I am not sure that's liley, line changes move strings too and change the files 07:37 Joubu cait: is it usually manually done by Bernardo? 07:38 Joubu Knowing him, I am pretty sure there is a script and he does not do it manually every month 07:41 cait i'd say the same, but we had issues another month too 07:41 cait not sure if it was last or the month before 07:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U16 build #122: SUCCESS in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U16/122/ 07:42 cait if the automatism is broken, we need to check on it 07:43 ashimema mornin' #koha:matrix.org 07:43 cait morning ashimema 07:43 ashimema I have access to the translate server.. but not sure what needs doing 07:44 cait I think Joubu did something now 07:44 cait to manually start 07:44 ashimema there's not much in the cron 07:44 ashimema that's where I would expect to see this stuff 07:44 ashimema coolios 07:45 cait German is usually complete, so a good one to check https://translate.koha-community.org/de/ 07:45 Joubu ashimema: I am on it 07:45 ashimema awesome 07:45 ashimema thanks Joubu 07:45 cait yes, thank you 07:45 cait Joubu++ 07:45 ashimema must admit, every time I look at this stuff, things seem to have changed 07:46 ashimema and I struggle to remember how it all fits together 07:46 ashimema we should document it all some time 07:46 cait I have a meeting in a few minutes, but I can check again after 07:48 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 07:48 wahanui Congratulations! 07:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D12 build #45: FIXED in 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D12/45/ 07:58 Joubu It's very slow, it will take hours 08:12 ashimema the wiki is soooo slow these days 08:13 fridolin1 hi there 08:13 fridolin1 see you at meeting later 08:13 fridolin1 it will be 4am for me ^^ 08:21 ashimema no-one interested in bug 27378 ? 08:21 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27378 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Signed Off , Enable compliance with EU Cookie Legislation via cookie consent 08:21 ashimema yikes 08:21 ashimema may have to move the meetings times around a bit next cycle aye fridolin1 08:23 fridolin1 its on the menu :) 08:24 mtj hey folks 08:25 mtj Joubu: yep, im trying to fix the selenium failures 08:27 mtj looks like there is some problems with Selenium::Remote::Driver and selenium v4 08:27 mtj https://github.com/teodesian/Selenium-Remote-Driver/issues/452 08:28 mtj we may have to wait a while, until it is fixed 08:29 mtj https://github.com/teodesian/Selenium-Remote-Driver/issues/452#issuecomment-852257114 08:29 mtj great to see that tuxayo has already spotted the problem 08:33 mtj Joubu: setting selenium to v3 in docker, gives us a workaround for now... 08:36 Joubu yep, just seen that. thx 08:39 mtj ashimema: there is a long running perldocs cronjob on the wiki server, that needs nice-ing 08:39 ashimema i see 08:39 ashimema thanks mtj 08:39 ashimema I wasn't aware of that 08:39 * ashimema is really hopeing beyond hope that we get a wiki upgrade next cycle 08:40 magnuse i just found the list of languages in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21Languages.xsl am i right in thinking that the way to translate this is to add the codes with translated names to the LANG authorized value category? 08:43 Joubu the way to translate xsl files in 'en' should be the usual translation process (po) 08:46 cait magnuse: NOPE 08:46 cait argh 08:46 cait sorry, capslock 08:46 cait they show up in the po files, you don't need to do anything 08:46 magnuse hehe 08:46 cait there is an include to translate these and a script that updates them 08:46 magnuse ah ok, thanks Joubu and cait 08:47 cait he script is to update the xslt with new language codes - so you don't usually need that 08:47 magnuse dunno why i thought there was something dpecial going on there 08:47 cait it is special... because it works really nicely :) 08:47 cait although first time translation of all those languages was quite a task 08:47 magnuse heh yeah 08:49 Joubu cait: de-DE for 21.05 has been updated, can you confirm? 08:49 magnuse i guess the weird thing was they were not translted in a swedish setup, and i thought they were pretty complete, but i guess they are not 08:51 cait checking now 08:52 cait yes, we got strings there 08:52 cait https://translate.koha-community.org/de/ 08:52 cait magnuse: hm could it be a NORMARC/MARC thing? 08:52 cait I am nto sure which po file they are in 08:54 Joubu misc/translator/po/sv-SE-marc-MARC21.po 08:54 Joubu then search for "MARC21Languages.xsl" 09:05 magnuse cait: nah, they use marc 21 09:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #151: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/151/ 09:38 ashimema anyone know who OK wiki join requests these days? 09:39 Joubu cait 09:40 ashimema cait around? 09:40 wahanui cait around is cait cait1 cait2 cait3 cait4 cait5 09:45 tundunf hello! 10:18 oleonard Hi #koha 10:22 oleonard I discovered a bug with our JS-driven translation in the staff client...sometimes the "lang" variable ends up being "default" 10:23 oleonard If we load localization data using this check: [% IF lang && lang != 'en' %] ... Nothing will get loaded even if the interface isn't English 10:23 oleonard jajm around? 10:25 oleonard What's strange is that I see this problem on two versions of the same page: When adding a patron, the lang variable is correct. When editing a patron it isn't. 10:26 oleonard (discovered when trying to revive bug 26244) 10:26 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26244 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Move translatable strings out of memberentrygen.tt and into JavaScript 10:27 Joubu oleonard: yes, I reported that somewhere, maybe not on its own bug 10:27 Joubu it's linked with the warning in the log 10:27 Joubu [2021/10/20 10:26:54] [WARN] File not found : default/js/locale_data.js at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/Template/Plugin/Asset.pm line 84. 10:27 Joubu because we are passing vars to the template using lang => borrowers.lang 10:28 Joubu 816 $template->param(%data); 10:28 Joubu that (bad) line 10:29 oleonard Ah, so it's overwritten 10:29 Joubu oleonard: see also 28768 10:29 Joubu same problem, same error, same cause 10:29 Joubu different page however :) 10:32 oleonard So the solution is to fix that line...and then rewrite most of the template :( 10:33 Joubu shouldn't be hard, but tedious 10:37 oleonard $template->param( borrower => %data ); ? 10:42 oleonard Joubu? ^^ 11:05 Joubu oleonard: we should use patron that is passed at the end of the script 11:05 Joubu then patron.$attr in the template 11:05 Joubu but there is a %newdata vs %data in the .pl that needs attention 11:16 marcelr hi #koha 11:34 oleonard I would personally run on the hamster wheel that keeps splitter going if that would help 11:41 oleonard Under what circumstances is borrowers.lang set? 11:51 tcohen hi all 11:52 oleonard Hi tcohen 11:54 Joubu oleonard: lang for a patron can be set from the edit patron form when TranslateNotices is turned on 11:55 oleonard Thanks Joubu I hadn't seen that before. 11:57 tcohen Joubu: should it be always enabled? 12:03 Joubu I don't know. It should only be available if the library translated their notices 12:15 marcelr any people testing bug 19532 while it still applies ?? 12:15 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, Needs Signoff , Recalls for Koha 12:22 ashimema I won't be.. not enough time and if rather see the ByWater plugin submitted really 12:26 marcelr ashimema: you made a good comment some time ago 12:26 marcelr on that report 12:26 marcelr :) 12:28 ashimema A massive amount has gone under the bridge on that bug.. 12:28 marcelr under the bridge? 12:28 ashimema Can't remember what I said, but I do remember trying really hard to help it move forward but getting blocked at every turn 12:29 ashimema Oh, is that another English term that doesn't translate 12:29 marcelr you said that it should be based on reserves and not next to it 12:29 marcelr very short 12:29 ashimema 'a lot of water gone under the bridge'.. i.e. things have moved on.. forget the past and move on too.. sorta thing 12:31 ashimema It's funny.. with my current bookings work I've come at it could completely fresh.. but I'm not drawing loads of comparisons with holds and wondering if I've made the same mistake myself 12:31 ashimema Thats all still work in progress though 12:32 ashimema Queues Vs Date periods.. are they different enough.. in my case 12:40 cait ashimema: i have someone asking for your booking feature :) 12:41 cait is it correct that the first patches don't allow limiting by branch or making bookins from opac? 12:41 cait 29002 12:42 cait oh i just came into the right discussion it looks like? 12:42 cait still looking for someone to help with wiki? 12:43 ashimema There's loads more on my local Dev branch Cait.. wahts posted was just a taster to show it's started 12:44 cait ok, that's waht I'll answer them then 12:44 cait we are just in migration so a little early to make them testers, but maybe a little later 12:44 ashimema Right now I've not tied it in with circ rules at all... Aim is to do so,bl but our customer is single branch and the deadline is crazy tight to show them the minimum 12:44 cait understandable 12:45 cait i think opac side and branch limit would maybe be logical additions later 12:45 ashimema Opac side is in the works.. hardest bit is working out how to expose it nicely . 12:45 ashimema That and bib Vs item level.. that's a real mind breaker at the moment 12:46 ashimema Similar kind of limits to holds too.. like how many bookings in a period different user may make 12:46 ashimema Thats all on the cards.. I should write a clear spec but it's kinda evolving as the customer keeps changing their mind 12:46 marcelr bug 29002 12:46 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29002 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , Add ability to book items ahead of time 12:47 marcelr ah loan slots interesting 12:48 marcelr i just did not know what a booking should be, ashimema 12:48 Joubu isn't it just a hold with a specific status? 12:50 marcelr yeah it seems so but together with a guarantee 12:51 marcelr lots of fun when holds, article requests, recalls and bookings come together ! 12:52 Joubu marie-luce: Hey, did you see my comment about the patron's notes? 12:52 ashimema Indeed 12:53 ashimema I wanted to attack it as entirely fresh/new..green pastures 12:53 ashimema Because I didn't want to challenge or re-writing holds 12:53 ashimema Anyways 12:54 ashimema We'll see how it goes 12:54 cait marcelr: i think you hit the nail on the head :) 12:54 cait a guarantee that the item will be there and available for a certain time slot 12:54 cait like booking rooms 12:55 ashimema yup 12:56 ashimema holds is a queue 12:56 cait Joubu: we might have an issue: https://translate.koha-community.org/de/ 12:56 cait there is an error 12:56 cait MISCONF Redis is configured to save RDB snapshots, but is currently not able to persist on disk. Commands that may modify the data set are disabled. Please check Redis logs for details about the error. 12:56 ashimema bookings is guaranteed dates.. no queue 12:56 cait translation no longer possible :( 12:56 marcelr ashimema: guarantee until the corner, do you know that? 12:56 marcelr when you buy an older car.. 12:56 ashimema ? 12:57 marcelr when you pull to the left, the guarantee is over 12:57 marcelr meaning what about if the item is still unavailable for the booking ? 12:57 marcelr not returned in time 12:57 ashimema then you have a problem 12:58 ashimema but a booking is more of a contract than a loan 12:58 ashimema no renewals 12:58 ashimema no extensions 12:58 ashimema like a hotel room booking 12:58 ashimema you vacate the room at the end of your stay.. you don't just decide to stay longer 12:58 marcelr ah we'll find you another book, dont worry, haha 12:59 ashimema for context.. this customer actually loans whole collections out to schools for entire terms 12:59 marcelr interesting 12:59 ashimema so they deliver the collection to the school at the beggining of term and then collect it again at the end. 13:00 marcelr we are already used dates for the holds a bit like bookings 13:00 ashimema cait still around? 13:00 ashimema awesome.. looks like you already let my colleagues in to the wiki 🙂 13:00 marcelr i need this book in the readingroom between date A and B 13:00 ashimema no escaping community now 13:01 ashimema do you only allow one hold on an item at a time? 13:01 ashimema for that period? 13:01 marcelr no the first is the winner 13:02 marcelr current holds logic 13:02 ashimema i certainly see the parallels 13:02 marcelr right 13:05 PerplexedTheta Yes - thanks for letting us into the Wiki, and hello IRC :-) 13:10 * magnuse waves to PerplexedTheta from norway 13:13 * PerplexedTheta waves back. Remembering how to use IRC again! 13:14 Joubu cait: temporarily fixed 13:20 Joubu cait: server is running out of disk space again, trying to reach Bernardo via Tomas 13:21 tcohen nkg 13:21 tcohen bgkriegel is trying to solve it 13:23 tcohen he says the mysql binlogs fill the disk 13:23 tcohen he's doing some cleanup 13:27 * oleonard is unhappy with the bad feelings associated with Bug 19532 13:27 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, Needs Signoff , Recalls for Koha 13:28 cait Joubu: thank you! 13:28 cait Joubu++ bgkriegel++ 13:29 cait maybe that's why the automatism didn't work either? 13:31 tcohen the MariaDB server it uses, is set with a primary/replica setup. It seems there was a problem with the replica, and thus the binarylogs filled the disk. That's why the automatic runs were failing as well 13:34 tuxayo hi :) 13:44 oleonard tcohen: Can you use the API to search for a vendor by name? 13:44 tcohen err, I think so 13:45 tcohen Koha version? 13:45 oleonard I'm working in master and thinking about autocomplete for vendors on the subscription add page 13:45 tcohen sure 13:45 tcohen https://api.koha-community.org/21.05.html#tag/vendors 13:46 tcohen I think we need to add the q= parameter to that route 13:46 tcohen Joubu: can I add the q param to all missing routes in master for 21.11? 13:46 tcohen I've been doing it as-needed, but a global approach should really be done 13:46 * ashimema would absolutely love to see that happen 13:47 ashimema I've also been doing it on an ad-hoc basis but it would be lovely to be able to just say 'it works for all cases' in the docs 13:48 tuxayo @later tell mtj oops sorry for the time you spent investigating that. I forgot to tell that our test suite was going to break when Selenium 4 is shipped by default. I let that happen to have an alarm for when v4 is mature enough so we can switch to it. I opened and took bug 29285 for that. 13:48 huginn` tuxayo: The operation succeeded. 13:49 ashimema oleonard around? 13:50 oleonard Yes 13:50 ashimema I've never really pondered it before 13:50 ashimema but.. 13:50 ashimema is there a reason we generally put the left menu div's at the bottom and use col-sm-pull to position them rather than just putting them at the top in semantic order? 13:51 tcohen If the RM approves, I will file a bug and submit the patch 13:52 oleonard ashimema: Because I didn't think putting the menu at the top was the correct order. I'm not sure how you define "semantic" here. 13:52 ashimema fair 13:52 ashimema semantic probably isn't the best name 13:53 ashimema but generally html pages are built left to right top to bottom in my experience.. 13:53 ashimema it doesn't really matter.. I just wondered why we did it this way. 13:53 oleonard The intention was to put relevant content higher on the page 13:54 ashimema good a reason as any 13:54 ashimema thanks 🙂 13:55 Joubu tcohen: yes, please 13:55 tuxayo meeting in 5 min! 13:55 Joubu (q param) 13:55 tcohen Joubu++ 13:55 tuxayo rmaints? 13:55 wahanui rmaints is fridolin, khall, kidclamp, wainui and tuxayo 13:56 tuxayo qa_team? 13:56 wahanui qa_team is probably cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, kidclamp, khall, tuxayo, petrova, nugged 13:56 ashimema aloha 13:56 ashimema wonder if poor fridolin woke up 13:56 cait oh hey :) 13:58 Joubu We need a IRC meeting facilitator, or at least somebody else to take over me 13:58 Joubu I won't chair and update the wiki page next cycle 13:58 cait maybe good to ask around in a moment in the meeting? 13:58 ashimema I totally failed at it this time so wasn't going to step up 13:59 cait one more minute! 14:00 * tcohen prepares the champagne 14:00 marcelr that is a facilitator :) 14:00 kellym a 14:00 cait fasten your seat belts... 14:00 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 20 October 2021 14:00 huginn` Meeting started Wed Oct 20 14:00:56 2021 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_20_october_2021' 14:01 cait #topic Introductions 14:01 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions, Cordoba, Argentina 14:01 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, The Netherlands 14:01 kellym #info Kelly McElligott, ByWater Solutions 14:01 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA 14:01 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_20_October_2021 Today's agenda 14:01 cait Please intoduce yourself using #info! 14:01 nugged #info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI 14:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 14:01 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 14:01 cait #chair ashimema 14:01 huginn` Current chairs: ashimema cait 14:01 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK 14:02 tuxayo #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Corporation, France 14:02 caroline_crazycatlady #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro, Quebec, Canada 14:02 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, Mosquitos City 14:02 cait It's been a little while, so have some patience with me :) 14:02 petrova #info Peter (Petro) Vashchuk, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI 14:03 cait ok moving on! 14:03 caroline_crazycatlady [off] mosquitos city lol! 14:03 cait #topic Announcements 14:04 cait Any announcements? Please just speak up now, I will info 14:04 Joubu I've started brewing again 14:04 tcohen JOubu++ 14:04 tuxayo any recent news about the KohaCon? 14:04 cait #info Joubu has started brewing again 14:04 ashimema 🻠14:04 caroline_crazycatlady XD 14:05 cait tuxayo: I haven't seen much, but I thought registration was open 14:05 ashimema I think an invitation to attend email went out last week 14:05 tuxayo Indeed https://kohacon2021.org/registration/ 14:05 ashimema it ended up in my spam 14:05 cait #info Kohacon21 registrations are open at https://kohacon2021.org/registration/ 14:06 ashimema mostly calling for sponsors looking at it. 14:06 cait does someone know if it#s hybrid / online only registration possible? 14:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #204: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/204/ 14:06 ashimema as I've not managed to get any feedback from them at all I think we can only assume it's in person only 14:06 cait it's unfortunate - maybe somethign to discuss for the bidding process later today 14:07 cait moving on? 14:07 Joubu I don't think I received the email 14:07 cait maybe only to possible sponsors? 14:07 ashimema it was marked as spam for me Joubu 14:07 ashimema and it wasn't to me personally.. it was to the company info address 14:07 Joubu would be good to point it to Michael for the monthly newsletter 14:07 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens 14:07 tuxayo I think in was in the call for candidatures, to be hybrid 14:07 cait hi kidclamp ;) 14:08 cait tuxayo: yes, but we need to make that maybe a little stronger? 14:08 tuxayo yes! 14:08 ashimema yup, it was indeed tuxayo 14:08 cait good chance to improve on process 14:08 cait let's move on 14:08 cait #topic Update on releases 14:08 cait rmaints? 14:08 wahanui rmaints is fridolin, khall, kidclamp, wainui and tuxayo 14:08 ashimema personally.. as it's over xmas week here I won't be able to attend online or in person 14:08 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 14:09 cait you know who you are, any updates? 14:09 cait ah maybe 14:09 Joubu #info 21.11 Feature freeze is end of next week! 14:09 cait #info While we are in string freeze the strings weren't updated yet due to technical issues for the next versions 14:10 tuxayo nothing to report for 20.05.x 14:10 tuxayo thanks cait for noticing that and digging 14:10 cait so far only strings for 21.05 appeared for de-DE 14:10 cait is that worth pushing release a little? 14:11 cait about 500 strings 14:11 tuxayo It's scheduled for around the 25h, is that enough? 14:11 cait no tusre how fast it will be fixed, but maybe worth another email to translators 14:11 tuxayo Should there be new strings for other releases as well? 14:11 cait my guess is if nothing shows up they just assume it's done already 14:12 cait i am not sure, it was quite a bit for 21.05, but I am not quite done yet 14:12 Joubu the script is currently running, it will take several hours 14:12 tuxayo ok, it's WIP 14:13 tuxayo #action tuxayo send a new call for translators after the Pootle sync is finished 14:13 cait #info Translators: keep an eye out for new strings showing up tonight or tomororw 14:13 cait thx tuxayo :) 14:13 cait ok, moving on? 14:13 tuxayo so no postponing the release? 14:13 cait when is it planned for? 14:13 cait 25th might still be ok 14:13 tuxayo the 25th 14:13 cait hm although, weekend, not sure 14:13 tuxayo just because the 23th was a saturday 14:14 cait if we could inform them tonight i think 2 days would probably be ok 14:14 cait and then make sure it works out normally next release? 14:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest build #701: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest/701/ 14:14 tuxayo I'll ask the RMaint if the 27th is ok 14:14 cait ok 14:14 tuxayo so it will be a week from now 14:15 tuxayo As it's the last release of this cycle 14:15 cait #action tuxayo to check on pushing the release dates to 27th to give translators chance to catch up 14:15 cait true 14:15 tuxayo thanks 14:15 cait it might be the last updates for a version 14:15 cait moving on 14:15 cait #topic KohaCon22 bidding process 14:15 cait I am not sure but I might have added that one 14:15 cait I think it's already time again 14:15 cait so people get a bit of time for planning... 14:16 cait as a reference 14:16 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon21_Proposals KohaCon21 bidding page 14:16 cait Maybe some questions: 14:16 tuxayo «Venue: National Library of Pakistan (Both In person and Online) » 14:17 ashimema good point 14:17 cait 1) are we still aiming for a hybrid one 2022? 14:17 tuxayo So it's suposed to be hybric 14:17 tuxayo *hybrib 14:17 tuxayo I'll ask for confirmation 14:17 cait it's uspposed to be in November too... 14:17 cait but asking woudl be good, I didn't receive a reply on Twitter 14:17 oleonard If they completely changed the dates who knows what else they changed. 14:18 ashimema Yup, I asked by email and twitter about the date change 14:18 ashimema neither got a response 14:18 cait harsh :( 14:19 cait I think we all hope to travel again in 2022... but shoudl we keep hybrid as an option for the bidding? 14:19 cait it enables people to attend that couldn't otherwise... so I'd like if we made a strong notion for streaming 14:19 marcelr isnt hybrid here to stay? 14:19 ashimema I think it's nice to have the hybrid option 14:19 tuxayo +1 14:19 cait +1 14:19 caroline_crazycatlady I agree it should at least be streamed or recorded 14:19 ashimema but it certainly adds a challenge for the organisors 14:19 tcohen no, marcelr. we will we through this victoriously 14:19 tcohen hah 14:19 ashimema agreed 14:20 cait woudl someone volunteeer to put up a bidding draft? 14:20 cait (other than me preferrably?) 14:20 marcelr [off] tcohen always wins 14:21 cait maybe as an action for next meeting we could check over the processes page and update our gudielines? 14:21 cait https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Processes_for_KohaCons 14:21 thd The pandemic is not yet expected to be significantly over next year for worldwide vaccination levels. Maybe less of a concern for the rich world. 14:21 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Processes_for_KohaCons Processes for KohaCons 14:21 cait we could put something about having to inform community about major changes to bid 14:22 thd Every conference should be hybrid if it can be irrespective of pandemics. 14:22 oleonard My only hesitation about requiring hybrid is that it might exclude some folks who lack the resources for it. 14:22 oleonard But I would like to have hybrid be a requirement. 14:23 cait if we get more than one bid it could well influence the outcome 14:23 cait if oly one volunteer a little harder if it's not a requirement i guess 14:23 cait recording maybe as an alternative option? 14:23 tuxayo Indeed including attendants that can't travel might exclude some organizer than can't take the addition workload. 14:23 thd Changes create a real problem for people planning to attend but I also remember venue availability problems for the organisers. 14:23 tuxayo Still worth pushing for hybrid IMHO 14:24 cait thd: it hink the main issue is the lack of information 14:24 oleonard I wonder if we could say that we would withhold support from a conference if they are not responsive to communication after the bid has been accepted (support being publicity, mostly) 14:24 cait and that the chosen dates are such a clash with holidays 14:24 thd Yes, communication is paramount. 14:25 cait #info Discussion: withhold support from a conference if they are not responsive to communication after the bid has been accepted (support being publicity, mostly) 14:25 ashimema Agreed about changes... it's not really a community conference at this point to me.. the date change is huge and the lack of communication throughout doesn't really mean I think of it as koha-community at all. 14:25 thd We do not know about excessive spam prevention measures in email. Sometimes, the telephone is useful when other means are insufficient. 14:26 ashimema regarding hybrid approach.. I think we as a community should be able to support that even if the organising group cannot.. there are some fairly big companies here who I'm sure could contribute technologies required if needed. 14:26 cait it's a good thought 14:26 ashimema X sponsored the videoconferencing this year.. for example.. so I don't think it should be seen as a blocker 14:27 cait #info Discussion: hybrid/recording - optional or required? 14:27 ashimema we should perhaps make that clear.. if you're offering to organise the conference you don't have to do it entirely in a vacuum.. ask for help 😉 14:27 cait #idea would it be possible that companies help providing technical equipment/help for streaming if required? 14:27 fridolin hi sorry late 14:27 cait thx for being here so early actually :) 14:28 cait 4am? 14:28 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France 14:28 fridolin indeed ^^ 14:28 cait i think we had a requirement to sent a representative to IRC meetings 14:28 cait what channel/who shoudl they communicate to? 14:28 cait especially if we vote to have less general meetings 14:28 cait we don't have a council or anything you could address 14:28 marcelr yeah that would be expected 14:29 cait and I am still lookign for someone to put up bidding page :) 14:29 cait i can try to put up a draft... and then ask for feedback on IRC? 14:30 marcelr cait++ 14:30 cait #action cait to put up a bidding for KohaCon22 draft page 14:30 caroline_crazycatlady Ican copy the 2021 page if no one else can 14:30 thd If we vote to have fewer general meetings some issues may need to be raised in a developer's meeting even if that is to schedule a general meeting or kohacon meeting etc. 14:30 * cait immedately hands over to caroline_crazycatlady 14:30 caroline_crazycatlady lol 14:30 cait #action cait hands over to caroline_crazycatlady, but offers proof reading/help 14:30 cait moving on? 14:30 caroline_crazycatlady I'll do it right away, otherwise i'll forget 14:30 tuxayo > the chosen dates are such a clash with holidays 14:30 tuxayo Yes, with christian related countries. We could ask the proposal to avoid (even when changing afterwards) these dates + Chinese new year and the most relevant ones for Islam related countries. (Ramadan ?) 14:31 cait #action ALL suggestions for changes to KohaCon process page until next meeting 14:31 tuxayo ok 14:31 cait #topic Actions from last meeting 14:31 cait #info There were no actions (that will change) 14:32 cait #topic Vote about rescheduled General IRC meetings 14:32 ashimema 🙂 14:32 cait I am not too happy about 2 per year, but could do with less 14:32 tuxayo which is the KohaCon process page ? 14:32 cait would be quarterly or bi-monthly be an idea? 14:32 cait i linked earlier, sec 14:32 marcelr when will they be ? 14:32 ashimema I was coming around to once a quarter 14:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #320: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/320/ 14:32 ashimema 4 per year 14:32 tuxayo #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Processes_for_KohaCons 14:32 ashimema with the option of adding ad-hoc ones as required 14:33 ashimema I think 12 per year is just too many and means none are well attended 14:33 marcelr timezones.. 14:33 cait i thnk with kohacon in mind 4 is minimum 14:33 cait also... elections 14:33 cait one month before release and 3 months in between? 14:33 kidclamp if 4 per year, should we return to 2 time per meeting? so all times zones can attend? 14:34 fridolin good idea 14:34 marcelr +1 14:34 tuxayo 2 time per meeting? 14:34 oleonard Alternating when the meeting is 14:34 tuxayo twice the same day at different hours? 14:34 tuxayo oh ok 14:34 marcelr no 14:35 oleonard No, two meetings in the day? 14:35 cait #startvote How many general meeetings should we hold annually? (12, 4, 2) 14:35 huginn` Begin voting on: How many general meeetings should we hold annually? Valid vote options are , 12, 4, 2, . 14:35 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 14:35 * ashimema asks the question.. what are we discussing at these meetings 14:35 cait i think 2 in a day are not really great for elections 14:35 marcelr the number of meetings lol 14:35 Joubu discuss the date and time of the next meeting 14:35 cait only for info 14:35 ashimema perhaps we should stick to monthly but only hold them if there's a minimum number of agenda items to cover? 14:35 tuxayo KohaCon, Election, the number of meeting 14:35 thd I am concerned that we are excluding people but the second meeting times became so little attended that they may not have been thought worthwhile by attendees. 14:36 oleonard #vote 4 14:36 thd #vote 4 14:36 Joubu #vote 2 14:36 cait #vote 4 14:36 ashimema #vote 4 14:36 fridolin #vote 4 14:36 marcelr #vote 4 14:36 tuxayo #vote abstain 14:36 huginn` tuxayo: abstain is not a valid option. Valid options are , 12, 4, 2, . 14:36 tuxayo I know! 14:36 cait oh sorry 14:36 cait i forgot abstain 14:37 kellym #vote 4 14:37 tuxayo no worries :P 14:37 kidclamp #vote 4 14:37 cait i'll give you another moment 14:37 tcohen #vote 4 14:37 nugged #vote 4 14:38 cait closing vote.... 14:38 tuxayo It's just that I don't know what to pick so I leave it to you folks 14:38 cait #endvote 14:38 huginn` Voted on "How many general meeetings should we hold annually?" Results are 14:38 huginn` 2 (1): Joubu 14:38 huginn` 4 (10): cait, oleonard, ashimema, marcelr, kidclamp, fridolin, tcohen, nugged, thd, kellym 14:38 cait #agreed General IRC meetings to be held quarterly / 4 times a year 14:38 cait ok, next is when 14:38 cait is one month before release early enough for team vote? 14:38 cait that would be 14:38 marcelr and the time zones 14:39 cait April, July, Oktober, Janury 14:40 cait i think if we mainly hold elections and use it for community decisons twice a day won't work well 14:40 cait better to maybe rotate times... and less often gives it maybe more importance 14:40 tuxayo yes ^^" 14:40 cait ok with months? 14:40 oleonard April, July, October, & January sounds good to me. 14:40 marcelr yes 14:40 fridolin +1 14:40 thd Joubu: If two of four meetings are considered non-critical and very poorly attended, we may yet have two meetings per year. 14:41 cait #agreed General meetings will be held April, July, Oktober, January 14:41 cait we are getting closer 14:41 cait first Wednesday each month? 14:41 marcelr great 14:41 cait or is that bad for january? 14:41 cait then maybe second wednesday 14:42 marcelr greater 14:42 thd I prefer something other than the first Wednesday. 14:42 fridolin second is better 14:42 cait #agreed Date is the second Wednesday of a month 14:42 thd ... something other than the first Wednesday in genral. 14:42 cait closing in 14:42 cait times 14:43 cait i think this is too big 14:43 cait can we decide on the time for hte next meeting in Janaury? 14:43 cait and then move on from there? 14:43 ashimema sounds good to me 14:43 marcelr rotate 8 or 12 hours ? 14:43 cait we could make it a first topic 14:43 thd cait++ 14:43 cait and ask people to supply their suggestions beforehand 14:43 cait i'll set a reminder 14:44 cait #action cait to set a reminder about sending a reminder emai for next general IRC and adding drafts for things 14:44 cait what was today? 14:44 cait as a starting point? 14:44 cait 14:00 UTC ok? 14:44 cait will be an hour earlier then I think here... daylight savings 14:44 ashimema yup 14:45 cait #agreed The January meeting will be held on 14 UTC, later meeting times to be decided 14:45 cait great 14:45 cait moving on? :) 14:45 fridolin yup 14:45 cait #topic Elections / Roles for 22.05 14:46 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_22.05 Roles for 22.05 14:46 cait ok, first thing: I'd like to vote for the whole "list" togehter, but not if there is a veto 14:46 marcelr we miss packgaging and translation ? 14:46 cait and if there are any questions about candidates, we should deal with that now 14:46 cait yes, missing roles we also need to discuss 14:46 caroline_crazycatlady #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon22_Proposals 14:47 Joubu dev install in English! 14:47 marcelr caroline_crazycatlady++ 14:47 ashimema is Wainui really going to continue supporting 19.11? 14:47 cait yes 14:47 tuxayo oops, there is a hole in the RMaint proposals. I would say Wainui can still RMaint 20.05.x and have an in-house 19.11.x if catalyst needs it. But I forgot to ask. 14:47 cait See rangi's mail from yesterday 14:47 Joubu yes, it's on the list 14:47 cait i don't think they offer for themselves 14:47 tuxayo ok, I'll see 14:48 cait it' sgoing to be our first LTS possibly 14:48 Joubu we won't call it LTS until we have a more global discussion, but yes, that would be a plan 14:48 cait so maybe having the 'hole' is ok ? 14:48 Joubu ofc 14:48 * ashimema sees no email from chris 14:48 Joubu koha-devel 14:48 Joubu security improvements topic 14:49 cait heh 14:49 tuxayo > so maybe having the 'hole' is ok ? 14:49 tuxayo Right, actually that doesn't block anything technically, does it? 14:49 cait she knows the version, has everything set up, they offer to continue - makes sense for me 14:49 fridolin i think we should avoid working on 20.05, we can have a gap 14:49 cait ok, but then we shoudl remove it and have a discussion about LTS next dev? 14:49 oleonard https://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org/msg12593.html 14:49 tuxayo It kinda forbids 19.11.x => 20.05.x upgrade but hopefully it's not needed 14:49 cait or ... mailingl ist of course 14:50 cait it shoudl not 14:50 cait our database updates are idempotent for a while 14:50 cait or shoudl be 14:50 Joubu first ML, this email should get more attention, also about the other questions/suggestions 14:50 cait so that shoudl not hurt updates 14:51 cait #info Please check the discussion on a LTS version of Koha in the security improvements thread on koha-devel 14:51 tuxayo > our database updates are idempotent for a while 14:51 tuxayo if 19.11.x get a DB change next cycle, then it would work if and instance move to 20.05.x afterwards 14:51 tuxayo But we could say that's ok 14:51 tuxayo 20.05.x is dropped, that's all 14:51 cait hm we might want to discourage jumping to 20.05.. yeah 14:52 cait but i don't think a database change is likely for now - we will see 14:52 * ashimema thinks if we're going LTS we should reduce the number of other stables we support 14:52 fridolin sure, Ubuntu for example you must jump from old LTS to new LTS 14:52 cait maybe step by step? 14:52 ashimema more QA people, less maintainers 14:52 fridolin you cant go to an instable between 14:52 cait can we postpone LTS discussion to dev meeting? 14:52 marcelr yes 14:53 cait #action tuxayo to add LTS to next dev meetings agenda 14:53 fridolin sure 14:53 tuxayo ok 14:53 cait so, any other questions for roles/volunteers? 14:53 oleonard Can we continue with a team vote even though there are gaps? I don't think there would be any contention about volunteers after a vote. 14:53 cait sorry, can you rephrase? 14:53 thd Can we draft anyone now quickly for empty roles? 14:54 cait contention? 14:54 tcohen I added myself to CI 14:54 marcelr tcohen++ 14:54 cait The big gaps are tranlation manager 14:54 cait packaging team 14:54 cait irc meeting 14:54 tuxayo same confusion for me ^^ «contention about volunteers» 14:54 cait but the first 2 are crucial 14:54 cait i think having a vote and then appointing them more iformally maybe? 14:54 marcelr does bernardo stop? 14:54 cait or agree to meet again in a week 14:55 cait i haven' theard about him stopping, he might just have missed the wiki page 14:55 ashimema 'contention' - meaning 'nobody would be upset at people volunteering later.. we'd all likely vote them in' 14:55 tcohen he's typing his answer on WhatsApp 14:55 cait tcohen: do you know? call him? heh 14:55 Joubu Bernardo is always late for the role 14:55 ashimema yup 14:55 tcohen he's in 14:55 ashimema would be nice to have some new blood in translations 14:55 marcelr solved 14:55 ashimema but bernardo keeps it ticking along 14:55 oleonard Is Liz Rea currently website maintainer? 14:55 cait she is running the website 14:55 cait her infrastructure i think 14:55 Joubu mtj will certainly continue as packager manager 14:56 cait i've been making some updates on content 14:56 cait like listings for the support providers 14:56 Joubu otherwise he would have told us I think 14:56 tuxayo ashimema: thanks for clarification. yes, no risk of contention I think. 14:56 cait ... and doing permission updates for translators 14:56 ashimema we have had new volunteers for website work before.. but they never managed to actually take over 14:56 * cait needs less hats 14:56 * ashimema needs less hats too 14:56 marcelr winter comes 14:56 ashimema I've also helped with website over the years and have access.. 14:57 fridolin we need more heads 14:57 oleonard I can help maintain the web site if folks can get me set up. 14:57 cait not more hats, more heads! 14:57 jzairo I’d be happy to help fill the role for IRC meeting facilitator 14:57 cait #info Koha needs more heads for districuting hats 14:57 ashimema how aobut 'website mainters' 14:57 tcohen I provided a big server for running community things 14:57 ashimema share the load and help Liz 14:57 cait jzairo++ 14:57 cait quck, sign her up! 14:57 tcohen that is only running the API docs right now 14:57 ashimema oh nice one 🙂 14:57 caroline_crazycatlady jzairo++ 14:58 tcohen it has 15.5GB of spare RAM 14:58 ashimema you'll do a much better job than i did jzairo 🙂 14:58 cait the issue with website is it also runs the manuals 14:58 ashimema we can shift the manuals easily enough 14:58 cait jzairo: can you add yourself to wiki or do you want us to do it? 14:58 jzairo I can update the wiki now! 14:58 cait thx! 14:58 tcohen I volunteer to help with CI/CD of the manuals on this new server 14:58 cait ok, i see we also got a translation manager 14:58 cait that leaves packaging as the next urgent? 14:59 Joubu thx jzairo! 14:59 * tcohen thinks we should volunteer eythian 14:59 cait heh 14:59 Joubu put mtj 14:59 Joubu I am sure he forgot 14:59 marcelr mtj++ 14:59 ashimema agreed 14:59 * cait is very happy to see that QA has heads! 15:00 cait Joubu: will you? ;) 15:00 Joubu if we are not all editing the page at the same time 15:00 cait i'll prepare the vote statement 15:00 oleonard And afterwards we will tell him he forgot that he put himself down for the job 15:00 cait that's the plan :) 15:01 Joubu added 15:01 fridolin "it's a trap" 15:01 cait jzairo: to get you started later: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Chairing_meetings 15:01 Joubu Who's Jake? 15:01 cait which jake? 15:01 Joubu Wiki team member 15:01 oleonard There are Two Jakes? 15:01 ashimema two? 15:01 wahanui two are relatively straight forward ,and I've talked about them before in other forums (only 10 min each) 15:02 Joubu Aude as well? 15:02 ashimema Jake is one of ours 15:02 tcohen bernardo complained we collisioned 15:02 ashimema as is Aude 15:02 ashimema Aude is going to shadow Lucy on docs.. pick up how it works and start contributing (and intends to help write a advent post about it) 15:02 caroline_crazycatlady Aude sounds like a french name 15:02 ashimema it is 😉 15:03 ashimema I meant to introduce them but it was a bit of a rush this morning 😉 15:03 fridolin oui c'est le cas 15:03 caroline_crazycatlady i thought she was with biblibre :) 15:03 Joubu PTFS-e in force 15:03 ashimema Jake has lots of Wiki experience so wants to lend a hand there under my guidance 😉 15:03 * ashimema isn't a bully.. honest 15:03 caroline_crazycatlady lots of new names in PTFS-E 15:03 marcelr if you say so 15:03 ashimema that's two out of the three new hires 😉 15:04 caroline_crazycatlady good for you! :D 15:04 tuxayo congrats, send welcome to all 3! :D 15:04 ashimema we lost 3 this year too though 😉 15:04 oleonard ashimema should share his whip-cracking skills at the next in-person gathering 15:04 * ashimema hopes to bring at least two to hackfest 15:05 cait i'd be ready to start the vote 15:05 cait is the wiki page ready? 15:05 marcelr [off] afk 15:05 oleonard ashimema: two whips?? 15:05 jzairo thanks you 15:05 cait #startvote Do you agree with the Release Team for 22.05 as stated on the wiki? (yes, no, abstain) 15:05 huginn` Begin voting on: Do you agree with the Release Team for 22.05 as stated on the wiki? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 15:05 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 15:06 cait just vote so we get this done with please ;) 15:06 oleonard #vote yes 15:06 kidclamp #vote yes 15:06 cait #vote yes 15:06 tcohen #vote yes 15:06 fridolin #vote yes 15:06 caroline_crazycatlady #vote yes 15:06 ashimema #vote yes 15:06 Joubu we should add marcelr somewhere 15:06 nugged #vote yes 15:06 tuxayo #vote yes 15:06 kellym #vote yes 15:06 Joubu #vote yes 15:06 thd #vote yes 15:06 cait Joubu: he is QA 15:06 ashimema [off] ballet run, brb 15:06 Joubu not enough : 15:06 Joubu :) 15:07 petrova #vote yes 15:07 tcohen I added our Rocio to the Doc team, be gentle with the newbie please 15:07 cait giving it a litttle bit more time 15:07 caroline_crazycatlady another new person! :D 15:08 * cait loves new persons 15:08 PerplexedTheta Just picked this one up - I'm Jake (Hi!) 15:08 cait nice to meet you! 15:08 oleonard Two Rocios? 15:08 cait only one i thin 15:08 cait k 15:08 caroline_crazycatlady Hi Jake! 15:08 fridolin hi Jake 15:08 tuxayo PerplexedTheta welcome! ^^ 15:08 caroline_crazycatlady There is one Rocio at bywater I think 15:08 caroline_crazycatlady that makes two ;) 15:09 cait ok 15:09 cait you are drifting off 15:09 cait #endvote 15:09 huginn` Voted on "Do you agree with the Release Team for 22.05 as stated on the wiki?" Results are 15:09 huginn` yes (13): Joubu, cait, oleonard, ashimema, tuxayo, kidclamp, fridolin, tcohen, caroline_crazycatlady, nugged, petrova, thd, kellym 15:09 Joubu RocÃo and Rocio 15:09 cait we got a release team! 15:09 cait confetti! 15:09 wahanui o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 15:09 oleonard *whew* 15:09 tuxayo !confetti 15:09 * fridolin clap clap 15:09 tuxayo 🎉 15:09 cait #agreed The release team as stated on the wiki at this time was elected. 15:09 Joubu good luck fridolin! 15:09 fridolin Thanks a lot 15:09 cait you'll need it! ;) 15:10 cait i like the time plan, it was a little worry 15:10 cait hope that works out for you 15:10 fridolin big step for me 15:10 tuxayo the time plan? 15:10 cait i'll have to figure out when that is here actually 15:10 Joubu I'll let you schedule a meeting for the handover 15:10 oleonard fridolin: I hope Joubu's iron fist fits you. 15:10 cait tuxayo: in frido's proposal 15:10 tuxayo ok! 15:10 fridolin ^^ 15:10 cait Joubu: can you help me with the next meeting bit? 15:10 cait I always get that wrong 15:10 cait January 12 14 utc 15:10 Joubu #info Next meeting: X November 2021, 14 UTC 15:10 Joubu ha 15:11 Joubu general 15:11 Joubu #info Next meeting: 12 January 2022, 14 UTC 15:11 cait #info Next General meeting: 12 January 2022, 14 UTC 15:11 Joubu no 15:11 Joubu next meet 15:11 cait what did i do? 15:11 cait oh 15:11 Joubu #info Next meeting: 12 January 2022, 14 UTC 15:11 cait #info Next meeting: 12 January 2022, 14 UTC 15:11 cait you said general! :) 15:11 Joubu :) 15:11 nugged fridolin: looking forward to chat more one day too – you'd have our assistance from Finland :) 🤠15:11 cait almost in time 15:12 cait good meeting everyone! 15:12 fridolin nugged: thanks you are great 15:12 cait cya in January! ;) 15:12 cait #endmeeting 15:12 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Oct 20 15:12:20 2021 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 15:12 huginn` Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_20_october_2021.2021-10-20-14.00.html 15:12 huginn` Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_20_october_2021.2021-10-20-14.00.txt 15:12 huginn` Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_20_october_2021.2021-10-20-14.00.log.html 15:12 oleonard Thank you very much for chairing cait 15:12 oleonard cait++ 15:12 fridolin cait++ 15:12 Joubu cait++ 15:12 caroline_crazycatlady cait++ 15:12 tuxayo Thanks all, cait++ 15:12 caroline_crazycatlady all++ 15:12 cait it felt... familiar... good old times heh :) 15:12 thd cait++ 15:12 tuxayo Thanks a lot to those who reached people last minute to fill the wiki page 15:12 nugged 🤗 15:13 Joubu fridolin: I'll let you schedule a meeting for the handover 15:13 cait yep, good effort 15:13 tuxayo fridolin++ 15:13 fridolin Joubu: oki thanks 15:14 * fridolin 👑 15:14 fridolin i'm very proud to where it 15:14 fridolin long live the community 15:15 tuxayo ^o^ 15:15 oleonard I have a question about Mana before everyone disappears... You can search Mana for a subscription, but it looks like you can't do anything from there? 15:16 ashimema Nice one 15:16 ashimema cait++ 15:16 fridolin see you 15:17 ashimema community++ 15:18 oleonard Oh no everyone disappeared 15:18 tuxayo indeed ^^" 15:23 tcohen cait++ 15:23 tcohen Joubu++ 15:23 tcohen fridolin++ 15:24 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest build #702: UNSTABLE in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest/702/ 15:27 reiveune bye 15:29 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #205: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/205/ 18:00 fridolin hi there 18:00 wahanui what's up, fridolin 18:54 tuxayo lol we will have oldoldoldoldstable next cycle. 20:12 cait hm someone still here and could try something on master? 20:12 cait turn on local covers and upload one from images tab in staff detail gives me a 500 20:14 cait Joubu: still around? 20:22 cait i think this is related to my devbox not being aware of CGI::Session::Serialize::yamlxs... or it not being there 20:37 cait ok, my PERL5LIB in koha-httpd.conf was missing the lib directory... not sure if that's because of kohadevbox or because something is missing for new installs? 21:27 tuxayo > turn on local covers and upload one from images tab in staff detail gives me a 500 21:27 tuxayo I'll try 21:40 tcohen tuxayo: eyes on bug 29275 and friends are welcome. it is hurting sites with thousands of checkouts on bibs 21:40 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29275 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , issuehistory.pl is very slow when there are many historical issues 21:42 tuxayo tcohen: ok :) I'm postponing my hold rules checker for next cycle, I can't get a club hold test finished quick enough. I hope Selenium 4 will help. 21:42 tuxayo So I'll go back to testing other's bugs. It's more fun ^^ 21:43 tcohen let me know if I can help you as well 21:43 tcohen tomorrow, now clocking out 21:43 tcohen bye all! 21:43 tuxayo bye! 22:50 tuxayo @later tell cait works for me 22:50 huginn` tuxayo: The operation succeeded. 22:50 tuxayo oops read to fast the next message, you actually solved it 22:55 tuxayo well, in the record detail page I see the image and below it I see the loading spinner still there. Forever. 23:30 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 23:30 wahanui Congratulations! 23:30 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest build #703: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest/703/ 23:32 tuxayo mtj around? Are you ok to continue packaging for next cycle?